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I guess I just always associate spells with one or two Latin sounding words. Not English words. The only time we heard that was in Stone with the fake spell on the train. To me, it felt a little witchyâŠlike bubble bubble toil and trouble stereotypical green skinned witch. If that makes any sense. But thatâs just the vibe I got. I appreciate hearing your opinion on it though! Could you give me an example of spoken word spells? I canât recall any off the top of my head đ
itsanursething
2024-12-29 21:58:24 +0000 UTCI'm not sure what exactly you mean by something about it "feeling off". Are you saying you don't like the writing/world-building? I've always thought it was really great because it's nothing we've seen before. It really feels like ancient dark magic that Voldy himself might have come up with. It makes him and dark magic in general more special. This is the type of stuff I think of when Lupin warns the trio in Deathly Hallows about having to face magic they couldn't have imagined. Also, there are other examples of spoken words used in spells, it's not unique in that sense.
Me Here
2024-12-28 20:39:08 +0000 UTCI feel like the author maybe wanted it to be like that, so that people can read especially Snape as they want. In my eyes for example neither Snape or Regulus is "good", even though both are REALLY brave to work against Voldemort after they reached a turning point with him. So they have good qualities of course! But yes, I agree that it's not a very developed aspect of the story. For a lot of the Death Eaters I feel like the motivation is fear (which could be regarded as part of the reason why they didn't look for him, in addition to explaining why power isn't enough for Lucius), combined with them having some of the same views, of course.
H
2024-12-02 22:16:41 +0000 UTCIts a shame that McNair doesn't really appear in the books ever again. I think the Death Eaters are one of the least developed aspects of the whole story. We never really find out much about them as people beyond tantalizing hints, we never really understand their motivations. What is Voldemort offering them that they cannot get any other way? Lucius Malfoy is rich, powerful, well-connected, able to influence or even direct policy and yet he decides to throw in his lot with Voldemort to basically have the same position he has in Book 2. Yes, we can argue that perhaps Malfoy is a true believer in the whole Pureblood thing, but again, this political viewpoint isn't very well articulated throughout the story. This makes the reveal that Regulus Black and Snape are actually good a lot less powerful. The knowledge that Snape betrayed Voldemort and has been working against him for however many years is so much less powerful when we have no idea why Snape joined the Death Eaters in the first place.
S1lm4r1l
2024-12-02 21:49:57 +0000 UTCRon's massive feet might be hiding spoilers under here if anyone is responding to my post.
H
2024-12-02 21:05:31 +0000 UTCHi Veggie! I love the fact that the reason Wormtail found Voldemort was because of rat gossip. Well, more than just gossip, to be fair, but still. I feel like Voldemort is teasing both us (the readers) and the Death Eaters about the horcruxes, talking about how he has gone further than anybody else etc, without mentioning how. You probably noticed that McNair, the one who was about to kill Buckbeak in the third book, was there at the graveyard, I guess? It was quickly mentioned in the movie as well, but can't remember if anyone here has mentioned it in the book club before, so not sure you had that connection before?
H
2024-12-02 21:04:29 +0000 UTCno spoilers!
Jonas (Methanoutput)
2024-12-02 17:01:51 +0000 UTCAy up me duck, Mr. VeggieGamer, maybe someone has mentioned it before but in the german version of the audiobook they've put a hall effect under Voldemorts voice. I have to say after knowing this version for so long the english version by Stephen Fry seems somewhat weird to me. His Voldemort sounds like a posh guy ordering Wormtail to kill Cedric, while our german Voldemort kind of sounds like a non human being that fills the whole graveyard with his voice. Also Cedric would have maybe survived (a bit longer) if his last teachers in DADA were not Quirrell, Lockhart, a most of the time absenst Lupin and Moody. As always i hope you and Woozle are doing great :) (i hope i used the greeting right, i googled it :D )
Jonas (Methanoutput)
2024-12-02 13:46:09 +0000 UTCHi Veggie and Woozle I have a few thoughts first of all đ oh Cedric RIP. I was crying my eyes out the first time I read these chapters. The ritual for voldy to return was interesting though. When harry realised it was wormtail I felt Harry's anger at seeing him again. I quite enjoy chapter 33 or as I call it voldemorts monologue chapter haha. I still find all that voldemort has to say quite interesting still even though I have read it at least 20 times since the first time I read the book and the first time I was glued to the chapter lol I look forward to seeing what you think of these chapters especially about who you think the death eaters that are missing are specifically the one who left forever and the coward. who do you think the most faithful death eater was that voldemort said is at hogwarts?
Liz
2024-12-01 18:19:57 +0000 UTCOoftypoof, Veggie! Iâve always been so confused by this description of Voldemort. Snakes donât have flat faces? Nor can I think of any that actually have slits for nostrils. Most are round. I can see how it would be hard to make a human face more snake like without it being comic, and I guess what we get in the movies works well enough. But I never would have been able to figure out what he was supposed to look like from this description đ€Ł Sorry this is such a silly observation for such dramatic chapters, but this is what stands out to my reptile loving brain đ€Ł
Ashley Evers
2024-11-29 20:43:47 +0000 UTCWith her damaged memory perhaps she forgot he was supposed to be dead. Alternatively, she might've been more curious than suspicious. From everything we know about her, she was an incorrigible snooper, perhaps Wormtail said "I'll tell you everything, but lets go outside, too many ears listening."
