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[Guest Art] Parental Instinct

oooooough SO the other day I wrote a rough lil drabble in the comments of my last post and dear patron AsTheJayFlies kindly illustrated key parts of it! Guhhhhh just LOOK at Liv’s expression, her contempt, her character acting. I wish to consume this sketch comic for nourishment and I’m gonna smear it against all of y’all eyeballs. Thanks again, Jay! 💗💗💗

Here’s the original, full dialogue. I made some edits! It’s a scene set shortly after Snickerdoodle is born, when Liv comes to visit. 

Liv: I'm simply curious, is all. I mean, you've spent several decades furiously convincing me you aren't a woman, so why now are you attempting to be a mother?

Perry: That's not what- I'm not-

Liv: Do you think parental instincts come naturally? Did you think you'd take your precious bundle home and live happily ever after? Because, darling, I take no pleasure in telling you this, but you're in for a rude awakening. Babies are miserable little beasts. They spew bile from both ends, and throw tantrums at garden parties, and cry, cry, CRY until they've driven you stark mad. Now then, are you truly equipped to handle that? Hmm? Is your swine?

Tibbs: *snorts*

Liv: Oh don't you make those piggish grunts at me, beast of burden. I will not be cowed! I'm simply speaking the truth! You two want to play house so badly? Well, I say you both need to know exactly what you're getting into!

Perry, meekly: Mom, I don’t think-

Liv: All this fuss over "adoption", and for what? To bring home that pitiful little rat-!

Perry: Out.

Liv: Excuse me?

Tibbs, sharp: You heard him.

Liv, sharper: Oh no, I don't think I did. *to Perry, sickeningly sweet* Because I'm certain no child of MINE would ever ask me to leave MY home. Isn't that right, honey-lamb?

Perry, hesitant, startled at his own bravado: I'm....I'm not asking. Mom, I....ha. *weak chuckle* You know….I think you've made me miserable my entire life.

Liv: Ohhh, my sweet kitty-baby. The feeling is mutual~

Perry: But I let it happen, because I always hoped...that you could change. I let you mistreat me-mistreat my husband-! Because I was stupid enough to think THIS time, it would be different. Again, and again, and again. I'd hope that THIS time, you'd be better. That you'd finally be who I always needed you to be. Who I wanted you to be.

Liv: Yes, I'm quite familiar with the pattern by now. You throw a tantrum because I'm not perfect, and then a month or two later, you oh-so graciously forgive me, and are right back clamoring for my attention like a starving kitten. It's getting old, dear.

Perry: Yeah, it is. I'm a dad now, Mom. I can't put you before my kid, or my partner, or myself. You're never going to change. Maybe it’s my fault for expecting otherwise. You are who you are. I….I can respect that.

Liv: *eyes widening in confusion, suspicion* Oh?

Perry: Yeah. *biting his lip, his expression becomes almost begging*…Yeah. But….Mom, I can’t allow you around my family. Not my husband, not my baby. Not me. Not anymore.

Liv, eyes narrowing to poisonous slits: …Ah. Yes. There it is. How very self-righteous of you, dear. After all the allowances I have made for you, after everything I’ve put up with- you cannot return even an iota of the same patience, nor tolerance, I have afforded you from birth. *wry laugh* Didn’t I tell you parenting was a thankless task?

Perry, refusing to be baited, sucking in a deep breath: It’s time I accepted that you’re just...never gonna be the mom I needed.

Liv, coldly: I am the mother you deserve.

Perry: *beginning to tremble, voice clogging with emotion* You're always gonna be a...y-you're j-j-just a...

Liv: Ah, yes, yes, here come the tears, right on schedule. *To Tibbs* So melodramatic. *To Perry, mocking* I'm just a 'what', darling? Spit it out, come now, be brave.

Perry, faltering as she steps closer: You- *breathing growing strained, very obviously struggling not to cry* Yuh....Y-You're a-

Liv, imitating his stammering: I-I-I...I'm a- *clutching her chest like a distraught actress* I'm a-!

