Daily Premium Links ft. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia & The Acolyte
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The Acolyte 1x8
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Comments
"People need to stop hiding behind review bombing to hide from criticism" Or, people need to stop using the fact that they have genuine criticisms to pretend that review bombing isn't a problem.
Rufus May
2024-09-07 17:10:54 +0000 UTCTo clarify, cinema has been about making money for a while, but the phenomenon of using review scores as arguments for a movie's quality, in a world where review-bombing exists, seems insane. And before anyone argues I'm saying people shouldn't be able to express their opinions, that's not the point I was making. Professional reviewers used to be valued on their ability to analyse a film's themes and comment on its artistic merits, which was just their opinion, but there would be a body of work to legitimize them and their reputation would hinge on their integrity and consistency. Nowadays a reviewer can produce an unhinged hate-piece about a movie they just clearly didn't get, and there are no consequences, their reputation doesn't suffer, and their fans don't actually care, because they actually watch their videos for marching orders. (One of the best examples being the Glass Onion review by The Critical Drinker - where he needs to completely misrepresent the movie in order to make it sound bad)
Balmung
2024-09-07 08:19:02 +0000 UTCNo worries about spamming! Yes, there have been other words, it's reaching a fever pitch in the last few years. I remember having almost this exact conversation when rings of power came out, with the exact same arguments. The truth is that the quality of media has become irrelevant. "Okay" things are now spawn of satan, good things are mediocre and the things that are praised as masterpieces end up being the blandest art imaginable (snyder cut). Media appreciation is no longer about themes, it's about box office and rotten tomatoes. Subtelty is insulting and politics is ibdoctrination. The Joker is running the asylum, and now he's singing? That was a joke but basically when everyone can give their opinion(which is not inherently bad), the stupid people become a lot louder
Balmung
2024-09-07 07:55:00 +0000 UTCThe term "diversity hire" was something I saw on TV from pundits and heard A LOT on news talk radio when I was growing up. That term was essentially the 1980's/1990's version of DEI from the same type of crowd we see in grifterdom today. There was 2024 levels of toxicity but it's just the only way people could vent their silliness was through talk radio, underground newspapers/pamphlets and the very early internet forums/chat rooms. As an example, there was an element in the Star Trek community that didn't like DS9 because they thought the lead actor, Avery Brooks (the guy in my profile picture), was a "diversity hire". If most 90's scifi premiered today, the youtube community would be complaining about DEI and woke nonsense. I apologize for spamming your original comment but there's a lot to say about the issues you bring up. You're right. If "A New Hope" premiered today people would be complaining about "DEI" and it being "woke".
Chaos T
2024-09-07 01:09:54 +0000 UTCI would love to see a Normies version of Chardee MacDennis.
Chaos T
2024-09-07 00:46:18 +0000 UTCA couple of things stood out to me while listening to the post-discussion for the Acolyte that pretty much encompasses why fans are not happy with the show. Suraj doesn't care about the Anakin prophecy, even flat out says "I don't care about that". Then you have Chris forgetting about the whole twin angle with Luke and Leia, which on its own is crazy. These two things reflect the showrunners because this is who they're making Star Wars for these days. It's non-fans telling actual fans what Star Wars is and it's insane.
Daniel R
2024-09-07 00:15:01 +0000 UTC#SundayRundown The reasoning I interpreted from Sol was that we don't know what these witches are capable of and Mother Aniseya begins to dissolve along with one of the children that are force-sensitive. That, coupled with the mentioning of "sacrifice" by Mae during her trials I think led him to believe Mother Aniseya was harming Mae with the dissolving power she was using so he was killing her to save Mae. The truth is we don't know what she was doing so yes you can argue that Sol should have done nothing but the way he sees it, he was saving Mae from whatever the Mother Aniseya was doing to her.
KIMOS
2024-09-06 23:15:47 +0000 UTCEspecially considering Keta has read the High Republic books.
Mavros
2024-09-06 22:33:05 +0000 UTCThe Jedi hate boner is so annoying.
