the Vampire Diaries 4x7 Reaction
Added 2022-11-09 04:27:01 +0000 UTCHere is the full uncut reaction to the Vampire Diaries season 4, episode 7 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Damon and Elena's lovemaking was consensual. She kissed him and had those feelings for him way before becoming a vampire. The only reason it didn't happen before now was that something or someone always got in the way. I can understand Caroline's feelings towards Damon given the way he treated her in the beginning, but he had also saved her life more than once, helped her mother after she'd been about to kill him and Stefan and been there for all of them when needed (even if sometimes the initial trouble was his fault). Her interference in someone else's relationship is a bit off considering her attraction to Klaus. You don't do that. If it turns out to be a mistake, then you be there for your friend when they need you.
HeatherB
2023-07-25 11:35:27 +0000 UTCI completely agree that Caroline has every reason to hate Damon, and that if we were going by human rules he at the very least SA'd her. The thing that gets me about this episode and her being so against it tho, is that in the previous season she wasn't as vehemently against it. She told Elena it made her human to have feelings for Damon, and when Elena told them she couldn't choose between them, Caroline gently told her that eventually she would have to, which came off as not minding which brother she chose, just that she had to choose one. I like your headcanon though and will use that for myself from now on, that she was only this much against it because of her own feelings for Klaus and was projecting
Kitty Underwood
2023-04-04 15:06:22 +0000 UTCYes, I really enjoy respectful discussions. Those are always fun. And I totally agree, everyone had good points :)
MsDanibanani90
2022-11-10 18:55:42 +0000 UTCI love all the discussion about this episode of TVD. It has been civil and each of you make excellent points. My main fear while watching the episode was that the moment between Elena and Damon we have all been waiting for would have this shadow over it if she was sire bonded. That there would be a small doubt in their minds if it was fully of her own will.
Mega Reacts
2022-11-10 18:49:17 +0000 UTCDamon never rape or kind of rape Caroline, it is very clear, it is not a subject to use lightly, it was specified by the writers that it wasn't the case, they had sex in her room, she let him in. After she was afraid, things changed, he still used her as ANY vampire would do, as a minion to infiltrate in places he needed to go, to feed and to do his dirty work, as ANNA explained, why vampire turn people, he didn't turn her, though, he didn't ruining her life forever, he didn't care but that he would never do. I also must remind everybody that Damon when arrived in town didn't care because he had his humanity on a dimmer switch. But after he got to know Caroline, let me remind to everybody what he did for her. He save her life twice, from Klaus using her as sacrifice and for putting himself in front Tyler turning, got bitten for it and almost died. In the mean time he save Caroline mom life from a difficult situation, defended Caroline to her mom when she rejected her, punished her dad on request of LIZ, and became LIZ best friend. So I get she doesn't like him for their initial meeting , but in my opinion there are other things here that will be revealed in season 6 at play. Caroline is putting herself in Elena's shoes and it is pretty obvious who she would choose between the two brothers. Stefan the one that was out of reach for her from the very beginning "Caroline between you and me is never gonna happen" so she cannot figure it out how Elena dare to fell in love with anybody else but Stefan.
Patpet
2022-11-10 18:24:23 +0000 UTCThe rape situation against Damon is used as a weapon to win arguments by some people without experiencing an event like this. I wonder if they know what rape is like. Many in the fandom talk about it but not because they care; if they did, they wouldn't use this tragic event so casually. It is a slap in the face and disrespectful to survivors because it is something you NEVER forget.
Maribel Humble
2022-11-10 01:51:43 +0000 UTCCaroline is the type of person to carry resentment for a long time as she had for her mother.