Tibbs, blocking her path: Olivia, that's enough.

Liv, neatly side-stepping Tibbs: Hmm? Speak up, Perry. Am I a bully? A tyrant? A mean, rotten mother that won't let you wear a frumpy suit to homecoming? A-

Perry, erupting with explosive force, claws bursting forth, fur bristling:

A MISERABLE

OLD

BITCH ! ! ! 

*The outburst crashes against the walls like thunder, so sudden and violent that it awakens Snickerdoodle in the next room, who begins to cry*

Liv: Oh ho! *phony clapping* Bravo, darling! Bravo! What a show!

Tibbs, touching Perry's shaking shoulder: Sweetheart-

Liv: No, no, let him continue! I'm on the edge of my seat! I simply cannot wait to see how he hopes to repair our relationship by insulting his own mother! What a lovely, nurturing temper you've got, my dear! No doubt you'll be a better parent than me~

Perry, furious tears welling up, hissing with animalistic rage: GET. OUT!!! 

Liv, grabbing her purse: Oh, I'm leaving, love. You needn't shout. I know the next step in this sad little song and dance. Excellent job! You've chased off the villain of your little story! *pats Tibbs' cheek, ignoring his growl* What a wonderful visit, I cannot wait to do it again sometime.

Perry, bitterly: ...There won't be a next time.

Liv: Of course, son. Of course. Just know that when you finally tire of this farce of a life you've built, well...Mother will always be here for you. *stepping through the door* Goodbye now, Perry~

Perry: Goodbye, Liv.

Liv pauses at that, and twists round to look back at Perry. But the door is already closed.

[Guest Art] Parental Instinct

Comments

Liv is going to wish they stopped with their "pitiful little rat" when she meets the baby with venomous spurs and the baby who bites anything that moves

Scorp

Liv is berating Perry, Nessie is wordlessly watching Liv's nubby lynx tail lash to and fro. Nessie creeps closer. Closer still. The tail lashes. Nessie's jaws slowly creak open. Tibbs watches the scene with bated breath

Lopoddity

I hope Liv comes again when they get Nessie. I'd love to see her get chomped by her granddaughter

Scorp

i got so excited i posted and ran but im back and i just wanted to tell you i LooooVEEEE their expressions you captured them all so well in just a few sketch lines I keep coming back to look at the art more

Sorceringingarts

Yes. It's why she is incapable of regulating her anger as an adult. Her own parents never modelled the ability to keep cool, inadvertently teaching her that violence was a valid means to express frustration and anger at others. Like Perry, Liv also remembers what it's like to be small and helpless in the face of terrifying violence from adults. She carries the shame and humiliation of this abuse deep inside, which causes her to react with disproportionate rage whenever she feels "disrespected". Unbeknownst to Liv and Perry, parenting is a MASSIVE trigger for her childhood trauma. She bullies Perry as an easy way to feel strong, but on a subconscious level, Perry reminds her of herself. Thus she attacks him in the way she herself was attacked. The abuse from her parents is Liv's only reference for what love is. She can love Perry no more than she can love herself, and what's worse, Liv believes all of this is normal.

Lopoddity

.... Liv's parents hit her, didn't they

Lammergayier

I love that Perry said “goodbye, Liv” instead of “goodbye, Mom” at the end of this interaction. It’s sad, but well-earned. Perry has been desperately chasing his mom’s affection for his entire life, and has only been met with cruelty in return. That last line felt like him fully acknowledging that he’s never going to have the positive, motherly relationship with her that he wants. That maybe he should finally stop trying, as painful as that is.

