Max Kate poll

Keep curent :)

When 0.23 relase?

Giannix

They are under shock. It takes time to find clever words explaining the victory of Max ;-)

Someone should come out of the bush and conclude on this thread... hint hint...

The C

Same. I'm not even going to continue his character. He just really annoys me. Kate on the other hand I really like. Plus she's a cutie. I don't normally like playing the games with a female MC but will definitely make an exception for her.

It's on the $40 tier, April 13th last year, best I can tell. Majority appeared to vote for 2 Kate/1 Max back then too. EDIT: By what margin though I can't tell

Wonder what was the result from last time he did this poll.

It was17th last month

Hmm Hmmsen

When is next release? I really thought it was supposed to be near the 5th of this month, seems to me that you're releases gets further apart as we go.

Bobbo69

Since I *know* most have skipped the above comment (and replies it spawned) due to length, allow me to offer the following exert: "My 'suggestion' to everyone is that, regardless of what which side/version you want - set your donation level appropriately and keep it constant/going. If you are "Team Max" and you only contribute $5 per Max update, do the simple "divide by 3 and round up" and put yourself down for $2 and let it ride. You are still paying approximately the same (and in what you can afford), but DS has a *steady* income stream to count on and work with - and the work WILL be better as a result." Because in the end; stress, attempting to please, jumping around between focuses, etc. ALL only hurt DS's ability to produce and create. That is basic human behavior and reactions - read the above for why.

William Urquhart

Actually he never had his game it wasn't completed that is probably the core complaint of BB fans. Also it's not about Max, he is simply the avatar you experience the game through, its about the girls you interact with.

While I agree about the loose ends, you still need the choice about who Kate has sex with. In my playthrough, Kate hasn't had sex with Neil, Feodor or Nick. But yeah, not being able to watch porn with Julia in the room at this point is a bit ridiculous.

From what I've seen, you're probably right. I've had a similar theory for a while

You could do an equal development if you would centralize the Kate path around Kate and quit fucking shotgunning her story line. I understand you want to be democratic in Russia but writing can never make sense if the author polls his readers after ever paragraph. We had two options on how to finish the fucking Neil side story. three options on how to finish the dungeon story. None of which had any affect on Kate's stats. The only purpose of either story line was to appease the people who want to see Kate as a hard core porn star.

Threetees

If its not done in 23. In 24, many lose ends needs to be done. Kate should no longer deny or not want to join Nick in the shower. She should no longer not leave the bath to join Nick and Julis in the shower. She should want to do more with Oscar, when the trip to bathroom, or want more things to happend with Lin. When Kate gets busted by Julia, masturbating,more should happend, since she already humping Fedor and Nick. Pretty much all shyness should be gone. So thats what im missing, the lose ends thats been there for months to go away.

Hmm Hmmsen

For me, it's okay Max in the game as a NPC, but not as a playable protagonist.

This post articulates how I feel, to the letter. Well said.

Spoonman

These are two different games with different genres. At the same time, Glamor is much more diverse. There is an opportunity to love NPCs of different sexes, a wider range of possible relations between NPCs (in any case, they have said so before). While the game is for Max, this is a haremman without any of his own characteristics. Kate can do it too, but Max can't do whatever is available to her.

BarnettDL

When do you relase 0.23 please?

Giannix

I can’t stand Max, so it is an easy choice for me.

DramaCoach69

He should actually do the same as Mr. Dot did revive BB from where he left on non patron site and ask BB fans to continue supporting Glamour till BB Ends. It is the fact that he did not do that on the first place that makes me suspect abandoning BB had nothing to do with patreon policy change

I’m curious. Are there people out there that like both the Max game and the Kate game? 🤔

matt

It depends entirely on what DS is planning. He might just need the information now. Besides, by your logic, for the poll to be fair, it should span a Kate update AND a Max update, not just a villa one.

That completely ignores that not everyone is a voting member. That information last I checked is not available

Wow you are not fair when polling DS. I know bunch of us who only support Max’s content so the would have to pledge to this month just to vote for this poll even then Villa has almost half. Nice way to exploit the poll. This poll should have been held over a villa version and Kate instead of expiring in 2 days

Totally agree, i would love to see Kate brought into Max's story so Kate becomes Alice's Girlfriend. Then they could slowly get more involved with Max, resulting in a three-way relationship between Max, Kate, and Alice.

