πStar Trek TNG S06E11 Full Length Reaction
Added 2024-12-20 00:26:08 +0000 UTCS06E11 Chain of Command Part 2
This week we find out what happened to Picard and... it's not goodπ₯Ί I wonder if he will ever be the same!? No spoilers of course! Engage! π
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Browsing through the comments here cause I figured atleast ten other people would say it but obviously not... The four lights and the torturing (even the scene with the girl's animal in a cage is a reference but never played out in the scene), is reference to George Orwell's 1984. The idea is to break the will of the victim and make them conform to the will of the state out of fear of pain. In 1984 the protagonist is tortuned into submission and finally admints that 2+2=5
Zork
2025-02-24 23:12:03 +0000 UTCNot sure how I missed this 4 weeks ago, so I am really late to the party. Yeah, this one is hard. Brilliant performances. In my opinion worse than the Borg - the Borg didnt break him - they just assimilated him. And we know it was traumatic, so I dont want to down play that. What the Cardassian did was brutal because it was all about Picard giving in to him, by choice. Just ick.
Damon Corrigan
2025-01-19 15:49:00 +0000 UTCI know this was hard for you to see, it was for all of us, but you've learned something very important. You now know who the Cardassians, especially their military officers, really are
Sarah
2025-01-10 21:50:59 +0000 UTCCaptain Jellico is really cool. I liked his no nonsense pragmatic approach to a situation where he needed to take control and had no time to make friends. I especially liked how gracefully he bowed out at the end. He made no speech, just told everyone it was an honor working with them and walked off the bridge.
Zorak
2025-01-02 14:17:19 +0000 UTCI could tell this was a tough episode for you. One of your "commercial break" was the saddest sounding. Chain of Command II is one of my favorite episodes of S6. David Warner is a fantastic actor. The David Warner/Patrick Stewart scenes are awesome acting. I tend to agree with Riker that Jellico was not a stellar captain.
Clay F
2024-12-23 01:24:12 +0000 UTCBorg is worse because he killed so many people. Even though he was under their control, he will never forgive himself. This was a solid episode and great acting but..... It was really weird they sent Beverly. Sure, he stayed when he heard Bev was captured but in reality, he had to know they would be torturing her too. And it doesn't matter that she was key to a later plot point. She would NEVER have been sent on a covert mission. Same could be said for Piccard. The setup was weak but the acting in Part 2 was great.
TigerMyth
2024-12-22 17:03:48 +0000 UTCIts funny, I almost NEVER think of Ronny Cox as Bogomil. I always think of him first as Dick Jones and next, Cohagen π And then a three way tie between his character from Deliverance, Jellico, and Bogomil.
Julian San
2024-12-22 08:08:20 +0000 UTCThis was always a tough watch, but to me the Borg episodes were harder on Picard. Ronny Cox was excellent to make me despise him so much after enjoying him as the captain in the Beverly Hills Cop franchise, lol
Lee R.
2024-12-22 04:06:25 +0000 UTCExcellent reaction / review. These are two great TNG eps. Solid performances by Warner and Stewart. β₯ In honor of David Warner and to see him in a different chain of command, I recommend Sam Peckinpah's anti-war/drama movie 'Cross of Iron' (1977). From Wiki; Set on the Eastern Front in World War II during the Soviets' Caucasus operations against the German Kuban bridgehead on the Taman Peninsula in late 1943, the film focuses on the class conflict between a newly arrived, aristocratic Prussian officer who covets winning the Iron Cross and a cynical, battle-hardened infantry NCO. Stars James Coburn, James Mason and D.W.
Jason Scade
2024-12-21 01:19:07 +0000 UTCPicard's suffering at the hands of the Cardassians vs his suffering at the hands of the Borg. Interesting. I think the Cardassian one is worse because the Borg have one collective hive mind with no emotion or individual thought. The Cardassians are smug and self-righteous (which they'd probably say about humans).
Zapp Rowsdower
2024-12-20 20:23:37 +0000 UTCWhat a pro! β₯
Jason Scade
2024-12-20 20:03:56 +0000 UTCI am deeply sorry for you and your family's loss.
Jason Scade
2024-12-20 20:03:28 +0000 UTCBetween this and the Borg getting him he should be in a space mental facility by now. I think you'll enjoy the next two episodes a lot. Especially the first one.
Geoff S.
2024-12-20 18:44:48 +0000 UTCMan With Two Brains
Geoff S.
2024-12-20 18:43:18 +0000 UTCOddly, Ronny Cox mainly played good guys until he played Dick Jones in Robocop. It was a shock seeing him as a bad guy because he was type cast the other way. Watch an interview with him - he's nothing like the bad guys he's played. Nice guy, awesome actor. He also plays guitar and put out a bunch of albums.
Bret K
2024-12-20 18:13:41 +0000 UTCJelico isn't a bad guy in this, he took a military mission seriously. He was different than Picard and didn't take any of Riker's insubordination, what exactly did Jelico do that was so bad? I think most of the negative impression comes from knowing the crew for years and this guy comes in and has a different style. He effectively dealt with the Cardassians and also saved Picard.