FloweryFruitFangs

Nope! Perry isn't the sort to haul off and hit anybody, let alone the mother he's been terrified of his entire life. Liv would absolutely hit him, though. Liv decries spanking as a barbaric practice and is very vocal about having never done so to Perry. But when he was growing up, and he would annoy or defy her, Liv would slap him across the face, hard enough to leave a mark. She would also grip him violently by the shoulder or wrist, sinking claws in and screaming at him. She stopped entirely once Perry was grown, and still insists she was never physically abusive, that Perry is remembering things wrong. "Why would I ever slap you, sweet thing? Your thick skull would only bruise my hand." Adult Perry can't help but wonder if he really is remembering things wrong. But also, he subconsciously remembers being small and helpless in the face of Liv's violence, which makes it very difficult for him to find his courage around her as an adult. All this said, if Liv were to assault him as an adult (and she's certainly tempted sometimes), and Perry was angry enough....he'd probably fight back. Lynxes are a territorial species, there'd be a LOT of clawing and hissing.

Lopoddity

I support Perry rights but I also support Perry wrongs

Curio Blue

We know what we want, consequences be damned.

FloweryFruitFangs

Does Perry ever snap and hit her?

Lourenzo Dasilva

LIVING MERRILY

Lopoddity

ohhhhh forgive them father, for they know not what they ask

Lopoddity

That's definitely what he's attempted to do here. It'll be years before he encounters his mother again.

Lopoddity

Emperor palpatine meme to Loppodity: Do it.

Yvette Winters

I hope Perry goes no contact tbh

Syd D.

Perry’s realization isn’t just a gut punch. It’s the last punch after getting absolutely clobbered. I also naively thought and imagined Liv having this horrible “View From Halfway Down” and having to grapple having so little time to, do what, fix or undo the damage? Be the kindhearted granny to Perry’s kids? It felt like she laughed at me as well as Perry. I feel so stupid for ever thinking that. But Perry has Tibbs and all the love in the world to heal him! … And Liv has nothing. No shame, no remorse, no idea how that door is literally closed forever. Another banger for the books!

Emily Lemur

Picturing a cosmic mix-up in dying parent hospital visits where the Meadowsweets/Noirs end up with Liv and Perry goes to Merry's room by mistake, like some kind of reverse meet-cute, lol

Mastodon

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you! You all didn't think this would really be the last Perry will see of Liv, right? >:3

Lopoddity

I have to ask, will this genuinely be the last time the two are together? Does she try to come back at some point under the pretense of “You have free wine”? Does she follow them around to gawk at family pictures of the teensy new babs?

Alight

Living merrily,,,, what a ship name, considering it could not be less true about them >:3 delicious irony

AsTheJayFlies

The readers (disturbingly) crave the Living Merrily porn

Corinne Stephenson

hnnnnnnnnng

Lopoddity

Thank you, Lop ❤️ It really is such a hard feeling to put into words or make sense of. In the end, it just hurts. A deep pain mixed with a longing that can never really be fulfilled. All I want is my parents, especially my mom, so badly, even knowing how little regard or respect they have for me. And even when you know it’s for the best, letting go of people who aren’t good for you is still incredibly sad. Sending you lots of hugs 🫂

RagingRiptide

why the hell not? Its your patreon, its 18+, be as self indulgent as you like, im all here for it

AsTheJayFlies

We stan a doomed queen! It's almost like knowing she's doomed to total misery compels her to snatch whatever cheap victories she can, even in terrible mind games with her own child. The world has been very cruel to Liv, so in perpetuating the same cruelty, she's afforded the tiniest illusion of power and a fleeting sense of control of her life. But it's only ever an illusion. You're fucked, Livvy baby! :)

Lopoddity

But he's finally free..... I hope that once she's dead, he's able to heal Also man, I was reading back through Liv's big lore post and damn. She really never had a chance, did she? I mean her own upbringing scarred her, she never wanted kids but didn't realize that until after she had Perry-- I remember you mentioning that she could have had a Shot at having a better life if she'd divorced Felix, but that still leaves her raising a child she didn't want, and never knowing what love was supposed to look like because she never experienced it for herself. She was doomed from the start

Lammergayier

I am BARELY restraining myself for drawing like, mean milfy Liv pinup poses

Lopoddity

You know, when I wrote this, it was important to me that Perry doesn't "win" here. His big angry outburst has all the effect of an ice cube dropped into a lake of acid. Liv doesn't gasp and gawk and say "well I never!!" >:C and harrumph her way out. She's amused by it, in fact, she feels that in having provoked an undignified moment out of Perry, she has been proven to be the correct, logical, more mature of the pair. She "won", in her eyes. There's no winning against Liv. No chance of Perry every getting her to see how she makes him feel. No closure. No revenge. Liv fundamentally does not respect Perry, and is incapable of acknowledging his perspective. This is common with estranged parents. Behind the door he just slammed shut, Perry has already sunk to his knees crying, humiliated and hurt. There's no winning against Liv. Only escape.