I would love to see, Max can more interact with Kate in the Villa. Or on the other hand Kate with Max. The pool or the TV couch would be a great place for fun and a massage ;-)

That would be a really innovative idea, imagine an adult game where you can hot swap between MC’s with the press of a button (much like resident evil is it?), imagine the story twists and enhanced plot and possible sexy scenes if this was done, having certain scenarios where only one of the MC’s could accomplish because of their position (e.g. college, access to Ann’s office and so on) and if there were some quests where both characters have to work together, example Max has expertise in setting up spy cameras, Kate has inside access to the principals room and in this scenario you’d swap between the two characters to accomplish the quest.... lol sorry just geeked out a bit there 😂

I don't care about Max. He totally doesn't comes across as a likeable char. Plus it seems he already has had his game so the jerky creep taking a backseat is totally fine with me. Never understand why this kind of main char seems to be so popular to certain players.

murmet

Fair point Edit: still doesn't change the fact that people will use their limited funds to support things that closer to their interests. As an economist I'm sure you understand supply and demand. For me and others like me the value of the content being made during the Kate months isn't worth buying at any price point where as the Max content is and its value increases with time. Even though they are both part of the same game the transaction occurs on a monthly basis so we could treat it like subscription were you change your subscription based on if there is any content you like. Someone may be more willing to keep their subscription active during a month when there is nothing they interested in if there is content they want the next month. However, going two months is just wasted money to some.

I think that at least some of the various objections (of both sides) is missing a point: A good deal of the actual *work* on the content (images, programming & scripting, story, etc.) is used for BOTH Max and Kate! It is not like either side is 'losing' the time spent on the episodes that don't *feature* their favorite - much of the work is used (and will be even more in the future as time progresses in the stories) on both story-lines. And if anything, I think DS should be moving more in this direction - if anything, the 'special request' arcs that are voted on distract from production of the main story(s) and slow down overall production. I am not against them, I just think they should be the 'polish' on the game rather than the focus. I think DS should work a bit more on the 'vision' of what he/they plan the game to be and reduce the amount of time spent on "I want this for MY character" requests and that would serve us ALL better with the speed of development on the overall game. And the VERY limited concept of "only supporting those episodes that feature my favorite" is... well, I don't want to insult anyone or start an argument - but very counterproductive to say the least. If Glamour were actually two separate projects (with separate goals, universes and characters) that would make more sense - but it is not. It is a *single* game that approaches the characters and story from two different perspectives and undercutting the effort is not 'economics' (which I have a degree in, thank you) or buyer's choice, it is hampering development and putting the entire project at risk. Especially considering that game mechanics work, scripting, design, and a lot of other aspects that are done on BOTH characters benefit the other (and reduce duplicated effort).

William Urquhart

I would also like to point out that this being a two day poll is ridiculous. People like myself who only come around for the Max updates like myself the "shadow" supporters only check DS page occasionally. I only check maybe once every two weeks. I just happened to check it today and repledged so I could participate in the vote I'm sure there are alot like me who will miss this and their voice wont be heard and DS will still have the problem of fluctuating support despite the results because he didn't get the full picture in his two day poll.

I might as well add my two cents to this debate. First off I initially found BB at around .8 or .9 but didn't start supporting until around .10. When BB ended I ended my support and only came back when I learned of the reboot. I kept a steady pledge at 5 or 10 dollars (I cant remember exactly which) because it was my understanding that the two would be produced along side each other and when it was decided on the two Kate one Max cycle I changed to only supporting for Max updates at a higher level. While I understand MegaVox789 's point about supporting DS even when he isn't making Max's or Kate's content that is impractical for most people and not how economics work. You wouldn't buy every shitty game EA makes just because they produce a game you like. Also not everyone has unlimited funds to pledge to a creator for content they are not primarily interested in. Voting with your money makes more of an impact than voting in a poll. I am sure DS realizes this and that is why he asking. He saw the results of the initial poll and the probably saw his income fluctuate based on what was being released and I'm sure he got messages that expressed a dissatisfaction with the status quo (i know I sent one) and so he chose to give us the opportunity once again to decide what the development cycle should be not out of inability to make a decision himself but because we as community are sending him mixed signals and he trying to interpret them. The fact that he made a new poll so soon after the last one (relatively speaking) is proof of this. That being said what got me interested in the game wasn't the MC or i*ce*t content it was the girls. I especially liked Lisa and corrupting her. I personally am into harem themed games so the multiple girls for one guy was right up my alley. Most people who don't like/don't want another BB reboot or otherwise all tend to have the same reason. They thought Max was a creep or a jerk, but really that's just them projecting their interpretations onto him (and if we were to get into a bit of psychology it would be that they are seeing and projecting the things they hate about themselves into Max, but I'm not psychologist). Anyway for myself and, I would wager, for a large sum of BB supporters we don't care about Max specifically he is the just the Avatar we use to inhabit the game. What we want in the game is an array of girls that we can interact with and seduce because we are attracted to the idea of ourselves having multiple female partners and for the most part the idea of one girl getting f*cked by multiple d*cks doesn't interest us. That's why in my playthrough of Glamour I play Kate as a girl experimenting with lesbianism until Max can finally f*ck her because regardless of what Kate fans think she is fundamentally a BB side character who got her own game and Max is still the MC. We can go back and forth about Glamour not existing if not for BB, promises made and not kept, personal preferences and everything else but, what really matters in the end is DS is creating content that we all like in some form and it would be in everyone's best interest to make decisions that allow for more of what we want and the only way we get that is by bringing in more supporters and bringing back old supporters. So I am in the camp that wants BB to get caught up in content and then receive equal updates going forward.

