the Vampire Diaries 5x9 Reaction
Added 2023-06-17 21:09:37 +0000 UTCHere is the full uncut reaction to the Vampire Diaries season 5, episode 9, -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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I know many people in my real life with people I find absolutely trash and toxic but in the end what grownups do is their choice. You can accept their bad choices and move on from it or ruin a friendship by constantly bashing them for the bad choices they make. Caroline is coming close to just bashing and it's not becoming of her.
Mega Reacts
2023-06-23 16:12:56 +0000 UTCI mean, in a more "realistic" context, accepting or keeping your concerns to yourself when you see a person you care about get close to a well known and well established abuser it's a hard ask... If you say "fuck it, you do you"; You aren't really going to be happy or feel vindicated when that person gets hurt, you aren't really going to feel like going with the good old "I told you so"; that's not where your head is at But when it comes to the show, this situation and that last part in your comment about Damon putting the moves on Elena while she was with Stefan, all kindof falls into what has already been mentioned and talked about before: that we can love or "allow" certain things in this show simply because of their entertainment value, simply because it's cool to see or it creates drama or chaos or whatever situation we love to watch... That doesn't mean that it is ok or right or morally defendable, and we don't pretend that it is. The last part of my comment about Damon HARDCORE meddling and actually sabotaging Stefan and Elena's relationship was purely to showcase this double standard that can exist; a double standard created by bias, the bias of what we find entertaining... Like I said to Martina, ain't no way that you can question the morality or virtue of Caroline as a character because of her so called "interference" with Elena's relationship with Damon, but at the same time applaud or "love" Damon's actual interference with Stelena for the better part of 3 seasons... The only way you can or SHOULD justify that dislike of one and preference for the other, is quite simply by acknowledging that it is a bias based on what you find entertaining, what you like, the characters you like more or less, and such... Purely that... And there is nothing wrong with that, more power to anyone; just as long as we don't try to do gymnastics and bend ourselves into knots trying to give moral or "real" reasons to excuse those takes that we might have
Jesus Alejo
2023-06-23 05:05:26 +0000 UTCThere comes a point where you have to accept a friends relationship if you approve or not. I think it is time accept that two grown vamps want to be together. Is Elina better off? Probably not. And yes Damon was a terrible bro to Stefan putting the moves on his brothers girl but as an observer who like Damon I will allow it. π
Mega Reacts
2023-06-21 23:16:07 +0000 UTCThe question is whether that change is for the good, that's the whole point of this arc... We know for a fact that it has been good for Damon, but that isn't really that high of a bar; the real question that this arc is trying to answer or shine a light too is whether it is healthy for Elena... If the positive change is just one sided that it isn't that "perfect partnership" Also, I don't get where people get the idea that "Caroline is interfering on Elena's relationship"; it's not like Caroline has been forcing her away from Damon or actually physically doing ANYTHING to keep Elena away from Damon... All that she has done is vocally express her concerns and opinions, that's it... She even says so herself, that she isn't trying to "force" her to not be with whoever she wants to be with, just as long as Elena isn't blind or deluding herself about who and what that person is... AndI mean, If you really think this is interfering and that this is "too much from her", I wonder what your take is on Damon insinuating himself to Elena (which is an attempt to purpofully sabotage her relationship) for the better part of 3 seasons while she was, most of the time FIRMLY, with Stefan; the showing up to her room uninvited, appearing to her naked, assaulting her with an unwanted kiss and advances, going thru her underwear, etc... That should be a huge no no in your book then
Jesus Alejo
2023-06-21 23:07:52 +0000 UTCI always wonder what Damon should have done. Stay with Enzo and burn? Who among you would have stayed with Enzo to burn with him? Damon had to shut down his humanity to leave Enzo. He endured five years of torture,pain and humiliation. He was put in a cage, his name was replaced by a number and he was led around like an animal in a zoo. He endured all that without flipping the switch, but to leave Enzo, he had to. How traumatic it all must have been. And then he didn't tell anyone so as not to make Stefan feel guilty. I find that very tragic. He had shut down his humanity for many decades. It wasn't until he came back to Mystic Falls that he slowly feel something again. We remember in season 2 when Stefan says he doesn't fight Damon because he's glad Damon wants to feel something again after so long. So his switch was still flipped when he used Caroline. That's not to excuse anything, but it explains a lot. Caroline doesn't have to like Damon by any means, and she's allowed to voice her concerns about Elena's love for him. But to keep interfering is not acceptable. If I were Elena, I would have told her to stay out of my relationship. And of course Elena is changing. Damon changes too. That's just how a partnership works. Change is completely normal. People argue, disagree, reconcile and forgive each other. That's life.
