So, Should We Make Some Sci Fi Releases?
Added 2021-07-08 12:01:01 +0000 UTCHello dear Patrons,
As the co-founder and creative director of Raging Heroes, as promised I would like to give you some insight about the topic of SciFi models on our Patreon.
This is going to be a long answer, but you'll get all the naked truth about this delicate topic. Please make sure to read to the end to get all the various facets of this complex problem and more than anything HOW YOU CAN HELP TO SOLVE IT !!
We LOVE Sci Fi!
The first thing is that we, the Raging Heroes Team, would LOVE to do more SciFi on Patreon.
And I mean all kinds of SciFi:
Firefly-like western style sci fi, 40k gothic type sci fi, retro steampunk/dieselpunk sci fi, Star Wars space opera style sci fi, anime sci fi with giant robots and super sleek body suits, psychedelic 60s Barbarella sci fi, etc…
Being able to change themes and universe and timeframe every month is a dream because it is so refreshing, creatively speaking.
But It Has Been a Fail...
When we did the Cyberpunk release, we were all so excited because it was so different and so good. And the video we made for that release was so epic with its 80s vibe and the collab we did with the synthwave producer Meteor!
And yet it was somehow a disappointment.
It was our biggest patron dropout ever, we got a lot of negative feedback in the style of "I don't give a shit about that crap" and in the end, very few people showed interest in us developing what we think is an awesome Cyberpunk setting with a very unique twist.
However, we still think this is one of our best releases ever.
When we launched Heroes Infinite, we genuinely thought that we would have a SciFi theme every 3 or 4 releases. But until now, the vast majority of the community has decided otherwise.
What are the numbers?
In the end the reason for the reaction to our Cyberpunk release is simple: in the first 6 months of this Patreon, about 80% of the people on Patreon just want DnD compatible stuff.
This was not a 60 / 40 situation between fantasy and sci fi, this was a crushing majority of people!
The poll we did last month showed much different numbers. It looks like only 26% of you don’t want to hear about SciFi at all. It is a much better number. However, as I explained in the video breakdown of the poll, this number has to be tampered by several additional factors. For the reasons explained in the video, we think the truth is closer to 50%.
This is better but still not great.
But it is true that we could say: "Well, we don't care, this month we are doing whatever pleases us or what some of our hardcore fans have been waiting for for a long time, even if it is not as popular"
So how can you help solving that problem? I'm coming to that in a minute.
This is a tough business and we are not the ones choosing.
You have to keep in mind that even if we are dealing with games and toys and cool stuff, RH is the business each member of the team depends on for a living.
It is the revenue source that pays the bill of about 20 people every month, nearly double that if you add some of our suppliers who work nearly exclusively for us.
For the very first time after 10 years of existence, Raging Heroes has started to be slightly profitable this year. It means that once we've paid all the people in the team, all the company expenses, all the bank loans, taxes and other exciting stuff, for the first time after 10 years, we can go to sleep without being scared about how we will pay what's owed next week!
And boy, we have been VERY scared for a long long time! Yes, even after making super successful Kickstarters!!
The cost of making our beloved little toys (especially with the level of creativity and quality we are committed to) is extremely high compared to the size of our audience.
That is why we are not really the ones choosing what we will create next month. At this time we cannot yet afford this luxury.
We poll you every month because we need to make sure that as many people as possible will get what they want with the next release.
And in a way it is as it should be, it is great that most people can get what they are looking for and it is also a healthy challenge for us: As much as most of the team was excited with the prospect of a Greek release, I personally had very little affinity with it.
And yet we've released two sets back to back! And for me it was a great opportunity to reconnect with these myths and find a way to express them with my personal style.
So does that mean no Sci Fi? Absolutely not!
So does that mean that the dice are cast and the vast majority of DnD players will out vote SciFi forever?
I absolutely don't think so.
(And this is where you can help. Bear with me, I'm nearly there).
You have to keep in mind that the wargaming and RPG 3D printing community is still in its infancy and that Raging Heroes has been part of this for only 1 year!
This is a VERY short period!
Give us a little bit of time to get all our ducks in line and once it is done, I can assure you you'll get some SciFi releases soon. More on that below.
Working extra hard to make our Patreon offer wider and more efficient.
Many of you are suggesting we could run a second Patreon dedicated to SciFi. Of course this is something we want to do!
But let's be honest: the upcoming June release is the first one since the beginning of Heroes Infinite we've been able to finish at the date we had planned.
We are getting closer to being able to launch a second Patreon, but there are only so many hours in the day. At this time it is still very often that we have to work 10-12 hours a day (and for myself, sometimes even more!), 6 days a week.
And it is very hard to find the right artists and management people to make the team grow.
So we are working to make all this better.
If you follow our regular range in our physical shop, you probably have noted we've released very few new items this year and most of them were based on Patreon releases.
This is definitely not our choice, we have tons of ideas we want to work on and release as physical products (and not only miniatures, but also games and all kinds of exciting stuff). But building the team, the workflows and the general infrastructure for the Patreon has left us with very little time for anything else.
We did a single other project outside Patreon, the Wizards Christmas crowdfunding project. It was great, but the additional workload left the team in a concerning level of exhaustion, even if we had a few additional people on board with us for this one.
But… What kind of SciFi?
Another problem with SciFi is the massive amount of styles and subgenres it covers.
We did CyberPunk and it was not a big success. It means that amongst those of you who said “I want SciFi” some were definitely not interested in Cyberpunk.
And we fear this situation might repeat itself with other SciFi subgenres.
It means that even if today it looks like only 26% of you are not interested in SciFi, there is a good chance that when we pick a specific SciFi subgenre, we end up with about half of you being disappointed.
So we are going to run another poll just about that in the next few weeks.
We can’t wait to show you everything we have in our closet!
Long story short, I think the market keeps on evolving and already more and more SciFi fans are doing 3d printing. And on our end, our Patreon pipeline is becoming a better well oiled machine every week.
So yes, there will be SciFi done by Heroes Infinite. I think it should happen before Christmas. Just give us a little bit of time to blow our first candle and get everything in line for the coming months.
If you could see how much stuff we have on the backburner: games, Kickstarter projects, Raging Heroes goodies, tons of Toughest Girls of the Galaxy and so many other things…
You really think we don't want to release all this cool stuff and some SciFi minis on Patreon?!?
You bet we do!
Raging Heroes is at a delicate stage of growth and we don't want to mess it up. We have to be patient for just a little bit longer and soon, you might get even more than you can chew ;)
Why not release the regular Raging Heroes’ range on Patreon? There is a very good reason for that!
Finally, some of you say that we should make our regular range available on Patreon. While it makes sense, you have to take into account a very big concern shared by all the Patreon creators: piracy
We have worked extremely hard for 10 years to develop characters and the full blown universe and massive storylines that go with them.
We literally have invested everything we had in that endeavor and at this time, we cannot put this content at risk of piracy, especially considering all the projects we have with them.
This may very well change soon though, as a lot of people are working on how to secure the 3d printable files and minimize the risk of piracy.
So, how can we make it happen together?
I hope this long message has answered all your questions.
In any case, even your frustrated messages show us how much you care and we cannot thank you enough for that ongoing support.
And so this is where I tell you how YOU can totally transform this situation:
Currently, we think there would be around 50% of you guys who would get excited by a specific Scifi release.
IF EACH ONE OF YOU WOULD ONLY BRING 1 FRIEND to subscribe to Heroes Infinite, suddenly making a SciFi release would totally make sense business wise.
At the moment, there are so many creators on Patreon that it is challenging to make the Heroes Infinite audience grow. By just doing that, you would open a whole new range of possibilities to us.
And imagine what we could do if you were to bring 2 friends…. The sky's the limit.
You’ve got a first taste in July...
While we are polishing Heroes Infinite's pipeline, YOU can bring in the fuel that will make anything possible!
And on our end, we are also setting up new things to make sure you’ll get some SciFi as soon as possible.
We know that many of you would like some traditional Raging Heroes style SciFi. That is why for the July release we created the Martyr’s Reliquary Procession . It is something that works well for the fantasy fans and yet can be used in your favorite Grimdark setting.
Whenever we can, we’ll try to do more stuff like that.
Believe me when I say we work VERY hard to please you and we are sincerely sorry if you are feeling somewhat let down at the moment. I can guarantee you it won't stay like that in the future!!
All the best,
Benoit
Comments
I'm personally here for D&D/fantasy, so I'm afraid in the group that has no use for sci-fi or cyberpunk and prefers to drop out of subs for those months to support other artists too. It's a shame it's not practical to offer two Patreons/different tiers, as that would be ideal.
Donna Crawford
2021-09-01 18:21:17 +0000 UTCNew patron as of today, my miniatures background is exclusively 40k. I would LOVE to see sci-fi as it excites me immensely more than fantasy. However I have a long D&D history (not been playing much in the last… decade) and the Wizard’s Guild release + the fact you’re the folks behind the Toughest Girls series got me to sign up. I am super excited for next releases, especially fun terrain pieces like the wizard’s tower!
Feb
2021-08-14 12:52:21 +0000 UTCPls try to add something that "no scifi" gamers could use if u do
Dastin Hoffmann
2021-08-02 03:17:41 +0000 UTCThe whole reason I became a Patreon and have stuck around was that cyberpunk release.
Shadow Tardis
2021-07-31 20:54:43 +0000 UTCI just love your TGG stuff. And I loved the way your last KS campaign had many (most?) of the factions and armies in both fantasy and sci-fi styles. This might be the way you could start injecting sci-fi into your Patreon releases. Create variations of some models in both formats, fantasy with clothing/armor and hand-weapons, and another version that swaps in guns and tech. This worked so well IMO for the Sisters and Elves lines before you started the Patreon.
Jeff Neely
2021-07-30 23:30:23 +0000 UTCIn general I do prefer fantasy, but the cyberpunk set is probably my favorite of your releases. I'd love to see more of that, or some Infinity-style stuff, or as one of the other commenters mentioned something DooM-related. These are all under-served possibilities, almost all of the sci-fi stuff you find is all grimdark, ruined, 40k-style stuff which does not interest me personally in the least. As far as fantasy goes, I would love to see more elves of any type.
Starlight
2021-07-30 19:32:41 +0000 UTCAs a warhammer 40k player, I love your Sisters and Elves. I would love to have something like that a next month. I am following this Patreon for a few months but have just subscribed this month because for the first time I have seen a good army starter for something like warhammer AOS for example. But I would love to see something I could play in warhammer 40k. It could also be something modular that you can easily convert from fantasy to grim dark futur or using a common base (like dark elves for example).