Maribel Humble
2022-11-10 01:10:39 +0000 UTCAww, thanks friend, same to you! I admit as much as I know internet arguments over fictional characters are a silly thing to feel bad about, I do get a jolt of anxiety every time I see a response to a comment I made online somewhere out of fear that someone is being rude/mean lol. It's been lovely to have a such a respectful conversation with you and you helped me be slightly less annoyed with Caroline in these episodes which I appreciate lol :)
Maia
2022-11-09 17:36:28 +0000 UTCCan I just say that I LOVE your civilised and respectful answer. It's become quite rare to have such a nice exchange of opinions. So, thank you!!! :) And I think you are absolutely right with the point you made about how someone feels about bad deeds. if they happen to you specifically it will probably be a lot more difficult to forgive than if it happened to someone else. That is probably why she forgave Stefan more readily. And I agree, Caroline is becoming a bit too much like her old, pushy self in recent episodes. :D
MsDanibanani90
2022-11-09 17:12:06 +0000 UTCThis is a totally fair take. I've seen the debates rage for years on 'did Damon rape Caroline' and I don't really have a strong opinion - I can follow the logic of both sides of the argument. Ultimately, I fall on 'this is a vampire fantasy show, applying human rules to it is going to get complicated' when it comes to that debate. And while Caroline has forgiven Stefan for stuff that I would argue is just as monstrous (I mean, that flashback with the husband and wife in the 1920's when the husband comes looking for his compelled wife and Stefan compels him to drink her blood then kills him, while it's not shown that Stefan slept with the compelled wife, I think odds are pretty good) the reality is that we forgive people a lot more easily when it's something that happened to someone we don't know/care about than when it happens to us or someone we love. (Example: the hybrid who was sacrificed last episode - no one but Tyler and Hayley cares, but if it were one of Caroline/Elena's friends, they would have never been okay with it). This is a perfectly normal reaction, and I don't at all blame Caroline for still hating Damon. I just think this love triangle is none of her business. I don't think it's her place to judge Elena for her feelings or to dismiss them as invalid. I don't think it's her place to encourage Stefan to keep pursuing her. But, I recognize that other people might. Some people strongly believe that it's a friend's 'duty' to get involved if you see your friend making a mistake. I don't, but that's a personal opinion and not a fact. I find Caroline super judgy and annoying in these episodes, but I love her overall, and I think it's fair that some people might think she's doing the right thing :)
Maia
2022-11-09 17:01:27 +0000 UTCTotally agree with you on almost everything. There is only one tiny, little thing that I personally might add, which for me kind of explains Carolines disdain towards Damon. Like you pointed out- Damon was a dick to her in season 1. But I would go as far as to say that he wasn't just a dick but that he behaved monstrously. He did after all kind of rape her. She was compelled by him to sleep with him and just because he's a good looking guy, doesn't make that okay. He treated her absolutely horrible when he forced her to be his girlfriend. So I totally get why Caroline still does not like or trust him. Doesn't matter that he has evolved as a character. He still flies off the handle from time to time and when he does it's usually pretty bad. And I am not saying that he is worse than Stefan (because I know that Stefan has done just as much bad shit), I am just trying to kind of explain Caroline's point of view and why she doesn't want her best friend to end up with him. But what I can't excuse is (what you've also mentioned) why she keeps pushing Stefan to keep persuing Elena when it is clearly evident that those two don't have a future which Stefan has (kind of) accepted for the moment. SO I totally agree with you on that one. That's just bs behaviour from Caroline.
MsDanibanani90
2022-11-09 16:43:39 +0000 UTCThank you for an other awesome tvd reaction. I usually stay out of all the Elena/Damon/Stefan drama, because I don't want to get ripped to shreds ( I know that some people have very strong opinions on this topic) and honestly I care way too little about which Salvatore brother she should end up with (if it were up to me she and Elijah would be a thing :D )to willingly enter an online argument about them but in this instance I decided to actually say something. I do believe that the sire bond has effected Elena and her decision making process (like with the dress or her ability to keep blood down) BUT I don't think that it has magically manufactured her desire for Damon. It might have amplified it (just like vampirism heightens your emotions and character traits), but I don't think it has the power to create a romantic connection out of nothing. If that were the case than all the Hybrids who Klaus sired would have had those kinds of feelings towards Klaus and I don't see any of them jumping his bones (their loss, honestly =P ). So that is why I'd say that the sex scene is definitely NOT non-con or even dub-con. But those are just my two cents. :)
MsDanibanani90