S1lm4r1l
2024-11-29 12:29:30 +0000 UTCHey Veggie! WOWâŠ. Voldy really shows us why he is the villain in these chapters! Absolutely no regard for human or animal life, and even treats his own âtrue familyâ like dirt. He only heals Wormtail after first summoning his followers, then makes sure to give him the new hand in front of the Death Eaters to show them his so-called mercy (after being the reason he has no hand in the first place). The way he refers to Cedric as âthe spareâ gives us a twisted view of how he thinks all others are beneath him, just like how he disposed of Bertha so unceremoniously and shortened the lives of those poor animals he possessed. đ He is pure evil, and so dang scary! Talk about a shift in tone for the series⊠Hope you and Woozle are staying warm đ
Elizabeth D
2024-11-29 06:33:33 +0000 UTC@Rhea That's what I mean: it's a good moment *when* it gets revealed, and you can go back and check that it was actually there all along. Personally I prefer being surprised by the story, I'm actually a bit disappointed if I manage to figure stuff out in advance and then it's like "oh... that was it?" :-/ But that's just my view on it, Veggie was happy to figure out the riddle so I guess he wouldn't mind. But still, I think we should let him pick up on it himself if it happens.
Alias93
2024-11-28 16:31:49 +0000 UTCS1lm4r1l- Hmmm... I racked my brains and I'm going to take a GUESS you might be referring to his actions during the Battle of Hogwarts, staying behind and, unfortunately, getting tackled by Charlie and I can't remember the other guy at the moment lol
Rhea H Pelotto
2024-11-28 16:03:14 +0000 UTCAlias93-Im kinda hoping he catches it!! It is a good moment. I'm sure I can't be the only one... I IMMEDIATELY took out my Order book and looked it up as soon as Hermione remembered/ realized in DH LOL
Rhea H Pelotto
2024-11-28 15:56:13 +0000 UTCBut she knew Wormtail was supposed to be dead, that should be at least a little suspicious, right?
Janie
2024-11-28 14:49:16 +0000 UTCworst spell ever had me laugh really hard. Needed that, thank you
Dara Jeeling
2024-11-28 12:48:13 +0000 UTCTbf from what we know about her, all it would have taken was probably Wormtail to tell her he had some fresh gossip on Sirius and Lupin and she would have followed him without question.
Alias93
2024-11-28 12:14:56 +0000 UTCSirius Black remembers her being "a bit dim" and later Crouch Jnr says his father's memory charm damaged her memory permanently. She may have taken the walk with him.
S1lm4r1l
2024-11-27 20:10:33 +0000 UTC*Protego Spoilers*
S1lm4r1l
2024-11-27 20:09:42 +0000 UTCI've got a moment like that too. It conclusively proves that Horace Slughorn is A) A total baller. B) Probably the bravest Slytherin in the entire story.
S1lm4r1l
2024-11-26 21:54:00 +0000 UTCMaybe Voldemort is a really bad wedding planner. Tells people which table they're sitting at, but doesn't tell them who they're sitting with. Its definitely one of the many internal contradictions of Rowling's work.
S1lm4r1l
2024-11-26 21:51:30 +0000 UTCIf that was the first time he summoned them, how would they know where to stand in the circle and where to leave gaps? I don't think it's ever confirmed or not, but I feel like Wormtail wasn't a full member of the death eaters before Voldemort's downfall, and he was given the dark mark only after helping him (and also because it would be needed to summon the others).
Alias93
2024-11-26 19:37:18 +0000 UTCYou are assuming that this is not the first time Voldemort summoned all his Death Eaters to him. There is some evidence to suggest that it was. He explicitly wants to know who is loyal and who is not. It is entirely possible there were Death Eaters entirely ignorant of each other. I doubt Wormtail's membership was public knowledge. Either nobody gave him away, or nobody knew he was a Death Eater. The former doesn't seem likely. Voldemort could perform magic when in baby form though. It seems possible that Wormtail returned him to a rudimentary body and then he questioned Bertha.
S1lm4r1l
2024-11-26 17:41:29 +0000 UTCProtection from Spoilers.
S1lm4r1l
2024-11-26 17:36:19 +0000 UTCNo spoilers here.
Hawwah
2024-11-26 11:14:33 +0000 UTCHi Veggie! Last time you said that Voldemort wasn't a thug. I respectfully disagree. He murdered his own father and grandparents when he was still a schoolboy, as well as Moaning Myrtle. He was a violent, dangerous individual even as a youngster. He clearly enjoys inflicting pain on people. We see it as he tortures Avery and then Harry - and laughs about it both times. He shows no concern for Wormtail and even tells him he deserves his pain. Severus on the other hand is a remarkably non-violent person. Remember the moment when he had unconscious Black at his mercy in PoA? He could have done anything he wanted to him. He conjured a stretcher for him instead. And that was when he still believed Black was the one who betrayed Lily to her death. He hated Black more than anyone, yet he didn't hurt a hair on his head. So here is my question for you: how on Earth could someone as non-violent as Severus end up with Voldemort and his gang of Death Eater thugs? What could have attracted him to them? (This is something that will be discussed in the next book, not this one, but I'm curious to hear your theories and/or predictions.) I find it very interesting how Voldemort calls his DEs his "true family" but doesn't treat them as such. He tortures them and threatens them. And they drop to their knees, crawl to him and kiss the hem of his robes! That's some creepy, cult-like stuff. It shows us how messed up in the head Voldemort is if he thinks this is what a family looks like. PS: Voldemort has glowing red eyes. This is non-negotiable. The movies are WRONG.
