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The Delta Flyers - DS9 If Wishes Were Horses 115 Video

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

This week’s episode is, If Wishes Were Horses, hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, and Terry Farrell.

If Wishes Were Horses: The crew investigate readings of unusually high thoron emissions coming from the plasma field in their area of space.

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Comments

As a Chicago Cubs fan, I can tell you that prior to 2016 at the end of the season/year the sentiment was "next year is the year". Given the love of baseball that runs through this show I smiled when Buck says that.😀

Carrie Schwent

Great episode

Harmony through Time Mighty Mouse

Wait! There was really a bakery in NYC that sold muffin tops just like the episode of Seinfeld??? Terry's reaction to Jadzia and her double had me laughing right along with her!

Dee McGee

The aliens manifest reality based on the imagination of those people they are meeting.

Constance

Love this episode. Baseball, nuff said.

Constance

Don’t see why everyone picks on Bashir for flirting. He is young, no family, no friends and he’s trying to build a life. Gotta try.

Constance

This was your basic high-concept sci-fi episode, where the concept was ‘what if imagination became reality.’ So the plot hole that needed filling was how did the aliens create this environment. Because clearly the altered reality came and went with them. My personal plot-onium: When the three aliens traveled, they traveled with a ship that caused Dax’s initial anomaly readings AND also generated a ‘variable reality’ field. This is like the reality stone in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. What was believed to be reality by the subjects under study BECAME reality (with an assumed failsafe that ultimately would protect the aliens). Buc said human imagination was stronger than they’d ever experienced before. Which is why things got so out of hand. Once Sisko told everyone to ignore the altered reality, no NEW changes existed. But, for example, if a dish had broke before, it was still broken once the variable reality field was removed. Thus if Molly and Keiko were transported to ops with the field in effect, they were still there when it was removed. The variable reality field was removed by the aliens when they realized Sisko and company were no longer going to participate. The experiment was over. But the aliens could still project themselves as they wished. Simple. Now, as a long-time sci-fi fan, I can chalk this all up to ‘the aliens and their ship did this’ and ignore the any plot holes. But if you are not used to that much suspension of disbelief, it’s a harder sell. The old Internet meme of this was ‘a wizard did it.’ Same concept. These aliens were exotic enough that we had no usual rules and thus could be put in the ‘wizard’ category.

SnazzyO

They mentioned the station & where everything was, so I had to look it up. The 'core' of the station is where Ops is, the Promenade & the living quarters or the habitat ring.

JoBud

And have likely been together fewer years than Paris and Torres had, or at most an equal amount of time, given they were married in 1991/during TNG season four. (And given Keiko's super-mature wedding day behavior, thank you tv relationship writing of the era, I'm doubting they'd been together for years and years beforehand. 😬) Molly's age was just accelerated a bit between her birth in fall of 1991 (TNG 5x05) and DS9's pilot (January 1993), so despite the series' overlapping, it looks like they've been married longer than they have.

Jenny

That will come up in a few episodes, at least.

Jenny

That was great seeing the funny faces while Garrett is explaining his perspective on the episode.

Christopher Collins

Terry is adorable! Loved her intro!

Lisa Minnesma

To answer your question about the layout of the station: The legs are indeed the pylons. The outer ring around the middle is called the Docking ring. The runabouts are stored here, the cargo bays are here etc. The next ring working in to the center is called the Habitat Ring. This is where all the crew and guest quarters are. The area in the middle of the station has Ops at the top, and underneath it is the Promenade.

Josh Maibor

I'm with Terry on this one - this episode is just a fun ride and I always enjoy it on a rewatch. As much as I like serious stories and emotional character driven episodes with depth, the occasional bit of silliness is what makes Trek great too -and DS9 especially, I feel like the moniker of 'the darker Trek' doesn't really do justice to the fact that it was often the most comedic Trek! I also really liked the reveal that these aliens were exploring the galaxy in their own way. But I do agree that giving us a bit more insight into that or who they were would have made it a stronger episode. The "maybe next year" also implies they could come back, but as Robbie guessed we never see them again lol

Ria

Agreed. The concept isn't hard to figure out if you're paying attention. They would disappear because there were only a few aliens. One that was being the birds would become Quark's women, so the birds would disappear and the women would appear. It's not that tough to get. And they were both imagination and real because the aliens were taking something from someone's imagination and manifesting it in reality. I feel like Robbie misses something important now and then and blames the writers for it. It's not the first time.

MG

My understanding of this episode was that the "figments" came and went under the rules set by the visiting aliens. They were doing it to test the station inhabitants to find out how they react to different situations. I don't think the aliens necessarily intended to always make logical sense when doing so.

Jeremy Sessions

I know Bashir only briefly tried to scan “Terry” at the beginning, but is it possible their species doesn’t really show up on tricorders?