Abanon
2021-07-28 20:24:03 +0000 UTCOkay, so what if every month you include a scifi miniature or two in line with that month's theme? Like Cyber Dwarf, Victorian Knight, Scifi Wizard or Space Pirate etc.
Peter Sykora
2021-07-28 03:04:36 +0000 UTCI liked the detail in the sci-fi release, but it felt cheap that a lot were essentially "reskins" of existing models. I know there is a lot of additional work involved, but it felt like a cop out and a "lazy" option rather than a brand new release. A nice alternative might be to make a sci-fi version of two or three of the heroes every month, so that it builds up over time? Or make a smaller five dollar Patreon for a sci-fi reskin of the best models from that month.
Pipskovich
2021-07-26 19:40:57 +0000 UTCi feel like scifi would be very fun. given i have been on a doom eternal trip lately i feel like something along that matter? cyber demons and all that fun things. (might satisfy those wanting fantasy stuff but also scifi elements.
Zerris
2021-07-23 13:29:36 +0000 UTCI personally would love more sci-fi stuff! The cyberpunk set is one of my favorites!
Sean Whitley
2021-07-22 22:58:09 +0000 UTCI run a few modern campaigns, cyberpunk and other modern sets would be amazing!!! Maybe a "time travel" month where there are little groups from each era? that way the party poopers that just want swords can still have a cool group and some files that they can print when they decide to branch out? I drooled when I saw the rocker pic. I'd be so psyched!
Ali McGregor
2021-07-21 16:56:29 +0000 UTCSorry to hear the cyberpunk set was not well recieved. I just signed up and I'd love to see more sets like that in the future!
Deepweb
2021-07-21 00:55:11 +0000 UTCyou'd be able to go I to the a kill team or necromunda style host of minis no problem at all, lots of options in either game system for all sizes of mini's and scenery
John Goldie
2021-07-19 20:21:10 +0000 UTCWhen they started it, we expected and were told sci fi would be part of it.
Ashley Beech
2021-07-19 10:21:24 +0000 UTCI just joined as a new patron, while i am very happy with the models available this month i was disappointed to find out that I couldn't BUY any of the Sci-Fi sets to print. I am likely to buy the "Angels of the Empyrean" Full pack anyway just for conversions, but i was really hoping for some of your sci-fi game mini's. And while i like the looks of some of the Cyberpunk ones they would just be a nice piece of artwork. One thing is if being a Partron has no bonuses for Sci-fi gamers and a huge chunk of products on the main store focus on that ...it would be nice to warn potential patrons first.
Caffinated1
2021-07-18 22:55:37 +0000 UTCIf I can add my late thoughts onto the pile... The biggest factor in whether or not you'll succeed with sci-fi models on here is if you successfully pick a lane and stick with it. The problem with the cyberpunk release was: what good were those models? Were they supposed to be for gaming? What games? What IP? Minis are for gaming, statuettes and busts are for painters and shelf decoration, which lane are you in? Sci-fi is a big genre, and each sub-genre of it already has IPs with certain styles that won't mix with other looks. And the number of people who want a patch work of different unrelated sci-fi miniatures is going to be pretty small. Again, you gotta pick a lane. Do you want to do 40K/Necromunda/Inquisitor compatible? Do you wanna do Star Wars compatible? Do you wanna do Cyberpunk 2077 compatible? If you don't pick one then you're going to end up appealing to no one except for hardcore fans who just like your models as small statuettes and will be happy with anything so long as it has your distinct style done well. And the thing is, GW has done some interesting, genre-expanding stuff with their models in their Forge World Necromunda range and so on. You could do Cyberpunk in 40K. Or Mad Max in 40K. You can do a lot of things with it, but it's got to still look 40K. I can right now envision a release by you guys which lights up long-time Warhammer collectors and is an instant success because you give them models which they've always wanted (maybe even if they didn't know they wanted them). But that would rely on you strongly appealing to a specific group, namely miniature gamers who like 40K. Or it could be Star Wars, etc. The problem with not picking an IP to piggyback on and just doing something original within sci-fi is that people won't have existing model collections to use with them, and they won't see what the point of buying them and printing them out is, because they won't be used in games. And unless you're going to release a hundred STLs to just barely flesh out a new setting in the first month, it just isn't going to be a success. You have to pick a lane and follow it. Be creative within your choices, but pick a lane.
Frank Lee
2021-07-17 20:51:25 +0000 UTCAnother possibility is have a split each month, I see two possibilities - a higher Pledge level that adds some SF models each month, maybe $15 for the higher level. The other is to not increase the price but have two or three SF models each month. Each has problems, and each requires splitting your efforts. Also, the higher pledge level might not be as enticing, so may not be worth the additional effort, depending on how successful it is.
Dennis O'Brien
2021-07-16 02:45:43 +0000 UTCA problem is that SF tends to be rather genre specific - space opera does not mesh well with cyberpunk which does not mesh well with grimdark which does not mesh with hard SF. I liked the cyberpunk set - but I also have a campaign on a back burner where they will, someday, be useful. Maybe pick a SF month that everyone knows will be SF? SF September, or something?
Dennis O'Brien
2021-07-16 01:12:41 +0000 UTCAnd I am saying that as someone that LIKES having SF releases, now and again - just don't pretend that every game set in Waterdeep suddenly needs a street samurai or a decker.
Dennis O'Brien
2021-07-16 01:08:21 +0000 UTCNo, you really can't 'always' use SF as a fantasy fan - it is much closer to 'hardly ever, with a few exceptions'.
Dennis O'Brien
2021-07-16 01:07:15 +0000 UTCAs a massive fan of Sci-fi stuff, I'd love to see some more Sci-fi releases, as it gives me more variety for narrative campaigns and even making my own rules for various board games I have. While I love Cyberpunk, it's just a lack of use of the theme. (I'd kill for some Steampunk stuff though... Steampunk elves would be 10/10)
ValkChronicle
2021-07-14 15:09:17 +0000 UTCLike most other responses here, I'm not against Sci-Fi but rather I had no use for the Cyberpunk aspect. I would use the hell out of Spelljammer style magitech/sci-fi models and some other sci-fi variants that would work in the settings I play in. My big thing with a lot of this, seperate from the sci-fi question, is that I have little ways of storage. I would love to see you all get on MMF finally where a lot of the other patreon subs link to.
RathofKelly
2021-07-14 14:00:43 +0000 UTCYes, more than happy to see more than just fantasy/mythological models
Aston Howes
2021-07-13 09:12:22 +0000 UTCAdmitedly I came across Raging Heroes by accident when looking for alternates for my 40k DE collection I love the void elves. I understand your reasoning for not releasing your catalogue but how about additions to those ranges like some Patreon only void elves or sisters that way you may get the best of both as the Patreon then may buy the originals to complete their collection from you. I Patreon due mainly to the now inhibitive cost of importing anything like miniatures to the UK following Brexit. Additionally I bought the Cyberpunk stuff as it looks amazing for the most part just have to find the time to print it now.
Big Kris Bee
2021-07-12 18:51:02 +0000 UTCI love your minis and I would love to see some sci-fi from you guys. My DnD group does a variety of genres and the hardest to find good models for is sci-fi. For me seeing your Raging Heroes site first made the fantasy only patreon a little disappointing, the models are beautiful so I do subscribe budget permitting but it wasn't what I was expecting. I would love if you could find a way to add in some sci-fi, especially some post apocalyptic, mad max style, we also play Rifts , and there's next to nothing that fits that bill. I do understand that as a business you need to go where the money is so I'll always support when I can. Looking through some of the other posts, I really like TommyAtkins idea of a smaller side patreon for sci-fi. You can scratch the sci-fi itch, without upsetting the dedicated Fantasy crowd. And I do agree that the 40k is over done, I want real sci-fi, not 40k.
Anne Rose
2021-07-12 18:07:21 +0000 UTCPatreon is in part about supporting the artist. I haven't loved every model you put out, nor should I. I like enough of them and use enough of them that it's worth supporting. There is no way on Earth I'd be able to print, paint, and use all of a single release in a year much less a month, but I like having this big collection to draw on.. (I tell my friends I no longer collect miniatures, I collect potential miniatures.) If money is the issue then I suggest modelling things that look like the might belong in the universe of a certain grim darkness in the far future wargame. It's really the only pool of potential customers that's big enough to rival the "all D&D all the time" crowd. Also anyone who insults your work because they don't want to subscribe on a given month is not a customer worth having in the long run. That kind of person will give you grief no matter what you do.
CURTIS CRADDOCK
2021-07-12 17:23:22 +0000 UTCThat's what it feels like to be on the sci-fi side... Heroes Infinite as a name doesn't imply that it's pure fantasy you know.
Marco Klitzing
2021-07-12 06:33:55 +0000 UTCIt would be great to see digital avatars of city block ads like seen in Blade runner. or digital avatars of hacking programs like in shadowrun.
Bobby Blanding
2021-07-11 16:21:45 +0000 UTCIf fantasy sells keep on doing fantasy. I love sci-fi too and I think it is really under represented. Here is another modeler I subscribe to that does two patrons, one fantasy and one cyberpunk. I don’t follow the cyberpunk (despite my love for the genre) because if people do sci-fi it is cyberpunk. It feels like the market is saturated and I would limit myself to buying onesies twosies rather than a monthly subscription. What I 100% WOULD subscribe to though is a smaller sci fi patron who explored a variety of genres like you mentioned. Popular ones could be revisited and “lines expanded” over time but is also allows for creativity that isn’t just more 40k ish stuff. (Which is cool to- but also really done everywhere). Anyway so my recommendation is do a second patron line 1/2 the price with 1/2 the models where you can explore a lot of creative ideas with less risk.
TommyAtkins
2021-07-11 13:57:05 +0000 UTCFantastic module and planning on running it soon.
Clive Henrick
2021-07-10 17:31:21 +0000 UTCI really love most of what you do, but to be honest I'm also usually conflicted on the models. Why? Because every release it's like you are trying to launch a new ip /gameworld. A part of me loves that creativity and loves to watch the models, another part of me is mourning the lost opportunities to integrate your models in the games I play. Cyberpunk is great and there's some cool ideas there, but then there's these neon signs stuck to them. You have very diverse characters but how do I bring them together. They seem to me to be tailored to 2 specific rpgs, but then the games workshop reflex came in "we have to make it our own; add skulls everywhere and scale up the shoulderpads" (but then in RH-style). Raging heroes look great but the models I personally love most are the realistic subtle ones. Give us knights that with some imagination might have be seen on middle aged battlefields, then blow us away with your big unique monster and over the top commanding hero. I love the mini's and I keep paying every month, but the ones I order individually from past releases are the ones I would field on the tabletop and that are the least specific in their setting.