Hawwah
2024-11-26 07:58:12 +0000 UTCHi Veggie and Woozle! It's been so long since I participated in the book club, these were busy months! But now I fully moved to the UK, got a new job here and finally caught up on the book and your reviews :) And what crazy chapters to be getting back to! Two things here I found curious: 1. There should be very few Death Eaters, if they can stand in a circle and keep empty spots for missing members. It's safe to say that not all Voldemort supporters are Death Eaters, they are the highest rank of them and only they have the mark, as it acts as a way to summon them. They all know the order in which to stand in the circle too, which also means each of them should know everyone in the circle, no? One of them should be Karkaroff (we know he has the mark), he is probably one that Voldy calls "too frightened to return". So shouldnât he know everybody else? Couldnât he name them all during his trial that we saw earlier? 2. I'm questionning how does Voldemortâs spirit form even worked. Seems like he could reside in someones body (animals or Quirrell), but can't really control it, otherwise he could have performed magic with Quirrell's hand. But then how did he performed memory charms on Bertha Jorkins? (he specifically says I). Seems like he didnât have any resemblance of the body at that point, as it was at the very moment, when Wormtail found him. This whole existence of Voldy is confusing and quite convinient for the plot.
Kate Bogd
2024-11-25 18:45:23 +0000 UTCYes! The inner dialogue when Harry digs Dobby's grave and the discussions with Griphook and Ollivander really show how much in charge Harry is at that point. We can see how much he has grown, he's really an adult and no longer a child who needs guidance. About the locket, I think there might be a chance that Veggie could pick up on it (Regulus is mentioned in the same chapter), but it's very brief (by design), so maybe not. For the reveal in DH to really pay off, you're not supposed to realise what it is at that point, so I think we should give him the chance to experience it as it was meant to be read the first time. I'll be interested to hear what he thinks about all the weird stuff in the house: at that point you're supposed to think "oh well, that's just how the wizarding world is, we did see a car going feral in CoS after all", and it's a great twist that it was in fact a misdirect and that all the agressive objects actually had a reason to be there.
Alias93
2024-11-25 13:45:46 +0000 UTCI love everything about that and thank you for pre-sharing lol. Especially since we both just saw Harry and Veggie âamazed by their own brillianceâ getting past the Sphinx so it really hits more. Frankly, I would have never gotten past the poison riddle from book one lol. Obviously I hate what caused it but, I love Harry's inner dialogue and reflection while digging sweet Dobby's grave. Really great writing in my opinion. I've already been thinking about the LOCKET coming up in Order. I wonder if Veggie will catch it?? I don't think it would be a âspoilerâ if one of us points it out tho just in case. What do you think?? Can't wait for Fred and Georges brilliance to start shining whilst cleaning out the noble house of black. Just think, we are only a few chapters away from Veggie learning how Fred and George were actually able to START their joke shop!!
Rhea H Pelotto
2024-11-25 12:42:58 +0000 UTCI'll have to explain it, because it wouldn't make much sense otherwise: it's when Harry starts figuring out that the deathly hallows are real after visiting Xenophilius Lovegood. I studied mathematics at university and the way the scene is described matches almost perfectly with how it feels to make a breakthrough after working on solving a problem for a while, things start clicking and you can literally feel your mind racing as you suddenly understand what steps need to be taken to make sense of it all. And then that sinking feeling Harry has when he realises that Voldemort is after the elder wand also matches with how it feels when, after constructing an elaborate proof, you find out that there is a flaw in your reasoning and you have to start over. There are a couple other moments in DH when the characters suddenly figure out something (the locket that was in Grimmauld place since OotP and the diadem that Harry saw in the room of requirement in HBP), but this one is my favourite.
Alias93
2024-11-25 09:14:47 +0000 UTCPlease oh please give me a small HINT of the Deathly Hallows moment!!!! Maybe just the Chapter lol!! He doesn't read the replies anywayđđ
Rhea H Pelotto
2024-11-25 00:09:18 +0000 UTCI have a moment like that too, but mine is in the middle of Deathly Hallows, so it will be a few years before I can talk about it. You actually reminded me to start writing my comments about the first chapters of OotP since we're a few months away from starting it.
Alias93
2024-11-24 22:05:00 +0000 UTC[reply below]
Alias93
2024-11-24 22:02:47 +0000 UTC"You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred-and-fifty of us livinâ in a shoebox in the middle of the road!" Not much to say on these chapters, Though I feel the whole of the flesh blood and bone chapter is much better than the film and I definitely like the appearance of Voldemort over the film and the interaction between Harry and Cedric plays out better, the actual resurrection scene is a lot more intense and scary. I am glad the movie didn't have the Deatheater's crawling towards Voldamort and kissing his robe would have looked a bit daft. Now you know most of the Bertha Jorkins story and why Harry has to live withe the Dursley's.