Becky Messer

This episode is not hard to understand at all. The aliens have the capability to see the crew's imaginations or fantasies and then make them into reality sometimes using themselves as fodder. The aliens then observe the responses of the person who had the fantasy and that is how they get to know the races they encounter. Sometimes the things they make real (like the fire and the anomaly) are created out of thin air. These things that the aliens make can come and go as they please like when Sexy Dax disappears after Julian says he does not have time for her. They realize no more information from him will be coming so she vanishes. When these fantasies become real, they can be read by the sensors on the station because they are now real. The anomaly is not just a fantasy projection, it is real and can be measured. As noted, the only change is when Keiko and Molly are made to appear in ops. If the aliens can create real things out of thin air, then I would assume that they have the power to make real things that already existed move around like Keiko and Molly. The aliens could have made fakes of them to trigger Miles but didn't. In the long run it does not matter. The so called "rules" of this episode were NOT changed for the story and it was not hard to understand. 10,000 cool points to Terry for finally say enough to the complaining. The outside ring is the docking ring and the pylons are the docking pylons. You can see various ships "docked" at the pylons including the Enterprise in the pilot episode. You can also see many ships docked with the ring in many episodes. This is also where the Runabout ships are kept. The inner ring is the habitat ring and that is where people live. No one lives in the docking ring and pylons but many people work there, and they were the ones being evacuated. I think calling the use of a leprechaun "a racist trope" is a bit much but it is however, a bit too on the nose. The use of Rumpelstiltskin is a better fit anyway because the whole story of Rumpelstiltskin is him trying to steal a child.

ST Fan CB

Another great show, delta flyers. Terry's performances are definitely the best part of the episode for me. Though I do after with Robbie that the rules are inconsistent and didn't really make sense. It's a testament to how good the DS9 cast is, especially Terry, that this episode was still fun to watch despite the issues with the story.

Wrestling With Gaming

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Buck_Bokai Next year, Buck Bokai will be playing with the London Kings. :D

Cindy Converse

Miles and Keiko O’Brien were introduced by Data on the Enterprise and were married on the Enterprise in Tenforward.

ChrisB

Happy birthday! Live long and prosper 🖖🏻

Wrestling With Gaming

FWIW Mercenary Alien Dude is named Gar ijs

Tashicat

I have been a Trekkie for 30+ years and I never realized that they utilized “hand stand-ins”. Great info!!

Vicky Thompson

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Fifi Gabel

The baseball is very significant IMO. extremely symbolic later in season six.

Karen Chuplis

It was hilarious.

Karen Chuplis

Oh and the baseball comment made want to tell you something so badly but I can’t. 😂😂😂😂

Karen Chuplis

I really always enjoy this one. I get some of your points. But I feel like these aliens can access imagination and simultaneously experience that and be themselves. Almost mixed yet separate. I felt stuff changed and disappeared was because they only had so much energy and the could only manifest as long as people weren’t actively shutting out those ideas. You guys should get a DS9 blueprint!

Karen Chuplis

We have quite a ways to go before the end of season 2 and an in-universe explanation for Jadzia standing with her hands behind her back. I enjoy that episode ("Facets") for several reasons.

Don Eitner

Nice.

Don Eitner

I did

Robert Allen Stiffler

I got to the extra Actor in Garrett's reaction. Priceless

Donna S Runyon

Did you notice Garrett's dog totally bypassing the gate

Donna S Runyon

Kealy!!! 🤣🤣🤣

Janet K Harlow

In addition to explaining the layout of the station to them, someone also needs to tell them that they keep using 26-hour segments because Bajor has a 26 hour day and they are on Bajoran time.

Denise Ogier

This episode was laugh out loud funny for me! I loved it and the cast was great!❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍

ChrisB

Loved it! The Promenade is the ring under ops. You can see it in the final scene of the final episode.

Stevie Moore

The "extra actor" during Garrett reaction video was awesome, literally made me laugh out loud

Martin D

But the part of the station this picture labels as the promenade isn't it either, the promenade is the smaller white ring right in the center with the struts sticking out.

Phillip Grischa

Terry is an absolute delight ❤️

Cory (1701)

No Garret the entire huge outer ring is NOT the promenade. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4e/e7/84/4ee784929901f2ea759954841e28d07b.png

Jonathan Beresford

I'm with Robbie again, this episode was hard to get through for me. It was just baaaad. Especially considering the amazing episodes the future seasons bring

Jonathan Beresford

Hahahaha Nala escaping through the gate behind Garrett is amazing! I hope George makes a cameo in Garrett's reaction videos next! Also, I'm super happy the hosts found the phrasing of my emu question to be "emusing".

Steph Lee

Ok, I have to say, I loved the extra "actor" during Garrett's video reaction! Literally made me laugh out loud!

Steve Lugo

"If Wishes were Horses" was a very wild and hilarious thrill ride of an episode about imaginations running amok. My favorite scenes were Odo corralling the dungee jackdaws (played by emus), Quark's dream women and when Odo discovers that he does have an imagination after imagining Quark in a holding cell. I also love the ending scene between Captain Sisko and Buck Bokai; it was a very poignant ending scene with foreshadowing of the baseball that always shows up on Sisko's desk later on in the series.

Nicole Brettell

Thanks so much for the birthday wishes. ❤️

Chris Knapp

Imagination comes to life, oh mamma mia! It brings an imp, a ballplayer, and an extra Jadzia There's an emu, and a promenade rabble, And after a lot of techno-babble All the figments disappear - See ya!

Jeremy Taylor

Happy new episode!

Peggy


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