The Besties Battle Bracket: twists!

Just catching this now, and I kept expecting Braid to come up! I remember being like 18 and thinking that twist was sooo amazing.

specwill

I know I am super late to this but it will never not confuse me why this group really dislikes Spec Ops: The Line. "It has a multiplayer mode, thereby defeating it's message" -- the multiplayer mode was forced by the publisher and developed by an entirely different dev. For a group that stays pretty looped in on the developers, this is surprising to hear this decades later! "The only correct way is to not play, this is a $65 video game" Is the only way to "correctly watch" Apocalypse Now to "not watch it"? It's a game, its meant to be played and enjoyed, and then reflect on the themes and storytelling? I get it's not y'alls tea, but these lines of logic don't make sense

Kyle Keller

Lol I’m so disappointed, I love the twist in Silent Hill 2. So impactful for me. I’m crushed!

Beard4Charity

I know I’m late the party, but I’m still surprised that none of you included Ocarina of Time with Sheik being Zelda. I feel like that was such an impactful reveal that made a big difference in how you viewed the game. It also played a pivotal role in showing that Zelda isn’t just a princess in need of rescue, but that she’s her own strong character fighting on her own front.

Druma

I REALLY felt like they missed the point of Spec Ops - it’s less a critique of video games and more a critique of American exceptionalism and military overreach.

Skyler Stuckey

Agreed - the discussion on thus episode mistakenly says Ellie had decided to sacrifice herself - but she’s never told she’s going to die before surgery. Feel like lots of oversights in this episode that were actually pretty important to get right.

Skyler Stuckey

Late catching this episode but I wanted to let the Besties —and anyone interested— know that if you want to learn lots more about Spec Ops the Line and how it got made, plus read some of Walt Williams excellent writing you should totally check out the book Significant Zero by him! It focuses pretty heavily on what it’s like to get into writing video games and chronicles the making of Spec Ops from start to finish. It’s a fascinating read for anyone interested in video game writing or just wanting a little backstory on the game!

Park Ranger Sam

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Chris

Luke

I totally forgot about the "nothing from the past 10 years" rule and was thinking "where is SOMA" the entire episode lol. You could fill half a bracket just with the twists in SOMA, what an incredible game.

Cowgba

Omg I got my callout in my birthday month and russ said my last name correctly WEEEE!!

Katie Leffel

Four games about how you're the bad guy and not a single one of them is Braid?

Steven Dinger

KOTOR is hands down the best twist. I'm sad you all haven't finished it.

Broman Dema

It's crazy to me 3/4 of this podcast hasn't finished KOTOR. #1 Twist without a doubt. And while we're high diving BioWare, how about the awesome twist in Jade Empire! Does nobody remember Jade Empire!?

Rashad

I really should replay bioshock

BoomBrawl

The ending of Spec Ops really sticks with me. It's after the twist, when you are fully aware of how sick you are, and the American "good guys" are trying to arrest you and take away your gun and you have a few seconds to decide if you want to keep on killing people, or let them arrest you. I was genuinely conflicted about about what I wanted to do, and just when I decided to start shooting, the soldier lunged forward and snatched my gun away. That felt like a well-earned ending for me. Of course, I reloaded after the credits to try shooting first, and was rewarded with the toughest fight of the game so far... Wasn't really fun, and the ending felt like total nihilism, but it's cool that was an option. Later on, I loaned the game to my friend. When he gave it back, he said he played the multiplayer for a while and couldn't get into it. Didn't even touch the campaign.

Jon

I gotta say, I hope that in future episodes, you stick to games that at least one of you actually played. The conversation around Silent Hill 2 was a total bummer, nobody could actually make a case for it, so why even have it? What I love about your brackets is that usually somebody is passionate enough about the game to make their case for it. When nobody has played a game, it just feels like it's just there to pad the bracket rather than to generate interesting discussion.

Noah Wood

I gotta say, the thing justin said about portal is wrong "unless you do something, you die and the story is over" If you die in the fire in portal, it loads again and put you back on the treadmill, making it very obvious that you were supposed to do something.

Andrew van Baarsen

Think something should only be put in the bracket if someone in the cast nominates it (and would presumably fight for it/portray why it deserves to be there). Haven’t even played Silent Hill 2 firsthand and know it was done dirty. Nonetheless a great episode as always.

