Regarding our recent poll.
Added 2023-08-24 01:31:08 +0000 UTCHi guys, Anna and Ben here. We just got home from work to a pretty frantic message from one of our Mods. So we are typing out this post to explain where our heads are currently at, as well as our plan moving forward.
Polls
It has unfortunately come to our attention that Polls on Patreon are far from reliable if the intended purpose is for each Patron to only have a singular vote. We are able to get an OK understanding of someone with multiple accounts on the back end of things, but this is extremely unreliable and has only helped in this instance. This also allows for someone with multiple accounts to not only vote multiple times, but also comment and interact with other comments multiple times. This can lead to misleading statements, bad vibes, and in theory a lot more. One idea we had was to lock the comment section on Polls but we don't think that feature is available to us. Going Forward we are looking at a more reliable place to host Polls. We have a couple coming very shortly and still plan to host them on here if no better option is found but we will let you know!
Steins;Gate 0
The two of us stay pretty far removed from social media. Especially when it comes to anything related to Anime. We initially decided this to do our best to stay away from spoilers. We have a couple of Mods as well as an Editor to help us out with information and guidance when it comes to making some decisions that involve current and future shows. This practice is of course far from perfect, especially when none of them have seen a show like Steins;Gate. Since starting AutoSave we have always done our best to watch the current seasonal source material available to us as long as we can. We are pretty certain that we have watched all seasons of every show we have started thus far without having to win in a Poll. (Inserting Komi here, which was stopped due to multiple episodes being lost, so we never finished Season 1) Since neither of us knew if Steins;Gate 0 was a sequel season, canon material, or was intended for us to watch; as well as not wanting to do our own research for risk of spoilers. We had our mods look into it. Upon looking at other reaction channels and a few forums, they decided it was not likely considered another season. Therefore we decided to put it on a poll, since it was requested in our video asking for suggestions. After being told of recent comments, and truthfully none of us knowing what the correct answer would be, we have decided to continue Steins;Gate by watching Steins;Gate 0. We will upload Steins;Gate 0 Episode 1 on September 1st. We will wait 2 weeks from then to upload onto YouTube so that our tiers can be caught up due to serious time constraints. To be honest this was a weird decision to make, as we have previously stated if a poll is close in the future, we will only choose the winner. This should not be an issue in the future, if we figure out another place to host our polls. None of us on our team truly know what the correct choice to make is here, so we are trying our best. It sucks to be told that some people doubt how much we enjoyed this show in the first place, because of our decision to put it on a poll.
Bocchi the Rock!
We consider Bocchi the Rock the winner of this poll and will start this show as shown on our YT schedule. Before noticing multiple of the same person voting for Steins;Gate 0 it seemed like this is the show a lot of you guys think we will like ^.^ We are so excited to start this show with you guys. We thought of re-rolling the poll without Steins;Gate 0, but because of what our schedule is like the next few weeks (1 wedding out of state, work, and hopefully a vacation for the two of us) we will not have a ton of recording time. Please note that none of the shows that lose polls are forgotten about and we have a list them in an Excel spreadsheet. We are going to continue to put out shows you guys vote for, or in some cases just because we hear an influx of people thinking that we specifically would enjoy a show. We love hearing and watching what you think we will enjoy!
Lastly
We love watching tv shows with you guys and are doing what we can! We are working on some potential video game videos in our very little free time too! Also PS from me (Ben now talking) I was sent the comments on the Your Name reaction i posted with my little sister. I cannot begin to express how much they meant to me. I might post it on YouTube sometime soon after all because of them (:
TL;DR: two again, kind of.
Comments
Hey guys! I'd like to say first that I love how you guys analyze and discuss as much as you do with your content. So with that said, I would love if you guys reacted to Bakemongatari. I would even go so far as challenge you guys to watch it. It's a masterpiece of story telling and hearing your theories on it would be very interesting. Hope you guys are doing well, and I hope you consider this show!
Alexander Joseph Cruz
2023-10-02 09:09:29 +0000 UTCThey don't even have an excuse for this one since every good database indicates it's a sequel to Egoistic Poriomania (episode 25).
Zwei
2023-08-27 18:46:03 +0000 UTCTo hopefully avoid confusion in the future, this is a very good resource for most anime watch orders, I recommend bookmarking it: https://old.reddit.com/r/anime/wiki/watch_order (I hope links are allowed here)
Zwei
2023-08-27 18:22:53 +0000 UTCHi guys!! Idk if you guys gonna read this! Please try to consider reacting to Classroom of the Elite & My Romantic Comedy Snafu! This two are best for discussion.
Bakhtiar Rahim
2023-08-26 15:07:51 +0000 UTCI don't know where to ask this, but where do we make suggestions?