Ben Baccaert
2021-07-10 10:20:23 +0000 UTCIf your a fantasy fan you can always use some scifi releases, old school D and D had expedition to the barrier peaks. So why not titulat both appetites by doing a set similar to that old adventure the exploration of a crashed space ship in a fantasy world. Could be a great introduction of new sci-fi elements and fantasy at the same time.
Darren
2021-07-10 03:45:41 +0000 UTCYour style is amazing so no arguments there. I myself am here for 9th Age/AoS units and characters. In regards to Sci-if it’s either 40k or Necromunda. That is all people play here. Otherwise it is skipped over. What I would like to see are more complete unit sculpts vs just all characters. Most important is that those units are both usable clearly as something but still be your own designs and direction.
Jon Letham
2021-07-10 02:48:01 +0000 UTCI'd say make a secondary account called "Heroes Sci-Fi. Those of us that joined based on your pure fantasy range would feel a bit swindled if we were paying for files we would never use every other month.
Rene Bird
2021-07-10 01:27:29 +0000 UTCI understand trying to target an audience, but I think you've kind of put yourself in a corner by doing almost strictly fantasy releases. If I join today, historically I can expect to see nothing but fantasy. So as a fantasy fan I would be upset if sci-fi were all of the sudden a usual release. If you feel passionate, take a hit and chase what you would like to do, while also continuing to ask your fans what they like. Currently you have nothing but fantasy fans, because that's all you release. I think if maybe you did scheduled sci-fi releases once every 3-4 months, or maybe sprinkle in a sci-fi unit or two every release. But those are two basic first thought options. I think of it as if I go to my favorite hotdog stand only to find out they are serving burgers today. The burgers are killer, I just didn't expect it. So maybe make yourself known as a stand that serves both. You'll take a hit at first, but be better for it in the end possibly. As another guy said, your forte is design - and the team is very good at it. For the record, I'm for more sci-fi.
ManlyMenz
2021-07-10 01:08:17 +0000 UTCMy opinion is that your desire to keep Everything in house besides this platform is hurting you. Your strength is design. The resin pieces that I have ordered from your store have been average to poor quality with many defects and almost always missing pieces. To your credit, you’ve always sent a replacement piece, but only when I’ve put in another order. Which means I have gone over a year with incomplete kits since I do not often chance the poor quality control. Why do I buy at all from your web store? The designs are great. I can get better miniatures of all of those designs off of my printer though. The minority of printer owners in the niche miniature market is swiftly moving to majority. Physical products will never become completely obsolete, but they need to exceed the quality of what I can easily produce myself with some digital file purchases. I don’t know the revenue you pull in from resin kit purchases on your store, but I wonder if you took a look at the overhead on that side of the business, you’re making money at all. Your post indicates that you are not. Creature Caster, one of your physical kit competitors, does not have this problem. Also, I have purchased from them frequently due to the quality of their physical product. So, I think you’re in a situation currently where you either have to increase the quality of your resin and quality control to get people like me, blessed with expendable income, to drop a thousand USD every other month for high quality proxy models, or you need to change your view on what your company is able to do strongly, which is designing amazing models. You’re going to chase that dragon of absolute public appeal and never catch it. A small segment of people back every large Kickstarter and have massive collections that they never touch. A larger, but still small group back everything that comes from a publisher out of brand loyalty. The vast majority invest where they see benefit. I’ll be gone next month if the theme doesn’t work for me. It’s not a personal attack, it’s a responsible allocation of my resources. If I’m going to take money away from benefiting my entire family to indulge in tiny toys, do you think I’m going altruistically sink those resources where I don’t even benefit from that? Do you suppose I love your company more than my children? So, after writing a book, my summary is: stop with the GW style protection racket and migrate to MMF like your successful competitors. If you put your tgg and other designs up there, even for a premium price, I’ll buy them and probably stay subbed just to get a discount code. Or your can keep doing what you’re doing which doesn’t seem to be working according to your post and insight into your company profitability.
Jacob Stacey
2021-07-09 23:34:56 +0000 UTCSorry this is long but I love you guys. The Cyberpunk set was awesome; I'm still printing & painting it :) . The Cyberpunk set was so creative and lively, you guys did a great job. I was extremely disappointed with the community backlash. I find it hard to relate to the community's expectations, as they seem unreasonably selfish; But if those guys are the majority then it's more important to give them what they want now, so that you can make what you want in the future. I know scifi will happen at some point, like if you're a wargamer you know Scifi is in HI's DNA, and it's only a matter of time. When the resources are available a sci-fi only pateron would be an awesome addition. I agree that it's best to wait till demand swells from the community, and you hit a member target that allows that to happen. Concerning the Classic line and piracy; Since it's your baby I recommend you release it when you're comfortable with the size of the market and the security surrounding stls. Let Your collection be the poster child for stl security. On a side note I think it's pretty amazing what you guys accomplished in a year, prior to the launch of this patreon like most wargamers I considered HI to be one my go to Scifi 40k proxy studios, however within a year HI is beloved by legions of D&D players.
Joel
2021-07-09 17:37:48 +0000 UTCI suggest you "sprinkle" a few Cyberpunk models in each month, maybe 2-4 poses of a single model (or more if you can handle it) - and maybe add a new subscription tier for a couple more bucks a month that gets those new models. That might help you judge true interest, through how many $$$ those new models bring in (you'll be able to judge based on how many subs you get at that tier which is really just for those extra models). Eventually, if there really is enough interest, break out a new Cyberpunk/SciFi only tier for $10, like Leader tier and put a team on it.
Alex A
2021-07-09 16:29:37 +0000 UTCPerhaps try a multi-part approach? Figure with the option of fantasy or sci-fi gear, mix and match. Just a thought.
James Kite
2021-07-09 14:30:32 +0000 UTCThis was the exact problem I had, I was really looking forward to the release, but then it came and its was mostly reskins that I was going to struggle to use on table top. Don't get me wrong I know there is a precedent for it on their store and I didn't begrudge it but I was certainly hoping for more usable models like the first two releases. I took a break and it was only the overload tier with troops that brought me back as I can use those to fill roles in my games without it it look like I'm setting up a Big Bad to throw down with. A lot of the bigger pieces are nice to look at but I'm always wary if I'll get good use out of them. And that's just the Fantasy releases.
Erica Wynters
2021-07-09 13:18:10 +0000 UTCThe problem with the „cyberpunk“ release was that it was a reskin of fantasy characters that just didn’t fit. I would argue most people wanting sci fi play wargames where you don’t Need those over the top characters but more troops..
Mario da Silva
2021-07-09 09:21:02 +0000 UTCIt woud be an absolutly shame, if Sci-Fi releases end. It is all about diversity! Sure Fantasy is cool and i personally use it most often, but it woud be terrible boring when only once scene woud be served. After the Cyberpunk Release i canceled all my other 3D Print minis patreons, not only because the design of Heroes Infinity is the best around, but because of the many different and interesting themes. I will stay along, even if there is no Sci-Fi, but it woud be very very sad. Maybe a today time set woud be great too. Magicians in todays clothes, Hitmans, Soldiers, Modern Samurai etc.
Björn Förster
2021-07-09 08:44:48 +0000 UTChello, I need material for Necromunda and Fallout, so if you bring something for it, I'll be there right away. or do a scifi board game or tabletop. And then brings new things for it every month. People buy more things that they can use, if the figures are only for the showcase they will be less popular.
Andreas Seyfried
2021-07-09 08:05:35 +0000 UTCI for myself can really do without Sci Fi. If then rather critter that works in most settings.
Fimb ul Kron
2021-07-09 05:40:41 +0000 UTCI guess I should throw in my vote too. I didn't really join for sci-fi content. I like the suggestions some people have made concerning swappable heads/hands/weapons that could make figures multipurpose. That, however, seems like a pretty significant change in design that may not be feasible. I appreciate the long write-up about the intricacies of this decision. As sci-fi is a different product, I probably wouldn't buy more than one or two months a year if I couldn't find a use for it. That being said, I 100% hope you have so much interest that you can hire more creators and make the additional line for everyone that wants it, because I really like what you are doing here and hope your business thrives. Best of luck!
Farleyap
2021-07-09 03:16:08 +0000 UTCI'm not so much into cyberpunk. When I think of sci-fi, I put it into these categories: 1. A Star Wars type of universe with lots of aliens, traders, captains, etc. The appeal here is just the sheer number of alien species and their "everyday jobs". 2. Star Trek/Babylon 5 with a uniformed force and a variety of aliens. Ambassadors, traders, pirates, etc. It's almost like #1 but with a uniformed presence to keep order. 3. Aliens/Space: Above & Beyond with uniformed marines going after alien hordes. In SA&B, the aliens were organized and armed like the marines. In Aliens they were just an infestation.
John Wainscott
2021-07-09 02:43:40 +0000 UTCI really enjoyed the cyberpunk release. I would love other scifi stuff too.
Funkey Monkey
2021-07-09 00:55:22 +0000 UTCYeah, if you want just a ton of usable minis you can usually get a good deal from Epic Minis. Or there is that MZ4250 guy who did the entire Monster Manual - but he's pretty low detail, kind of awesome nonetheless. I like Heroes Infinite because every mini looks like it could be someone's favorite.
eyflfla
2021-07-09 00:33:17 +0000 UTCI think the main issue with the cyberpunk release was the similarity of the other releases. Consider trying it again with a completely different approach and if that fails then you have better data.
Michelle Oakes
2021-07-09 00:26:48 +0000 UTCI agree. This was my issue too. I rather not have obvious reskins. Use your imagination! Go. Crazy.
