Oren's Forge PG 174
Added 2020-10-26 21:01:00 +0000 UTC
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100% agree...predators kill to survive, people gotta stop making excuses for Hemlocks vengeful bs... Predators have to eat things to live get over it. One thing to DEFEND yourself its another to go looking for trouble or starting it. Hemlocks is the biggest hypocrite and pretender in this comic. Oren is on the right track and with Rask they will actually manage to UNIFY Predators and Prey under one banner and be able to utilize their strengths and weaknesses...they will become the most powerful settlement in their world easily... theres no place for vengeful murderers in the world Oren wants to create, Hemlock may very well develop into not a psychopath in the future but for now? She can get gone she isnt needed, not even as a fighter. Rask outclassed her 100% in the fight with yarrow, she was absolutely helpless.
Ceriu
2021-02-06 19:06:30 +0000 UTCBritishRabbit I think we're on the same page here. It's why I love this story because there is so much depth in the characters and story. I keep having to say people need to really place themselves in the characters positions to understand them. If you just read the story from the perspective of someone safe in their home, or you just to draw direct parallels to our modern world, then I can see why people would pass such harsh judgement. However I take the story telling on it's face, I accept the world as shown and view it as it's presented. I don't think these scenes are accidental, I think there are deliberate reasons to show what we are shown. I want people to try to think about if they lived in this world, not our world, and how they would view things if they can put themselves in another person's head.
BC
2020-10-31 20:39:49 +0000 UTCI highly doubt it will happen. At most it could be an accident, ie. She tries to skewer Rask but Sibyl or Oren jumps in the way and gets the blow themselves and Hemlock realizes too late what she’s become. Again, I doubt it’ll happen but who knows?
Maximus Coyotox
2020-10-30 01:46:16 +0000 UTCProbably wouldn't go down so easy with the others. Especially given the bodycount would be at three and Rask'd more than likely try to save his father's life. At least this way only Hemlock saw him try that.
BritishRabbit
2020-10-29 14:54:14 +0000 UTCAlso yeah to be fair even I fall into the trap of considering Hemlock to be somewhat villainous. If you're seeing things constantly through Rask's PoV it's hard to avoid that. Hemlock is pretty vicious and I can see why people don't sympathize with her but, equally I see *how* she ended up this way.
BritishRabbit
2020-10-29 14:51:33 +0000 UTCThe impression I have so far is that Rask and Egg are the exceptions that prove the rule, so far. I could be wrong mind you.
BritishRabbit
2020-10-29 14:48:11 +0000 UTCThis is a good point and something that frustrates me. People seem to react to 'hero vs badguy' trope more than the reality of the situation. We haven't even really discussed that possibly Rask even being there is what allowed another Martin to kill the others. They would possibly have smelled a martin and assumed it's Rask and not been on guard as much, or maybe hesitated a moment thinking they saw Rask instead of his father.
BC
2020-10-29 10:39:27 +0000 UTC`. because anything with sharp teeth and a pulse will almost certainly try to kill and eat her.` To be fair, I think the issue isn't so much that they will try to, but they have the ability to? I think it's more about the risk/reward vs the absolute certainty, but maybe I'm playing too much devil's advocate?
BC
2020-10-29 10:35:34 +0000 UTCI feel like I'm reading a different story than everyone else when I read comments like this. Teagan has written so much depth into the characters, I don't feel like anything here is simple black and white morality and yet people want to constantly categorize people into the good guys and the bad guys. The Irony is maybe it's that kind of judgment this story is trying to talk about and yet people reenact it in their hatred of Hemlock. Unless you want to argue the Hemlock backstory is an 'unreliable narrator' falsehood, we know from her own personal experience that the 'hunters' not only ate her family, but also tortured them sadistically for pleasure. This is a bit of an escalation from the 'sadly we need to kill in order to survive' narrative of the reluctant predator. Rask's own backstory has the story of the wolverines who kill beyond what they need to survive. Rask himself reflects on his own 'crimes' of killing and eating herbivores and thinking nothing of it. It's only out of desperation that Rask is in a position to empathize and try and coexist with those who he would previously have killed without a second thought. The prey animals in this world have grown up in a constant fear of being killed, and from Hemlock's backstory not only a possibly quick and clean death, but also to be tortured beforehand. We understand Rask because we've followed him throughout this story, if the story were told from Hemlock's perspective then maybe we'd not be so quick to judge her? After all we wouldn't know if Rask is telling the truth, maybe we'd be waiting for the 'big reveal', and then his dad shows up and kills her friends... At the end of the day, I think the issue ultimately is that Hemlock has lost so much she's unwilling to look beyond the danger that the 'hunters' pose to her new family out of a fear. The reality is that maybe they don't stand a chance anyway, from the look of it even with spears a pack of hunters could roll in and wipe them out anyway... The world of Oren's Forge is grim and unforgiving, I think the people who judge Hemlock too harshly should re-read the comic from the start and try to absorb how dangerous and unforgiving this world is in the comic. Sorry for the long post, this is just a constant refrain everytime Hemlock goes off the rails and starts sounding like a rabbit dictator. I don't actually support her abusive behavior, I feel I shouldn't have to explain that all of this is in the context of a fictional world in which intelligent animals kill each other for food. Maybe I'm taking the setting too seriously?
BC
2020-10-29 10:34:49 +0000 UTCYarrow kills Hemlock, then Rask pins Yarrow, enter oren and co. They see Rask has pinned Yarrow and realize he is on their side. Easy.