Mavros
2024-09-06 22:31:08 +0000 UTCI think you'll find that until a few years ago no one used the word "woke" in the same way. If the original trilogy came out today, Leia would have been called a "DEI hire" and the Resistance would be accused of being Socialists for wanting to stop the Empire's "order".
Balmung
2024-09-06 22:18:33 +0000 UTCI would like to add a lot of the grifters are the same people who have complained in recent years about Star Trek being "woke" 😂🤣😆
Chaos T
2024-09-06 22:18:11 +0000 UTCGeorge Lucas had politics and political intrigue in Star Wars from the very start which is why the "woke" commentary from the typical crowd is pretty silly. It makes me wonder if the grifters actually understand Star Wars. Though the original Star Wars is geared towards kids, Lucas's criticism of American Imperialism and the Vietnam War were heavy influences on the original story.
Chaos T
2024-09-06 22:06:36 +0000 UTCI feel similarly as you do about being soured on Star Wars content. There's no real urge for me to watch new stuff. It's a similar feeling I had when the prequels came out and there was so much toxicity in the "fanbase" then.
Chaos T
2024-09-06 21:55:03 +0000 UTCI don't know what is it about the Acolyte that has brought to surface the very worst of the Star Wars fandom, something I hadn't seen since The Last Jedi. The show by itself is okay, some mediocre writing at times, superb action sequences and overall an average Star Wars show in my opinion. But people act like it killed their pets, saying they "loathe it", asking to be decanonised, etc. I'ts very ridiculous: Now it's been canceled (due to bad audience numbers while having a huge budget) and people were running to the actors' socials to mock them for it, particularly the actoress who plays Osha/Mae. Hmm, I wonder why. What these anti-fans (what George RR Martin calls this kind of people) want is more of the same, forever. If it was up to them, Star Wars would be endless Darth Vader hallway scenes and Prequel trilogy references. They are creatively bankrupt, yet they accuse Disney of that. The awful online reaction to this show has really soured my feeling towards Star Wars recently. I don't expect upcoming shows to fare any better, so I'm at a point in which I half want for SW shows and movies to stop for a while.
untzillatx
2024-09-06 21:43:44 +0000 UTCThe show has been review bombed. Despite having poor audience numbers, the number of user reviews at Rotten Tomatoes, imdb and the rest is greater than for all seasons of the Mandalorian combined. Loads of people didn't watch the show but made sure to put negative reviews because a youtuber or tiktoker told them to do it
untzillatx
2024-09-06 21:37:33 +0000 UTCI'll assume that by review bombing you also mean the hundreds of videos published after each episode, calling it the worst thing ever to happen to Star Wars. I don't think anyone is arguing that media should be immune from criticism, rather that the response some shows get doesn't seem proportional to the amount of "bad" they are, if that makes sense. Like, there are plenty of bad movies and tv shows, but they don't all get a dedicated video from the critical drinker and other incels, so there could be other factors at play. Sure, media can be bad, but dismissing that there seems to be a coordinated effort to stop certain media from existing would be naïve at best, intellectually dishonest and maliciously obtuse at worse.(not saying that's what you're doing, just to be clear)
Balmung
2024-09-06 20:38:19 +0000 UTCThe normies is a hive mind cuz what? did they all just not see it or? How clear minded would y’all be & react to a witch who you’ve already seen take over someone’s mind just turns into mist & one of the little girls u were trying to protect starts to turn into dust as well?
Sharrod Wolf
2024-09-06 19:50:42 +0000 UTCPeople need to stop hiding behind review bombing to hide from criticism if something is bad or doesn't appeal to the audience saying it's trash shouldn't just be waved away as review bombing
Daniel Gonzalez
2024-09-06 19:16:30 +0000 UTCThe Jedi are supposed to be a certain way they're an order that lasted for thousands of years if they were this petty I highly doubt that theyd have achieved that there's tons of characters they can do the stories you want with Star Wars doesn't need to revolve around the Jedi
Daniel Gonzalez
2024-09-06 19:13:46 +0000 UTCHe was let down by a terrible writing his character deserved a better vehicle than this especially the actor he learned English for this role
Daniel Gonzalez
2024-09-06 19:07:02 +0000 UTCOf course they're afraid; look at TLJ, look at the response to this show. Anytime SW takes a step away from the Jedi mythology the fans flip their wigs.
