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P-P-PORN!

Evidently it's a hot topic, I've been getting messages that indicate some misunderstandings are being pumped into the readership.


So I thought long and hard about it, and figure it'd be considerate to spread out the full frontal facts, and clarify our position in higher resolution.


Unfortunately the details can be a bit slippery at times, so I may have to remain in vogue.  I mean, vague.  


The basics are already outlined here under 'limitations':  https://www.patreon.com/posts/commission-tiers-17763740


But I think people are curious about our reasons.   Why would we be willing to do NSFW art, but exclude our characters from the mix?


Now, for those who crave porn, there's no mathematical formula I can produce that will give you a satisfactory answer.   


But my gut feeling is, since we're the creators of the series, we shouldn't be producing hard core porn of the characters.    


If JK Rowling starts penning explicit erotic novels featuring Harry Potter and the Staff of Consequences, perhaps I'll reconsider.  But since we're the portal through which our characters become effectively real for readers, I want to retain a shred of respect for that phenomenon.


Plus, it means the demand for DK porn must be filled by other artists (we're totally fine with that, naturally) and that has a nice secondary feature of providing us with free marketing, of a sort.  


I'm not entirely rigid regarding these rules, and naturally things will get blurry around the edges at times.   So for anyone that wants to accuse us of  having elastic standards, call us whatever you like, but you can't hit me hard enough to make porn fly out.  


Although, that'd be something to see, wouldn't it?


If anyone is still confused, or horny, or both, and has further questions, pop 'em into the comments section below and we'll be sure to answer when we come later.


Comments

Wow...I took a long time to respond to this...anyways, fair point. Just wanted to check about that, just to be sure.

A-Fox-Of-Fiction

If we plan to put in on patreon, it'll be a click-able side post, so you know what you're getting to see.

David Lillie

That's understandable.

Rocoro

I respect it

Fel the Worgal

So would you post porn onto the patreon? Or Will you post it else where i have seen a pic of a crocodile guy with a girl who is full having sex with him on e621

Legendaryheroaegis

It’s good to see you respect and love your creation enough to not corrupt it. Hope you keep it pure (or as pure as it is now)

hibo

Thank you, that makes sence! I think that first plan will work just fine. I forgot that patreon could hide NSFW posts.

Jared Lynch

That's understandable. Well, I suppose I'll hold out hope for a reconsideration someday or at the very least a few more exceptions along the way, but it's good to have a clear and definite answer.

Teh Pro Ewe No Wut

The clarification we link to is "No explicit sex acts, and no full frontal nudity." Side boob... Everyone likes side boob. I think I'm going to make a stand and say that's not porn.

David Lillie

Regarding virgin status: For some characters, it actually qualifies as plot vault- not that the story hinges on it or anything, but some info tidbits are in the future. Except Mace is obviously a virgin. I mean, I don't think that comes as a shock to anyone.

David Lillie

Awesome. E ) And no worries- if something upsets me, I'll generally let the person know, because that's better in the long run than making people play guessing games. If I'm silent, it usually means I'm drawing, or thinking. (Or sleeping.) If you guys have a topic you're curious about, doesn't hurt to ask! Half the time it helps me clarify my own thoughts on the subject.

David Lillie

I'm not sure what Khorne is but it sounds delicious.

David Lillie

Sounds good! I like to give people as much latitude as possible- if it's okay with the mods, and the TOS of the platform, then I view it as none of my business to dictate what others can draw and share. If for whatever reason I decide to (try) prohibiting something, I'll be sure to pipe up and let people know. Thanks for the comment, you guys are great. 8 )

David Lillie

What to expect: No hardcore porn of our characters. But we may post suggestive pinup drawings of them, similar to the Vi illustration with bombshells from last year. It's possible that some commissions (of other people's characters or whatnot) will be NSFW- but if that happens, I'll share the commission art in the attachment of a post that is clearly labeled NSFW, so the image won't pop up on anyone's screen unless they choose to click on and download the attachment. Let me know if this sounds like a good approach to you, or we could potentially make the NSFW art available via offsite links, in age-restricted mode on art accounts.

David Lillie

Not in the least! People like porn, good porn is challenging to draw well, kudos to anyone that can pull it off. (har har) There's a lot of things I don't want to necessarily do- draw porn of our cast, be a plumber, farm grain- but I can still respect those who do good work in those fields.

David Lillie

...I tried to load as many puns as possible into the post, I saw no reason to hold back. E )

David Lillie

"No explicit sex acts, and no full frontal nudity" of our cast is the detailed limitation linked to above. Exceptions might crop up- one person asked if I'd depict Indi & Digo stripping, and since that's a thing they do in the story, I'd make an exception for nudity with those characters for that reason. But some folks need a hardcore answer for a hardcore question, so to keep it simple: No DK porn comin' from us. The Harem commission was fun! At the time I knew I didn't want to do a *lot* of DK porn, but thought I'd feel out my boundaries by saying yes to that particular commission idea. It was fun to make, I like how it came out, but it also served as sort of a marker stone for me: Been there, did that, but I don't want to build the future of my series on that ground. Honolulu was fun to visit, but I guess I'm not going to live there. E )

David Lillie

The limitations on porn only apply to characters in our comic series- see the above post, and the link within for elaboration. ^ ^;

David Lillie

so does mean you will not draw porn, even if it is commissioned?