RimuruSimp
2023-08-26 12:16:51 +0000 UTCthis is sorta unrelated but is there any way you guys can post a weekly schedual anywhere. it doesnt have to be fancy, a spread sheet would be fine. im just kinda unsure as to what days certain things are released on .
Daniel Borrego
2023-08-25 19:57:19 +0000 UTCyou really wanna pay 5 bucks for a poll? i like ben and anna, but thats getting a bit rediculas. ps unless you ment the tier needed to do polls then i agree. maybe i misunderstood
Daniel Borrego
2023-08-25 09:22:43 +0000 UTCTbh nothing is perfect and there is no way to 100% prevent multiple votes, cause what can you do? Check every patreon account or voters' emails? We've already established that there are people with several of them. Raise the paywall? But poll voting is supposed to be the cheapest reward. I think hiding the results already minimizes the risks, cause people won't know if their votes are enough or which show is winning. With the system I've suggested it'll also be easier to spot identical votes if somehow 200 people will vote exactly the same. And it'll be harder for people to screw the voting, cause they'd have to re-login, then fill in the entire voting form instead of pressing just one button.
VidaWinter
2023-08-25 03:59:44 +0000 UTCAlt acount manipulation is something that will occur regardless of platform. Even with a monetary barrier on Patreon, which should filter out most alt account users, some are able to just toss money at the problem. That said, Patreon is probably the best way to filter alt account usage in polling. There are no solid methods I can think of to prevent alts aside from an ID verification system, which people would generally hate.
I3ladeDragon
2023-08-24 22:55:25 +0000 UTCi agree with everything said in here so far. The suggested poll idea, hidden percentages and higher pay wall if they decide to keep the polls as it is.
og meowmix
2023-08-24 21:50:28 +0000 UTC@ElectricAnt I am still waiting for the apology... :)
Jasmine Tea Enjoyer
2023-08-24 18:05:57 +0000 UTC@DennisAnimeFan As you just said, I didn't start it. I know its elementary school shit, "He started it!!! Not me!!!" but yeah, its true, I didn't. And I am going to respond to people calling me mentally ill... sorry but I gotta have some type of response.
Jasmine Tea Enjoyer
2023-08-24 18:03:53 +0000 UTC@Merfhew Do you have any comments specifically I made you have an issue with? I said "Bocchi Supremacy" once, in support of my fav show, and than was attacked by multiple people, being told to "shut the fuck up" and that I was "autistic". Maybe I shouldn't have responded or tried to defend myself as much as I did, but I think it was a pretty uncalled for reaction to me simply saying "Bocchi Supremacy". I fail to see where I was being nasty or toxic. That was Steins Gate 0 fans, not me.
Jasmine Tea Enjoyer
2023-08-24 18:01:53 +0000 UTCFirst I want to say that you guys are doing amazing considering this is not your main job! I just wish that Vinland Saga reaction was twice a week (but I know that's not possible so just pls ignore me in my sadness 😔 )
Bibi
2023-08-24 17:40:27 +0000 UTCYeah at the very least it should be hidden percentages until you submit your vote, and can’t be changed afterward.
Russell Gambardella
2023-08-24 15:27:53 +0000 UTCnice personality you got there
GastricSalmon36
2023-08-24 14:57:03 +0000 UTCThe issue with patreon polls is that everyone can see what is winning. So that makes it easier to manipulate the voting (or give up on voting for what you really want), cause people know exactly how many votes they need to add. Various reactors have noticed it too, so everyone does their own kind of polls. Personally, I still think Teeaboo's way of polling is the best, cause it's harder to manipulate and it gives more info about the community to the reactor. He makes a google form (so you'll need to have a google email) with a list of anime and multi-choice. So for each show you vote on a scale of "hell no", "no", "meh", "yes", "hell yes" giving a show -2, -1, 0, +1 or +2 votes respectively. And in the end you can also write whatever you wanna write about why you think the reactor should watch something. This system is not perfect either, of course, (e.g., it's hard for a controversial show to win, cause it's a split between "hell no" & "hell yes"), but it still miles better than the default patreon one.
VidaWinter
2023-08-24 14:35:12 +0000 UTCKinda ironic reply there, Ant. You're just as toxic as Jasmine, if not more. Try to self reflect more.
Joshua
2023-08-24 12:40:37 +0000 UTCWhat did you expect from a bocchi fan? A show about obnoxious loser attracts obnoxious losers, who could've guessed
ElectricAnt
2023-08-24 12:35:40 +0000 UTCUnfortunately some of your comments were very immature and contributed to a toxic environment (even if you didn't start it). I don't mean this in a mean way at all, but please try not to act like that.
DennisAnimeFan
2023-08-24 11:25:08 +0000 UTC@Jasmine -- It looks like you were correct about the vote rigging, but that doesn't excuse some of your other comments. I understand the desire to defend things we value (like favorite shows), but disagreements don't need to be nasty. You were not the only person engaging in uncivil discourse yesterday, but I think your comments stood out the most (at least for me). Please do better in the future.