Yeah this would work mate, I mean somewhere, somehow Max’s content has to catch up whether it’s adding in the new locations or merging in the Kate maid storyline, Max in college, so yeah you’re right here 👍

I think Max's story should catch up with Kate, to the point where Kate is visitting the villa as an NPC. Or Max joining the school, as you hinted before.From then on, you could focus on story progression, maybe even seeing the same event from both perspectives.

Bindair Dundat

Well there’s over 1,800 patrons on here and only 523 people have voted on this poll as it stands now, that’s under a third of the total supporters here so the current scores don’t reflect the majority in all actual fact, you get the verbal, opinionated minority like everyone so far that’s commented on here like myself but you’ll find that the actual majority just stay silent and most of the time don’t bother voting in any polls so yeah we will sit back and see how this goes 👍

Best not to remp fate any more than we have. Return of Max was a welcome suprise, but a suprise not welcomed by all. However when the two games are eventually linked we will have two alternative Kates to play with not to mention the rest of the cast. Hopefully by then more people will be swayed.

ghost556

Personally I wish they were integrated. You could flip between Kate and Max in the same save game. And while most story lines would be totally separate you might need to advance both along a couple of paths before getting stuff working. For example: If you play as Max you only hear about Kate from Alice if she's made friends in the Kate story. And you only get a chance to star peeking on her once she's started visiting for the night.

ELooking

Also, had he just finished BB this wouldn't be an issue. Considering that this game is running for more than 2 years now and it feels like there is less content even if you combine both routes than BB had at 0.13 something is wrong.

The problem with this poll is that since the game is so Kate focused, most Max fans might have left already. So the fact that it is almost even speaks a lot. Max has so little to do It would be good for him to catch up, considering how close this poll is.

Keep the first one

Looks like SuperSilver hasn't scared off all Kate fans yet ... by delivering loveless junk. We just too fondly remember the old promises.

If anyone wants an explanation of Kira’s chosen profession then I’ll be happy to explain for those unfamiliar with BB characters

The reason I’ve suggested the solution in my post above is that I don’t want the minority fan base leaving over the decision of this poll, whether Max OR Kate fans because the team work hard to provide a game they hope we all like.... bear with me here but we could still do a Kate 2 Max 1 format but every second Kate update we get content involving the BB women like Alice, Lisa, Ann, Kira, Vicky, Dr Eve, possibly even Olivia, I think this is a happy medium where all sets of fans will be kept happy, let’s just say it opens up avenues that Kate fans will find interesting given Kira’s chosen profession, plus... I need Ann and Kira content... lol, more Alice wouldn’t hurt either, or more Lisa, the cafe with Vicky would be a place where Kate could get a job there as a barista where she works with Lisa, possibilities go on.... come on DS I’m sure you can trigger some of those storytelling brain cells of yours and do this for us BB fans 👍

Or my solution above lol 👍

I think better to either combine both story lines to 1 game and be able to swap who you play or drop Max story as just re working of BB

