Fireside Chat for WWW ep22 "Bring Them to Me"

Ive just started listening recently, so very late to this party. I think for me there were 2 things that weren't really addressed when talking about the breakdown between Suvi and Ame. One is going back to arc one, there is discussion that Suvi can beat Ame in a discussion. Of course Suvi wants to talk things out, she is intelligent and she can talk things through in such a way that her way is the rational and reasonable one. Ame doesn't have the intelligence to match that, but she knows in her heart/gut what is right. We have seen that Suvi can justify some of the pretty horrible things that we have seen from the empire, so just because she can talk about something untill it's rational doesn't mean that it is the right thing. The other thing mentioned by Abria is that Suvi thinks she is the only one of the 3 who cares about human casualties, but she cares about humans over and above anything else. She doesn't have the same care for the spirits who are imprisoned. Ame has said that by her station she needs to care for both.

Jamie ßuçklānđ

I found Suvi a difficult character many times in the campaign, but the truth is I see aspects of my younger self in her -- particularly the need for a rational explanation for everything. It's a perfectly reasonable desire, and yet...you can make all sorts of horrors sound rational and necessary with the right language, and conversely sometimes you know something is right or wrong and can't explain it rationally.

Jordan

“hold up our head with our very own neck” + side eye pause. cackling

icesquirrel

Incredible and devastating character work!!!! love how much care and talent this podcast has! I can’t stop thinking about Aabria explaining that Suvi understands love through the lens of obediance😭😭😭 and how she feels isolated from her friends’ logic and choices. I need to sit down.

icesquirrel

Also fuuuuuck Suvi is so damn cool!

Gabriel Galway

God damn balling my eyes out at Eursulon's reunion T_T

Gabriel Galway

positively charged? you could say this episode was “ion”-ic

Jackson Mosher

First off love this show love these people love this story. Second I’m with Brennan on I’ll follow these players wherever they wanna go. But just a quick note, Ame is taking the Wizard Sly’s prophecy about as seriously as holy writ. Which explains her urgency to leave… DID SHE FORGET ABOUT THE PART WHERE SLY SAYS IF YOU DONT BRING SUVI YOU WILL DIE?? That was my biggest concern from this episode. I know Ame is compelled to run off and do her own thing. But if she was so willing to go to such lengths because she would be destroyed by her coven, I feel like she should’ve been equally concerned about leaving and leaving in a way that would allow Suvi to come cause either way she dies. She doesn’t make the meeting she dies. She makes the meeting but without Suvi, she dies. But hey like Brennan said if they wanna steer the car into a TPK I’ll be equally as excited for Abria’s campaign 😈🥰

Gordon

“Sorry for the long letter, I didn’t have time to make it shorter”

The Wizard Shield

I hate to be misunderstood. Someone using my words out of context or in a way outside of my intended use literally brings a tear to my eye sometimes. This is actually linked to what they talked about with small talk. I’ve been in customer service and customer facing jobs for 15 years now. You learn to chat with people. But it’s not the best for me. I prefer to go deep with people. But when I was on dating apps the worst people I ever talked to were the ones who said they “hated small talk” it just meant they couldn’t hold a conversation. You have to start small with everyone. “What kind of movies do you like.” “What kind of pets do you like?” Then from there you can find how comfortable they are, find out who they are and meet them where they’re at. This does 2 things. It lets them feel comfortable with you, and lets you know if they’re someone who it is safe to give your thoughts and words and feelings. It’s not fair to every person you meet to ask them what they think happens after they die. Or if they’ve thought about how the universe will end. “What’s the purpose of morality?” “Sir this is a Wendy’s.” You don’t know that person, and you don’t know what that will trigger in them. If you want to build community and find others of a like mind, you have to have somewhere safe to start then you can build from there. High concept conversations and deep thoughts need a strong bedrock of understanding. My hatred of being misunderstood is probably why I’m so on Suvis side here. “Just talk to me” “explain whatever this is”. The other two are so quick to leave that they don’t see her pain over the choices they’ve made. Aabria said that Suvi feels like she’s the only one that cares about human casualties. And considering what happened in port Talon with the River killing hundreds, and neither Urselon nor Ame showing any real hurt or pain or fear from causing that, I don’t think she has any reason to think otherwise. The Empire and the Citadel will eventually show themselves to be corrupt in a way that only imperialism can. But I truly believe that nothing has happened to any of these characters to make them distrust it as much as they seem to, and since none of them are talking to Suvi she is constantly on the outside of her group. Hopefully soon they’ll be able to see eye to eye on a lot of this l, but for now they’re all 3 on different levels and until they do actually talk they’re in trouble.

The Wizard Shield

Wait. Wait, wait, WAIT, fkn HOLD THE PHONE. "Straight up, I'll remind you, WBN is an anthology..." yea, OK I knew that. "... steer the car into a TPK," OK ominous and threatening... "...AND START AABRIA'S CAMPAIGN" I'M SORRY, FKN WHAT, TELL ME MORE, TELL ME NOW, TELL ME EVERYYYTTHHIIING I WILL FIGHT A WIZARD WHOSE HAD 8HRS WARNING WITH MY FISTS AND I AM A WITCH BY TRADE.

Sil

I find Suvi such an interesting character because I rarely agree with her actions in the moment but I *never* disagree with Aabria. Like I'm a big fan of the hobo wizard, the spell caster who's bending of reality and defiance of the rules of the world is- casting fireball on a budget. And in this world- that's a hedgemage, something Suvi looks down on and mocks the efforts of, but I fully support Aabria in having Suvi have that perspective. It makes sense, it adds an interesting angle and elite nature to our wizard. It's great. This carries over into everything Suvi does, I so badly want this mage to see the programming of the Empire, the fact that Morrow isn't a product of the Empire but of the Citadel, that most wizards she's met and even befriended would absolutely take out Ame and capture Eursulon if given the chance, etc etc. but that would be too quick, she's level 2, let's have party conflict, let's have real time which this upbringing and world view, and as Aabria has said- Suvi isn't being communicated to in a way she understands, so her differing perspective only gets further from Ame and Ursulon.

"If you respect me, you will help me understand what is happening." Oof. Yeah.

susan tiss

Rum Samson briefly asks what would've happened if Eursulon had drawn steel after being caught by Citadel soldiers. The first two arcs have mostly treated violence really carefully and with great weight: only Suvi has a kill with her own hands, for example. But... there's also a lot of discussion about how 'the business of Empire' includes airships and martial law, and now the War is starting up again. So my question is... War against whomst? *Who is the Citadel fighting, and why?*

Zamp