Merfhew
2023-08-24 10:51:15 +0000 UTCmake polls from 5$ onwards. If someone is willing to pay double or triple, its his or her fault.
Raykel
2023-08-24 10:11:31 +0000 UTCYou absolutely called it, lmao. Really pathetic that they resorted to paying for multiple subscriptions. Like I know its not expensive, but still kinda sad.
Joshua
2023-08-24 09:23:58 +0000 UTCIf the mods read this, it’s worth explaining to Ben and Anna that episode 23B serves as a sort of introduction to Steins;Gate 0, so by watching episode 23B we are introduced to the Okabe that we follow in Steins;Gate 0, so it’s good to watch that first before starting S;G0.
Andrew Brown
2023-08-24 09:21:27 +0000 UTCHopefully their mods let them know that in order to understand how Stains Gate 0 begins they must watch episode 23 Beta
Adrian Jansen
2023-08-24 06:15:51 +0000 UTCSome people I guess just don't have a sense of fair play with regards to polls. Keep up the good work, mods, editors and of course reactors.
AJ N
2023-08-24 05:45:44 +0000 UTCMODS/EDITORS PLEASE INFORM THEM TO WATCH 23B OF STEINS GATE FIRST
Miniko
2023-08-24 05:39:58 +0000 UTCto all the MODS, please let them know to WATCH 23B FIRST or they will be confused.
lili
2023-08-24 05:29:50 +0000 UTCAs others have already said this, I'm just adding it for visibility, but to all the mods, PLEASE make sure they know to watch 23B first or we're in for a very confusing start.
Oak
2023-08-24 04:47:46 +0000 UTCVote rigging sucks. Toxicity sucks. The comments in the poll were a messy, toxic and immature sludge. Thank you to the mods and AutoSave doing their best in spite of these circumstances! Steins;Gate 0 is great and Bocchi the Rock is a ball of fun. If ever in the future you guys watched Ranking of Kings I'm sure it'd be an emotional experience for you guys too. I support you guys forever. <3
Zero
2023-08-24 04:33:12 +0000 UTCWhich is what I said on the poll thread and everyone was shitting on me for it... Turns out I was right.
Jasmine Tea Enjoyer
2023-08-24 03:52:57 +0000 UTCBocchi WINS Total Bocchi Victory And look at that! I was right about the Steins Gate 0 voter manipulation as confirmed by Anna and Ben. The people who made fun of me for my correct claim can apologize to me in the replies of this comment! :)
Jasmine Tea Enjoyer
2023-08-24 03:48:12 +0000 UTCI hope that this fiasco doesn't spoil your experience with Steins; Gate 0! The show itself is, as you know, convoluted and complex and it's ironically very on brand with the series to be confused by placements of things. Arguments can be made whether or not it "counts" as a season 2, but it very much is canon to the main series and further develops the world of Steins; Gate. Don't beat yourselves up, it would've been like asking you to solve a 100-piece puzzle blindfolded without realizing that the puzzle was 1000 pieces
sleepysorceror
2023-08-24 03:10:53 +0000 UTCPutting in another comment that Steins;gate 0 isn't a sequel but at the same time it kinda is. Hard to explain without spoilers honestly. From the things Ben and Anna have said about growing to feel like these characters are 'home' and just wanting to spend more time with them. Steins;gate 0 is a no brainer.
Mathew Landers
2023-08-24 03:07:35 +0000 UTCYea, anyone could really do that with the price. It's really pathetic tho lmao. They even said they engaged with multiple accounts in the comment threads?? I wouldn't mind if they locked the voting behind higher tiers, but I get that wouldn't sit right with many of their patreons.
Joshua
2023-08-24 03:06:38 +0000 UTCSo I’m guessing you’re not going to watch the Dejavú movie?
Justice Hastings
2023-08-24 02:54:49 +0000 UTCAs others have said, please whatever mods are reading this, make sure they know to watch Episode 23(β) first. It's a special version of Steins;Gate Episode 23 that leads into the events of Steins;Gate 0, and it is absolutely essential. They don't necessarily have to watch the entire episode, because only the ending is different. They could skip about halfway through, to rewatch the stabbing scene, and go from there.
HorriblyUnoriginal
2023-08-24 02:40:33 +0000 UTCAs someone relatively new to this community, I was unaware that Anna and Ben don't normally read our comments. Perhaps they've mentioned it somewhere obvious, and I just never noticed. I'm glad to know the mods relay our messages, but having seen some of the nasty things people said on the poll thread, I do regret that anyone is tasked with reviewing such hot messes. People really need to be kinder, whether they're talking to Ben and Anna, the mods, other Patrons, or even themselves.