Daltraxx

BIOSHOCK over PORTAL?? Im going to signal my disagreement by continuing my pledge in protest

Isaac Smith

Great episode! Although I still don’t understand and completely agree with The Last of Us twist that was picked as an actual twist. I feel like that’s just the story unfolding and happening. I honestly thought when you first mentioned TLOU, I thought you were going to say the twist was when we got to play as Ellie

Daniel

I think they misremembered the twist a bit which dampered the impact too. The crux of it was that 343 Guilty Spark kept saying activating the halos was the only way to stop the Flood so everyone assumed it was built to kill them, with the last second reveal being it actually kills all sentient life that the flood can infect.

Matt Seljan

I know this must have been hell to record, but the exhausted energy on these is extremely entertaining to listen to

Keegan

I completely agree. You killing the colossus is obviously a bad thing from the very begining. The music and tone completely illustrate that this creature has done nothing wrong.

Casey Williams

This was the greatest episode of podcasting since the Keyser Soze reveal made me realize how cool twists can be. And since that was before podcasts existed… plot twist: this is the best podcast episode ever.

MetaRidleyScott

Yeah SH2 should’ve won that round, the emotional stakes are so much heavier

BlueZones

I'm late, but I don't understand how Shadow of the Colossus is on the list because it never feels good killing them.

Monty

And the Mass Effect series has plenty of twists, but I don’t think “Shepard dies briefly” is one of them. The Protheans being Collectors. The Reapers having made the Mass Effect relays. The Reapers having been built by ancient squid like creatures (tho I’m not sure it counts if such a huge bit of lore was dropped in DLC, but you know how BioWare be sometimes…).

Elyse

I have to agree with others that maybe my definition of twist might be different from the guys’. For instance, I don’t think the TLoU twist was a twist at all— just a sudden escalation of the stakes. But it doesn’t turn the narrative on its head at all— which is what I consider to be a twist. Something being shocking isn’t enough for me to consider it a twist. It has to recontextualize the rest of the piece, imo.

Elyse

just started the episode still in the first bracket but i think the twist of tlou1 isn't the murder spree, it's the fact that ellie will have to die. the rest of the game operates under the assumption that ellie and joel will have a life after the fireflies.

mod2amaryllis

I think the least surprising twist is in Doki Doki Literature Club, even knowing nothing about the game going in. I played it at someone's strong recommendation; it is *not* my genre. I couldn't tell if it was a feature of the genre or just my paranoia, but I could tell something was wrong very early on. On another note, I was sad not to see Inscryption make it to the discussion, but I understand the limitations that were set. I think it easily outperforms the bottom half of the bracket and it would make my personal top 5. Not only does it have twists, the twist opens up the narrative and game play in fascinating ways.

David Bauer

I don't think a twist involving fridging a girlfriend is worth a vote to move forward.

Dan Reeser

Halo 1 twist was huuuuuge for me 🥹

Jonathan Shea

This was a fun episode, loving the late night sleep over energy. Amazed that Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons wasn’t included in the brackets though. I thought that was a brilliant little game that had a twist that was both narratively and mechanically satisfying and shocking. I still think about that one a lot — it was one of the first that I felt could only have been delivered in the medium of games, where a lot of the other twists in games were things that just as easily could have been a movie.

Matt Swanson

Idk if you guys can edit these but you do spoil Red Dead 2 really casually and I feel the thing you say has a heavy impact on the story

pisseer

It suffers from the curse of nostalgia but I still think about the last level in halo reach. Every level before (especially as a kid) had an end point that felt generally satisfying, usually in some sort of win even if it involved sacrifice. But the last level there was no obvious end, you just kept fighting until you couldn’t anymore and it was the first time I actually felt stressed in a halo game. The rest of reach is fine but the last level I think stands out.

SeaWalt

Top Twists of this episode - Instantly dismissing SH2 with no discussion at all because no one had played it, followed only by the twist that the 'too late' time everyone kept referencing was 10:30.

Jesse K

The real twist is that Ellie has going to be killed. That's the big reveal.

billfromamerica

Absolutely astonished that the twist at the ends of Shadow the Hedgehog wasn't included in here. Darn shame.

Colin Mallee

I love the fever dream state of their recording. Also back to back champion BioShock lets goooo

Yuusic

Thank you! I was thinking the same thing. Surely the twist in that game is that the operation would kill Ellie, not Joel's response to learning that fact .

