The Delta Flyers - Repentance 713 Video
Added 2023-05-15 04:00:59 +0000 UTCThe Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Repentance. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.
Repentance:
Voyager rescues a prison warden and a set of prisoners that are scheduled to be executed testing their own ethical beliefs.
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Comments
I agree we should only argue the facts of the case, not gender, not race, only facts.
Dee McGee
2024-10-11 00:41:51 +0000 UTCMany serial killers had a brain injury when they were young. Exceptions occur like Ted Bundy and BTK. The Golden State Killer witnessed his sister being raped and was physically abused by his father but I don’t think he had any brain injuries.
Adele Lara
2024-08-24 05:04:23 +0000 UTCI believe Garrett is so wrong when it comes down to America does the most racial biasism other countries are way worse to the point that they won't allow certain races to live in their country so to point out that a country that accepts any race any religion and biased towards a certain race is subjected and very narrow thinking now lifestyle is a totally different subject.
Jeremiah Franz
2024-04-12 18:55:26 +0000 UTCI thought it was a good episode with a couple of flaws. Let me get those out of the way: 1) I agree, not enough of the crew involved 2) Making Joleg a schmuck was okay but I really wish Neelix had made a more clear distinction: ‘You’re right about how unfair and biased the Nygean system is, but I read the report - you were going to kill Yediq. Your species is treated unjustly, but you personally belong in prison.’ Why? Because I didn’t like the potential conflation of such an enormous racial injustice with an actual bad person. It’s true it happens but some in our society actually would let Joleg’s guilt justify his species treatment. I didn’t think that could be true, but the last 8 years have made it obvious how blind some people are. Good stuff: - Jeff Kober was A+ - I felt real pain from Seven’s situation. This was about violence against others, she was the right focus. And I desperately wanted Janeway to hug her. I give this a 7.3. Good Flyer podcast. Weighty discussions. Lots of insights.
SnazzyO
2024-01-12 16:17:33 +0000 UTCI think some folks who worked on the show bought a crane and it was rented to the series (I assume at good rates).
SnazzyO
2024-01-12 15:59:30 +0000 UTCIt bugs me that the cells are on that single power source...power cuts off often enough. Seems like this should of been a no brainer
Labrek
2024-01-10 00:14:43 +0000 UTCI don't believe utopias can work in real life, but people seem to be forgetting that part of the conceit of Star Trek is that they ARE in somwhat of a utopia, and that we've conquered racism. poverty, stupid wars, AND most all mental illness according to talk in Next Gen. Everyone's ethos is quite advanced. So that also factors into this idea of having the family of the victim pass sentence. First off, we already ask for victim and family input into sentencing RIGHT NOW. And it isn't a free-for-all because the choice is between certain sentencing guidlines already laid out in law. Neither the sentencing judge, the jury, or the family can ask for torture or anything, only the choices available legally, which, as has been pointed out, don't even involve the death penaly already in many states or countries, and when death is on the table, we already have certain ways it is administered. It was obvious in the episode that the society in question had legal guidlines and precedents in place--there was no sense that the family could ask for weird revenge fetishes. Neelix's research didn't turn up any extreme punishments, just racial inequity. So the ethical questions about this should have stayed in the Trek world as imagined, or the real world, not some random fantasy world. In the past of human history, it often WAS families of vicitims who were judge, jury, and executioner. And we know that horrific brutalities did often take place. But it's still not an entire free-for-all in any human society. You always have to face your neighbors after you do something. In an extremely brutal society, you are going to think and want a brutal revenge maybe, and get away with it. In a kinder, gentler society you wouldn't be allowed to get away with it, and may even be raised to think that being merciful is better. Right now there are tribal societies, and technologically advanced societies, of both the more brutal, and the more gentle varieties, and everything in between in our real world. Just like with sentencing by Judge, by a predertemined legal standard, or by family, what actually happens is usually going to be more reflective of the society as a whole than of one family in particular. We used to have brutal pushishments, and now most are illegal by virtue of being considered immoral. The whole Anglo-Saxon legal code from which ours has descended, allowed for a lot of paying blood money fines for killing people instead of incarceration or death. I'm not saying that's better, but a discussion about the ideas raised in the episode needs to be aware of all these things. And outside of utopia, there will always be unjust inequities. But we should end as many of them as we can. One of those inequities is of centering the welfare of the criminal over restoring the victims as much as possible. Money can't bring back the dead, but what if murder carried a huge fine paid to the family of the victim, in addition to any other consequences meeted out?
Angela Conley
2023-12-17 02:41:56 +0000 UTCThe gum thing is irritating as hell, and it's super gross seeing it flop around in his mouth!
Craig Drebit
2023-06-27 21:23:39 +0000 UTCNOT EVEN GENDER? COMEON ROBBIE! YOU GUYS ARE LIVING IN FANTASY LAND.
