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Quick thoughts as the Yankees reportedly emerge as the favorite to sign Marcus Stroman

According to Jon Morosi, who’s had a very hit or miss offseason, the Yankees have emerged as the leading candidate to sign free agent right-hander Marcus Stroman. He says they’ve had “productive discussions in recent days.” It has been quite a few days on the Stroman front:

Who’s correct? Who knows! I can buy the Yankees have interest in Stroman given their rotation needs and the fact he’ll come cheaper than Jordan Montgomery and Blake Snell. I could also buy the Yankees having no interest, and this frontrunner stuff being Stroman’s camp trying to drum up interest and create leverage against whatever teams are actually interested.

Now 32, Stroman is pretty obviously a fit for the Yankees on the field. How the Yankees order their rotation and where he slots in is ultimately irrelevant. Their No. 5 starter right now is either Clayton Beeter or Will Warren (or Cody Poteet), and Stroman would bump those guys down a rung on the depth chart and add a legitimate Major Leaguer to the rotation.

Injuries (shoulder, hip, ribs) prevented Stroman from reaching 140 innings each of the last two seasons, but, when he’s healthy, he does eat innings. Stroman averaged 5.9 innings per start in his first 20 starts last year (the MLB average was 5.1 innings per start in 2023), before the hip began to act up, and 15 times in those 20 games he completed at least six innings. He did that while throwing 100 pitches only twice.

That’s always how things have gone for Stroman in his career. His sinker, cutter, and curveball work in such a way that he seems to get at least one first or second pitch ground out per inning. Stroman’s always been ery efficient and the Yankees could use another starter they can reasonably count on for at least five and ideally six innings each time out.

Stroman had a 2.88 ERA (3.55 FIP) and held opponents to a .203/.278/.282 line in those first 20 starts last season, then he completely collapsed and allowed 26 runs in his final 18 innings. Maybe we can blame that on the hip injury. I dunno. On one hand, a healthy Stroman can be a very good pitcher. On the other hand, healthy Stroman is becoming increasingly harder to come by.

There are a few signs of decline. Stroman’s gone from being an elite ground ball guy (regularly above 60% with the Blue Jays) to merely above average the last few years (53.0% from 2021-23). He’s a single digit swinging strike rate guy and he’s allowing more hard contact as well. Seems like normal age-related decline to me.

A good infield defense is a must behind Stroman, so much so that, if the Yankees do sign him, playing Oswald Peraza during his starts would be a good idea. DJ LeMahieu isn’t a bad third baseman by any means, the Yankees will need their most athletic players on the field. Range and the ability to charge weak grounders will be a must behind Stroman.

Stroman was never really an ace, he was always more of a good No. 2 at his best, and now that he’s in his mid-30s (he turns 33 in May), you should probably expect something a little less than No. 2 production. I’d sign up for 160 innings with a 3.80 ERA in a heartbeat. Anything more is a win. Less than that, well, such is the risk with 30-somethings with a recent injury history.

What’s a reasonable contract? Beats me. This free agent market is hard to pin down. Stroman opted out his Cubs contract and left one year and $21M on the table. He’ll get more than that, at least across multiple years and more likely per year. The Yankees typically do not sign non-elite starters to multi-year contracts. That would have to change to land Stroman, right?

(Stroman was not eligible for the qualifying offer this offseason because he received it earlier in his career. There’s no draft pick compensation or anything.)

As for the off-day the field stuff, Stroman’s done some what I’ll call “Kyrie-esque” posting, and he can be a headache. It’s pretty telling that, as good as he’s been throughout his career, none of his previous teams made much of an effort to re-sign him. The Blue Jays didn’t, the Mets didn’t, and the Cubs aren’t. Stroman has worn out his welcome wherever he’s played.

There’s also the public back and forth with Brian Cashman that started when Cashman said he didn’t see Stroman as a difference-maker in response to a Sept. 2019 question about not getting him at that year's trade deadline. Stroman then took shots at the team’s rotation and the lack of recent World Series titles despite the payroll, and he was still going as recently as Nov. 2021.

That was all very dumb and unnecessary and not something that figures to stand in the way of a potential signing. They can be adults about it and have a productive professional relationship. That said, the first question Cashman will have to answer is “if you didn’t see Stroman as a difference-maker in 2019, why do you see him as one now, when he’s five years older?”

Stroman will have to answer questions about his criticism of the Yankees too. That’s just the way it goes. Cashman and Stroman know that and they’ll both put on a happy face and act like they love each other at the press conference. Players and GMs don’t have to like each other. The players kinda have to like each other though, and Stroman’s ruffled a few feathers in his day.

Assuming a reasonable contract, Stroman would be a good addition on the field with a chance to be a great one. Maybe not a big chance to be great given his age and the recent injuries, but a chance. The off the field stuff, well, that’s on the Yankees and Stroman to figure out. As an outsider, he can be annoying and that’s putting it mildly. The Yankees don’t seem to mind though.

Comments

Donaldson, Verdugo, and now Stroman. I'm noticing a pattern here and its not one that typically ends well for the Yankees.

Spookie

I’m okay with it. Don’t love it, but okay with it. I think it’s more of a “beggars can’t be choosers” kind of okay though with knowing how the Yankees “operate” now.

Tabasco_Larry

Totally fine with him in addition to Snell or Montgomery

John G

Stroman and bauer,arrogant but not bad people

ramez hanna

Truthfully I'm sorta thinking just sign Stroman, Snell, AND Monty. This is a situation where we really need the arms, and I legitimately think we're a contender next season if we get em. I like all three pitchers, too, even though it's the most boring group of ace-minus-ish free-agent pitchers I've ever seen. But we can win with that team. It kinda makes me think of like Mussina/Clemens/Pettitte/Wells/Duque. Not the superstars of baseball necessarily, but all absolute beasts up who will destroy you in the postseason.