Jonathan Standish

Also I want to say, I DO think FF7 should be in here, but I don't think the Aerith thing should be the reason. It's certainly a crazy thing that happens, but I'd almost argue it's not a twist so much as a very unexpected thing to happen in a game at that time. I think the big revelation about Cloud's backstory that finally comes together when Tifa and him fall into the Lifestream is the actual twist that the game has been building to the whole time. EDIT: Oh Griffin brings that up immediately lol

Nick Macaluso

I say this as someone who loves TLOU1 (and 2 but that's not what's in this episode) I think it has no place in this episode. Nothing about what happens at the end is a twist. It makes complete sense that he wouldn't be down for any of what's happening and would do anything to rescue Ellie. Whether or not that's what Ellie would even want, Joel was never going to allow them to kill Ellie for a world that he doesn't even believe is worth saving anyway. It'd have been a twist if he had just walked away and forgot about Ellie, frankly.

Nick Macaluso

I want to play a modded Kotor with Dave Bautista playing Bastila now 😂😂😂

PaxSnax

This whole episode was so full of twists, and it was amazing. :)

Mike Hansford

At what point are we considering the start of the Twist in Last of Us? I feel like the torture scene made the hospital not all that surprising.

Patrick Hightower

My personal favorite twist is meeting Vendrick in the Undead Crypt in Dark Souls 2.

Casey Francis Alger

This is what I thought they were going to say!

Scott from NerdSync

God damn it I should've seen the "arm-wife twist" twist coming from a mile away. Well played.

BucklingSwashes

The idea of "what is a twist" is apparently more debated than I thought. Some of these didn't really seem like twists. Personally, I wouldn't really consider Link's Awakening a twist. I mean technically it is I guess, but the name pretty much gives it away. Whereas the twist in Red Dead was totally out of nowhere for me and blew my mind (and I wasn't even playing the game - I was just watching my brother play!). I think we literally yelled at the tv when it happened. Still loved the episode though! Would love to have the option to submit ideas for future bracket seeds.

glassfunyun

The ME2 twist they went with was actually bonkers. It was that Shepherd dies at the beginning… but is alive a minute later. My thought was they were going with the collector/prothean twist.

CPT_Turboshaft

HOW is the Mass Effect 2 twist not that the Collectors (big bads of the whole game) were actually Protheans!?!? ME2 has a few solid twists in it, and you guys picked the worst one. How is an intro a twist?

CPT_Turboshaft

I think they were goofing around. They'd already decided to advance Zelda and gave joke reasons why RDR failed the rubric. They also said the twist didn't make sense because Marston was a nice guy and no one would shoot him.

Chris Laun

Crying laughing at the don’t wake the wind fish

Tuoman

How is no one talking about the biggest game twist of all time??? Giovanni is the missing Viridian City Gym leader!!!

Charmanderson Cooper

I totally agree that the cure was no sure thing. I think the fireflies discredit themselves when they are so sure, almost immediately, that they have to perform a terminal brain surgery on the only person who has ever shown immunity.

billfromamerica

But what about SOMA? Totally thought it should go up against Dead Space

Julia

That match up between portal and bioshock was tough!!! Those are usually my go to examples!

sven sven

Best game twist is Ai: The Somnium Files Nirvana Initiative and it's not even close (although it came out in the late 10 years so i get why it isn't here.) Also came here to defend my love for Spec Ops the Line! Totally get that it feels so on the nose, but the game is really about the myth of heroism and rugged individualism as framed by the hallucinations of an obsessed American military soldier and it will always be special.

Liam Granlund

loved the episode but gotta say it's absolutely wild to say red dead was lacking a narrative! the game digs into john's relationship with his wife and kid, and how he's caught between that chapter of his life and the one previous to it, his days running with the gang. the major standoffs in that game are all with people john once bled alongside, and rdr2 twists that knife even further by really digging into the relationships of the gang/its family-esque structure

Gabriel Ling

I think FF7 takes it over Bioshock, even if you don’t factor in the Cloud identity crisis. A jrpg where a main party member that you play with for almost the entire game dies permanently?! Absolutely wild twist in the story and from a meta perspective as a player.

ThanaThots

I have now been given dirty looks while walking my dog for just straight up screaming' "FONTAINE! HIS NAME IS FONTAINE! IT'S FRANK FONTAINE" as you four struggled to remember Atlas's true name in Bioshock.

IHaveARussFrushtickBodyPillow

I could have sworn that Braid was going to be in this twist bracket. Dang.

