bono episodo 5: colledge

Shoutout to the dude in my education law class who was a big Title XI guy, in that he thought universities were overreaching with Title XI and punishing men who were merely accused of sexual assault without due process.

Ryan Wexler

Shout outs to attending (that’s the key word) an HBCU founded by black civil war vets

Louie-Jr

prolly my favourite epi top form

Tristan Ryan

Roz was educated while surrounded by trains. Explains a lot :)

heffa

So glad I left Uni for trains, they don't even like trains there, fucking losers

Booti_Boi69

Me, a Rutgers College graduate, maybe my weird Dutch Calvinist founders, named after a "bachelor colonel", and a weird statue of William of Orange college isn't so bad? Wait, nevermind.

Man, I Got Nothing

What do y’all think about Swarthmore College?

is that really a solution though? Isn't that kind of a variation on the "you hate capitalism and yet you buy things, curious" type of argument? An large-scale organized boycott (or other protest action) by fans could potentially be effective, but idk if just individually opting out is particularly useful.

ah man I knew you would wind up bringing up the University of Montana, fully agree with you, and it still hit hard. Hopefully it'll fix its shit soon. Hopefully.

Henry Curtis

Liam keeps yelling about all of this shit but still loves colleges. Fucked up.

Big Lib

What I don't get is everyone hates the NCAA but no one wants to stop watching college sports and tying their identity to a school. Everything these guys are complaining about are in all reality fine with everyone.

Big Lib

Holy crap. I feel like this was my friends and I talking about Uni. I spent a decade working for one and honestly some of the worst experiences in my life are from that period of time. Several of my superiors were "resigned" (because no one gets fired) for super shady reasons and it all was glossed over, one was assault and stalking, another was creating a hostile work environment, etc. I was told to bury title IX reports. It was insane. In Michigan public colleges and universities are constitutional entities and therefor are above state and local law. They literally can choose not to follow laws because they don't have to.

Iirc from myown college education, for a long time people who went to college rarely finished a degree. It was more like an online school where you just get the farming classes you need and then move on.

Doug Cartel

How depressing. I stood with protestors in the street last year right before Hahnemann was shut for good. All of this reminds me of my one year of unsuccessful education at Notre Dame in 1992. What a waste of time and money: I lived downstairs from the heir to the Rohr fortune (the guys dad was about to become president of PNC Bank). After 9 months rubbing elbows with princes, religious nuts and NFL goons, I flunked out and never went back. Probably the best thing that ever happened to me even though it started my life of indenture to capitalism. As always, great job to all 3 of you.

I love how Roz pronounces Eagles. "Iggels". It took me a few seconds to figure out what he was saying. <3

hello Roz i think i'm the only good uva grad

Michael Furey

Regular episode about Love Canal, please senpais

Wiktor Waszak

Please make a 'trains good, cars bad' tshirt or sticker or cup or something!

S Chattey

If you're on Android, using NewPipe might be a great solution!

Simpin' for Syndicalism

Love these long ones, would really love audio versions so I can listen while doing other things because trying to keep YouTube open on the phone in my pocket just fucks everything up.

Luke McKinney

"Marathon runners don't exist." What a missed opportunity: the real race traitors, under the heel of Big Shoe.

Danika Hicks

Oh man, I can't wait until WTYPPOD gets big enough to start growing cops.

Cameron Sours

not sure Universities benefit from being in the middle of major cities, maybe floating prison/college ships?

Would you folks consider creating a podcast RSS feed for patrons, which includes the bonus eps?

Holy Shit how do we make "Supply Side Marxism" a thing?

Diego Corazón

Is there a vid this week?

The Wolf Medic

At WWU we had a program where students could volunteer to escort other students around campus after dark, ostensibly to help female students feel safe, which was run by the campus police. My friend did it and one of the cops running it was constantly hitting on the female volunteers, making harassing comments, and saying demeaning shit abt women in front of her. She ended up leaving because of it, and mentioned the issue to the campus police chief. A couple months later the guy got promoted. That doesn't even touch on all the racist shit they did while I was there, they were an honest to God threat to student safety.