Amber
2020-10-29 00:59:11 +0000 UTCOh yeah it's a friggin' tinderbox, Sprig dieing is not gonna help either.
BritishRabbit
2020-10-28 01:25:52 +0000 UTCFor now, but it way turn for the worse in the future. And even if she stays "reasonable" some of her followers may be more unstable, or have more selfish motives, making the whole affair even more explosive.
Reseen Dalls
2020-10-27 21:18:56 +0000 UTCI'm a lil' worried Hemlock is already undergoing villain decay. The last few pages feels a far cry from how Sprig was talking up her fighting ability, or how she nearly drowned Rask when she first found him. Which gives a lot of people the impression she's unimportant to the hollow in general (protecting it from threats.). I was hoping and still am hoping she'll be used for more than being wrong v Rask being right, but the last few pages have shaken my faith there a bit.
BritishRabbit
2020-10-27 04:51:32 +0000 UTCHe *did* just announce his desire to bring yet more predators to the Hollow and the last one killed two of the denizens and almost her.
BritishRabbit
2020-10-27 04:17:37 +0000 UTCWhat's Rask going to do against Wolves even he had to run away from? He's not a superhero, he's as likely to get torn apart as Hemlock.
BritishRabbit
2020-10-27 04:16:41 +0000 UTCI doubt she'll go for Oren.
BritishRabbit
2020-10-27 04:11:11 +0000 UTCGood luck explaining to Oren and Co why only He and Yarrow survived while Sprig and Hemlock did not.
BritishRabbit
2020-10-27 04:10:52 +0000 UTCWhy is everyone obsessed with the idea of Hemlock turning on other Herbivores?
BritishRabbit
2020-10-27 04:10:32 +0000 UTCDamnit Hemlock. Well, luckily Oren arrived just in time. It feels like she's trying to convince herself as much as the others at this point. Truthfully it's not too suprising, Rask did start talking about bringing yet more predators to the hollow.
BritishRabbit
2020-10-27 04:09:24 +0000 UTC... because anything with sharp teeth and a pulse will almost certainly try to kill and eat her. It doesn't leave a lot of room for doubt.
BritishRabbit
2020-10-27 04:08:41 +0000 UTCIf Hemlock wants to see a real threat, a real monster, she needs to look in a river at her own reflection. She's become worse than the creatures that she hates so much. Regardless of how they do it, predators hunt for survival. Hemlock on the other hand, kills anything with sharp teeth and a pulse.
Heather Jones
2020-10-27 02:24:34 +0000 UTCAfter everything she went through, losing her kits and warren... she's not mentally stable. At all. Its understandable and sad, but she's becoming a risk to everyone...
ACWN Designs
2020-10-27 00:48:30 +0000 UTCPoor Rask. Sprig himself had told him so: even if he offered her his teeth she would find a reason to kill him eventually. And now it seems the conflict between her and Oren is coming to a head, and may soon turn violent...
Reseen Dalls
2020-10-27 00:37:41 +0000 UTCHe should have let Yarrow kill her
Amber
2020-10-27 00:37:10 +0000 UTCRask is all like "BRUH". but yeah, really interesting to see where this goes from here, will hemlock be banished? reformed? Killed? so many questions now.
Maximus Coyotox
2020-10-27 00:07:28 +0000 UTCWhat's up Oren, mushrooms are grown?
sansanik
2020-10-26 23:33:19 +0000 UTCI called it, knew she was gonna attack.
Brooklyn Forge
2020-10-26 22:30:10 +0000 UTCIf they realized that he can be trusted, h's a bigger asset too their safety than even hemlock is. She not only almost murdered her innocent, unarmed rescuer while he was on his knees - she might have actually doomed stone hollow by killing off the only (able-bodied) predator willing too help them.
Chris Jones
2020-10-26 21:43:46 +0000 UTCNot only that, if he's telling her the truth about his feelings, then he's actually a major asset too everybody. She couldn't even fight a single, distracted marten... While Rask is no wolf, he's by far the strongest potential defender of the hollow. Might even be her replacement if she keeps being an absolute psyco :p
Chris Jones
2020-10-26 21:37:15 +0000 UTCHave to admit, I’m disappointed with how this went, though it does make sense with what we’ve seen of her character. Still hoping things work out, though I have to admit, I doubt they will. Let me emphasize though, that this an excellently done page. Fantastic expressions, as usual, and makes me interested for the next page.
Bruno Schafer
2020-10-26 21:37:14 +0000 UTCYou think she would at least acknowledge that the Martin just saved her life. Crazy pages!
SinisterVibe
2020-10-26 21:25:20 +0000 UTCNot only will his death not help anything, but his death is totally unwanted! She would've just killed him In Cold blood.
Gato909
2020-10-26 21:13:42 +0000 UTCShe fails to realize that if it wasn't for Rask, his dad would have killed her and slowly wiped out the stone hollow, and he wasn't a pack of wolves, but just one pine marten..... Rask could be of so much help to Oren and and the others..
Berto
2020-10-26 21:08:32 +0000 UTCI figured she would respond like that. I had hoped against it, but expected it none the less. Not a hard guess to make given her history of blatant hostility. Honestly, Oren should either cast her out or just kill her because she's only a liability remaining as she is.
Tygre13
2020-10-26 21:08:15 +0000 UTC