Christopher Alexander
2024-09-06 18:44:57 +0000 UTC💯
Christopher Alexander
2024-09-06 18:39:47 +0000 UTC#SundayRundown I loathe the last two episodes of The Acolyte. The whole appeal of the High Republic was that during the High Republic the Jedi were at the height of their wisdom and power. Instead we get ACAB Jedi even though the Zabrak mom was going to kill them even if they didn't take Osha to keep the Jedi from letting people know that the witches existed. The fact that the Normies had a hard time deciding whether to route for the member of the genocidal space religion or the Jedi shows just how badly the series fucked over the High Republic as a setting.
Trevor
2024-09-06 18:34:22 +0000 UTCMy heart breaks for Sol. He was definitely in the wrong. But I feel like he did what he thought was right and generally cared for the girls. Ultimately he was misguided and it sucks that he will be remembered as a disgraced Jedi by the Jedi order. Also the fight scenes in this show are sooo good. Appropriate use of force powers and complex choreography.
Estevan Sandoval
2024-09-06 18:31:27 +0000 UTC"Which is fine(it's not but ok) but why watch it?" I haven't seen The Acolyte, didn't really interest me. But there's a whole industry devoted to complaining about 'woke' media. That's obviously easier to do if the media in question is genuinely both 'woke' and bad, but neither of those actually need to be true as long as the content creator can pretend they are. The audience for that criticism doesn't usually watch the media being criticized outside of some out of context clips, but they do still review bomb it. It's all part of a made up culture war some insecure people pretend to fight so they can feel like they're winning at something by defeating strawmen.
Rufus May
2024-09-06 18:17:40 +0000 UTCI hope it gets Decanonized as well. Then maybe we can get a good Old republic story one day
Doc Anime!
2024-09-06 17:41:29 +0000 UTCThe Normies can be pretty ruthless against one another. They would probably do well at the emotional battery and public humiliation round of Chardee MacDennis.
Chaos T
2024-09-06 17:40:06 +0000 UTCLucas can't say Phantom Menace is for kids and make it about political intrigue. It sounds like a cop-out. It's perfectly legitimate to expect a bit more than pew pew voom voom from a series that has proven it can explore many different avenues. But again, I don't watch the star wars baby show, it's not for me. But it exists and I'm fine with that. It doesn't have to cater to me. I loved Andor, it's my shit, but I know some people may not like it. They're not "stupid" for having different taste. I imagine most of the people who hated the acolyte had already made up their mind when they saw the trailer. Which is fine(it's not but ok) but why watch it? I'm rambling now, but anyway thanks for the civil conversation. I myself find that I have trouble keeping a level temper sometimes.
Balmung
2024-09-06 17:31:15 +0000 UTCFor the most part I agree with what you're saying. The Star Wars fandom is anime level toxic and you're 100% right any deviation is going to get people angry. Heck, the community is struggling right now salty "fans" who don't understand the Expanded Universe isn't a thing. However, George Lucas has been consistent on his idea the Star Wars franchise was made for kids. Recent interviews and commentary have confirmed that. I'm not one of these people but it's understandable why some might be confused on the blurring of good vs. evil elements within this series. https://www.thewrap.com/george-lucas-defends-star-wars-prequels/ I also found this quote from the article kind of funny because he's right. People hated Ewoks at the time Return of the Jedi was released. The Star Wars community has always been toxic: "Of the ire that the character of Jar Jar Binks drew when he was introduced in “The Phantom Menace,” Lucas explained, “Everybody said the same thing about 3-PO, that he was irritating and we should get rid of him. When I did the third one it was the Ewoks: ‘Those are little teddy bears. This is a kid’s movie, we don’t want to see a kids’ movie.’ I said: ‘It is a kids’ movie. It’s always been a kids’ movie.’”