Merfhew
2023-08-24 02:35:46 +0000 UTCThis extend of concern should show everyone how much you value your audience. Hopefuly you wont let some bad/doubting comments get too close to you because i am sure this is a minor opinion and these were probably written by those people in a short tempered moment. Everyone who knows you for at least some time is well aware how much time, thought, effort and heart you put into each of your videos. In the end its most important for me and hopfully most of your Patreons that you enjoy what you are doing. Never forget that =)
Felix
2023-08-24 02:34:52 +0000 UTCYES! Must remind them to watch the alternative episode before heading to 0. They will get confused if they didn’t watched it
Bakhtiar Rahim
2023-08-24 02:19:49 +0000 UTCI mean, it's just $1 per vote. A teenager (which is the demographics I assume would do something like this lmao) with a side job could easily spend $50-$100 on this
Breno Santos
2023-08-24 02:19:32 +0000 UTCSteins Gate 0 are not 2nd season but I honestly say it is still a must to watch cos it link with the original season and yes it’s canon.
Bakhtiar Rahim
2023-08-24 02:18:55 +0000 UTCReminder for mods that there is an alternative episode of final episode that leads up to steins gate 0.
Zipzip
2023-08-24 02:12:35 +0000 UTCThank you for acknowledging this. Steins gate is indeed not officially seen as a sequel, but it does close off the story in a way. It serves as an interquel, filling in gaps and finishing the story. And could very well be considered "season 2". I just hoped the mods would've considered the many comments leading up to the final episodes of SG, where people kept reminding them that SG0 is canononically the next thing to watch after SG. But i understand it is very confusing. Blindwave did a similar thing, I believe, and put SG0's fate in a poll and three years later, they still haven't reacted to the follow up of the story, which is very much canon. And probably, it would never make it back to a poll, never letting the guys finish the story. It would be really upsetting if this happens with Ben and Anna But anyways, I hope this double poll winner dillema doesn't tire you guys too much. Take care of yourselves.
Joshua
2023-08-24 01:55:08 +0000 UTCWhile I understand everyone who says Steins;Gate 0 is a different show - and I do agree, it technically is - it's such a direct slot-in to the original that it's like Naruto and Naruto: Shippuden in my eyes. Yes, they're technically different shows, but it's a continuation of the original show that's gotten a nice fresh coat of paint and a re-branding. It's as close to making a direct continuation as you can possibly be without just calling it the next season of the show.
IceMaverick
2023-08-24 01:54:14 +0000 UTCYeah I can see how this would be a tough one for the mods if they haven’t seen sg/sg0. If one wants to be technical, I guess it isn’t a second season; but for all intensive purposes, it really is.
Russell Gambardella
2023-08-24 01:52:28 +0000 UTCI wanted ranking of kings. But its whatever. I am more than happy with the peak 4 being mushoku, re zero, made in abyss, and vinland saga.
L.C.
2023-08-24 01:46:27 +0000 UTCMe still waiting for Bleach reaction one day :D
Slykou
2023-08-24 01:44:27 +0000 UTCThis kind of stuff is always tricky, there's too many people and too much media, and everyone wants something different. I'm sure you're doing your best, keep on keeping on! 👍
Nucl3ar Snake
2023-08-24 01:43:15 +0000 UTC❤️
Russell Gambardella
2023-08-24 01:40:23 +0000 UTCThanks a lot for this post, I already thought this would be the case, but I think some people here needed to hear it. So sorry that some people were really disrespectful and doubtful of you in the comments. You two really are genuine and don't deserve that at all. Have fun with Steins;Gate 0 and Bocchi the Rock guys! :)
DennisAnimeFan
2023-08-24 01:40:21 +0000 UTCYou guys are clearly trying to put out the best content possible while building and engaging with a community. That’s honestly all we can ask for IMO. I appreciate the concern and transparency. I’ve mentioned it before, but another reaction channel called Blindwave uses SurveyMonkey for their polls. They’re configured to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choices to accommodate these potential issues. I’d recommend exploring that as an option. Feel free to hit me up for help anytime since I frequently use the same platform in my marketing job.
John M
2023-08-24 01:38:01 +0000 UTCSomeone’s been making new accounts? That’s crazy
Jarue Teppen
2023-08-24 01:36:56 +0000 UTCAll is good. Thanks for the update! Make sure to watch episode 23B before starting steins gate 0. If you need someone to help with anime background info without spoiling anything, feel free to message me
mpk258
2023-08-24 01:35:57 +0000 UTCSorry for the confusion and tough decision to make. I am in the camp that SG:0 is a "second season" of SG personally even if others think otherwise. It's a bit complicated and I can see how people can be split in on the issue. Thanks for continuing SG. SG holds a special place in my heart and you two react to it beautifully. Bochi the rock is also great so that'll be fun when it comes up as well.
K_How
2023-08-24 01:35:49 +0000 UTC