AFAIK UMass AMherst (Mass Aggie) didn't genocide anyone for the swamp its on, our namesake Lord Jeffery however... And i've been out of college a long time now, but I did Big State school for undergrad, Ivy for a Masters, and tiny private for PhD and I swear to god the size of the administration increased exponentially with each. The very small Liberal Arts school I work at now mush have a 2:1 student to administrator ratio I swear

I grew up within about 5 miles of Cheney University, but knew zero people who chose to go there because it’s surrounded by the whitest of white Chesco suburbia. I looked into it, but at the time it was struggling with accreditation (probably due to the financial neglect), so I didn’t apply there.

I believe that my school went from having about 4 vice presidents in the mid 2000's, to 1, occasionally 2 for each department. 14x the efficiency.

Prezi Bezara

2:16:11 "Software engineering isn't real", "you're just a computer toucher". Please allow a humble, if arrogant, programmer to vent his frustration. Yes, software engineering isn't real, at least in practice. We don't learn from the past, we don't read literature, we follow industry fads like The New Fancy Web Development Framework Of The Week™, we design and standardise overcomplicated systems (e.g., just off the top of my head: C++, PDF, UEFI and the web, oh my god I hate the web), we prioritise speed of development over quality and, most importantly, we don't design software, we just hack it together and hope it won't break. (Narrator: it did.) And what is taught in universities as "software engineering", and how it's taught, is influenced by the industry way too much. Here's a nice little write-up: https://www.stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks And, of course, capitalism does what capitalism does. Ever wonder why all e-mail servers and clients can talk to each other, but there's no standard chat protocol? Internet e-mail was standardised in 1982, the first chat program (besides IRC, which was different) appeared in 1996. Internet went commercial in 1993. So yeah, that's why your phone takes a minute to load a broken web page while your "smart" lightbulb is participating in DDoS attacks on behalf of russian hackers. But software engineering absolutaly can be real, or at least that's what an article I read about NASA's software development for spacecraft led me to believe. These people had a clear plan and a realistic timeline, designed software before they wrote it, worked in an orderly manner and delivered it on time and (gasp!) working to spec. Now, regarding being a computer toucher, who isn't these days? N.B. Also, we programmers are class traitors for the most part. 2:30:47 "do not do the odd couple thing when you comically tape a line down the centre of your appartment to indicate ownership" Tell it to Baarle-Hertog and Baarle-Nassau. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baarle-Nassau#List_of_enclaves - boundary of N1 and H1 runs through one building - boundary of N3 and H1 bisects the loading dock of a liquor store - boundary of N4 and H1 runs through a warehouse - boundary of N5 and H1 runs through a furniture showroom, a shed and a barn Country borders, everyone.

As a tech worker, I'd love to see an episode on either the U.S. Patent System (for the dumb bullshit that it inevitably creates, like patent trolls and the fiasco around Eolas) or C++ (which... while not deliberately made to be sloppy, seemed to be made just to raise the salaries of a few tech workers).

Cooper Wickum

socialist republic of sweden here; i am convinced law school is designed to make you consider killing yourself. starts with a month of hazing, being constantly told that only the top 2 % of students will make it followed by 4 years of finding vital pages missing from literature bc of vandalism, and all testing being 6 hour hall exams taken at the end of the term, accounting for 100 % of your grade. this goes on until final term when you write your master's thesis and everything turns into being a philosophy major.

lal

wasting money on our dumbass buffalo shaped swimming pool that only gets used like 3 weeks in an academic year

Also the University of Colorado and our shitty board of regents are still up to their ratfuckery

a real piece of shit

Oh hey, I took high school calculus with that shit stain of a person Brock Turner

Thanks for your work. Great episode.

MGMcDB

At least where I am, the mathematicians and physicists are actually the cool STEMlords - met tonnes of lefties (and misguided shitlibs - not so good). Engineering (especially CS/EE) on the other hand, ugh. It's almost a meme that the engineering group chat is full of electrical and computer incels bemoaning the inability to get it in

basking in the failson

why is nobody talking about the fact that Justin is actually Fred Willard?

Kurtis

As an employee of the University of Warwick, I once meet the man responsible for the care and wheeling of Jeremy Bentham's Skeleton. Kind of just seems like a normal alright dude, Who just wants to return the Postic notes he borrowed.