Lopoddity

It’s so funny that in another comment Lop talked about Liv being kind of based on Cruella de Vil because I literally thought “Liv is attractive in the Wholly Evil Way Cruella de Vil is attractive”

Rumpeltyltskyn

Handshake meme for thinking Liv is attractive.

forthehonor-ofgayskull

Yeah I'm in the same boat. I've always been close with my dad but I'm a transmen and he doesn't understand it so he just refuses to accept me as a man. He also keeps trying to drag me back into the church so I just stopped talking to him. It sucks but sometimes it's just the way its gotta be.

forthehonor-ofgayskull

Yesssss go off Perry. We love to see it!

forthehonor-ofgayskull

oh i love this horrible, awful woman. truly, there is no saving her i know the meadowsweets are fan favorites but i think the BnB folk are probably my favorite part of fuzzbutts

Shield

Ooohhhh, this writing got right under my skin. In a good way. But also I crave a maiming on Perry and tibbs’ behalf. I’m also bristling

D

On the contrary I hope she never gets fucked by anyone again, she doesn't deserve it

Lammergayier

She got to meet snickerdoodle, but this was indeed the moment when perry permanently cut her off for good. Who’s to say though, that the kids dont someday become curious about this mysterious missing grandma…

AsTheJayFlies

I'm so sorry to hear that. 🫂 My situation isn't the same, but I'm estranged from one of my parents. It fucking sucks having to let go for your own peace of mind. You really never stop wondering if things could've been different, if you could've tried harder. In my experience anyway, it's not freeing or cathartic, it's just shitty. We're wired to want to be with our parents. :(

Lopoddity

Honestly tho like she’s a bitch but Liv is fuckin hot and Merry has a certain old-man-charm (physically) so like I dig it. And I’m ALWAYS down for terrible awful toxic people who absolutely deserve each other as a couple so 👀

Rumpeltyltskyn

The best revenge is living well, not because your good live will prove them wrong or cause them pain, but because the thing about people like Liv is that they'll be miserable for the rest of their lives without you having to lift a finger. It's not even revenge or justice, it's just natural cause and effect. Her refusal to admit she's causing her own misery will lead her to continue to do so until she's in the ground.

pitviperofdoom

Please tell me she never gets the privilege of meeting Tibb's and Perry's kids. Also, please tell me this was actually the last straw with Perry, I have a mighty need to know!!!!!!!

Bigsmile

I keep joking about them hooking up but I think I actually do ship it. A lot. Like...it's the weirdest thing, I've shown a lot of relationships in FB, but Liv/Merry is the only one I want to draw actual full blown porn of. Horrible porn. Just the two of them having weird wobbly wrinkly mattress-slamming old people sex. Because they wouldn't be able to build a relationship out of things like mutual respect or shared interests, but hoooo boy would they be fuckin nasty. They'd probably be able to befriend each other initially over their shared suffering under their ungrateful children, but the closer they get, the more they'd discover each other's repulsive qualities and inevitably come to loathe each other. They'd have a toxic situationship, not a relationship. And the sex would be WILD

Lopoddity

This turned out so beautifully, god I can’t stop rereading this. I’m incredibly proud of Perry, and I relate so deeply to this struggle. My own family doesn’t accept me as a trans woman, and letting go *especially* when it comes to my mother, feels almost impossible. I keep holding onto the idle hope that she’ll change, even when I know, deep down, that some people just aren’t capable of it. Admitting that is its own kind of heartbreak. I miss her so much, and I miss the relationship we had, even if looking back on things, it was never easy, especially the older I got. It’s such a complicated, painful thing, but sometimes that final push is what it takes to free yourself from that toxicity for good.