Rob Henderson
2021-07-09 00:17:06 +0000 UTCi believe they did the reskins based on the favorite character votes. personally i loved it but i can see why others didnt
The Miniature Underground
2021-07-09 00:11:49 +0000 UTCthe cyberpunk stuff was one of my most favourite releases, i dont really care for dnd specifically, but i support you guys as you are my favorite patreon. i would love some steampunk, aliens, scifi,
The Miniature Underground
2021-07-09 00:10:42 +0000 UTCTwo other notes. I LIKE the elaborate, over the top pieces. Many people are talking about what a tight market DnD style (or warhammer style) minis is. The "extra" is what makes you guys unique. If the market is so saturated, people who want gaming utility minis have hundreds of other options. People who what ART have you guys. Focus on standing out rather than blending in. I care less about genre. Scifi, fantasy, whatever, the main thing is that it has your signature flamboyant style. Stripping things down too much for "game utility" not genre, is what would make me stop subscribing. RE: releasing your physical range on patreon. Keep in mind that some of us joined the patreon because we were already big fans of your work and already have most of your physical models. If this is a thing you choose to do Please keep these releases to their own months and telegraph in advance so we don't end up paying for stuff we already have and, please, please, I'm begging, don't a thing where you release some old stuff and some new stuff together so we're forced to pay for the old stuff to get the new stuff.
Alison Gross
2021-07-08 23:19:27 +0000 UTCWhile I prefer fantasy my negative reaction to the cyber punk release was not because it was scifi or because there was anything "wrong" with it in a vacuum. It was because so many of the models were essentially reskins of models from earlier releases and I remember many other people expressing a similar view at the time. This does not mean, again in a vacuum, that reskins are bad per say. I've bought some TGG reskins before. However, I like being able to pick and choose and done want every reskin out there. It made what was already a release fraught with controversy, even more controversial which could account for the high negative reaction. My suggestion, if you want to do a dedicated Scifi month release, make it as different from your other releases as possible or, if you want to do reskins (probably the most efficient way of giving everyone what they want) bake it into an existing release or offer it as an add on for a small up charge.
Alison Gross
2021-07-08 23:10:55 +0000 UTCThe Cyberpunk release was what got me subscribed, even before I had a printer. I hope you guys do more stuff like it!
Benjamin Ellis
2021-07-08 22:53:13 +0000 UTCSci-Fi is rad, keep it coming as far as I'm concerned. It might generate some interest if you guys went the way of Corvus Belli's Infinity. They have tons of sweet mechs and AI tanks and stuff, people might be into that. PS. I understand the financial considerations you have to make, but DnD nerds are tyrants, don't let them shit all over everything with their temper tantrums when the world (occasionally) doesn't revolve around them lol. But seriously...
Neight
2021-07-08 22:27:04 +0000 UTCI would be ok with 1 in 3 or 4 months being Sci-Fi, all the better if it's something that can straddle genres like Steampunk or Western Sci-Fi. I didn't care for the Cyberpunk release that much, but GoFast&TurboFox is one of my favorite models and I even have a DnD Character based around her. I am patient and don't care and know that you 've always given me access to past files, but for everyone else's sake, could you please get a backup system in place. I'm so goddamned tired of hearing everyone bitch about it. :) Thanks for laying it all out there.
eyflfla
2021-07-08 22:12:13 +0000 UTCPersonally don't care for cyberpunk just because I can't use it for a tabletop game I play. Since I mainly use your models as 40k proxies personally would like to see 40k style stuff. A perfect example is the reliquary of eraeriah since I can use it as a triumph proxy or like your Nepharya, NecroPriestess for the admech.
Justin Chan
2021-07-08 22:04:41 +0000 UTCI would be overjoyed to see more Scifi. I did not find you before this month so i missed the cyberpunk :( Going to have to buy them from the factory site. Maybe some scifi necromancers? aliens? i mean only if you did not want to do more cyberpunk, i like that style too :)
Daniel Domeisen
2021-07-08 21:59:59 +0000 UTC"A market that has a minority of vocal fans " I feel like they are saying the information was showing it the other way around. They had a lot of subs drop when they did Cyberpunk and their initial polling showed the majority of patreons wanted DnD type stuff. I like the rest of your post. I think Science-fantasy is a great way to go. Western Sci-Fi especially seems like it could straddle many genres. Having Sci-Fi weapon swaps is also a really good idea, and they could even carry over from month to month!
eyflfla
2021-07-08 21:55:59 +0000 UTCA comment about the cyberpunk release. I bought it recently on the mmf release, even though I was a bit disappointed in it. For me, the problem was the figures seemed to be primarily showpieces and not much game utility. Even though I will likely never play with 99% of the stl files I now have, my mind is still rooted in games. Maybe this contributed to the Cyberpunk release reaction and that may have bled over to other sci fi genres. Me, for one, would love to have more cyberpunk figures (but ones that look more appropriate to the RGP or skirmish table) but similarly Firefly, Steampunk etc. When the time comes that you consider a second Sci Fi Patreon, if you go in that directly, I'm in. But until then, I still hope to see some in this Patreon.
Hesperax
2021-07-08 21:33:36 +0000 UTCI for one would welcome some scifi of any sort here, be it cpunk, gothic, space opera, or anything else. I would rather not see another new patreon spun off for it, I’m on several more than I’d planned as it is and discovered some of them quite a bit later than I wish I had. If the “fantasy only, all others suck” crew is that vocal... well, that’s their problem, IMO, you guys will make what you make. Maybe do a split release, half and half, covering both sides.
Chris N
2021-07-08 20:53:32 +0000 UTCSci-Fi is a tough one to please people with, it's true. As you've pointed out, there's just so many vastly different subgenres. Personally I'd like to see more of kinds that don't get as much attention, like the Firefly and Evangelion styles, but of course you have to consider whether or not it's profitable enough to be worth the time and effort. Being an artist is hard. I'm glad things are looking up for you guys, though! You deserve it, seriously.
Alayna
2021-07-08 20:23:12 +0000 UTCFirst off, thanks for the effort you put into everything you do. That means not just the Minis, but also the time you took to write down this post. As I'm always one who screams for Sci-fi I gotta admit this release was awesome, some of those minis will come in handy ;) I could definitely live with that, if you try to do this more often. As for the usability in sci-fi it could help if you would start making those weapons modular - ball joints would realy help on that topic. You would catch 2 birds with one stone by giving us more possibilities and variety for troops + you could release these troops with fantasy + sci-fi weapons at the same time. You wouldn't need to design tons of figures, just some weapon options to also be put on other, upcoming minis in future releases if you stick with this system. Just an idea which, not could but sure as hell, WOULD widen your audience a lot. Being able to customize is a huge part of our hobby, and that would be another step into exactly this direction. As always, keep up the good work. Simply love your style and what you're doing :)
Marco Klitzing
2021-07-08 20:14:03 +0000 UTCDear Raging Heroes team, All you guys do wonderful work, and I've really been enjoying the mythology releases (esp the Greek one) and I'm really excited for more sci-fi releases! Personally, I loved the cyberpunk release you had, but I was a bit late to the party so I'll have to grab it on the MMF store, but this talk about a different patreon has me intrigued! I do my own 3D modeling and have been really inspired by a lot of the content you put out, which has been really helpful in keeping me in practice! Long post made short, I'm excited for any sci-fi you guys can spare! I know a lot of people on here love 40k, which isn't exactly my jam, I was curious if you could do something similar to Starfinder minis? It's difficult to find quality models for that style! (Also been recently hooked on Star Trek, but that's likely way down in the subgenre list) Best of luck to you all, and happy one year!
Nathan May
2021-07-08 20:04:45 +0000 UTCI was a big TGG2 kickstarter supporter and play 40k and didnt jump on your Patreon till recently because you only mostly offer fantasy. I certainly want more scifi!
Nathan Patterson
2021-07-08 19:52:08 +0000 UTCRaging Heroes team, Thanks for the post and thanks for the awesome models that you make! I just wanted to add in that I'm here for Warhammer minis, for both fantasy and 40k and as long as at least some of the release has stuff that works for an army, then I'm really happy. But I'm here for the long haul, I figure the benefit of Patreon is that I get lots of great minis for cheap, but I have less say in what I get, so I'm building up a bank of files to eventually be able to print anything. You do what you guys want, keep up the amazing quality, and throw a little grim darkness our way sometimes and I'll keep on staying with you guys.
Nick Schlekewey
2021-07-08 19:39:50 +0000 UTCDear RH team of maker. this post is blowing my mind and as the same people who want to keeping living in these dream work, i can understand how hard it is to keep living with market opinion as our determinant object while we waging real war against other intellectual property and the chance of being pirated by others. Personally i myself like your work since you guys make raging heroes and started buying some of your resin product like davidian sister and consecrated sister set. but the shipping cost to my country while being taxed isn't helping my financial reach to you guys. so when i know you guys making some patreon i'll go check it myself. at first i don't understand why you guys make some different line than your already made, but this post explain everything at least for me. as for scifi theme, i like the grimdark you guys already made and the sister in this month release are really close to what you guys already made and i loved it. since i'm new here and (really) late to join that vote, i just want to see if you guys are interested in POST-APOCALYPTIC SCI-FI theme either its alien or mutated animal with machine limb. i know its depend on the community again, but again i just want to inform you guys that there is a person who like what you guys already work (especially in these strange times of pandemic life) so keep it up and cheers for your 10 years achievement.
Guroworks
2021-07-08 18:32:44 +0000 UTCwhy not release a model or two that are sci fi with the monthly releases? its not perfect, but it does give something to the smaller crowd each month, also maybe some alternate hands/ arms that you could print to make some of the models more sci fi.
Josh Nelson
2021-07-08 18:29:41 +0000 UTCI had some use for the cyberpunk minis you made. I’m more into the high gothic sci-fi, and anime sci-fi from the 80’s than the cyberpunk sci-fi. If I had to choose between the 2 on a poll for a mini project I’d go anime sci-fi. Big mechs, drones, body suits. What’s not to love?
Veral_Nerevar
2021-07-08 18:03:23 +0000 UTCI really like sci-fi for the grimdark gothic asthetic. I really like cyberpunk stuff too, and I think your previous cyberpunk release was alright. It didn't completely blow me away though personally. I think one thing you guys could do for some sci fi is to have models that could have weapon swaps to be used in either setting. Like maybe you take some knights and then instead of holding a medieval sword + shield, they could have their arms swapped for a chainsaw sword and a shield with a pistol built into it for example. Or have some really raggedy cultist type models that could be holding crossbows or really simple flintlock firearms that could be swapped for more modern weaponry. In some sci fi games the fantasy type clothing and armor can work pretty well, just with sci fi weaponry. I also like this type of option better personally than having a split between the sci fi and non-sci fi in a patreon.
Sesshomuronay
2021-07-08 17:58:16 +0000 UTCSorry guys. That is a bummer that you aren't getting to sculpt the concepts you want. I like your raging heros stuff but honestly by GW stuff for sci fi and do patreons and 3d printing for dnd. maybe you could set up a separate patreon just for sci fi? then people could go with whichever one they wanted. you could get some adopters doing both?