Garrett Jackson

I agree. I also never understood why anyone would put that much faith into the idea that Ellie's sacrifice would have for sure made a difference. I thought there was a collectible (in the original version at least, maybe it was removed) that implied that the doctors didn't really know that they could replicate her immunity anyway. Joel wasn't naive enough to believe it, and he wasn't about to lose his daughter all over again for a long shot. The twist was that the Fireflies were the baddies (from Joel's perspective)

Dan K

If I had any doubts about the ethics of killing a colossi, they were pretty much confirmed by the tragically framed death cinematics. Then again, I’ll always take the side of a BBB ( Big Beautiful Beast) so I was in for a sad time regardless.

Ccchloister

Still reeling from Griffin calling Bastilla Shan “Dave Batista” 🤣🤣

Saga Nadow

Least surprising twist: When Goofy turns out to be alive in KH2 after getting bonked on the head. It's like trying to convince me that Thomas the Tank Engine has died in a tragic chemical explosion. Agreed with some comments that it's kind of an annoying week to be both a besties fan and a TLOU fan. I think it just kinda felt like a bummer to listen to TLOU catching more flak from y'all when it felt like "it shouldn't even be here!!" 😅

VacantExpressionComics

I heard all 2 decibels of that Balatro music in Justin's bg. It's in my head 24/7 anyway.

Johnny Van Cura

You guys, the last of us twist is not that Joel goes crazy! The twist is that the fireflies are going to kill Ellie. You spend the whole game trying to protect her and bring her to humanity's supposed saviors, assuming that she will just get her blood drawn or something. Then *TWIST* the plan was to kill her all along. Joel killing everyone is not the twist. It's his big gasp.

billfromamerica

So I haven't played the Portal games in years, but I don't remember any twists in the first Portal game? Even listening to the episode I was like this isn't ringing any bells as a surprise. But Portal 2? Yeah, that was hilarious. Wheatley and potato Glados. Need I say more?

Casey Shinn

I think it may have already been mentioned, but I do think y’all did The Last of Us a bit of a disservice. The twist isn’t that Joel goes on a killing spree, it’s that when he wakes up, and after he’s reassured that everything is okay, he finds out that Ellie has to die during the procedure. And it’s implied that people kind of knew that all along. THAT’S the twist, not the rampage. It’s the heart-dropping realisation that this bond Joel has created is about to be torn apart, and that he feels like he now has to make a decision. And yes, then Joel does become a monster, but I think the twist there is much more intense than y’all pitched.

Hannah

I’m pretty upset that the crazy twists in the Mega Man series weren’t even addressed. Who knew that Dr. Cossack was actually manipulated by Dr. Wily in MM4? Who could have guessed that Dr. Wily was behind the fake Proto Man in MM5? How did anyone see the reveal that Mr. X was actually just Dr. Wily in MM6?

Mike Kenney

I love discussions on “ludonarrative dissonance”

Garfunkel Horseman

Is "it feels a little sad to kill the colossi" a "twist"? The way it's presented in the episode is that the twist of Shadow of the Colossus is that the colossi are just kinda hanging out and it's mean to hurt them, actually, which is in no way a twist any moreso than a generic WoW quest to get four zhevra hooves by killing five hundred thousand zhevra has a twist because the zhevra don't attack you on sight. Plus some of the colossi ARE aggressive. Wikipedia tells me there IS a twist though - unbeknownst to you (the player), the colossi were created to seal away the shattered essence of some being who is manipulating you, and its soul or whatever is slowly corrupting you until it possesses you and you are kind of killed when it's sealed back away. I think a better term than "twist" for what was being talked about is "'oh shit' moments". Joel at the end of Last of Us? Not really a twist, definitely an oh-shit. Aerith dying? Mass Effect 2 intro? Playing as the arbiter? Same thing. Was kinda bummed that games from the last 10 years were excluded; if this isn't the place to talk about that, where is? Behind a paywall, specific discrete dedicated spoiler episode. Cmonnnnn let's go gloves off! Although off the top of my head the only one I'd want to include is Undertale, maybe the initial Toriel/Flowey trap that everyone falls into. SOMA too. The ending of Life Is Strange episode 3. How best to say... "some of the puzzles" in The Witness. Regardless, some other games from outside the 10-year window that I think deserve(d) consideration: Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons (2013): You want a gameplay/mechanical twist? Here it is. This is the one. You've been using half of your controls to control the younger brother and the other half to control the older brother, who is the one who can swim. But he dies towards the end of your journey and one of the final obstacles to get the medicine back to your father requires you to swim. But the younger brother's buttons don't work - you can't do it. Unless... he's not there anymore, but you use his controls and you get through it. Wow. Wow wow wow. Video games. Deus Ex: Human Revolution (2011): The moment you realize that the upgraded biochip you optionally (but probably) installed can be controlled by the antagonists and you have to fight Namir without any of your augments while all of your senses glitch out. Or shortly after that when Hugh Darrow uses them to turn the entire planet into Stephen King's Cell. Braid (2008): the final time reversal revealing that the kidnapped princess you are trying to save was saved by a knight and has been running from you To the Moon (2011): even the elevator pitch for this game makes me well up. "two doctors traversing backwards through a dying man's memories to artificially fulfill his last wish." And while not a traditional twist in a "you were your own twin the whole time" sort of way, I think the moment of anagnorisis when the doctors finally discover the genesis of Johnny's desire to go the moon (meeting his now-deceased wife River as a child at a carnival, becoming friends, and making a promise to each other that he'd since forgotten that they would reunite on the moon if they were ever separated) absolutely fits the "recontextualizes earlier events" criteria and is still the most vicious tearjerking moment I've experienced in a game. I can't believe that recurring piano motif is called For River. That's so mean. Why would they do that to us. Alright that's way too much. Least surprising twist? Ehh every time a jrpg has you defeat the secret big bad behind the presumptive bigbad by using the power of friendship. Or the identity of Lazarus in Case of the Golden Idol. Lol. edit: worth noting that I really enjoyed this. I just had Thoughts and it's a slow day at work. You know how it is.