Bret K
2024-12-20 18:09:56 +0000 UTCIt also goes a long way to establish the Cardassians as formidable enemies.
Joshua M Freeman
2024-12-20 16:50:21 +0000 UTCCome to think of it, the only role I remember Ronny Cox not being a loathsome guy in was Deliverance, which itself isn't exactly a feel-good movie. He was the one jamming with the kid on the banjo.
Zapp Rowsdower
2024-12-20 15:05:53 +0000 UTCI think it's because she's going away for a week to see family for Christmas. She would've had to wait for two weeks to see this.
Zapp Rowsdower
2024-12-20 15:00:21 +0000 UTCJen couldn't wait till the weekend π
Ronald Dumesnil
2024-12-20 14:05:51 +0000 UTCGreat episode with lots of iconic moments. The part I always remember the most is when Picard said he literally saw five lights at the end. It really makes me question how humans interpret reality - how so much of what we see and believe is out of convenience rather than truth.
Noremac
2024-12-20 12:13:55 +0000 UTCThis is a great episode on many levels, but by no means an easy or comfortable watch. It gives some context why Chief O'Brien and Captain Maxwell felt the way they did in the Wounded and shows how top ranking Cardassians behave when they aren't visiting Federation ships and playing the diplomat. It brings their brutality into sharp focus rather than anecdotal reports from those who have fought them in the past. Jellico was set up to be a bit of a Captain Bligh character, but I think he was absolutely the right choice to confront the Cardassians. Riker certainly wasn't, and I found his behaviour and lack of respect appalling in this episode. Loyalty to a previous captain may be admirable, but doesn't justify being arrogant, insubordinate and adversarial to your current commanding officer. As for which experience is worse, he may have been broken in the end by Madred, but he was at least able to fight to retain his sense of self. The Borg immediately removed his autonomy and set him to work destroying 39 ships and killing 11k people while remaining awake and aware. There's feelings of guilt and responsibility tied in as well as mutilation and manipulation. I don't think that can be discounted in the reckoning. Hope you're doing okay, thinking of you and yours. β€οΈ
The Untempered Cynic
2024-12-20 11:46:22 +0000 UTCDavid Warner makes me think of Grand Moff Tarkin from Star Wars. HATED Jelico! I have no idea who Ronny Cox is in real life, but I gotta believe if he's SO GOOD at playing such hateful, unlikable characters in movies and TV shows, he's probably not someone I ever want to meet in real life! Is that unfair? Hell ya it is! But, really, it's not going to happen so allow me my fantasies.
Mastervodo
2024-12-20 11:32:45 +0000 UTCI'm not sure any piece of television entertainment has had a bigger impact on my life than Chain of Command Part 2. This episode, and seeing Patrick Stewart talk about it, made me a life long supporter of Amnesty International.
Opti_Frog
2024-12-20 10:59:30 +0000 UTCso many things
Luetin
2024-12-20 10:27:43 +0000 UTCUm pretty annoying shitty Senator Kinsey
Brett Whittaker
2024-12-20 05:10:52 +0000 UTCoooo best LT imo
MattN
2024-12-20 04:37:28 +0000 UTCCool Lieutenant of Beverly Hills PD tho
SnabbKassa
2024-12-20 04:17:29 +0000 UTCAbsolute master class in acting. Patrick Stewart v David Warner.
Jon Hoover
2024-12-20 04:00:33 +0000 UTCOf course, but he's also in Star Trek V.
Jon Hoover
2024-12-20 03:46:55 +0000 UTCPepperoni heaven! *Zap*
Jon Hoover
2024-12-20 03:39:03 +0000 UTCOk, my thoughts in what you asked, Jen. As far as what Picard went through at the hands of the Borg versus the torture from Gul Madred.... I think both are equally brutal. Both stripped Picard of his rights, autonomy and tried to break his will. In the case of the Borg, they had more direct means to do so; going straight into his mind and taking it over nearly completely. He described it as being fully aware of what they were making him do, but he couldn't do anything about it. This is pure hell for someone that values their autonomy and strength of mind. With Madred, it was a much cruder way to get inside Picard's mind, but still very effective. You got the purpose of the lights at the end: Madred wanted Picard to admit to the absurdity of having five lights before him when there's only four. This is the psychological torture similar to gaslighting, getting someone to believe what is being said to them despite evidence to the contrary. If someone can be made to believe a falsehood despite what common sense tells them, then their mind is conquered.
Over50Gamer
2024-12-20 02:56:50 +0000 UTC"Dick, you're FIRED!!!"
Over50Gamer
2024-12-20 02:44:30 +0000 UTCWorst vice-president of Omni Consumer Products.
Joe Blankenship
2024-12-20 02:26:42 +0000 UTCI always remember him from TMNT 2.
Joe Blankenship
2024-12-20 02:26:03 +0000 UTCRIP David Warner, amazing actor, he joined this story at the last minute and read most of his lines from cue cards with little rehersal.