Brandon Oliver
2021-07-08 17:54:24 +0000 UTCThank you very much for the honest and detailed explanation! I for one would very much be interested in SciFi releases (and would even be open to a second Raging Heroes Patreon for that genre). At the same time, I’m also finding that I have less and less use for pure Dungeons and Dragons releases as there’s an over saturation of this theme in the 3D printing market and I have most of what I need. It’s not that I don’t want fantasy, but at this point I’m really looking for something unique that’s not high fantasy (Sword and Sorcery, Weird West, etc. would all be welcome). Ideally I’d love to see all sorts of different themes and genres on this Patreon. Thanks again and I look forward to seeing what’s next for Raging Heroes!
Stephen Pfann
2021-07-08 17:52:57 +0000 UTCI'd say that if you did a dedicated sci-fi product line, though, I would probably have to pick one or the other- it's very unlikely I'd keep two subs. So when looking at profitability, that's a factor to consider. Would you actually gain subs, or would just just redistribute subs to more niche product lines?
alex
2021-07-08 17:41:50 +0000 UTCMake a separate tier for sci fi :) so people can choose or take both :)
Saviny
2021-07-08 17:39:00 +0000 UTCI think the trick is that people want sci-fi that they feel they can use in a game. I just joined, so I didn't get in on Cyberpunk release- the models look neat, but didn't seem to be anything cohesive to actually include in a game, and the characters seemed too specific to be used for RPGs. I'd say if you want to go for a Sci Fi aesthetic that isn't hyper-saturated already (like Space Marines), maybe check out a cyber-noir style, a la the movies Blade Runner 2049 or Dredd? A few base bodies with a lot of pose/weapon options to make quasi-custom characters would also go a long way- maybe my trenchcoat-clad guerrillas prefer bullpup rifles, but my friend's prefer revolvers? Different heads/hats/helmets? Terrain pieces might include street vendor shanties, piles of junk, and police barricades. Vehicles could be heavy motorcycles, trikes, and open-top quads- those work well for that kind of aesthetic.
alex
2021-07-08 17:37:48 +0000 UTCI honestly joined for more of your sci-fi content.
Michael Denz
2021-07-08 17:35:33 +0000 UTCI was waiting to see them and they're superb must haves, I'll be getting them but at so far over £100 for the three it'll mean preparation. that said they're revisits to the exnomorph aesthetic so I'd love to see what these guys could do afresh. After the invaders nemesis were such a dissappointment
Phil Gee
2021-07-08 17:31:15 +0000 UTCI'd love more scifi, was gutted I missed the cyber punk stuff
Simon Gibbs
2021-07-08 16:51:04 +0000 UTCI'd love to see some old-school space opera, bad-ass space-suited astronauts fighting tentacle aliens!
B.J. West
2021-07-08 16:45:36 +0000 UTCI LOVED the Cyberpunk set, but then, I'm a cyberpunk author.
B.J. West
2021-07-08 16:44:53 +0000 UTCOh and... for the love of all things holy... Can we please get MMF backups... Month after month you've said something on the lines of "we'll have news for you very soon on a backup system!" ... and nothing ever happens. To me, it sounds like you're trying to build some brand new system from scratch and it's just taking a lot longer to make than anticipated... and while it's great that you're trying to do your best... you don't need to redesign the wheel here... just use the tools already out there. You already have an MMF account, and sell on there. It's such an easy thing to just take that next step and use it as the backup system...
Joey D
2021-07-08 16:42:32 +0000 UTCAn interesting read, especially the part about only just now being 'profitable' :S My feedback/suggestions on the matter: - Your TGG range was amazing, and already had this problem solved... you gave both scifi and fantasy versions of the same product! To me this really seems like a no-brainer and easy win. - Having some models be more modular/multipart, with WEAPON SWAPS makes it super easy to just, swap out a cross bow for a gun etc etc. Also troops that are modular and more customisable are way more valuable as a kit than 4-5 differently posed monopose models. Modular troops can then make armies from (so the wargamers are more interested, but still the roleplayers can use them!). - The big centrepiece terrain model... Honestly, while it's all very nice to look at and very flashy... how many people actually ever print them? They're usually pretty massive, so take a lot of filament/resin to produce, and a take up a lot of shelf space. To me, creating these massive centrepieces seems like a waste of your development time... time which could be better put into making say... the troops more modular (and compatible with both fantasy+SF as above). - Having a 2nd patreon purely for Scifi, or new tiers on this one for it... Yeah no... I really HATE this. I can't sustain any more patreons or more cash going out frankly... I already spend way too much... More tiers just complicates things, and preys on FOMO too. Not to mention, as you said yourself, your talented artists/staff are already overstretched and exhausted as it is. Don't work them into the ground to try and cater for a whole 2nd set every month... - Cyberpunk is great! but... is wayyy more niche than you think, as others have said. People will tend to back what they will actually use, and vast majority of SF backers want proxies for their GW armies (which is why people want your TGG line made available as STL!). I get that Piracy is an issue, but frankly, that is always going to be a thing that can never be fully routed out... doesn't mean you should stop putting content out. The TV+Film industry has had to deal with piracy since the dawn of time, and yet, somehow, it's an industry that flourishing and making billions every year... not collapsing (like all the anti-pirates spout out).
Joey D
2021-07-08 16:37:44 +0000 UTCI'm not a fan of sci fi for the most part as I'm really here just for DnD, but I'm sure I could grab a mini or two here and there from the releases. I'd stick it out and stay here during those months if those releases aren't too frequent. Maybe that's the solution? A schedule where certain times are for certain releases? I dunno.
DMmeepo
2021-07-08 16:36:07 +0000 UTCI'm all for everything you do, and yes i do love sci fi. Your cyberpunk release looks impressive, before my time as patreon tho, so i will grab it sometime later.
Baronesa
2021-07-08 16:33:04 +0000 UTCHey there ! first of all thanks a lot for your work and your outstanding release quality every month ;) I didn't have the courage to read every single answer to your message as there are already 70+ but I saw some ideas which really look like mine to try to solve your sci-fi problem. Benoît je continue en FR car ça sera plus simple pour moi d'expliquer clairement ma pensée. I explain in FR as I'll be more precise, sorry english speaking friends ^^" Mon idée c'est de reprendre le système de membership annuel que j'ai croisé sur d'autres page patreon mais au lieu de faire une réduction sur le prix mensuel, à la place "offrir" ou proposer à un prix imbatable des releases sci-fi pour les personnes qui s'engagent sur un an (achetables sur MMF ensuite, obviously). Par exemple faire des releases bonus sci-fi tous les 3, 4, 6 mois pour ne pas que vos équipes se crament avec une charge de travail répartie dans le temps et moins chronophage que d'ouvrir un second patreon avec du contenu mensuel. Ça règlerait également le souci de rétention car vous auriez plus de visibilité sur les personnes qui partent sur un abonnement annuel. Pourquoi même ne pas monter un tout petit peu le prix et passer du 14 euros Overlord à 180 (15x12) euros upfront Starlord ;) Pour les patrons ça fait des releases bonus sci-fi à 3 euros si vous partez sur une release par trimestre, et ça permet une rotation dans les thèmes proposés. Personnellement si vous proposiez un deal du type je saute dessus. Comme tu disais dans ton message le public n'est pas infini (même si de plus en plus de gens s'équipent pour imprimer) et à mon avis c'est plus safe de miser sur la rétention que sur l'expansion. Ces derniers mois j'ai été abonné jusqu'à 12 patreons en simultané, aujourd'hui je ne suis plus que chez ceux qui font la meilleure rétention ou qui sont vraiment un cran au dessus niveau qualité et je pense que le public va devenir de plus en plus picky avec le temps et l'offre pléthorique... Bon courage à toute l'équipe et je suis certain que vous trouverez la meilleure solution à ce problème ! PS: Quand je relis rapidement les messages précédents je pense qu'il y aurait d'autres personnes de mon avis, qui restent fidèles pour la qualité de vos modèles et qui voudraient du sci-fi, et qui ne seraient surement pas contre payer upfront pour avoir ces releases en plus. Après pour voir au niveau de toute la communauté c'est une autre histoire, un petit sondage peut-être ? :)
Matthieu Maudet
2021-07-08 16:29:57 +0000 UTCIf all you're going to do for SciFi is make people and animals into robots I won't be impressed.
stevo cuello
2021-07-08 16:29:02 +0000 UTCAs long as they continue to be cool models, I dont care if they are Fantasy or Scifi. My biggest issue is that there still isn't some sort of file backup system, such as MMF. That is the thing I have been waiting for.
Bobbosce
2021-07-08 16:25:17 +0000 UTCI joined after the cyber punk release and was tempted by it when you had it discounted on MMF. I didn't buy it however due to not knowing what I could use them as. I loved the style and models, but couldn't see myself printing them without a use.
Ridgerunner
2021-07-08 16:09:52 +0000 UTCGib me SciFI plox. I actually kitbash some of the fantasy releases to be scifi compatible, the paladins are great for 40k when you add guns ;)
Perry Kantor
2021-07-08 15:57:13 +0000 UTCI have mostly stuck around in hope of my SciFi. Most of your releases while beautiful are of little use to my gaming needs. I would love it if you spun off a second patreon focusing on SciFi material. I backed both your Kickstarters for their SciFi releases and love that range and have several hundred dollars of models from you. I'd love to see more of SciFi and I bet a lot of people would come over for that sort of material
chris king
2021-07-08 15:53:51 +0000 UTCThanks for the deep dive and the behind the scenes on this! It's unfortunate that that release was such a huge drop off point for you guys. The Cyberpunk release was when I subbed and I thought it was a ton of fun, but I can agree with other comments on here that it is very niche as opposed to a wider net of general Scifi. It's a tough genre since there are so many branching paths and flavors one can go with and it'll definitely leave diehards feeling burned. But some of the suggestions in the comments I think are really onto something! - Having a Kickstarter for Scifi specific themes. This ensures you're making your money and gives you the time to produce the models between releases. Also maybe a patron discount, or patron bonus models or an early bird tier announced here first. :P - Making a few extra modular pieces for releases. Swap swords for guns and all that jazz! Maybe a separate head once in a while that can be popped on. This is still an extra time investment for your team, but really a lot of your models aren't too far off from being slapped into a scifi game. Giving the option to kitbash a little with bonus pieces might scratch some itches while other solutions are thought up. - Loyalty rewards! Every few months maybe slap in a couple scifi themed minis. A few other patreons I'm in does stuff like this and it is definitely incentive for people to stay pledged. I think even if you don't do the scifi angle you guys should pick this idea up. - "Vault", so what I mean by that is sometimes (again a few other patreons I'm in do this) along the main release there's just a few minis that are added on that might not fit the theme and instead are heroes or just extras that the team wanted to make. This could be a way to add 2-4 minis each month with a scifi twist, perhaps? - If you want to hit both audiences with fantasy and scifi maybe try and Eberron themed release? I personally want Victorian steampunk or a Space Opera theme but I think Eberron could also be really fun! Whatever you guys decide to do I wish ya the best and thanks for all the hard work and honesty you present with us monthly. :D
Jenks
2021-07-08 15:53:06 +0000 UTCFWIW, not every single release completely resonates with me in terms of theme but the design work you do is always amazing. My outlook on this is that I love your design and there is something cool in every release. I'll ride through the months regardless of that specific release content because the overall content and value is great. I also want to see Sci-Fi and other genres and I really want to see things done in the Raging Heroes design that are different from what other companies will produce. And thank you again for the transparency and interaction on these topics!