Guys, bear with this post it’s a long one and yeah sorry for that but I’ve possibly got an idea to keep both fan bases happy, check it out and give me your thoughts in an open conversation... An alternative suggestion here would be next version obviously Kate but somewhere down the line there has to be a content merger between the two paths where existing Kate content is merged into Max’s path and vice versa where there’s more Villa content in Kate’s path, this could be alternated to maybe this possible path.... Kate Update, Kate Update Villa events, Max Update, Kate Update, More Villa content on Kate’s path, Max update.... Now this is just a suggestion and technically would follow the original plan like Kate fans want but it gives us BB fans Kate content involving our favourites like Alice, Lisa, Ann and Kira, the women of BB because Max isn’t the only BB character that is popular among fans and it’s not changing the existing status quo for Kate fans.... I’ve only suggested this as a happy medium between the two fan bases here and the ratio is still Kate 2 Max 1..... thoughts????

Then you have the people that don't care about Max, and too much Max and you have the Kate followers leaving. Problem is from having two different ME for the same game, with each group not caring about the other ME.

Rachel Staples

Well despite me being happy or not, I’m actually correct on certain things I’ve said, the reason some of the BB followers haven’t come back yet is that they are waiting for content to catch up to where it was before it was cancelled last time, then they’ll all come back, I’ve supported BB and Glamour and despite losing in multiple polls in the past I don’t threaten to stop my support over it, I simply point out that support COULD be lost, at the moment it’s standing on a possible 47% even though I’ll probably stick around I can’t speak for other people, I’m not aiming this at you personally so don’t misunderstand my comment here but some of us have been here a long time and have a level of loyalty towards DS, yes I disagree with some things story wise and dev decisions, maybe I’m pretty vocal about these things BUT it’s supporters like myself that devs want, the ones that stick around and support through thick and thin, not the ones who cancel their support every time they don’t get their own way.... You’re not wrong in what you’ve said above but to add Max to the game wasn’t my decision but by doing this it gave BB fans hope of a continuation, a reboot, a do-over, a way to correct past mistakes (the last one being DS’s own words), if you look on the inter webs there is a huge following online for BB, there are multiple devs now taking on continuations of the project, reboots, yet I have a loyalty to DS’s version of BB, the original game has spawned a huge fan base, forums filled with fan art, copycat games being developed by others, fan made mods, forum threads that are over 5,000 pages long wanting a continuation, I’m not just claiming there’s still a call for BB content, anyone can see for themselves if they know where to look, I’m here to say that I only vote 50-50 content split I’m not here to get Kate erased from the game, all I’ve been asking for is a bit of fairness because I’m 100% convinced that once the Max content gets to a certain point then the fans of BB will come back and when they do that means more money for DS, more money to hire a bigger team, possible larger monthly updates than we already get, doing a 50-50 content split won’t only benefit me but it will benefit Kate fans too, as more money generally means more content for everyone, it’s a win win situation which is probably why DS brought Max into the game to begin with, I honestly can’t understand why people are against DS making more money and are being short sighted here not seeing the bigger picture, like I said above just my opinions, nothing personal but I just wanted to get my point across. All I’m asking for is a bit of fairness but if people can’t see that then I’ll still be here supporting but I can’t say the same for other fans of Max

Games with lead characters like Max are a dime a dozen on Patreon. Kate is a much more unique experience imo.

matt

Меня напрягает вообще эта тихая интервенция. А потом скажут, знаете, контент Макса отстаёт, так что давайте две обновы с Максом и одну с Кейт. При том что изначально на данной странице речь шла только о Кейт.

BarnettDL

I have never understanded why Max had to appear in this game. If BB didn't accomplished the new politics of Patreon, DS should have searched some way to continue its development if there were so many followers as MegaVox789 says in one or another platform. I believe there are other platforms for this and that world doesn't finish in Patreon. I don't understand this love for Max at any cost. This was the game about Kate and I vote for her. And if Max's fans aren't happy about the polls results, well 'ajo y agua' as I should do if the results were on the opposite

Miguel

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Yeah agree with BarnettDL.

Vance Watson

Would have voted for a 2 Max 1 Kate split, but I'll take what I can get. Looking forward to more content with the two of them in the same story.

Spoonman

Мне контент Макса не интересен, если будет поровну - не вижу смысла оплачивать подписку, разве что раз в пол-года - год подключаться, офлайн скачивать.

Yarpen

I will not support content with Max! It all ends with the fact that some of the patrons of Glamor will simply leave.

BarnettDL

Большинство начали Гламур, потому, что не стало ББ. И многие Патроны тут ещё с ББ сидят.