Chaos T
2024-09-06 17:16:20 +0000 UTCRevan take aside. Your previous comment to me read as if you were complaining about New content while whining about not getting an old blank slate character.
Mavros
2024-09-06 15:32:01 +0000 UTCI'm sorry, but it's one thing to say that a piece of media is made primarily for babies and another to say it's one-dimensional(which you didn't, to be clear). What Lucas said certainly applies to the first film but is basically null for the following. Pixar movies are for kids, yeah, but they're not dumbed down like the minions. There's layers and you can dig in if you want. I'm saying this because my perception is that any sort of deviation from what was established in the original trilogy and the prequels is seen as blasphemous. My issue with JJ Ambrams's films is that he just gave people what they wanted, and the result is TFA: a functional remake of New Hope, and ROS: It's about the old guys again, don't worry!! A group of Star Wars fans wants to keep reliving the original trilogy, and I say that it's still there. But to prevent new star wars from being new is absurd. And these people watch shows they actively hate, for some reason. I like star wars, but I don't like all of it. What I don't like, I don't consume, it's that easy.
Balmung
2024-09-06 15:22:21 +0000 UTCnever heard of true american but i know black card revoked. that is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO fun. great excuse to have brie back. navi can host with the rest of the crew (including mickey if he is so inclined) split into two teams. me and my found family squared played it in june and had a BALL!
rickie woodson
2024-09-06 14:58:07 +0000 UTCTo be fair, Star Wars has always been geared towards kids. It's going to always be "baby stuff". George Lucas has said the films were made for young teens. Star Wars isn't science fiction and leans heavily towards Tolkien high fantasy concepts of good vs. evil.
Chaos T
2024-09-06 14:29:31 +0000 UTCThe existence of Revan is canon now so he's a character. And yes...."whining" about new stories is better than the grifter attitude that see's dragons in everything. It's a completely valid complaint wanting to see new stories in the Star Wars universe. Various couch members on the Normies have expressed similar problems with the franchise. Micky got roasted and received tons of toxicity from the community here for expressing similar options along with other opinions that Star Wars "fans" were angry over.
Chaos T
2024-09-06 14:02:36 +0000 UTCOkay the Senator in this episode should have been introduced earlier. My guess is they waited till now to introduce him so he could play a bigger part in the next season. In one minute he put the Jedi in their place and his argument made sense he had valid points. But we also know what he is suggesting is something that helps Palpatine gain power and leads to the Jedi and Anakin’s fall.and at a least to me, this makes the fall of the Jedi much more a slippery slope. That’s a lot more grey and interesting, at least for me. It introduces new questions like should the Jedi have free rein? You could argue that free rein is what lead to what happened to Osha and Mae losing their home, and the 4 Jedi getting away with lying and their part in it( I realize the situation was a lot more complicated). Maybe things would have been different if they were more under heel, maybe worse. Now you could say we saw that in the prequels and it sucked. And sure but that was a Senate a 100 something years from now under Palpatine. What about this Senate right now? I think it’s cool to think about and would have been great to explore in a season 2.
Daniel Sessions
2024-09-06 11:21:41 +0000 UTC#SundayRundown Yes, the character in the cave that watched Mae and Qimir leave was Darth Plagieus. If you remember from Revenge of the Sith, Palpatine told Anakin “the tragedy of Dark Plagieus the Wise” Plagieus is confirmed by showrunner Leslye Headland to be Qimir’s Sith master, and he eventually became Palpatine’s master before being betrayed by him prior to the events of The Phantom Menace. We know Plagieus was obsessed with immortality, and the unique creation of Mae and Osha probably inspired him to the point that he became so obsessed with manipulation of the force to create life, causing the force in return to create Anakin.
Michael Pamon
2024-09-06 11:19:35 +0000 UTCRevan isn’t a character. Whining about creating new stories is not any better than the grifter attitude and if You thought the Chuds were toxic about new stories, they’d be hyped to be able to cry about the literal Self Insert character.