Scott Evil
2021-07-08 15:51:55 +0000 UTCThe cyberpunk release was pretty much reskinned models from previous releases, right? Why not make a scifi/fantasy variant every month like you do with your Raging Heroes line?
Nick Nerandzic
2021-07-08 15:49:01 +0000 UTCI feel the problem with the Cyberpunk release was that the models were more decorative than practical for table top gaming. It needed more "common" units like the repressors to flesh it out, maybe some gangs members, net runners and police\military units.
Scott Woods
2021-07-08 15:43:14 +0000 UTCSISTERS OF ETERNAL MERCY!!!! <3 <3<3
Kady
2021-07-08 15:22:10 +0000 UTCFantasy table top RPGs are just way more popular right now. It really is as simple as that. Also fantasy style minis can fit in to almost all fantasy settings. Where Sci Fi feels like it has way more very specific sub genres.
Ben
2021-07-08 15:20:59 +0000 UTCPapsikels has been doing Aliens last month and this month and will be for next month too! Good chest bursters are hard to come by!
ARM
2021-07-08 15:06:03 +0000 UTCThere are only 3 Cyberpunk Patreons that are really good that I'm aware of. Papsikels, Cyber Forge, and Unit 9. The rest are generic Scifi or low quality.
ARM
2021-07-08 15:04:33 +0000 UTCI have so much fantasy that I have been cutting back on my fantasy Patreons cause I have enough (Is 2 TB of stls enough? I'd like to think so.) I only have a few good Scifi models and there is so much more without going into "Combat Armored Marine". I would love to have more of your style of Scifi/Cyberpunk!
ARM
2021-07-08 15:02:26 +0000 UTCHow about a blending of both worlds...like a scifi paladin....a scifi warlock? Maybe even a scifi/cyberpunk bard? Also my personal preference is fantasy that's why I chose this Patreon, but adding some scifi as "extra" for a month or so seems alright.
Matt
2021-07-08 15:01:36 +0000 UTCThank you for the open communication. I'm here for fantasy, because that is what I play (D&D). I personally have no use for Sci-fi offerings.
Benjamin Kauer
2021-07-08 14:51:13 +0000 UTCI actually signed up with the Cyberpunk release (loved it!), I also really wanted that Mammoth. I love many of the designs, but with the generic Greek/Viking/Paladin stuff I am actually thinking of unsubscribing because those kinds of things I'm already drowning in and there are many other Patreons that also have unique stuff I'm not drowning in and there's only so much money I'm willing to spend on that...
Cergorach
2021-07-08 14:49:15 +0000 UTCI maybe in a minority here as I don't play my models I print, paint and display and that is where I get my enjoyment, to me your work is real art in the 3rd dimension. When I first heard about your Cyberpunk month I was not really interested, but then I saw them and as with all your other designs it was the STYLE that hooked me. That is why I stay, your style of modelling is so incredible to my eye that I love every month, whether it be Sand Thieves, Pirates, Fairies or Knights in armour, and don't get me started on the monsters like Kh'a_Larrh, the Mammoth or the Leviahtan. The Gods are in a (design) world of their own, as they should be. If anyone had asked me a year ago, did I like Sci-Fi? I would have said probably not. I read Sci-Fi books and watch the movies and TV, but things like 40K, no. But I love Steampunk and genres like Firefly, so anything in those styles would be an instant hit with me. As I said above Cyberpunk showed me you can do Sci-Fi in a way that draws my interest, so I am open for more in the Sci-Fi genre, you may even get me printing and painting 40K style if your artists can come up with something original (I'm sure they will). 😸 The main thing, to me, is the broad range of subjects that you are doing in your own fantastic style, and I can not get enough of it. 😻😎 I see people here saying why not do another tier or a few characters each month with swappable weapons/arms etc. But it would all have to be paid for somewhere, your resources are finite and an extra tier or another Patreon would have to finance itself right from the start (is that even possible) or it would drag down what you are doing now. Also, extra pieces would result in fewer unique models, as someone will have to put in the time to sculpt them. So for my two cents, keep doing what you are doing and grow the company at the rate you feel comfortable with, it has got to work for you because at the end of the day if you fail as a studio it's your livelihood you lose, we just lose a supplier and would probably move on to somebody else (harsh but true, it's the way of the world). Please keep doing what you do best and take the time that is needed, I, for one, want to see you around for a long time to come, designing the models I love to print and paint. Thanks for listening. 😎😻
nightlurker
2021-07-08 14:44:27 +0000 UTCI have been a subscriber since almost the beginning (and I bought the one I missed). I like everything that has been released, some more than others). I agree that most people want to be able to use the minis for RPGs and as proxies for the minis games they play. There is a lot of opportunity to use a mini for multiple genres. The suggestions that were made to offer weapon swaps is brilliant. The same may be possible with head swaps. Minis that can be used for 40K, Necromunda, D&D/Pathfinder/Starfinder, Mordheim, Warcry, Mantic games Iike Battle Zone, Dust, warhammer Fantasy, Warmachine, and even modern and post apocalyptic backdrops. If the minis can be used for multiple genres via weapon and head changes it provides flexibility and and more value.
Rich Orbain
2021-07-08 14:32:00 +0000 UTCI believe I'm echoing some of the statements made here, sci-fi has a following cyberpunk not as much. I was looking forward to more sci-fi options as someone who does Starfinder more grimdark that bubblegum sugar pop. I also do Warhammer and love your stuff, but live across an ocean. I wouldn't add your current stuff to a Patreon but would gladly pay you all extra for files on like MMF or something even if you hosted it yourself.
Betty Osthoff
2021-07-08 14:29:25 +0000 UTCThat's really sad that people reacted with such hostility to something you're all so passionate about. I admit fantasy is my jam but I would not be opposed to the occasional scifi, especially Star Wars since we still play a fair amout of Edge of the Empire and I could use minis for that.
Andrea Giargiari
2021-07-08 14:26:12 +0000 UTC^^ I second this; rogue trader and necromunda are pretty much limitless in the ways they can be explored. And it could work for home-brew Sci-Fi RPGs, inquisitor retinues, or just look amazing on the tabletop.
Scott Evil
2021-07-08 14:26:08 +0000 UTCOr just make better, cooler aliens than anyone else
Phil Gee
2021-07-08 14:25:11 +0000 UTCI supported for 9 months and was so happy to see sci-fi. When all the noise came with the release, I was so disappointed that supporters killed it. I support 3 other cyberpunk/sci-fi Patreons now and not HI. Why? Too many fantasy creators out there now, not enough futuristic. I support Unit9, CyberForge and Papsikels. I keep wanting to come back to HI, because your art is top of class. But I have no need for the sub-genre fantasy. I understand your dilemma, and I hope to see a HI futuristic Patreon some day. Then I’d be back.
Michael Orona
2021-07-08 14:22:09 +0000 UTCI use scifi much more than fantasy, I do have uses for both though. My favourite figures are your flesheaters and skinners. The key to scifi is to find the genre that will appeal to as many folks as ever. Firefly/Serenity(ish) is a good bet, they're lightly armed and armoured and so as well as ship's crew, they can be used for anything from a lower-tech cyber gang, to colonists beset by xenos, anything dystopian like zombie hunters, "fallout" survivors, alien invasion resistance, terminator hunted, demon from another dimension hunters... All sorts for boardgame (AvP, Deep Madness etc.) character proxies and skirmish games.
Phil Gee
2021-07-08 14:13:24 +0000 UTCI missed the cyberpunk Patreon, but picked them up on MMF. I love them and the designs but understand. But I’m just here to support ya’ll because I’ve been using your stuff for a long time and only learned of your Patreon a few months ago.
PhyrexianQueen
2021-07-08 14:12:55 +0000 UTCI'd like to second the occasional Scifi Kickstarter. It would ensure you guys get at least a minimum amount of $/project so you don't waste time on something that will leave you broke, plus you'd more easily be able to target individual scifi communities to scare up funding instead of trying to appeal to everyone all the time! (...also a fan of discounts or bonus models for Patreon supporters)
ErisTheMenace
2021-07-08 14:04:28 +0000 UTCI would suggest that Cyberpunk is far more niche than you think - Sci fi, bulk sci fi, stuff that can be used in Wargames, may not be as popular as D&D or fantasy but I think will be more popular than cyberpunk OR steampunk. Very vocal minorities passionately love those genres.
Narrator Dave
2021-07-08 14:04:15 +0000 UTCOthers have said this as well- there's a difference between cool looking models and models that will actually be used for something. You produce exclusively cool looking models and while I've been here since the start, I can say I've barely printed anything from this patreon because I don't have a use for it. This is a stark contrast to the number of orders I've placed for Raging Heroes products over the years. This month will probably be the first where I actually print most of the range, because I'll use it for something. I felt that the cyberpunk release was uninspired. Most of the models were just reskins of previous releases, and while still all very cool models, none that were very practical.