I'm on the tried-to-kill-myself-at-uni train. Second year of my first degree was a shitshow. Thankfully, the uni I went to actually had accessible mental health support from trained psychologists and I have a great partner. Since then, in my second degree my anxiety kicked my ass again (though the acute depression was gone) and I started having panic attacks, again in second year. Further mental health support to the rescue, made it through. The primary difference between these, aside from maturity, was in the first case I had come straight out of highschool where I hadn't had to do any work. I got by just fine in first year with some limited amount of work, but fell over in the second year because it got hard and I wasn't getting the marks I had come to expect. That's what caused my depression, a mis-match between the image I had of my own capacity and what I was producing because as it turns out, when you construct your idea of 'intelligence' on the basis of what someone does when they aren't trying you're gonna get fucked up if suddenly something takes effort. The anxiety attacks in my second degree are because I went from a BA to a BMath, and maths has a shitload more assignments and exams than the BA ever did. This kind of assessment sucks for me and my mental health was fucking awful right up until I wasn't doing that any more. Turns out if what I'm working on is a thesis, or like one, I'm just fine. Makes me so fucking angry because I've known people who dropped out of uni or had so much of a harder time precisely because assessments like exams are just the worst for them.

UltraCoil

this gave me enough time to come down off the righteous fury and into just drinking while listening to it

Fish Richardson

Everything I wanted and more

That building is far too close to the buildings I have lectures in. Thanks for giving me a new fear.

LaSalle slander stops here explorer's rise up claim your spot at the top of the big 5 you have nothing to lose but your bad yellow merch

Atahualpa's Revenge

Decided to listen to this while picnicking on Drexels campus. Actually one of the few areas right now with open lawn.

Ian

(My only other experience of university police is when I was suicidal during my year at Harvard and a nurse got an HUPD officer to drive me to the health centre.)

A few points: (1) In her digression about Puritan hortatory names, Alice is thinking of Unless-Jesus-Christ-Had-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned Barebone (known as Praise-God Barebone). I also love how accurately Terry Pratchett parodied hortatory names in Discworld. (2) Oxford used to have its own cops until the mid-2000s. They wear bowler hats and are now called Proctors' Officers. When I was doing my final exams at the Exam Schools there was a very elderly lady in a bowler hat standing outside, marshalling people. I believe Cambridge still does have its own cops. There are also a few other obscure, weird police forces in the UK, like the York Minster Police (private police force of a cathedral) and the Mersey Tunnels Police (bizarre police force which literally just polices some road tunnels).

This episode reminds me of when my old uni Victoria University in New Zealand spent like millions of dollars to try to rename themselves to get more of that international student money. No one wanted it and the government even said "no guys" and they are still trying to sneak it in.

Larrykins

as some one going to the University of Alabama in Huntsville, founded by Von Braun, a nazi, I can at least take comfort the school doesnt have that much real estate fraud. The civil engineering and architecture is lack luster though, as they flooded a brand new building with bad surveying and the parking deck forgot to factor cars into calculations and is therefor 3 stories tall instead of 5

just some jal

Hey folks, this is a real late (I don't have a YT account) holdover from the APT episode, but I found the dubstep that is used in the 'ADVANCED BR TRAIN' movie - the song is a KPM 1000 piece called 'Inter City (2)' by James Clarke and can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPxASQqh8qM. Loving the bonus content btw, I hope you go into how deficient engineering education is in generating well-rounded members (heh) of society. (engineering student here surrounded by chuds, send help)

basking in the failson

As an australian going to a kinda obscure university, American universities are just baffling?? Ah well, good podcast! Thanks! EDIT: OK I finished and this covers some very big issues that Australian Unis definitely also have, and I don't want this to sound like the usual condescending non-american commentary. It's more I've never encountered frats/sororities (Etc) or the sport university industry and it's bizarre for me!