2022-11-09 16:29:04 +0000 UTCGotta be honest, as much as I love Caroline, she drives me nuts in this episode. Stefan I 100% get - he's certainly being an asshole in this episode (blaming his brother who really didn't do anything wrong here [also in his breakup with Elena last episode he said that he got why she cared about Damon when he was a ripper because he drove her to it, but he can't understand it now, which is kind of a dick thing to say when we've established at this point that both brothers have done equally fucked up things] and trying to 'fix' Elena [rude, she's allowed to change and fall out of love, jeeze]) but at least I get Stefan. He just broke up with his girlfriend because she has feelings for his brother. That sucks. He's hurt and he's being a dick. Fair enough. I don't hold that against him. Caroline is something else. Yes, she's friends with Stefan, but she's also friends with Elena. And yes, Damon was a dick to her in Season 1, so she doesn't have to like him. But as we've established, EVERYONE IN THIS SHOW IS A DICK SOMETIMES. None of them are morally good at this point. At the end of the day, Elena's romantic relationships are none of her business. And her self-righteous 'how am I the bad guy?' And pushing Stefan not to move on even when Elena TOLD HIM TO MOVE ON is just disrespectful to both of them. It drives me nuts. My personal headcanon to explain her behavior is that she's confused and disturbed about secretly enjoying Klaus' attention when she sees him as a 'villain', resulting in her projecting onto the Damon/Stefan/Elena love triangle harder than she normally would. I have no evidence in the show to support or deny that headcanon, but that's what I'm going with to not want to punch her in the face in these episodes lol.
Maia
2022-11-09 15:50:15 +0000 UTCCaroline in this episode is back to be the season one inappropriate, gossiper, super judgemental 1000 times over. I get she doesn’t like Damon because when he didn’t know her and he had his humanity on a dimmer switch he used her as vampires do to feed to get in places he couldn’t, he treat her as a minion. But since then he saved her life a couple of times, has became friends with his mom, Damon is not a bad person, and the fact that he does what is needed to do for the sake of everybody and he gets all the blame, the hatred for it, doesn’t make anybody else benefitting from his taking action, better. When Caroline says to Stefan, you are you and Damon is yack, not only gave him false hope but fuel his already very self righteousness that Stefan has naturally, thinking he is better than his brother, and Mr Ripper is not, Mr threatening Elena on Whickery Bridge because his revenge is more important than Elena’s well being, or stripping Jeremy of his humanity because so he can fix Elena, no matter what Elena might thing or want or what the consequences for the siblings can be. Stefan is painfully not self aware of his own major flaws. The problem with Stefan personality is now in the open, he doesn’t want Elena to change, he needs Elena to be the good doppelganger at all cost, because he is with Elena on the premises that Elena is good, is immature, can be manipulated and that keeps him in touch with his humanity until she is the human, little girl that does what is right according to everybody standards not matter if is right for her or not and that she doesn’t tempt him into bad behaviour. So he is with Elena for his convenience not because he loves Elena selflessly no matter what, as Damon does. Stefan’s love is conditional. And Elena realised that. This entire episode also completely debunk Stefan being respectful of Elena’s choices, not when the choices she made are not coming his way, he didn’t care about the fact that by triggering further Jeremy’s hunter marks he might want to killed her and force the two of them to live apart, specially because Damon warned him not to do it precisely because of that. Now, the sire bond. Damon never told her to love him, never told her to have sex with him. By telling him she wanted to dance with him, she practically asked him to embrace her, which he complied, they dance and kissed not for the first time, she ripped his shirt while he opened his arm and let her take charge. That was long coming, this is the continuation of the motel moment, where they are now finally free to make love, this is not the sire bond, this them finally be free to express the love, the passion the attraction, they felt for each other for quite some times. A love that was there before she become a vampire, that is why it amplified, because it was there, but because circumstances, bad timing, Elena being loyal to Stefan and lots of other things among also the fear of being badly judged, she felt never free to express before. But that scene is love, and is so beautifully shoot. Take any frame and all you see is their devotion, passion, Damon abandonment to love, the last frame with the kiss, is so visually beautiful it reminds me of so many work of art kisses, but in reverse, where is Damon being in the surrounding position, if anything there, Damon is sired to Elena, he truly loves her at the point of allowing himself to be vulnerable and exposed, with the love of his life that has finally chose him. Poor Damon, the fact that Elena might be sired to him, surely is going to impact him too.
Patpet
2022-11-09 05:53:55 +0000 UTC