Eddie Ordaz
2023-06-08 18:48:34 +0000 UTCRidiculous B story line. First, the character of Neelix is supposed to be this cagey, street wise trader living by his wits in his little one man craft. Here they turn him into a gullible wanna be do gooder which is 180 degrees away from who he is. Second, this is a repeat of the lesson Neelix learned just a season ago in Live Fast and Prosper where he was the victim of a con also out of character for him. So in the space of 20 or so episodes, we have two instances of Neelix playing a naïve buffoon instead of his usual character traits. How is it that a shuttle sized ship managed to do so much damage to Voyager? Also, would not the "enhanced brig" have its own independent power system for the force fields? Only 2 of many ridiculous things about this episode. Be careful about proposing blind trials not using gender or race. What about age as well? Could that be applied to college applications thereby wiping out any affirmative action? The ratings given for this episode prove again that there is not rhyme or reason. Ratings seem to be given based on the mood of the person and no quantifiable data. More gum smacking.
ST Fan CB
2023-06-07 20:43:12 +0000 UTCDid I completely remember wrong that they bought a crane after the Olympics?
Heidi Lebrón
2023-05-24 21:35:02 +0000 UTCLoved that ending with the hungry with the action figures.
Christopher Collins
2023-05-17 22:15:10 +0000 UTCI love the Kid with Charlie Chaplin. I never made that connection as Uncle Fester in the Adams Family
Christopher Collins
2023-05-17 22:00:40 +0000 UTCI am surprised with this title they did not make it a episode about B’Elanna Torres or Chakotay about something in the Maquis, or something about Neelix and something he remembers he regrets.
Christopher Collins
2023-05-17 21:58:53 +0000 UTCI like Garrett’s idea Of Tom Paris and Tuvok chasing Harry Kim saying sorry for being promoted before Harry Kim.
Christopher Collins
2023-05-17 21:54:32 +0000 UTCI liked this episode In how this was not a black and white episode. I also like this concept of Borg Nanoprobes used to activate a conscious even though it was not intended. I thought this episode was unique.
Christopher Collins
2023-05-17 21:53:11 +0000 UTCThat’s low Robbie, too low
Mike Joyce
2023-05-16 23:39:25 +0000 UTCI was super surprised some folks got romance vibes. I’m with Garrett. I had absolutely no feeling of romance there. That’s really interesting. This was a much better watch for me than previously. In fact I don’t often watch it because I associate bad feelings with it. But I believe it’s because in first watch I thought Iko would be pardoned. He was a lovely character. I was a tad impatient with Neelix being SO friendly with the prisoners but I get they were framing the two situations. I disagree it would have been better or more interesting to put his B plot as the A plot. He simply was not the compelling character that Iko was (IMO). To me it was a solid rating 7 ep. Well done, difficult ethical questions, explored well and over all solid.
Karen Chuplis
2023-05-15 19:22:22 +0000 UTCAnd JAG is specifically referenced in Measure of a Man by the judge ( an old Picard flame. Also that actress is a cabaret singer and wrote the famous song “The Rose”). I have constantly said I would totally be behind a series or movie about Star Trek JAG. I think it would be great.
Karen Chuplis
2023-05-15 19:10:57 +0000 UTCRegarding the ELH and lawyers/court in the Trek universe - there are lots of courtroom dramas in Trek, going all the way back to the Original Series episode Court Martial, which probably features the most memorable lawyer character in Trek, Samuel T. Cogley, defending Kirk. Most other Trek episodes feature a series regular acting as legal counsel, for instance: - TOS The Menagerie (Spock making a case for Captain Pike in front of a Starfleet tribunal) - TNG Measure of A Man (the famous "Is Data Sentient" case, with Picard and Riker making opposing arguments) - TNG The Drumhead (classic Picard speech against letting fear and personal agendas use the legal system for their own ends) - DS9 Dax (Sisko trying to establish whether a Trill is responsible for crimes of a past host) - DS9 Tribunal (O'Brien put on predetermined-guilty trial in a Cardassian court with Odo serving as his legal counsel) and of course there are a couple of Voyager episodes where Tuvok was mainly used as the lawyer, eg: - Death Wish - Ex Post Facto (These are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head - can you tell I've been watching way too much Trek during the pandemic 😂)
SM Rosenberg
2023-05-15 17:53:40 +0000 UTCThis episode could have worked better for me with emotionally charged court room scenes rather than prisoner cell block set scenes littered throughout. Trek has done some great ones like the measure of a man and drumhead.
David Turner
2023-05-15 14:56:45 +0000 UTCThe Doc proclaims to "do no harm" (Hippocratic oath) but doesn't seem to care if someone else "does harm" to others (even having come to his defence) even though he said those guys couldn't harm him.
Andrew Murray
2023-05-15 11:32:53 +0000 UTCfor child actors, 15% of the pay goes into the trust fund a according to the Californian Child Actors''s Bill (1939) which also included rules about time-off, schooling and working hours. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Coogan
Andrew Murray
2023-05-15 11:21:07 +0000 UTCJackie Coogan worked as a child actor alongside Charlie Chaplain in “The Kid”. He went on to play Uncle Fester in the original Addams Family TV series.
Chris Knapp
2023-05-15 04:33:53 +0000 UTC