Simon audsley
2024-11-24 15:57:36 +0000 UTCâFor a second that contained an eternityâŠâ Horrible moment but, how amazing is that writing?? I won't be able to comment on everything I want too but, I want to point out I love everything about this book going forward until the end. The storyline gets incredible but, the writing, my god the writing is MAGNIFICENT. It's so good. If this stuff doesn't âput you in the momentâ nothing will. All the feels. Every paragraph. Next book review, I will be fixated on one moment. My moment. His moment. The good moment. THE BEST MOMENT. It might be a little weird but, towards the end of your Stone book reviews before I even started commenting in the book club reviews I wrote a âcommentâ about THIS MOMENT in the hope you would make it this far!!! That's how much I love it!! It's in the notes section of my OLD phone. May 2022. 2 and Âœ years ago and HERE WE ARE!! Im sure there's absolutely no way you can guess which character it pertains to lol đđ„°đđ„° Again tho, remember I'm going to go crazy fan girl on one moment but, I still love every momentâŠ. and I'm willing to bet YOU will, too!! IM SO EXCITED!!!!!
Rhea H Pelotto
2024-11-23 21:02:56 +0000 UTCHi Veggie! I'm really grateful that I read these books for the first time as an adult. I'd definitely have nightmares after reading these two chapters if I were a kid :) But now I can really appreciate the detailed description of Voldemort's resurrection and of his face. Too bad they left out his red eyes in the movie. It would have made him much more terrifying, in my opinion. I love Voldemort's very detailed story in chapter 33. I'm not sure how much of it we got in the movie, if anything at all. It was interesting to hear that Wormtail is not actually that useless after all - he did manage to find Voldy and even persuaded Bertha Jorkins to take a walk with him. I'm sure he probably used Imperius on her though, I doubt she was that stupid and followed him on her own.
Janie
2024-11-15 14:05:35 +0000 UTCVoldemort does have the snake-like nose in the book too.
Janie
2024-11-15 13:43:45 +0000 UTCVoldemort out-right says. "Any magic that would've helped me required the use of a wand."
S1lm4r1l
2024-11-13 16:10:16 +0000 UTCHi Veggie! Chapter 32 Notes: The baby Voldemort here looks more like the "horcrux" we see in the movie Deathly Hallows pt. 2 at "King's Cross". "Lord Voldemort had risen again." Always gives me chills. Chapter 33 Notes: Do you think if Voldemort's mother hadn't died, he would have turned out any different? Keep in mind what Voldemort said to Wormtail, may your loyalty never waiver again. Nott! In one of your livestreams, you read a joke about Nott, and now you've met him! Who put Bertha under a memory charm? There may be a deeper reason Harry stays with the Dursley's as hinted at by Voldemort. Have a great day Veggie and Woozle!
Grace S
2024-11-12 01:52:12 +0000 UTCItâs been so long since Iâve read through the books. I donât remember that being explained in the next one, but Iâll take your work for it! Iâll take it out for now and think of a way to reword it đ
itsanursething
2024-11-11 17:13:16 +0000 UTC"I think Voldemort is so incapable of love that it physically hurts him" This is explicitly confirmed in the next book when Voldemort tries to possess Harry in the ministry, something the movie might not have made very clear as it protrayed Harry being able to push Voldemort back with the power of friendship rather than Voldemort being physically hurt by it. I think your theory is interesting and not a spoiler in itself, but maybe there could be a way to word this sentence a little bit differently?
Alias93
2024-11-11 16:04:53 +0000 UTC[reply below]
Alias93
2024-11-11 15:59:50 +0000 UTCHi Veggie! These chapters scared me so much as a kid. (Although, the whole book was also scary to me.) Reading this description of Voldemort with the red eyes, it strikes me that his appearance and physicality is much scarier in the book than the movie. I wonder if they did that for special effects reasons; it may have been difficult to edit in the red eyes. I'm also surprised to realize how few Death Eaters there are in total. Granted we don't know how many wizards there are in the country, and I know Voldemort has other followers (like the giants, etc.). However, it is shocking how much damage such a small number of people could do.
Maria
2024-11-10 21:49:05 +0000 UTCHi Veggie! Whew! We made it to the graveyard scene. Weâre finally here. SO much exposition is packed into these 2 chapters. And honestly, all I want to do is talk about the thing that have bothered me for years. The resurrection potion spell thing. This sounds NOTHING like any other spell in the entire series. Except the fake one Ron tried to use in Stone to turn Scabbers yellow. Is it necessary for the potion? Are there other potions that require a âspellâ or spoken words for it to work? I donât know. Something about it always felt a little off to me. But then again, everything about Lord Moldy Shorts is off. Also, did Wormy have to cut off his WHOLE hand? Would another finger have worked just as well? I read the other comments before re-reading the chapter and they inspired me to pay closer attention to one bit: when Voldy is talking about being hit by the killing curse. He says it was, "pain beyond pain." I have a theory about why it hurt. But Iâll save it for another time. What do you think Veggie?
itsanursething
2024-11-10 18:38:59 +0000 UTCProtego Spoilers (I love seeing that others have done this)
SavageKim
2024-11-10 13:57:08 +0000 UTCHi Veggie! Hope you're well. I also find the final line of Chapter 32 so chilling- I believe I took a pause and a deep breath after reading that in the physical book, but the audiobook always catches me off guard with how short this chapter is and it's a bit jarring when the next chapter starts immediately. Chapter 33: Voldy tells Harry he has a witch mother and a muggle father that he killed, but it's before the Death Eaters return - so do you think they know he's not actually pure blood? (Wormtail likely knows, but I doubt he'd say anything to others, or they'd probably not believe him anyway). I also always found the description of what Harry feels during the Cruciatus curse horrible (well described, but awful). Finally - I liked the scene in the movie well enough, there's only so much you can get on screen, but I prefer the more detailed reasoning Book Voldy gives for using Harry's blood specifically - it bypasses the Love magic and now Voldy can touch Harry. Harry has now lost that special protection that helped him way back in Book 1. Have a great day!