RagingRiptide

Ha, karma sucks, huh Liv?

nighthawk0913

I know people like to compare her to Bojack's mom, but I was actually aiming for Cruella de Vil. "What a horrid little white rat-Ugh!" Liv has a similar rapid, snappy way of speaking, where she bombards people with her presence so thoroughly they can't stammer much opposition against her. Beatrice Horseman is cruel and fun to watch, sure, but I feel she lacks the sort of....delight in her own cruelty that Liv has. The same delight that drips from nearly every word out of Cruella's mouth, she is ENTIRELY self-obsessed and genuinely amused by those she sees as her lessers. Liv ENJOYS pushing Perry's buttons, she's outright entertained by his little tantrum! This is enrichment for her, like a cork toy in a hamster cage. And unlike Beatrice, who says things purely with the aim of wounding Bojack, Liv doesn't actually think she's being hurtful. She thinks she's being honest- helpful, even- which is why Perry's choice to estrange catches her off-guard.

Lopoddity

JESÚS FUCKING CRISTO THE VEMON IS REAL AND MASSIVE WITH THAT WOMAN 😬 Seriously sometimes I don't know what's worse and more sad, someone that is the agresor and think of themselves as the victim, or a victim that doesn't know that they are the victim or still stick to that fantasy that someday somehow their abuser is going to change 😢 I have see and hear people like Liv and honestly more that being angry with them I think to myself how pathetic and miserable they must be. Like don't get me wrong I hate people like this but their lives must be so empty, lonely and sad to be that happy being so mean as a spot 🙄 Like I get it, you suffer in your like lady but you don't get a bitch pass just because of that, and I mean it in the way of trauma is a explanation not an excuse, heck I have meet people with the most "normal" childhood that grow up to be suck horrible people just for shit&giggles, they just like being assholes. Uff I don't even want to imagine how it would be when the kids wish to know their grandmother, I'm so sure she would be the most manipulative bitch ever, that's why is important the let the young ones know why the adults cut someone off their lives, they are curious and so innocent. I still remember a old classmate let's call her B, she cut off her mom as soon as she could, that lady was an alcoholic and basically B was the "mom" there, her own mother always use her as an emotional push bag and in her sober rage would throw alcohol bottles to the wall while trying to find more alcohol and B was scare to death running to not be hit with some loose bottle in her mom blind rage. Sure, she neve actually hit her, but with how she treat her? And the poor child being present while the adult have violent tantrums? Nah B leave her to leave with some friends and never look back. The mess up part? The lady got sick, cancer or something, and since B was the only one with space and time the relatives ask her to take care of her mom. B literally shut the door into the face of her relatives, they dare to call her selfish and a bad daughter and "she's your mom"... And she was her daughter! Where were they when she have to feed herself cuz her mom was pass out in the couch? I'm her first period? When she was sick? When she call them asking for help when her mom lock her out the house cus she have men in the house and didn't want her "brat" close then in the night? The neighbors were the only one that help her and actually call the police so many times and if weren't for them B probably would have died so many times cuz her mom neglect because functional alcoholic plus narcissist. If latino culture cut the parents is almost unheard of, and leaving toxic grandparents figures in homed is almost taboo, the same talking back when being insult by an older relative, so I'm happy for Perry, I know that must be sooo hard for him.

MiyaTheGoldenFlower

🥰🥰🥰 thank youuuu im happy with the expressions too

AsTheJayFlies

The art is so expressive and I feel like it handles the characters personalities amazingly! And the writing is so good it’s really moving, Liv’s and Merry’s characters are so good and I really like how you put your “bad” characters in a wide range rather than “one big baddie to rule them all”

Tibbles Yorkie789

eee thanks <3

AsTheJayFlies

*they meet up and complain about their “daughters” then start arguing over who’s kid is the worse deviant, their want to be right is so strong on both ends that it somehow turns into screaming who has the better son and family. The progressiveness becomes so strong… They kiss.*

Tibbles Yorkie789

I cackled. Liv and Merry would be an absolutely wretched pathetic duo. they would get each other so well

knickknacks

GET FUCKED LIV

knickknacks

oooh this is amazing!!!