rbar

Least surprising twist: of recent memory, probably Tears of the Kingdom. Obviously TotK kicks every ass, but the second I saw that light dragon I knew what it was, and as soon as I realized that I knew what was gonna happen in that final boss fight. To be clear I don't think that diminishes these moments at all, but it felt very obvious to me. These were not bad twists, they just weren't suprising.

Your Good Buddy Brandon

All love, but y’alls explanation of the last of us part 1 twist was a major misread! Joel making the decision to kill the fireflies in that dark ending was just *part* of the twist. The other element, completely missed, was the fact that he even had to make that decision in the first place. Y’all said that Ellie had already chosen throughout the game to sacrifice herself, but neither of them had any clue that the fireflies were going to kill her for a cure until the end. They even made conversational references to the life they were planning to have after they found the fireflies and helped them find the cure; They anticipated going back to Joel’s brother’s village. Ellie doesn’t actually find out that she was going to be killed until the next game. So the twist was 1) learning that Ellie was going to be sacrificed, 2) Joel making the instinctual decision not to lose his daughter *again* and going hell to leather to save her, and 3) lying to her about the truth. In my opinion, this makes the twist much more engaging and the serves to contextualize Joel’s backstory and his journey with Ellie very well.

Elisha Lucero

Least surprising twist: Sheik is Zelda

Jackie aka Jax

And Danganronpa, in a similar vein

Jackie aka Jax

I've got two: Dunno if anyone cares but the "twist" of the top-down time-twisting torture-porn 12 Minutes, in which you have to figure out how to stop a cop from breaking into your home and killing you and your wife is .... spoilers.... You are your wife's half brother, you killed both your own father and hers, you were hypnotized by the cop (who doesn't recognize you?) into forgetting these facts, and your wife is pregnant with your incest baby. A mess from start to finish. A game that's actually good was the reboot of Bionic Commando that was on Xbox 360, but it did have a dumb twist: your character is being coerced by the government in order to see your wife again, but it turns out SHE IS YOUR BIONIC ARM. Her soul is in there so the arm bonds to you or some such gobbledygook.

Kyle Van Son

Re: Shadow of the Colossus, I had the exact same reaction as Frush's wife! AND it's the same reason I couldn't play Monster Hunter World-- literally felt like a colonizer rolling up to an unexplored land and killing all the native fauna for a prettier pair of boots lol

Emily

I agree with you and also think the gasp factor should've been a primary consideration, not a tie breaker. The twists that people talk about years later are the shocking ones.

Chris Laun

addendum: i'd wonder if i'm nitpicking except justin and griffin said the same thing... basically i don't think "surprising plot development" is the same thing as a "twist." a plot twist is the reveal of information that was previously hidden from you that recontextualizes the earlier part of the story and makes you think about it in a different way.

Brian Peters

My car does this too and 100% would love merch about listening to "The Besties Battle Bra" on my way to work.