SavageKim
2024-11-10 13:56:14 +0000 UTCI have to agree about Crabbe & Goyle. Convenient is the best way to describe their fathers being death eater friends
Andrew K
2024-11-09 23:15:56 +0000 UTCđȘProtego spoilers đȘ
Garry (Not Jerry)
2024-11-09 21:11:10 +0000 UTCHi Veggie! đ€ Other people have already mentioned most of the points I wanted to say so I thought I would just bring up a couple of more silly things. 1. Voldemortâs first words after coming back are ârobe meâ. It would look a bit stupid in the movie if he was just standing there in the cauldron naked đ 2. It seems a bit âconvenientâ to me that Crabbe and Goyles parents are both death eaters, both mentioned at the same time and both happen to have children the same age that are also always hanging about together.
Garry (Not Jerry)
2024-11-09 21:10:25 +0000 UTCI always thought it was kind of dumb that crabbe and goyle were both death eaters. Oh so they all have children the same age and all their fathers are death eaters? And they just happen to both also always be mentioned together?
Garry (Not Jerry)
2024-11-09 21:03:39 +0000 UTCMight have been weird if he was just naked in the movie đ
Garry (Not Jerry)
2024-11-09 20:52:28 +0000 UTCđȘ Protego Spoiler đȘ
Hairy Pothead
2024-11-09 16:10:47 +0000 UTCHi Veggie! Even now I get literal goosebumps from the line "Lord Voldemort had risen again." It's like we've building up to this moment for 4 books. Harry has faced off with versions of Voldemort before, but now it feels real in a different way and like the beginning of the "main storyline" imo. My favorite part of the book series is from this point on, but it felt like the movies didn't want to get into the serious side too much and focused a lot on the action/adventure/comedy/teen drama.
Hairy Pothead
2024-11-09 15:36:09 +0000 UTCWhatâs a spoiler Edit ohh is this for the comments so he cans ready any
Howiedoing
2024-11-06 17:12:35 +0000 UTCđȘ Protego Spoiler đȘ
Mel
2024-11-06 10:04:20 +0000 UTCHi Veggie ! In the film, they didn't take away his humanoid side by making his eyes red, but by taking away his nose... If I'm not mistaken, he still has it in the book. I've always felt that Voldemort calling Peter âwormtailâ, the nickname he had with his best friends, reinforced his betrayal of James and Lily. That nickname was something that united them, welded them together... and for Voldemort to use it sullied their past friendship even more, imo. and perhaps a constant reminder from Voldemort to Peter that he has betrayed them.
Mel
2024-11-06 10:04:05 +0000 UTCSpacer to hide potential spoilers :)
Garfnob
2024-11-06 02:16:08 +0000 UTC"a spell or two of my own invention . . . a little help from my dear Nagini,â Voldemortâs red eyes fell upon the continually circling snake, âa potion con?cocted from unicorn blood, and the snake venom Nagini pro?vided . . . I was soon returned to an almost human form, and strong enough to travel. " I was under the impresion that those spells were used in order to make the potion, but you are probably right. He likely brought the dark lord back to a physical body and then used the potion to give him strengh. thank you for the clarification.
Eduardo
2024-11-05 16:43:49 +0000 UTCHi Woozle and Veggie! Most of my points have already been made, so i will just add that I love Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort, especially in these scenes. And regarding his eyes not being red in the films, I saw an interview once with the producer and the director of the film where they said that they wanted to keep Voldy's appearance a bit more human to make him more terrifying. (Less snake-monster, more Uncanny Valley.) The producer said that he thought the red eyes work brilliantly in the book, but in the film it would take away much of the eyes' expression. I think he has a point and I don't mind the change.
Tawny Owl
2024-11-05 16:36:01 +0000 UTC*Spoiler protection.*
S1lm4r1l
2024-11-05 16:26:05 +0000 UTCMandatory spoiler protection! :)
Steven
2024-11-05 16:06:22 +0000 UTCAs we learn in Half blood prince Tom Riddle sr left his wife after she stopped giving love potion but we hear nothing regarding that from voldemort. I think that speaks to the fact he has limited information about his parents, as it is often the case for orphans, so i think that he saying his dad gave him his name is just a plausible thing to assume.
Eduardo
2024-11-05 15:02:43 +0000 UTCHow does communication through the Dark Mark work? Is there a way to literally send messages, or is it more like a portkey that guides your apparition to wherever Voldemort is? Iâve been eager for you to reach this point since the chapter in Riddle's mansion, where we finally get the answer: NO, Voldemort was not nursing some weird reptilian milk from Nagini. How could Voldemort drink a potion that restored him to a body if he was less than a spirit? Wouldnât he need a body in the first place to drink it? edit: I was under the impresion that those spells were used in order to make the potion, but he likely brought the dark lord back to a physical body and then used the potion to give him strengh.
Eduardo
2024-11-05 14:51:36 +0000 UTCHi Veggie First off, I have been really hard on this movie but here itâs deserves its credit. Itâs does a good job with these chapters (do wish we got the red eyes though). This is where the series takes a dramatic shift in tone. The utter shock of Cedricâs death and Voldemorts resurrection the first time reading or watching. Itâs amazing even after all these years, how well I remember what I felt the first time reading certain parts in these books. These chapters are fantastic and terrifying. Ps Last time I asked about a possible round table like discussion. As I am pretty introverted at myself, I understand your concerns. Iâm more thinking along the lines as something like you reading out our typed comments live.