Tina
2023-06-21 08:40:27 +0000 UTCI like vampire Elena and find Damons influence on her as a positive overall. But Elena is not my favorite character in general so her becoming more like a character I like is not surprising. I know what Damon did to Caroline is a hot topic and as far as I know it is never really said what all happened. I choose to believe in the not so bad situation as opposed to the full on horror it might have been. Maybe the show will touch on it more in the future.
Mega Reacts
2023-06-20 21:07:42 +0000 UTCI do think that it is heavily "writers inspired", for 2 very different reasons that go hand in hand with your point... First reason is that after the last leg of season 1, the writers and producers realized the huge popularity of Damon as a character and specially on the possibility of a redemption arc for him and how it was very appealing for a larger portion of the fan base; which is all well and good but that left them with a problem, while for the most part the haven't shied away much from showing Damon doing awful shit, a couple of Damon's actions are quite simply best left forgotten... Among those is what he did to Caroline, and given that she was also a well liked character, they decided to sweep under the rug what Damon did (which until these days is a source of discussion about sexual assault and more) and to never really brought it up again outside of Caroline calling him out on abusing her on 2x02... This, and other instances such as this, were done with the purpose of smoothing out the road for Damon's redemption a little bit by kindof overlooking some of the more controversial stuff he did... In turn that left Caroline's anger and hatred towards Damon, given that the writers decided for seasons to never actually recall out loud that he abused Caroline, to be perceived as her being a shipper choosing sides on a love triangle instead of a best friend horrified that her loved one is diving into a relationship with a known abuser, her abuser... That's the reality, the result of the writers trying to keep a lid on it for the sake of Damon's popularity And second, and perhaps more important, while I do think that Caroline has been always consistent with her dislike of Damon and that she has just been more vocal about it in the last couple of seasons, I do think that this more vocal approach (curiously still without actually naming and listing the specific reasons WHY she hates Damon, all for the sake of the perception of Damon's character) from Caroline does indeed play a significant role in the current storyline tied to Damon and Elena's relationship... So yes, like I said in my comment about how you will see more about how Caroline's complains about them play out, you can already realize that it is no coincidence that this things, this questions, these complaints towards their relationship, have been brought up front and center... The writers just choose Caroline to be spoke person for all of these story points in the arc; and it does make sense to use her character for it, but I do understand that it can come across as jarring given the lid that the writers themselves had put on what Damon did to Caroline... So now we have Caroline being more vocal about her dislike of Damon, but at the same time still keeping it "PG" by not having Caroline go into the details of WHY she just quite simply doesn't forgive him or gives him a pass like others have done... So yes, I do agree that it feels unbalanced from a writing standpoint; Caroline is being used as the character to voice and address many of the complains and criticism that many fans and even the writers and the actors themselves had at the moment about the Delena relationship; And yes, of course it can be explained within the story if you try hard enough, one could say that Caroline was never this vocal against Damon and Elena because she was with Stefan and she never really though that Elena would leave Stefan for Damon, but now that Elena has "fully drank the cool aid" she has decided to be more vocal about it, etc, etc... But at the end of the day, it is pretty clear that they needed Caroline to be the driving force for that specific arc in the Delena relationship, but at the same it conflicted with their original choice of keeping the specifics of what happened between Damon and Caroline away from people's mind for several seasons... That's why I wanted to point out that you pay attention to the real wording and the real points of complains that the writers gave to Caroline; not just her overall hatred for Damon, but specifically her concerns about what being with Damon means to Elena. because it does have a purpose story wise
Jesus Alejo
2023-06-20 20:53:22 +0000 UTCVampires gonna do what vampires gonna do. Lol. On a long enough timeliness they are all monsters.
Mega Reacts
2023-06-20 20:09:41 +0000 UTCI may have such an issue because of the writing. Caroline seems to me to have a bigger issue with Damon in this season than others. If her dislike towards him was more consistent I think it would sit with me better. Right now her anger seems to be more writer driven than character.