Sorceringingarts

i hope he would at least get a Free Churro out of the trip…

AsTheJayFlies

Honestly same!! she just has that wendie malick snark (with the beatrice flavor of added malice)

AsTheJayFlies

Oh my god i was checking in my personal discord server (where i stash links to cool stuff and archive personal info) and saw this gif i found while messing around with the gif search a few days ago. before you even wrote that blurb. perry https://media.tenor.com/Fe9LB-0CJRIAAAPo/moppie-blues-clues.mp4 (also i hope youre not getting notifs every time i edit this message im so sorry im at work rn and couldnt spare the time to get it right jdhshdh)

AsTheJayFlies

GET THAT BITCH PERRY RAHHHH (also GOD liv is such a cunt i love how well shes written, she genuily makes me uncomfortable >:O )

Jaszczur

I 100% read Liv's dialogue in the same voice Bojack's mom has! It's the nasty upper-class lady aspect that does it for me...

Mastodon

NOOOOOOO 😭BABIIIES

CJ Strahd

jokes on you, perry’s stupid ass would fully visit her on her death bed. He just wants closure, whatta moron

Lopoddity

Liv was my second favorite part of drawing this, narrowly beaten out by perrys snarling fury :3

AsTheJayFlies

Those two would write a horrible, horrible book together. Just the vibe I get.

Rumpeltyltskyn

Nah. Liv has always been laser focused on Perry, she’s not even slightly interested in her so-called grandkids. Though if said grandkids were to be naughty and curious enough to disobey dad and reach out to their grandmother, Liv might just look into their sweet, trusting faces and see something there she could reach out and grasp ahold of, the same way she used to dig her claws into Perry…

Lopoddity

She posts a lot on those estranged parent forums about ungrateful kids and how this is all because of that damned woke. Maybe she’ll meet Merry in a chat room and they’ll hook up bigot style

Lopoddity

Same here Tibbs, same here (time to turn a hag into a rug!)

ErrorVittra

Tibbs, holding both a sobbing Perry and a wailing Snickerdoodle: haha wow i wish murder was legal

Lopoddity

ooh OOOH!! Does Liv ever do the sneaky grandparent thing and see the grandkids behind their backs? Like pull the "I'm their grandmother" card to see them at school/daycare or if they're older does she try to make contact when the kids are adults and on their own? Or does she not care at all?

CJ Strahd

Thank you so much!!! ❤️❤️❤️

Lopoddity

OH WHAT A NASTY OLD HAG- Someone give Perry a blankie, a hot choccy and a big hug because OH boy he deserves it!

ErrorVittra

God I want to see when she realizes he’s never taking to her again. Is she going to be one of those ladies on Fuzzbutt TikTok ranting about how cruel it is to go no contact with your parents?

Rumpeltyltskyn

She reminds me of BoJacks mom. Not like 100%, but like. "You ruined me, BoJack." Idk if my ADHD brain is forgetting if you've already made such a comment before and I'm pulling it out of the deep recesses of my memory or what, but I fucking adore BoJack as a show and how shitty his mom is and wuhfhehdhshs AHHHH I lIVE FOR THIS!!!!

CJ Strahd

as someone who's been a LONG time fan of your work (since the mlp nextgen days) i was 13 then, but now 21 and ur storytelling NEVER gets old. i absolutely love the world building with ur characters!!!! especially perry mal and honey, my faves :3

Mars

YEAHHH FUCK YOU LIV

CJ Strahd

Very well done Jay! Liv’s expressions in every single panel are so slimey . Also love puffed up Perry

WAr

The way I NEED to see this woman on her death bed realizing that nobody is going to be at her side in her final moments

Lammergayier


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