Howiedoing
2024-11-05 03:03:44 +0000 UTCSpacer to protect from spoilers
Florian Krause
2024-11-04 10:46:11 +0000 UTCHi Veggie, what do you think about the way Voldemort and his ressurection is described. For a child this would be very graphic. What do you think about Voldi's behaviour towards his followers?
Florian Krause
2024-11-04 10:45:58 +0000 UTCI thought Karkaroff was the coward too, but I guess it depends if Voldemort is aware that Karkaroff gave names of death eaters to save himself. If he does, then I don't think he would say "who I believe has left me forever" to refer to him, it would be pretty obvious that he wouldn't dare to come back after that. So the question is, does Voldemort know about what Karkaroff did? I would guess he does, Wormtail might have heard about the trial while he was at the Weasleys, and Crouch Jr could probably have heard about it from his father since it happened before he was caught. I wonder if Voldemort considered having Karkaroff be a part of the triwizard plot (since he knew he would be there as Durmstrang's headmaster) before learning that he betrayed him and could not be trusted.
Alias93
2024-11-04 09:44:02 +0000 UTCyes, that was what I thought - but so far people always think Snape is the coward.... Sadly
Dara Jeeling
2024-11-04 07:22:20 +0000 UTCThat's very morbid indeed! Crikey.
Jake M
2024-11-04 01:16:31 +0000 UTCIsn't there a theory that Bertha was pregnant when she went on holiday, and that's why she was visiting relatives. Bertha gave birth, Voldemort possessed the child and that's why it needed the Unicorn blood, to keep it alive long enough for Voldemort to interact with the potion restoring him fully.
S1lm4r1l
2024-11-03 23:58:43 +0000 UTCI always thought the coward is Karkaroff. He thinks Snape has left him forever. Barty Jnr has already re-entered his service. Do tell your theory.
S1lm4r1l
2024-11-03 23:54:18 +0000 UTCI think there's an argument that the fragility of Voldemort's soul impacted his experience. If Voldemort had only made 1 Horcrux, would he have experienced pain, or as much pain? Conversely, perhaps the smallness of Voldemort's soul is what allowed him the ability to share the bodies of others, at the cost of dramatically shortening their lives. This seems to be the only way Voldemort had to impact the physical world in his dead-not dead predicament. Having a ghost move through you, their soul inside your body is very discomforting but doesn't give them control. Perhaps a smaller soul is less discomforting, but more capable of possession.
S1lm4r1l
2024-11-03 23:50:40 +0000 UTCI think that dying probably IS painless but having your soul ripped from your body but staying alive through a horcrux is painful. Voldemort never died. "My curse was deflected by the woman's foolish sacrifice, and it rebounded upon me. Aaah ... pain beyond pain, my friends; nothing could have prepared me for it. I was ripped from my body, I was less than spirit, less than the meanest ghost ... but still, I was alive." "Come out, Harry ... come out and play, then ... it will be quick ... it might even be painless ... I would now know ... I have never died ..."
Hairy Pothead
2024-11-03 23:23:18 +0000 UTCNo pots and no spoils for you!
S1lm4r1l
2024-11-03 18:13:25 +0000 UTC*Might Edit* There's a theory that Bertha was pregnant and that's why she was visiting family in Albania. The child was born and Voldemort possessed it. That's why the Unicorn blood was necessary, to keep it alive long enough for Voldemort to interact with the potion that restores him to full power. No baby, no body, no interacting with the potion. Its interesting that Voldemort describes his experience as painful, the Killing Curse leaves no marks and we're given to assume is entirely painless. Moaning Myrtle's description of her death doesn't mention any pain, and her spirit, like Voldemort's remains earthbound. The Killing Curse failed to kill both its intended target and the person it rebounded onto. #Worstspellever.
S1lm4r1l
2024-11-03 18:12:30 +0000 UTCSpacer to hide potential spoilers :)
Johanna
2024-11-03 16:11:56 +0000 UTCSomething I never thought about bevore: Wouldn't it have been smarter for Voldemort to robe himself instead of ordering Wormtail to do it for him? I mean Wormtail couldn't have been very dignified while doing it...given that he was in incredible pain and had only one handđ And he also would have been bleeding all over his robesđ Either way I think it was smart of the movie to just get around the problem alltogether by just magically giving him robes as part of the resurection spellđ
Diego ZenhÀusern
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Ree
2024-11-02 18:17:00 +0000 UTCHello Veggie! I find the colour of the potion intriguing! It turns blue when the bone is added, which is a colour associated with protection and security (from a father?). Then it is red when Wormtail adds his hand, a colour associated with power such as power over a servant. The final colour of white could symbolise the purity and innocence of his enemy, in this case Harry. Or it could symbolise the new beginning of his body. A slightly more amusing point, when Wormtail was Scabbers he had a toe missing because of his missing finger. Does this mean that if he became a rat again he would have a tiny little silver foot? I think yes!
Ree
2024-11-02 18:14:22 +0000 UTCWhen I was a kid I didn't realise that Crabbe and Goyle were their last name, so I actually thought that it was Draco's friends (and not their parents) who showed up in the graveyard with the other death eaters (which confused me a lot).