Mega Reacts
2023-06-20 20:08:08 +0000 UTCI mean, trying to equate the argument: "none of you have clean hands" to "you are all equally guilty" is a false equivalence... Just because Caroline has taken part in some of the things that led to someone suffering, and even the bad things that Caroline has personally done, don't equate even for a second to the amount of shit that Damon has done... Specially not to the members of their own circle, like, Damon has done does types of shit even to people that he claims to be friends with, and not just Caroline, he has hurt Bonnie, he has hurt Jeremy, Tyler, Stefan himself and even Elena I understand that, like you have said, you kind of say these things under your well acknowledge personal bias towards Damon, but there is no way that you or anyone can make the argument that Caroline doesn't have grounds, solid grounds, to criticize Damon's actions... Even that incident with the 12 witches is not comparable with the things that Damon has done, and even with what happened last episode with Jesse... Caroline spend that whole episode, that whole day, looking for ways to save Bonnie without killing those witches, without causing harm, and she only did it at the last minute when all other options were lost... What Caroline is criticizing from Elena is that she jumped straight to murder as her first resort; that even knowing that Jesse himself was a victim of something done against his will, even knowing Jesse and having befriended him and hear what happened to him, she still went straight for the kill when she could've done a number of other things to get him off Damon without killing him, she could've literally pushed that stake thru the back of his neck and/or mouth and that would've taken him down, but she went straight for the kill... Which in Caroline's eye, is something that Damon would do, that's his mentality: "kill first, ask questions later"; and Caroline is worried that Elena is getting corrupted by Damon... I think it's very important that you remember that, the exact wording and the exact nature of Caroline's complains against Elena being with Damon, because it is important writing wise... She hates Damon for what he is and what he has done, specially to her, but her specific criticism towards the Delena relationship is the fact that she is scared that Elena is changing for the worse under Damon's influence, that she is compromising who she is, that she is losing herself and her standards... Remember that for future episodes and we will get an answer on whether she is right or wrong directly from a very reliable source LOL Also, I don't believe that I agree with you statement last episode about Damon "having done enough good to equate the bad he has done" and that he has leveled out the bad with the good... If we are talking about Damon's life as a whole, NOPE, not even close; I mean, his kills probably count among the thousands and him being obsessed with saving and being somewhat empathetic to 1, maybe 2, people in the last few years of his life isn't balancing the scales at all... I mean, don't get me wrong, I would have the same opinion of Stefan, who I like very much, more than Damon and I think he is a far "better" person; but still, in the overall "cosmic" balance, he is down in the BAD category... They have just cause to much damage, even in for example Stefan's case, who has little to no control over his ripper side and he blacks out and looses free will over much of his killing sprees; even that at the end of the day doesn't erase his actions... And if we are talking about the bad done towards their inner circle or the bad that we've seen as a parameter, I still don't think that Damon has done enough to earn many people's forgiveness, specially not Caroline's... You do realize that he has never actually apologized to her for abusing her, right? Not only that, he doesn't even believe or cares to realize that what he did was wrong; he doesn't even think that he was behaving badly, he 100% justifies his behavior and what he did... He hasn't apologized or acknowledged his wrongdoing towards Caroline, towards Andy who he did the exact same shit, towards other girls that he has done that, like for example Vicky... Which is a real issue for someone like Caroline, who got hurt by Damon, everybody tells you that "he is good now" but you never actually hear anything about it and you have seen it do the same awful shit time and time again... So no, I don't agree with the sentiment that everybody, specially Caroline, "should've just forgiven Damon already"; and like I said, on Caroline's other concerns towards the Delena relationship, time will tell if her criticism is really unfounded and without grounds
Jesus Alejo
2023-06-20 20:02:43 +0000 UTCDamn, that was a great episode. Can't believe that I'd have totally missed out on this fantastic storyline if I hadn't started watching your reactions. I'm right there with you- I immediately love this new character. And the storyline revolving around him and Damon is what made this episode so damn entertaining! Can't wait to see both of their reactions when they meet again. I wonder if Enzo can find it in him to forgive Damon (I personally wouldn't blame him if he didn't. That was NOT okay Damon. Leaving your bro behind.) Shit this storyline really got me. There might have been one or two tears when Damon walked away from Enzo, leaving him to burn in the fire.
MsDanibanani90
2023-06-18 20:10:32 +0000 UTCYay!! I loved the Enzo storyline in this episode - finding out about everything that Damon went through. This storyline is so interesting. I liked Enzo too, I felt his pain when Damon left him, he was such a good guy and the plan was perfect but Damon being Damon - it all kind of went wrong. I'm excited to see the next reaction! I enjoyed seeing your shock and joy at seeing that Enzo is still alive! :)
Loki
2023-06-18 02:57:56 +0000 UTC