Mavros
2024-09-06 11:18:31 +0000 UTCChardee MacDennis is definitely a fan-favorite. Apparently it wasn't too fun to film, though. Part of it seems to have been that they sat around screaming at each other for hours, losing their voices. Another reason seems to have been that Kaitlin apparently gets very competitive when playing games in real life, which might've added to Rob not enjoying the filming process for this episode. Maybe it hit too close to home. Still, it turned out great, so I'm pretty sure they're happy with the results.
Haru Urara
2024-09-06 10:17:56 +0000 UTCThis has been expressed by other people in other words, but... The Star Wars fandom sucks. They want the same stories all over again, but like baby stuff. Good vs Evil where the good guys are paragons of justice and the bad guys are real MF'ers. But Star Wars hasn't been that since...i dunno...the first movie? Empire was a lot more nuanced, and so was Jedi. Luke wasn't this Lawful Good Paladin. He struggled. He felt himself give in to the Dark Side when he fough Vader on the DS2, and was only able to stop himself because the Emperor started encouraging him to keep going. This idea that the Jedi are a perfect organization can only come from watching Star Wars with child brain. If you can watch the same movie when you're four and when you're 30 and get the exact same thing from it, then you just have poor media literacy, I'm sorry.
Balmung
2024-09-06 07:40:52 +0000 UTCYeah I think it would have been better if it was like a moonknight situation
Chago_kiba_Lee
2024-09-06 07:32:00 +0000 UTCIt's also continually annoying the Star Wars franchise is sitting on a gold mine with The Old Republic era yet they continue to focus on played out old storylines or trying to introduce people to new things introduce through new books/comics that few people read. It's f'ing stupid we have nothing in live action centered around Revan.
Chaos T
2024-09-06 07:30:29 +0000 UTCThis series got hate when it was first announced years ago and the grifters were making content from it even then. This isn't the best Star Wars series but it also really didn't stand a chance in part because it had bias against it before anyone saw a frame of film.
Chaos T
2024-09-06 07:21:23 +0000 UTCWell yeah Star Wars period will always suggest and skate around the dark and weird because like the creator of the source material says to this day is that Star Wars is a children’s soap opera made for kids that’s why he praised the over acting in the prequels
Chago_kiba_Lee
2024-09-06 05:30:35 +0000 UTCMy problem with the Acolyte is that the premise is interesting, but they're afraid to let the story be dark and moody and weird. If you have a story about the Sith (and wanna make it nuanced) then let's fucking go there. This one foot in and one foot out is bothersome. Go dark or don't make this shit at all. And I say this as someone who was very open to a season two. I'm willing to let them cook. But it's clear that the studio still isn't capable of taking a full risk. They can't have the old Star Wars and the new Star Wars too. Either do something new and different and stop relying on the Yoda and the Skywalker of it all, or leave it alone entirely.
kelly
2024-09-06 05:12:17 +0000 UTCDamn tell us how you really feel man. I wasn't a fan of Acolyte but I do agree that some of the hate was misguided due to the actors being multiracial. But the show does have faults in the story, and I think it was not a story fans really wanted. IDK, I think its just too much content for he sake of profit so the quality isn't as good as it could be. Also, too much Jedi stuff. But thats just my opinion
Allan Jacob
2024-09-06 05:08:34 +0000 UTCBecause it got hate bombed by racist incells that can’t stand not seeing a white man on screen. This show was good and Ani was a cereal killer nazi from when he turned 18 or 20 and killed all those kids. No I’m not talking about the younglings either. I still don’t get it did yall not see the lil girl tuning into smoke and yall sound like someone who believes a lil girl is being abused and you just throw your hands in the air and say it’s none of my business different cultures do different things. Your still trying to put blame on one side only seeing the side you want to see as good. When both sides did very stupid stuff. All Soul saw was a witch turning into black mist looks over at the lil girl and sees she’s crying saying help me turning into smoke after hearing something about sacrificing yeah i would have stabbed that witch too.
Chago_kiba_Lee
2024-09-06 04:11:28 +0000 UTC