Luetin
2024-12-20 02:07:57 +0000 UTCLet's not forget that during the very first few episodes of TNG, Stewart's acting respectively the character's behaviour and commanding style was different and far more reserved than it evolved over the years. And looking back, this was not like Jellico's, but certainly not the same like in later seasons.. I fully agree that leadership on a longterm / everyday basis requires so much more than just giving orders, naturally, since I served in the military as well and worked in different fields in which I could experience that first hand. But I still think that Jellico got quite some things done at the end of the day with the means and time at his disposal (and the pressure he was under as well). And who knows.. If he would have to serve for longer on the Enterprise, he could adapt as well in time. But as others pointed out - he's a wartime leader and at times, these uncomfortable, rough, tough and demanding guys are needed. As admiral Hanson in the 'Best of both worlds' - 2-parter pointed out to Picard, Riker needs a kick in the rear (for moving on and take his own command), instead of getting too comfortable and he had a point. Although this would have cost him his life, since the offered USS Melbourne got destroyed at Wolf 359.. I remember watching COC for the first time during the 90ies as a teen. And I didn't like Jellico as well and didn't mind Riker's man-baby, self-rightous behaviour, peaking in his quarters with his stupid grin (well, as it was written for him..). Riker's loyalty to Picard is admirable, but today, I can't help but asking (the other way around).. Who the hell does Riker actually think he is..?? After all, the fact that these episodes cause so many discussions after all these years, speaks for itself. Very well done on many levels. And again, very nuanced and great reaction from Jenππ» Take all the time in the world you need.
Marco Borromeo
2024-12-20 02:03:20 +0000 UTCCapt. Jellico Best Captain of the Enterprise
D Jammers
2024-12-20 02:01:09 +0000 UTCOh absolutely you take all the time you need so sorry to hear that
Brett Whittaker
2024-12-20 02:00:02 +0000 UTCPlease allow me time to grieve before I make decisions about what happens after Christmas. I will post what I am able to, when I am able to. I appreciate everyone's patience so much β‘β‘
Jen M
2024-12-20 01:58:42 +0000 UTCI watched this when it first aired and I really thought they were switching captains, Ronny Cox (Jelico) was an a-list, well known actor big in sci-fi, and I never really kept up with rumors etc so in part 1 it just seemed like maybe they were making a switch. In part 2 breaking all the rules of what we expect from a TV show like this, I figured they were giving Patrick Stewart a chance to go out on a strong acting note. I feared for how it would end, since anything was possible and I didn't know if her was returning.
Paul Hess
2024-12-20 01:52:46 +0000 UTCYou asked us to compare this and the Borg abduction. There is no comparison. This was real and brutal. The Borg was fantastical and abstract. This had two consummate actors in a bare stripped down room acting the hell out of the emotional drama their characters we locked into, with personal stakes and a lifetime of experiences dragged into the moment; the borg had machines with twirly things for hands.
Paul Hess
2024-12-20 01:42:19 +0000 UTCπ©·πβ€οΈπ’
Paul Hess
2024-12-20 01:40:03 +0000 UTCwow nice early Xmas gift !! frikin cardassians !!!
john reed
2024-12-20 01:27:55 +0000 UTCWhy Captain Jellico is pretty awesome: https://youtu.be/09TySF0FN6Y?si=kEs24s5Im29tBAMU
John
2024-12-20 01:23:05 +0000 UTCAaaaggghhh
Brett Whittaker
2024-12-20 01:21:51 +0000 UTCDon't be a stubborn fool. There are five lights. (Zap)
Dustin Denner
2024-12-20 01:15:26 +0000 UTCRIP David Warner (1941 - 2022). A fine actor! He was in a good adaptation of the mystery / thriller novel 'The Thirty Nine Steps', the 1978 version starring Robert Powell.
Jason Scade
2024-12-20 01:06:38 +0000 UTCGul Madrid was played by David Warner, who also played the Federation ambassador in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier and Chancellor Gorkon in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. A lot of people are not a fan of Captain Jellico, including myself. He is a war time captain, not a peace time captain, as was Captain Benjamin Maxwell in the episode "The Wounded" (S4E12).
Dustin Denner
2024-12-20 00:53:37 +0000 UTCAs this is just the one episode I presume we are able to do part 1 and 2 of Emmisary together after Christmas?
Brett Whittaker
2024-12-20 00:49:14 +0000 UTCLove the concerned look thumbnail and your Christmas nails very swish π really looking forward to seeing how this concluded make it so ππ₯
Ian
2024-12-20 00:34:47 +0000 UTCLooking forward to this one. Doing a rewatch of a series myself, Voyager. Given your musical fortitude, I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts on the opening theme. (If you're willing to watch it from the first season which would give you no really spoilers on the shower other than character names.)
Brian Straight
2024-12-20 00:30:23 +0000 UTCYaaay! Christmas came early! This will be a perfect beginning to my special Trek night. First, this conclusion, then I'm watching the series finale of Lower Decks! ππ
Over50Gamer
2024-12-20 00:30:00 +0000 UTCToo perfect! I just fin watching part 1 three mins ago. :D Thank you! β₯ Hope you're doing okay.
Jason Scade
2024-12-20 00:27:57 +0000 UTCTHERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!
Brett Whittaker
2024-12-20 00:27:24 +0000 UTC