It never occurred to be me get stressed out and have a mental break down at Uni, so i just drunk heavily and handed in all my assessments a month late and left with a Ps make degrees 3 year ba in history after 5 years. I was kinda beat up about being a ADHD Space Cadet Failchild. But you know what I’m a postie now and even if they do dumbshit and make a bunch of folks redundant there are fucking 1000’s of guys who have been posties since 1980 who are thirsty for that golden handshake, sure I technically owe the Australian government almost a years wages but I don’t actually have to pay them till I earn like 7k a year more. Unlike a bunch of other poor bastards I still have a job. If I had worked hard I would be probably be Casual Tutor who was flat broke for 6 months of the year sending my self insane trying to get a PHD and earning so little I would have to also do a much worse job in the delivery sector. Now my only regret is I didn’t punch more cones before I had kids, Fuck Uni kids Burn them all down salt the ground were they stood.

Maggie+Al

This ep makes me really want an Olympics ep but it might be like a month long

HAHA LIAM HAS A MOOOMMEEEE (plz don't ban me)

Harrison Sanchez

The University of Pittsburgh, while having blessedly few parking lots and using most of its real-estate engine to at least build student housing for the greatly-expanded undergraduate population, has very little physical space on campus for engineering labs. They can do the really basic stuff, like Grady from Practical Engineering does in his garage, but if you want to participate in concrete canoe or SAE, you you need to drive 30 minutes off-campus to this random lab complex they own off of this random, God-forsaken interchange up the Allegheny River. Also, as a Pitt grad, I posit that, except for the one block that includes the Cathedral of Learning, Pitt's campus is way uglier than Carnegie Mellon's.

Mr. Underscore

Nice

Shlomo Baglestein

Ok, so Alice's comment on Glasgow's Virology Institute made me go off on 30-minute google session because I'd never heard of it before, and based on the list of what they're actually working on, and the lack of BSL-4 safety guidelines on their website, I feel fairly confident that the University of Glasgow is BSL-3 only. Of course, in practical terms this just means that a containment breach 'only' means you get a few Rabies infectees raving around campus and dying of encephalitis instead of an Ebola outbreak causing everyone to die from bleeding out of their eyeballs, so, you know, nasty either way. Just not 'potentially wiping out the city' level nasty.

Anonymous Unknown

the synagogue joke was very good

The Social Sciences building is also sandwiched between the Physics and the mathematics building, and are connected by tiny skybridges, so all the stemlords traveling from one building to another have to walk by all these feminist org posters, which is based and cool.

Lauren Cabral

liam "whatever asshole in cambridge..." me, cambridge (uk) student: surprised pikachu face

The LGBT, Black student, and other cultural centers at UW-Madison are all in this building called the Red Gym, which used to be a federal armory, and I think that's badass.

Lauren Cabral

"Car bad, race car good" is a mantra I've lived by for 25 years.

Cooper Wickum

The day you have production quality and competency is the day I unsubscribe, sorry guys, I live for the mess

Robyn F H Veitch

It's only pronounced "coke" for the two brothers that didn't turn out evil. We all need to agree right now that the two anti-philanthropists shall be referred to as the "cock" brothers from here on out, no matter what the as-yet-unsmitten-by-God one insists the proper pronunciation is.

Mr. Underscore

I'm 18, in my first year of University, and this is EXACTLY the reason I refused to even think of applying to any institutions in the United States. I know it will make Liam angry, but I came to the Netherlands (with all its questionably racist traditions) to study at Leiden University because, at least it isnt run by such major assholes as every institution in the US, and things like sexual assault are actually taken seriously.

August Zeidman

Pennsylvania Secret Services Young Pioneer Brigade.

Hedrigal

College.

WankerPants

YES when i saw this i literally cheered with joy!! and then i said let it be like three hours PLEASE and it was !! your guys long form episodes are the best. i love you guys. please never stop

I listen to them while playing Workers & Resources: soviet republic

I'm not sure another was 3 hours, but the protestantism episode was over 2.

Okay, now I am curious what the other three hour episode is / was that you guys recorded.

Michael Kalus

I usually listen to these while doing chores, yardwork, or like handiwork around the house. Now that this one is like 3 hours, I guess I need to like disassemble and clean my entire washing machine and or garbage disposal.

Are you complaining that you're not getting your money's worth?

Michael Kalus

Wooo second comment, and I cool now?

Jesus, nearly 3 hours?

Sam Fulton