Maybe but unlike some I don’t cancel my support every time it’s a Kate update because I don’t get me own way. Unlike the Kate fans do for Max’s updates

I’ve also asked this question but in a different way because the analytics you asked for won’t give a true result because I don’t cancel my support during Kate updates like some do for Max... the question I’ve asked is to consider the figure at the height of BB when it was a self contained game compared to current figures for Glamour on average

I’d like to also ask DS the same question that was hinted at above... I’d appreciate an answer, even if it’s just a one word answer.... At the height of BB, not current BB support but when it was at its height think about that figure and then think about the support figures for Glamour (considering this may be unfair because Glamour is basically two games), which individual game brought in more monthly revenue? We don’t need details just a quick answer as to which one brings in the most cash... despite how unfair the question is... it would be interesting to know this answer 🤷‍♂️

How about the option to support one or both with pledges then the $$ will speak volumes.?

The C

If Max dont get enough love.. people that favor him might drop off. You say yourself that Kate atm have ALOT more "screen" time. So perhaps for a period.. even it out so Max get more content. Then make a new poll?!?

Zilver Fox

Dark, you probably have some analytics that you can look at. Do you make more money or have more subscribers during a Max update month?

matt

All Kate all the time.

matt

I didn't join this Patreon for a BB reboot. I joined it for Kate.

Radical686

большинство начинали гламур а не ББ, кто хочет Макса -пусть играет в ББ

23 and 24 kate, 25, 26 and 27 max

Hmm Hmmsen

2 max updates and 1 kate update for the same amount of time like when it was 2 kate updates and 1 max xD after that both have much content and an equal fifty fifty for both sounds fair :-]

if you start connect the stories it will be amazing !

I think it would at least help if you would develop Max' content until the point where he goes to college with Alice and Kate. That way you would really close a lot of the content gap between Kate and Max.

Dur-Dan

With all due respect, it's not about your personal preference either. Whether we realize it or not, this decision has already been made. This game started off as a game about Kate. There was overwhelming support for Kate when a new character was introduced, and there was overwhelming support for Kate when Max was offered up. There was no "Max route" to support, so lack of content was irrelevant. We paid for a game about Kate, supported it, and ended up with what DS labeled a "complete reboot of the original Big Brother". When the last poll came out, there was far more support for Kate than Max, yet we ended up with a 2 and 1 update schedule. Now, we have to vote for it again. It seems that DS has already made his decision about the future of the game, and wants it to look like it's what we wanted. Our vote is completely irrelevant. BB won before it ever started.

i do the max update but i think it would have been better to concentrate fully on kate to the finish then release another game that ties into this focusing max. cause as it stands until they tie the 2 together it is a wasted effort until very much later in development

Lisa is the girl I like the most in the game, so...

It’s beside the point if people play Max’s route or not, thing is this poll isn’t about your personal preference, it’s about supporters as a whole, both routes should be equal because I’m not being harsh here but I pay an equal amount as most others to support the Max route and get very little content compared to Kate, but yet again I’m assuming people will vote selfishly and Max fans will be screwed over again.... DS I think you should have made this decision yourself instead of putting it to a poll, while I appreciate polls for small decisions, a big development decision like this should have been made by you and you alone, much like other polls we’ve seen in the past regarding big decisions, my point here is that if you make more Max content then you may attract more of the lapsed former supporters who went elsewhere when BB was shelved when content catches up to where the last game left off

I really don't care at all about the Max route. Max is mostly a rehash of your previous game. How about a new Patreon option where we pay a smaller fee and get only the Kate updates.

lothian53

I may have do the same.

Same. I would have voted for MORE Kate if it was an option

Max is good. :) P.S. How about increase size of text for mobile devices? Increase more than 130%? It is not good to recognize too small letters...

I'm also one of those that play Kate only. I just could not get into Max, too much of a jerk for me.

Rachel Staples

Пост пропал. Ну повторю вкратце, я за два обновления с Катей и одно - с Максом. Если срежут время на разработку контента с Катей, проголосую рублём.

BarnettDL

It would be fair if Max had the same content as Kate. I know it's not possible even if people vote 50/50. At least the content gap between Kate and Max won't increase. I personally would be very happy if Max would get every second update.😁👏👍

lukumo

Personally, I don't play the Max route at all, so I'll always vote for more Kate :)

Alexander B