Alias93
2024-11-02 16:56:31 +0000 UTCSpacer to hide potential spoilers ;)
Johanna
2024-11-02 16:41:13 +0000 UTCHello Veggie! I always wish the videos would come sooner, but at the same time, I don't. Because I don't want this series to end! This is my comfort series. Chapter 32 Cedric's death is described so well, in my opinion. His empty eyes, the way itâs so sudden, so pointless. He is there, and then he is no more. It's like missing a step on the stairs. Once, I had a nightmare about Voldemort, and only then did I realise how terrifying he would be. Because of the fantasy setting, it never struck me deeply how scary he would be if he were real. Chapter 33 Itâs so telling how ungrateful and careless Voldemort is towards Wormtail. I think he gave him the hand to show to the others that he 'rewards' his helpers. Imagine what Draco is learning from that householdâitâs not just a dislike of Muggles. But his daddy loves to torture them directly. Voldemort describes the situation with the Philosopherâs Stone and then says he was in a dark time until Wormtail came to him. He skips the Chamber of Secrets, which would indicate that Tom Riddle from the diary acted independently of this Voldemort who had no body, and they arenât connected in a way that would make them one. This makes me wonder: what if Tom Riddle had indeed managed to pour Ginny's life into himself and make himself alive? Then what? What about the one who was bodiless? Unless, by having a living body, the diary Tom and the ghostly Voldemort would merge into one? Bertha's end was the worst. Itâs so tragic and vile. I would prefer Cedric's end. I see some similarities with the Longbottoms, although the Cruciatus Curse doesnât seem to damage the body physicallyâso perhaps something even worse.
Jo Winters
2024-11-02 05:01:43 +0000 UTCI can imagine! In German, everything sounds more scary. However, there may be very biased reasons as to why I think so.
Jo Winters
2024-11-02 04:55:01 +0000 UTCAbsolutely. Plus on a symbolic level, it makes sense, because Voldemort is Harry, he is Harry's shadow. So as Harry grows older and stronger, Voldemort also does.
Jo Winters
2024-11-02 04:48:57 +0000 UTCthey resurrection potion is stated by Voldemort to be "an old peace of dark magic" in chapter 33. this of course does not guarantee Dumbledore know of it, hence my question. he invented the potion that got him the "baby" body.
Garfnob
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Garfnob
2024-11-02 00:44:16 +0000 UTCYup, which is quite incredible.
Me Here
2024-11-02 00:10:38 +0000 UTCI think the parents have speaking lines before the sons, don't they? Far as I can recall, we don't hear Tweedledee and Tweedledum speak until the final book!
Jake M
2024-11-02 00:07:15 +0000 UTCSomething really amazing about these books is how it grows with Harry. As Harry get's older the story get's darker and more serious. This is the chapter Cedric dies, which is the first time Harry sees someone die. In the same scene, Voldemort is back. This is the moment everything changes. For Harry, he see's what Voldemort is capable of first hand for the first time, and not just the 16 year old diary version or the weakened version that was attached to Quirrell. For us readers, it's a way to know this is truly the turning point of the series.
Kunzite Blossom
2024-11-01 23:29:19 +0000 UTCI edited my comment instead:)
Josh Z
2024-11-01 23:07:31 +0000 UTCI always interpreted the potion as being his own creation and one of the âsteps towards immortalityâ he took, so I doubt all the death eaters would know since that is a big thing to tell people who could betray him, Dumbledore wouldnât have known to move the bones of Riddle Sr.
Steven
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Garfnob
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Garfnob
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Garfnob
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Garfnob
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Garfnob
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Garfnob
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Garfnob
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Garfnob
2024-11-01 22:40:25 +0000 UTCGreetings, Chapter â 32 - did Dumbledore not know about this resurrection potion, or not know who Voldemortâs father was at this point. why did he not collect the bones years ago? Chapter â 33 - what steps did Voldemort take to guard himself from death? Steps that the death eaters would know about. - the first hint as to why Harry need to keep going back to the Dursleys.
Garfnob
2024-11-01 22:39:46 +0000 UTCThanks CJ, completely got my wires crossed! Deleted
Andrew K
2024-11-01 22:18:13 +0000 UTCRegarding your last paragraph, that happens in chapter 34
Cj Hayes
2024-11-01 22:16:16 +0000 UTCHi Veggie! So before I leave for Londond in liek6 hours XD I will just post ONE teeny, tiny comment on Chapter 33..... What do you make of Voldemorts cryptic speak to his death eaters, especially the empty places in his circle? "and here we have SIX missing death Eaters. Three dead in my service. One to cowardly to return... he will pay! One, who I believe has left me forever... he will be killed - of course... and one who remains my most faithful servant and who has already reentered my service" I always found this fascinating. So who do you thik he is talking about? Who Is to cowardly to return? Who does he believe has left him forever - and who will be killed? And who is his mot loyal one, alread reentered his service? I think I have a very uncommon idea about thw who is it. And I will share taht when there are no spoilers left! Also, we are near the end of the book - YAY so I can now send my box spoilerfree! I hope you have a nice weekend! Your walks sound fascinating. MAYBE you can share a link, so I can have a look into them for nnext year, when I will do a few more days in Britain. Thank you!