D W
2021-07-08 13:59:56 +0000 UTCI honestly didn't think there was so much people that would drop out of the patreon if you were to do a sci-fi release, I'm really surprised. Personally I would absolutely love a sci-fi release, I prefer Victorian style steampunk (which you could transform into artificer/clockworks for dnd) but any kind of genre is completely fine for me. I don't print every model, in fact I print only few models, I'm in for : 1) to support amazing creators 2) even though I don't use all the models, it's an amazing value 3) I just want to create a vault to be able to just have every model I need for every occasion So in conclusion do what you think is best, I will support you for as long as I can
Axel Stengel
2021-07-08 13:50:13 +0000 UTCI guess that makes me in the minority who loved the cyberpunk release, though I felt it was more of synthwave and scifi glam metal than Blade Runner style cyberpunk. I'ld love to see a 2nd cyberpunk release if it's more like Blade Runner, Ghost in the Shell or Terminator, though I know I'm in the vast minority. I suppose the best I can hope for is anime style scifi with a nod to Ghost in the Shell.
David Cheng
2021-07-08 13:49:57 +0000 UTCI just had no use for the cyber punk stuff. For tabletop its really DND and 40k for me. I am thinking of expanding to star wars tabletop stuff but that's a dangerous game for small companies to imitate.
Adam Beck
2021-07-08 13:47:41 +0000 UTCWhile many of us enjoy both Fantasy and Sci-Fi, there will always be some who don't care for one or the other. I don't have any data to back this up but my personal experience is that of people who only consume media from one or the other, Fantasy overpowers Sci-fi, and even within Sci-Fi, Cyberpunk is an even more niche subgenre. Shadowrun and Cyberpunk Red surely exist and are successful but pale against the success of D&D, currently. To succeed at Sci-fi, cast a wider net. The fantasy-only fans will be burned but with sci-fi models that can fit in multiple games/settings it draws a wider sci-fi crowd. I'd suggest alternating between generic sci-fi, and Grimdark. There are certainly pros and cons to putting sci-fi releases on the main page. Your fantasy-only fans will know immediately they don't want to Sub that month, but potential sci-fi fans who would sub might not hear about your release until it's too late. To keep the fantasy-only fans on board, have some rad fantasy loyalty rewards. Alternatively, while it demands an additional work load, sci-fi releases could be on their own patreon page e.g. Cyber Forge. Whatever you do, keep up the rad work. Your models are awesome.
Codeghoul
2021-07-08 13:45:55 +0000 UTCThank you for this post in which you explain your problems and position. As said before, proxies and pinup are the best easy winners (lots of us play with wargames / RPG) so you should know which ones are the most played or lacking in proxies (AoS, WH40k, 9th age, Specific D&D/Pathfinder theme, etc). Of course, more is the game known, more people brings to make a subscription. I have my point of view about “wargame release” (like the last ones) VS “RPG releases” (for example D&D). The first one can be used by everyone (you can set a campaign with that theme using all the miniature set) but not viceversa (mixed models aren’t always usable). A big problem about the first one is that few people can create stat block for that miniatures and this brings “usefulness” to that set and for this reason wants the D&D ready miniatures, even if not special or unique as HI style is (D&D has its own style so, a red dragon is in that way with that characteristics, same for all the other monsters). About the Sci-fi problem, well … it’s really hard to solve. I could suggest you to make modular weapons but the miniature style remains fantasy, so only half problem is solved. What about modular miniatures? I mean, split it with fantasy + sci-fi parts (heads + arms + legs), the body should be the same. For example, you can maintain the body for a Dark Elf warrior and you can choose to attach to it a kind of set or the other. I know that this solution isn’t easy and brings more work to do (and if the pieces don’t match well, there is also this problem to solve) but it can be a way to satisfy everyone. Another possible solution could be a Sci-fi Kickstarter released … I don’t know, let’s say, once every 6 months? So you have time for it while working to the Fantasy Patreons, with heroes, troops, vehicles and sceneries in it. It can be cyberpunk, steampunk or like Necromunda or Kill Team (they are just few examples). Who is patreon can have some advantages with the kickstarter (level tier isn’t important because the different price is for different contents) depending from how much time they are patreons, counting this time starting from your KS announce … I don’t know, a little discount maybe? About your proposal to bring friends to get more Sci-fi subscriptions, isn’t so viable. If in my group I’m already a patreon to you, why should they subscribe? I can print the miniatures and use them at home and my friend does the same with another Patreon.
Lind
2021-07-08 13:42:41 +0000 UTCSci-fi fanboy here, as many others I'm sure, I loved your cyberpunk stuff but I had no opportunity to use it as a proxy in my games so I just picked a few individual models to paint just for fun (Loooove the 404, Code angel)
Tocquet
2021-07-08 13:42:26 +0000 UTCLove the transparency. I personally loved the Cyberpunk release. It’s not something I able to use all the time but loved the sculpts non the less. Having a set sci-fi month, a couple times a year, would be cool. You can also do a release that has both sci-fi and fantasy variations/accessories those months.
William W
2021-07-08 13:38:35 +0000 UTCMost of what I got into 3d printing for is to print minis to then use in my game. Had I simply stuck to that plan I'd have a lot more room on my shelf and a lot more money. I've loved everything you guys have put out and I suspect I will also love any sci-fi releases you guys have in mind. I wish to hell I had the sort of room and capacity to print that would allow me to make one of the big center-pieces ... but that might change if there were something like an awesome starship. While I've never played an RPG set in a sci-fi setting before, my first love will always be sci-fi, so I'm HERE FOR IT!
Seth Swanson
2021-07-08 13:36:55 +0000 UTChey long time fan here, I have been buying your thing for 10 years already. I have to say I looove your sci fy stuff, I hope to see more stuff I can use to play Warhammer or infinity, your dark eldar (drukhari) minis are the best. Also love your cyberpunk stuff, I mean is great but is not very apliable to tabletop, but for painting is great. I hope to see some jailbirds or nuns soon, you rock guys, keep up the good work
willy heilbron jacome
2021-07-08 13:34:59 +0000 UTCI like sci-fi in general, but I have zero interest in Cyber Punk. I tend to think that's probably one of the less popular subgenres. Steampunk, Space Fantasy, those are a bit more popular. I've suggested in the past doing a month based on Celestial bodies as humanoid forms, like black holes and stars, nebulae, a comet dragon maybe. But if you did retro 60s and 70s sci-fi vs like 80s run down or rebel sci-fi, that could appeal to a lot of people.
Jim
2021-07-08 13:19:15 +0000 UTCHey, I am likely to drop out this month, not because of anything you guys have done you have been great honestly I should have dropped out because I do not have 3D printer I have a friend with one and his not going to print stuff for people anymore. Because other people don't buy him lots of resin or treat him right, and! You did Egypt which my Girlfriend LOVES (I can't understate that) and I am her 'Viking' so... that was a natural. But I think the main reason Cyberpunk wasn't a success is that there is no game attached to it. D&D and AoS overlap a lot! And some of your 'fantasy releases' can neatly go into 40k like the angels... My biggest problem is Availability here in Australia. If you can give me something neat for things I will stay on... even though I don't have a printer... Sorry for being so verbose but honestly the only reason I came on to this service and made the plunge is because of your customer service!!! The person answering the personal messages on here and on my mini factory, they are just the nicest person in the world! I don't want you to think I stopped because you guys upset me. I love your stuff, I love how you run things, but if I don't have printer and can't get a mate to print :/ I HOPE! this feedback has been helpful.
Henry Falsename
2021-07-08 13:17:39 +0000 UTCI certainly appreciate the transparency even if that means its not the answer I wanted to hear, I been through a number of months I wasnt interested in knowing thats how these things roll, we cant always get a month we're excited for, gorgeous models or not. But if the variety we were promised when this started isnt going to happen I cant express how sad that will make me. Youve had amazing value but I personally think catering to the squeaky wheel instead of what youre passionate for is showing
Jason Grubb
2021-07-08 13:16:25 +0000 UTCThat said, like HALF of your Knights stuff works as proxies in my army and I am EXCITED to print and paint them up! And, I have a friend who worships several Egyptian gods, and she jumped for joy when I showed her the range of options. I'm going to print and paint her a figurine for her altar, and just having them is so cool.
The Mind's Garden (Mark)
2021-07-08 13:12:41 +0000 UTCThank you for your transparency and your passion! This Patreon is probably one of the best investments I have made, and even if I don't love every release you are putting out $50-60 worth of STLs every month for $10 patrons. If there's a month I don't love, it doesn't stop being worth it. I joined because I am building a Sisters of Battle army right now, so a lot of what you release here is a miss for me (though I have like $700 of your physical minis lol), but they are all so beautiful and well made it is still worth it to support your mission. Keep doing what you are doing and I will follow you as long as I can. ❤️
The Mind's Garden (Mark)
2021-07-08 13:08:58 +0000 UTCI don't have any interest or use for sci-fi models.
Michael Poloske
2021-07-08 13:07:04 +0000 UTCOr why not start a second set of tiers for sci-fi stuff? Lots of patreons do that and it drains my bank account very efficiently!
Aubrey Ramage Lay
2021-07-08 12:57:29 +0000 UTCI was excited for sci-fi at fist but your digital sci-fi was nothing like your resin range. It was a real disappointment. (if you do sci-fi again go with void elves and sisters of mercy)
Michael Peterson
2021-07-08 12:52:41 +0000 UTCI want Sci-FI, but had zero cyber punk interest sorry. My suggestion would be try and make a mini a month convertible, i.e. provide it with a choice of weapons or something, some fantasy some sci fi. That would be better than nothing. I've supported this patreon since beginning without printing or painting a single mini so far. DnD players should show a little flexibility i think.
Ashley Beech
2021-07-08 12:42:09 +0000 UTCHow about expanding the Tiers, you can now choose Leader and Overlord. What if you added a third option which would include the Scifi versions of a theme maybe with an extra vehicle or terrain piece?
Glitterwolf
2021-07-08 12:41:16 +0000 UTCWhy not do a few sci fi models as "extras" next to the typical monthly fantasy release and see if you can find a style that works for your patreons?
Shawn Hakl
2021-07-08 12:40:58 +0000 UTCWell I think alot of people probably tought that they singed up for a fantasy miniatures patreon and so expected to get fantasy miniatures. A large drop off in patreons could not be shocking when you suddenly change your product. And as mentioned there is alot of competition that your patreons can change to. Personaly I only have use for fantasy and would not pay for something i dont need, when there are alot of other choices.
Niclas Munkenberg
2021-07-08 12:40:41 +0000 UTCProblem Wit the cyberpunk release was precisly its cyberpunk aesthetic, most people would find a hard use for those minis, sci fi is fine as long as you do something like jukys knights release where hasically the whole release can be used either in dnd or proxys for Warhammer age of sigmar, if you did a sci fi release of tau l like robots, necrons or even better savage space orks, people would throw money at you, especially with the news beast snagga release coming up. Jeez just do a bunch of gundam and ill throw money at you...