John Doberson

Soooo... is that a "never" on hardcore DK art, then, or a "definitely not anytime in the foreseeable future, but maybe someday" kind of an answer? Another somewhat serious question: <a href="https://u18chan.com/uploads/data/13325/246255_rajak_commission_4_-_harem_overload-nude_u18chan.jpg" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://u18chan.com/uploads/data/13325/246255_rajak_commission_4_-_harem_overload-nude_u18chan.jpg</a> [NSFW 18+] Were your rules on vacation in Honolulu when you drew this ~7 years ago or were they just not created yet?

Teh Pro Ewe No Wut

I stand by Dave and Liz on this one.

Solo-Ion

Was there a pun in that last remark, David? ;)

Benjamin Varner

"Harry Potter and the Staff of Consequences" took me out fam 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Ebon_Sean

I see...hopefully your opinion of comic creators who do make porn of their characters isn't a particularly negative one. Didn't really want to buy NSFW commissions anyways...not from them anyways.

A-Fox-Of-Fiction

He’s going to mostly play it safe with his own characters and not put out a ton,but he might do the occasional treat with the Indigoes. He’s just stating that he doesn’t want that to dominate the main story on his end and keep people from starting to read.

Garrett Simpson

Wait. Just to be clear. Are you saying you aren't drawing porn at all, just not at this time or just not of your characters? I mean, if this is going to become nsfw I need some forewarning to sign out of patreon on my family computer. So is everything going to stay relatively the same?

Jared Lynch

Well, for a while there was a fairly active NSFW community on the dreamkeepers forums....they suddenly disappeared last year in the summer. Some of us artists and writers are still lurking around, so if people are wanting to see things beyond what the authors are comfortable doing their own, that would be the place to ask. And to the creators/authors of DK; Please do keep us deviants in the NSFW forum thread appraised of any rule changes. We like our misbehavings, but we absolutely want to respect your content.

Bowoodstock

Glass half full,we won’t be seeing much more in the way of nipples in your style for a while,but you draw some unbelievably cute bellu buttons for one reason or another! Good to have your priorities of making an awesome story for sure! ...Something tells me we’ll have some messy deaths so hooray for Khorne flavored NSFW at least?

Garrett Simpson

Rule34 anyone ? No ? More for me, huehue

Can't help but wonder if I'm one of the askers that led to this, I was honestly worried I might have upset y'all after asking, but also only 2 days had passed so I told myself to keep waiting. Glad to have a little more light on the situation and an answer we can actually hand out for when people ask and you aren't around. But I think I understand part of this, cause I like drawing my sona in energetic or somewhat sensual drawings but come anything too violent or sexual and I dip out cause it is, in a sense, my brand and baby on the line. Just like how making hard stuff might hurt DK. Also Zeph (ZephyrLyall) on Discord is truly evil so I thought I'd share their idea (with credit). Cause of your response to Volpe, they came up with the idea of you drawing the indigos naked but from an angle/with props in the way where you can't see anything and you laughing maniacally as you cockblock everyone xD

KHVathiel

To me its clear as crystal. and i agree with you. Although in that kind of subject. In cannon, what characters would still be virgins and what ones are not? I think that alone could be interesting information, to be honest.

Lord Kiyo

Hahaha when I first saw this I thought, oh shit are they making porn now ? Am I about to see the cast go at it full on ??? What mixed feelings I have on this !!! But it turned out to be you saying that at the moment your not gonna do porn, what mixed feelings I have on this !!! Hehe, suppose the only question I have is, what do you consider to be porn ? We talking just graphic sex and full frontal nudity or like does shadowy silhouette sex with no nudity or mild nudity, like side boob count as porn to ?

DNMZ

...I don't know but I'd pay to watch it.

David Lillie

Yes- within the story, they do literally strip in front of people, so I think it would make sense to depict them doing so.

David Lillie

Actually, by that criteria I should probably be asking a question in here myself. X D

David Lillie

I mean, would you do at least nudity of the Indigos, considering they're literally strippers? :P

Volpethrope

lol I think half the world is horny and confused . . . Describes me 3/4th of the time anyway =P

Paul Bibb

Hmmm what if we convinced Grunn that you had his porn stash, would the resulting tackle or punt be hard enough for an ensuing erotic explosion?

Unshao

One of my favorite coincidences was logging in to Picarto.tv and seeing you guys stream Vi art while the next channel down was streaming Vi porn.


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