Dara Jeeling
2024-11-01 21:19:51 +0000 UTCHi Veggie, hope youâre well! -What do you think of Voldemortâs eyes being red? I think it was correct to change it in the movies as red eyes might be too cartoony, but Iâd be interested to see this in the TV show. -Harryâs desperation during this is heartbreaking. âLet it drownâ âlet the police comeâ, it shows Harryâs fear and makes it feel so authentic. Heâs still just a kid. -We learn a lot about magic itself in these chapters. Voldemort pushing the limits of magic, creating his own spells, the heinous potion that brings him back, possessing animals and lessening their lifespan, and more. Itâs horrible but itâs very interesting. What did you think of all this info? -finally, what was your favourite set during your Warner Bros Studio Tour visit :)
Andrew K
2024-11-01 20:54:51 +0000 UTCHello, Father! Chapter 32 Chapter 1, The Riddle House, Voldemort says to Wormtail: "I will allow you to perform an essential task for me, one that many of my followers would give their right hands to perform." Well, clearly the Dark Lord doesn't do metaphors. Chapter 33 Something I picked up on this time- Voldemort says the Death Eaters "knew the steps he took long ago, to protect himself from mortal death". Interesting- how much did they know, exactly!? The fact they laugh at the torture of a 14 year old boy is simply pathetic. We also learn animagi can understand their animal counterparts, as Wormtail spoke to rats in the forest in Albania. I wonder if they speak a different language to British rats? Did he resort to using gestures, like Fudge did with the Bulgarian Minister at the Quidditch World Cup? Just how did Voldemort turn into that pseudo-baby which gets dropped into the cauldron? The author called it "indescribable" and has refused to elaborate- any ideas?
Jake M
2024-11-01 20:53:41 +0000 UTCHi Veggie! Chapter 32: -One of the shortest chapters in the series is also one of the best-written! I like the disturbing descriptions of "baby Voldemort" and his resurrection. The movie also did a great job, which is rare lol. Chapter 33: -I understand the movie cutting a lot of the Voldemort monologue because it is loooong, but there are some very important moments I wish they had kept in. For instance when he talks about going further than anybody along the path to immortality, or the line about Voldemort wanting to use Harry's blood specifically. -It's funny that Voldemort's "reward" is giving Wormtail a hand he never would have needed to sacrifice if it wasn't for him lol. Do you think Voldemort has promised REAL rewards for death eaters, or why do they follow him? -Voldemort confirms the dementors are natural allies to them. It's clearly not well-known but it's so frustrating the ministry trusts them... -Crabbe and Goyle's clumsiness, how they only get one line of dialogue, and the way Voldemort scolds them is hilarious to me. They're like the older versions of their sons. At least they can say they've got more lines than their kids, who are yet to utter a word in the books đź -Wormtail is a much more capable wizard than what readers/characters give him credit for. He's been super useful to Voldemort!
Me Here
2024-11-01 20:27:27 +0000 UTCHey, Veggie, don't worry about only doing two chapters; 3 was only a suggestion. This part of the book is easily the most terrifying (I have edited my comment a bit, removing some spoilish commentary). I think the movie did it well; the book's tension is far more palpable. The extra details do so much more for the moment (and us, the reader). The terror Harry feels is an excellent reminder that he is only 14. JKR is very good at building tension in subtle ways. The climax is always some of her best writing in these books. Cheers, my friend!
Josh Z
2024-11-01 19:39:55 +0000 UTCGâday Veggie! Hope you are doing well! Before jumping into the HP stuff, I just wanted to say thank you. You have an excellent ability to post these videos when am planning to visit my parents which means I have something lovely to listen to on the 2 hour drive. Cheers, mate! Chapter 32 âLord Voldemort had risen again.â That line gave me chills! Thatâs the moment these books stopped being childrenâs books and moved firmly into the YA camp. Chapter 33 When Voldy was talking about the missing death eaters, he mentions one too cowardly to return, one who has left him forever and his most faithful. Who do you think those three people are? We now know why Harry has to go back to the Dursleys every summer. Itâs to keep the protection spell going that Dumbledore set up when he was a baby. Iâm not sure if the movies explained that. Love from Australia
Cj Hayes
2024-11-01 18:33:32 +0000 UTCAnd this, ladies and gentleman, was the scene that made me wet myself as a kid. The german version of the audiobook was my first entry to Harry Potter ever (yes, i started with book 4). I was 7 years old when i listened to these chapters in bed right before sleeping. I already was half asleep when Voldemort spoke for the first time... in the german audiobook he has a really deep voice with an echo effect. i was so terrified at that moment... i think i never finished this book until several years later when i did a proper restart with book 1.
Benjamin HĂŒtz
2024-11-01 17:28:19 +0000 UTCHey Veggie and Woozle! Chapter 32: - I can picture this chapter in my head perfectly and see exactly how a book accurate version of this would be filmed for a movie/series. Itâs terrifying, I hope they lean into the horror aspect of this scene. I do think the movie did a good job here though, Voldemorts portrayal was the most terrifying in the series here, in my opinion. For a book accurate Voldemort face, you should check out the original design for the Philosophers stone movie! Chapter 33: - We learn about Voldemortâs family and how tragic it is. I wish this was kept in the movie, it fleshes him out so much more as a villain. He clearly suffered from complex PTSD as a child, I know weâre supposed to hate him but I just feel sad for him. What did you think? Was there anything you didnât expect in these chapters?
Steven
2024-11-01 15:53:45 +0000 UTC