Josh Andrews

okay, i haven't finished the episode yet, and i know the rubrics aren't really meant to be super serious, but i'm only into the discussion of the first matchup and i'm already kind of put off here. like... the second rubric *for deciding the BEST TWIST* says "okay, ignore the twist... how's the rest of the game". Like... what? And then half of the first matchup is a game that doesn't actually have a twist? And then skimming the rest of the matchups I see several games where my first reaction is "I don't remember any 'twists' in that game" (Mass Effect 2, Final Fantasy 7, Portal... and those are just the ones I've played myself). So... not not sure about this one. Despite all that, keep up the great work in general!

Brian Peters

So I really don't see Joel's ending to be a twist. Shocking yes but compared to the rest of the game how Joel is portrayed. He already was a jaded loner who didn't care for anyone because of his depression. His moral code and care of life had deteriorated. Then he gets someone he cares and regains some humanity. So the ending is a reminder of who Joel was before and why he was hired in the first place to get her there. Also Shadow of Colossus is the exact same twist as Last of Us. Your lady love either died or is in a coma and you think you are killing these big evil dudes to do a spell and then find out, wait your actually killing good dudes who to do a dark ritual to bring her back and you succeed but are cursed to become this evil demon. Which from a twist perspective I think Shadow of the colossus did better.

Josh Andrews

I love Spec Ops but I appreciated hearing why Chris didn’t. I will say given it’s about America’s modern military strategy and returning from war changed, I feel like it being subtle would be a pretty weird way to do it! I feel like it’s the good version of what everyone remembers from a lot of bad versions of this from this era, but now that no one can play it I guess it’s academic.

Alex Russell

Great episode, wanted to put my two cents in about the Metroid twist, because I don't think of it as a twist. You only find out that Samus is a woman if you beat the game within certain parameters, as sort of an Easter egg. It's like the dog ending from Silent Hill, it has nothing to do with the narrative but it's just a fun little "hey you did the thing, here's a little treat". But hey, maybe a Wildest Easter Egg bracket would be a fun episode in the future?

Taylor Moore

I can’t share a picture here but i wanted to let you know that in my car Bluetooth these show up as “The Besties Battle Bra”. New merch idea?

Jody Anthony

Although I don’t think it was really much of a twist, I remember very clearly the end of the last of us, destroying EVERYBODY in my path to get to Ellie. When I finally got to the operating room I breathed a sigh of relief, because I wouldn’t have to kill these people. They were medical personnel, they wouldn’t fight back. But then the doctor came at me: “well, shit, I guess I have to kill you.” I felt so gross after doing that. I know part 2 was very divisive, but my personal experience with the end of part 1 made part 2 feel appropriate. Editors note: I have 3 daughters… so I also feel for Joel. “Dad, are you scared of snakes? Spiders? What are you scared of?” My reply: “my daughter’s getting hurt.”

Ken Clark

I feel like they should be the fallback if you can't come to a consensus without them.

Kári Kárason

So 2 Rubiks for best twist, neither of which is how good/interesting/surprising the twist actually is? 😤 Really dislike the rubriks every time.

Kári Kárason

The Assassins Creed discussion at the beginning reminded me of one of my faves. I fell off that series pretty hard after 2 - but the end of that game is just wild. Ezio finds a hologram Minerva, and as she speaks she looks past him, peering directly at the camera pov, talking about how you have to save the world, eventually revealing she is talking to present day Desmond from so many hundreds of years in the past. That moment of realizing the whole of Ezio's journey primarily served the delivery of that message was mind blowing to me, and pretty funny as Ezio keeps turning around asking who she's talking to. I feel like every game in the series after that has been trying to replicate that magic trick, and none of them really come close.

Your Good Buddy Brandon

least surprising twist for me has to go to "the Arkham Knight is Jason Todd". not only did the story make it obvious by replaying his murder and giving you a lot of info about him that wasn't present in previous games before the reveal, it was obvious even from the trailers because the Red Hood story is so well known. imo it should have just been revealed to the audience early on. would have made more sense and likely helped the narrative

Daryl Hudson Davis

I just was playing Jedi Survivor this week and it immediately turned out the guy in the bacta tank you rescued who looks like Sephiroth is evil. I was like "yeah Cal were you not watching the same vision I was watching?"

Josh C

I just finished playing through the Zero Escape series. You could do a new bracket just with twists from those games.

Chris Laun