Pitolek1993
2021-07-08 12:40:35 +0000 UTCMy main interest is Fantasy. I simply have little or no use for Scifi models. I do think there is a market for it, but it will have to be compatible with the 40K stuff or it won't appeal to the wider audience. There are many patreons and companies who produce Scifi and / or Fantasy so it's not like there isn't enough out there. One of the things I like the best about your stuff are the things that stand out from others. But I'm no gamer, I create and paint armies for fun, I just happen to be more into Fantasy and Scifi stuff would probably not get printed/painted. But your Egyptians and now the Paladins do have some models that can be used in exisiting Scifi Universes. One of the suggestions above could solve part of you problem. You could create a Unit and make separate weapons/gear so we could choose to print it as a Fantasy creature with a sword and shield or a Scifi creature with a blastergun and a jetpack? You did the Vampires with and without masks, you could do a unit with a fantasy head and a scifi head? Things like the Reliquary in the Paladin set work well too.
Glitterwolf
2021-07-08 12:40:10 +0000 UTCI love your Style and i realy Love scifi and cyberpunk. But your Cyberpunk Release was to Strange and Abstract for me. I Just couldnt use this over the top Minis for my Games.
Falco
2021-07-08 12:40:00 +0000 UTCSure do a sci fi set but please give me enough of a heads up so i can cancel for that month. Thanks!
David Aleshire
2021-07-08 12:36:53 +0000 UTCHere are my thoughts on this. I would love for you to do a Sci-Fi set, but you need to look at what games folks are playing and maybe insure that the models created can be used in those games. I play Stargrave, Five Parsecs from Home, Starbreach and several other minis games as well as some Sci-Fi RPG's, so that would be what I am looking for, models that I can easily use in any or all of those games. My two coppers worth.
Ron Purvis
2021-07-08 12:35:59 +0000 UTCJust toss in a 75mm scale mini or bust that that is scifi themed. And make it a really epic design worthy of competition level painting.
67Steg
2021-07-08 12:32:25 +0000 UTCSci Fi is so genre specific. The Grimdark theme would probably have the most appeal. Some attention could be paid to where a particular theme could overlap with other genres. Some of the Grimdark ecclesiarchy stuff lends itself to high fantasy with some equipment swaps. Grimdark and dieselpunk could also overlap. The problem with cyberpunk vs grimdark imho is that they are hard to use together. Your cyberpunk release -- which was very cool -- was too glamorous for the Grimdark fans and the gritty cyberpunk a la 2077 is technologically too early for a future where there is "only war". I do love your Raging Heroes sister of battle proxies though, I would love to print them. but I understand why that might not be possible; but, the reliquary procession from this month will be getting some servitor skulls and cherubs after I print it.
Stewart Walker
2021-07-08 12:31:21 +0000 UTCLet's just say i love your stuff, beign it scifi or fantasy doesn't matter in the end... What I'm really concerned is the fact that we still don't have a sort of backup... It's two (if not three) that you've announced it... and still no sign of this...
Hans-Walter
2021-07-08 12:30:45 +0000 UTCThank you for the insights, as always appreciated. The main reason I became a patreon, an overlord at that, is because I think your style is truly unique. The Mythology releases have been some of the best work I´ve seen out there. Personally I don´t have a lot of use for direct proxies or sci-fi models. But I realise that there's a market for that. Above all I think you have to follow your creative insights. I would even say that even though I don't use sci-fi, I'd keep subscribed if every 3 months there was 1 sci-fi month. I hope you find a way to sate the majority, and make a living for yourselves. Thanks for all the hard work.
Kristian
2021-07-08 12:27:42 +0000 UTCMy self i prefer fantasy or Gothic horror but I would have zero issue with a few scifi releases. Maybe because I don't use any of this stuff I just find it all so interesting and love printing and painting when I have time.
Darren
2021-07-08 12:25:08 +0000 UTCTo be fair, i don't like scifi in general. Most scifi files i buy are based on games and it is to make display pieces of. But a whole range of scifi would be dissapointing. from the cyberpunk release i only printed one, from most releases i print at least 8 models so yes if you announce a new scifi release i would drop out for that period...
xander bogaert
2021-07-08 12:24:44 +0000 UTCWould love to see some compatible minis for things like Dust 1947, or some of the different 40k armies, like Custodes. Doesn't even have to be people if you want to flex your vehicle designing chops ^_^
John Lacy
2021-07-08 12:24:01 +0000 UTCI'm an avid gamer of various 'punks' and 40k, so I'd love to see some more sci-fi/modern/alt-history minis ^_^ I quite enjoyed the cyberpunk ones, though I may not get much use beyond the print and paint, that's still fun!
John Lacy
2021-07-08 12:22:46 +0000 UTCNo mater what the nay-sayers repeat on these forums, proxies and pinups will win the day just like it has for other creators. You can still make new stuff in the RH style within the overall scope of pre existing wargaming hype and I will place bets that your latest release will be a testament that following the known formula is the best way to go. I'm happily staying subbed due to the current release even though the 'casters of storm' are not in my arsenal... purely because of the precedent that this release has set.
Reavernator
2021-07-08 12:22:30 +0000 UTCBonjour, pour ma part j'ai longtemps hésité à participé je suis un grand fan de vos oeuvre sur la branche sci fiction .. je participe depuis février pour espérer avoir un mois type 40k - armure ou pas eldar ou pas ..je sais déjà que beaucoup de figurine de ce mois ci vont avoir des petites conversion et finir dans mes armées de soeur de bataille (Full Raging) et dans mon armée de custodes. je vous soutiens depuis le départ et je suis heureux de soutenir une entreprise française. j'attend avec impatience 1 ou 2 mois accès science fiction grim dark :) :) Merci à vous
Thony Duphil
2021-07-08 12:21:47 +0000 UTCI first signed up for the cyberpunk stuff and I have been very hopeful for more but I think it needs to be more obviously useful in 40k because let’s face it, that is what most miniature enthusiasts play. Put out some sister’s of battle proxies or some mechanicus proxies and I bet it will be another story!
Aubrey Ramage Lay
2021-07-08 12:21:44 +0000 UTCSi fi is great. Some can work with warhammer 40k. Like an adeptus mechanicus style.
Ryeguy
2021-07-08 12:18:57 +0000 UTCDang, I'm surprised there was such a negative reaction to the Cyberpunk release. That was my favorite release and very original.
Matthew Barrett
2021-07-08 12:17:31 +0000 UTCI really want some sci fi pieces. But im a collector. I don't get the models for games, my games are mostly theater of the mind, and online. The models are just for me, so im interested in q much larger range
Alice
2021-07-08 12:16:51 +0000 UTCFirst of all, thank you for such an open and comprehensive communication about your decisions behind the final product, this post has solved most of my questions. Personally, I can make use of both styles and although I wasn't a Patreon back at the Sci-Fi release, I'll get it as soon as I can. If making a choice for un upcoming release, I'll actually probably go Sci-Fi. In case you don't like to alienate the full fantasy Patreons and decide to open a twin account only about Sci-Fi, I'll be there, but since the resources needed to pull that off are massive, I completely understand you not going this route. Given your release quality and unique style, I'll be on board either way.
Irisknife
2021-07-08 12:14:24 +0000 UTCAll great sentiments. I think a big thing is that you're right - no matter what subgenre you pick, some will be unhappy. But right now your one subgenre is heroic fantasy - catering to the D&D fanbase that is already an incredibly saturated market. A market that has a minority of vocal fans who are "my way or the highway" which is incredibly unfortunate. Personally, my favorite genre of sci-fi is heroic science-fantasy - most specifically, starfinder. Aka: D&D in space. Not only is it a style that can hit so many other subgenres, but it also melds well with traditional fantasy. Every single release you've had so far could have a few models reskinned as more sci-fi. It could be great to just continue with the fantasy releases, but throw a few futuristic/modern flair models in that meet the same vibe. For example, Egyptian gods were an amazing pick for fantasy - but with a bit of flair not unlike that of the Stargate series, you could allow some sci-fi models inside the same theme. While a unique flair like cyber punks was great, I think RH could flourish most if they melded the two together. At the end of the day, the hulking brute with a sword and armor is still good in sci-fi with a more chromed paint job, but swapping a bow for a gun or a spear for a laser cannon is a simple alteration (and a great choice for the modular Overlord models)
Ruka Amick
2021-07-08 12:13:06 +0000 UTCI love the tough girls of the galaxy range - so compatible as imperial guard subs and your battle sisters range is awesome - again - I'm 40K, necromunda so if it can fit those settings i'm in - otherwise I prioritise despite loving the sculpts and theme. For me - the centrepieces are cool but I haven't printed one yet - if you subbed out a squad of somethign futuristic or some future architecture - maybe a release in a hive context or something (just brainstorming here)
Nivkt
2021-07-08 12:11:51 +0000 UTCJust a thought, but why not find some models that can work with different weapons. I can see the clerics in this months release looking great with ‘boltguns’ - you have done that on your regular website store, some of your kits are sci-fi/fantasy but with just a weapon change. I know that would be a little more work for you, but that’s a heck of a lot less than redesigning entire model ranges or offering a second patreon (which I know I would end up paying for…)
Etienne Paul
2021-07-08 12:09:59 +0000 UTCThis is a relief to me. The cyberpunk stuff is what got me to sign up in the first place. I actually don't have much use for fantasy stuff and was hoping for more stuff in a 40K or Shadowrun kind of aesthetic down the line.
Slaaneshi
2021-07-08 12:09:35 +0000 UTCI was one of the people that wasn’t excited for that release. I loved the video and the miniatures were 1000% cool I just couldn’t figure out their use/application. I’m actually planning to use a few of the models later on now. I think a lot of us that do sci-fi are probably more inside the gw/40K styling. But I do think there is potential for making models and terrain that let that world develop more, necromunda is a prime example, I would love for people to populate that gang world with but it’s nearly impossible to find sci-fi oriented minis that aren’t all weapons or futuristic terrain that isn’t loosely based on 40ks sector mechanicus. I understand the demand for those things, but things that fit into that world would still be really nice.
preston neill
2021-07-08 12:08:10 +0000 UTCI like your passion, I just don’t have use for futuristic minis. I’m sure many people feel the same. It’s not that they’re bad minis or that we hate them, they’ll just never get a use.
james moore
2021-07-08 12:05:25 +0000 UTC