Michael Nelson

Oof. Yeah seeing your comment and others show that yes, I was indeed missing something haha. Not great.

Geoffrey W.

We just got free of Donaldson and German, we still have Rodon’s ego to manage (you did hurt the poor soul’s feelings you bad fans 😉), do we really need to add another notorious a-hole? No, we don’t.

Max P.

Signing him would free up trading Schmidt for someone better as well. I’m probably being overly optimistic about that though.

Eric Hendrickson

Hardest of nos for this me-first a-hole. Hated everywhere he's ever played, already got into it with our GM, and looked hurt and/or washed up at the end of the year. And we're going to throw tens of millions of dollars at him? Pay what it costs to bring back Montgomery, who's about as sure a thing as you will ever find, and go from there. Will it be an overpay? What else is new.

pkmuldy

Omg how did i forget that you already did one on Oscar! There’s goes my power. Thanks retroactively!

Jingling Baby

Cease really worries man. The ask is multiple premium pitchers and given he's a rebound candidate, it's way too much a risk. Over the years we passed on tons of high end starting pitchers due to cost, like Sale and Cole for example. If Cease is the one that we bend over for, that's just really desperate. I like cease, but his FIP suggests he'll bounce back to an extend but he's had a rising walk and declining k rate... It seems like the 2022 year was more 'lucky' then 2023 being 'unlucky'. Total pass. Trade for Bieber, the acquisition cost is much lower. And it offers more payroll flexibility for Soto which needs to be the number 1 focus this offseason and next. Even luzardo has me terrified. He's the epitome of a buy high player, first healthy year and first yr throwing 101+ innings. Get biebs, we'll play some of his music, and then round out the rotation in July for Burnes (who also has some worrisome perifs)

vincent gagliano

Ah I didn't know that he said that Mike. That's disappointing to hear, whether or not we sign him. I have been a fan of his from afar and I like his energy but I find that one a red flag.

Michael Nelson

Most of the fanbase have dis'd Cashman at some time or other. If he's good people will get over it really quickly

Robbie

I already did Azocar! https://www.patreon.com/posts/april-3rd-2020-35557016

Michael Axisa

I like Stroman. I'll root for that guy. I have no idea how he'd do here, but if we get Stroman I won't be angry. And also we need like three more pitchers, so why not.

Michael Nelson

Maybe it's me, but anything more than 2 years screams a really bad idea, regardless of the $.

Mark Fezza

On the plus side he would improve the rotation. Not sure what to make of his off-the-field antics. *Most* of them don't bother me, but a few of them do. The biggest concern is the one mentioned: All his teams eventually reach the point when they want to move on. I can live with it on a one-year deal. Could be more problematic, at least club house wise, on a three-year deal. A couple thoughts: First, all well and fine if he's but one of two adds to the rotation, such as Stroman and Snell, or Stroman and Burnes. It's more underwhelming if he's the singular addition. Second, maybe the Yankees interest isn't quite as strong as Morosi believes. Perhaps the Yankees leaked this to try and shake the Scott Boras free-agent tree in the hopes that Snell or Montgomery falls to the ground.

MikeD

Ruh Roh.

MikeD

Wouldn’t be as concerned if the manager had ability/willingness to discipline players…

Dan G

If he's getting more than 21 mil AAV, no thanks. If he can be had for 3 years at about 18 mil AAV, I'd do it. Hopefully, Judge & Cole could get in his ear and tell him to chill out.

JohnLag

Among other things, there's also an incident where he liked a tweet in which a mets beat writer is called an italian ethnic slur. Unacceptable considering he grew up in New York where there is a large Italian-American population, most which I assume are Yankee fans too

Phil

Mostly me but the others still have the keys and post occasionally. I admit the Patreon is much more measured lol.

Michael Axisa

I was looking at steamer projections the other day and Marcus Stroman looks very comparable to Jordan Montgomery. 180 innings, 4 era. Both don’t strike anyone out, Monty walks less batters. Don’t love it but what are their options?

Scott Varga

Mike who is it that posts from the RAB Twitter? Is it you or some of the former writers? I sometimes see a disparity in the tweets from that account compared to your posts.

Joseph Lodato

Oh that’s nice! Since I control you, Mike, I demand that you bring back Random Yankees this week and start with Oscar Azocar!

Jingling Baby

He's done the "who controls the media?" thing, yeah.

Michael Axisa

Am I missing something with the "off-the-field" stuff? He just thinks he's good at pitching and wants to be offered contracts from the teams he was playing for at the time? Plus the weird trash talk with Cashman? If that's all, he's got some work to do to catch up to Chapman/Donaldson/German/Verdugo. Regardless of his actual ability on the mound, the Yankees could use more guys who take baseball personally, I think. Dude wants the ball and doesn't care who knows it, that seems like a positive to me.

Geoffrey W.

Uh oh. Does he hate Jews and not believe in dinosaurs?

Jingling Baby

That’s my feeling. As the lesser of two SP signings this winter, fine. If he ends up being SP5 behind the question marks Cortes and Rodon, with Schmidt starting the season in a longman/swingman role, then that would help reboost the pitching depth somewhat. But he can’t be the only starter signed.

Kevin Carter

Still rather root for him than alrodis chapman.

Big Davey88

This has B A D written all over it.

I'm Not The Droids You're Looking For

Stroman would be **fine**, I guess, with the gigantic caveat that he wouldn't be the only acquisition to shore up the starting rotation before ST starts.

The Original Drew


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