Angel: 2x12 Full Reaction
Added 2024-08-17 14:22:51 +0000 UTC"Blood Money"
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He's not all gone, but he's pretty close to it - there's no indication that Angel's master plan was to give the money to the shelter from the beginning, and given that his plan could have gotten Anne arrested, he might not even have decided to give her the money until after he'd stolen it.
Holy Stregas
2024-08-29 19:06:59 +0000 UTCMerl can be a bit shady, he definitely was in episode 1 of this season, but I don't blame him for ratting out Angel here. Angel treats him like crap and he keeps having strangers visit him at his home uninvited threatening him and beating him up. If I were him I would have squealed on him, too. lol
Steve Quast
2024-08-19 17:47:59 +0000 UTCPerseus, from which we get the hero templates of Hurcules, Samson, Superman, Samson, Beowulf, Buffy, all have a "journey" of troubles and setbacks and so on to overcome before they can "claim their prize", and some are cautionary tales not of triumph but of tragedy and downfall. Angel, has all that and a set of sharp teeth. He is a "cursed hero" , and often a "reluctant hero" to boot. He is on some kind of gnarly quest of his own, leaving the group behind, either unwilling or unable to protect them, and apparently quite pissed off at the Powers That Be, for not letting him save Darla, teasing him with temptations of women, power, humanity, love, only to rip them from him. He has tried the moral high ground and got only heartbreak in return. The Powers are perfectly fine with letting his past come back to torment him in worst forms, with apparently nothing in it for him. All he knows right now is that Wolfram & Hart are after him in a big way, and took Darla and her soul from him, turned her into another dark tragedy. They dangled both of his longest sex partners in his face, and he did not get a chance for even another go at at that before it was all over in a fiery massacre. Perhaps Angel wants to become the destroyer, and so has to leave the good guys out of it, everything he touches goes to the dark side now. Pride is the most transgressive sin, and coupled with anger it the most destructive, when pride is hurt. When people say they "Don't care anymore" it is a lie -- it means they are not listening to their own morals anymore and are willing to hurt people to get what they want. Because it means they care about their own desires more than any other things in the way. In that way Wolfram & Hart has been successful in corrupting Angel -- isolating him from the Powers, and his friends and crew, taking away his reasons to try to be human, making him lose perspective while focusing him on them, because then they always have a bead on him, and can send more targeted mayhem his way, make it more personal. Evil is always up to something -- it always has an agenda, never just waiting around doing nothing. Now Angel is that way too, not waiting for the Powers to send him off somewhere like a pawn in the game, not being given the bigger picture. Anyway its just a show, but with big moral dilemmas ,comedy and tragedies all through. Helping Anne shows that he is not all gone, yet.
spikeysnack
2024-08-18 19:23:41 +0000 UTCThat's season 3 episode 1 " Anne" season 4 episode 1 is " The Freshman"
Stephen Knueppel
2024-08-18 06:55:06 +0000 UTCRemember the Buffy Episode 4x1, where Buffy had run away and was living in a different city using her middle name, Anne. At the end of the episode, Buffy gives Lily/Chanterelle her flat and her job and her uniform and Lily/Chanterelle says "Can I be Anne?" I've always taken that as meaning she didn't just want the name of Anne, she wanted to be like Anne/Buffy. She saw Buffy as a role model to be emulated - being a strong woman and helping people. Now we see her in Angel doing exactly that - being Anne.
Rod Bate
2024-08-18 01:17:18 +0000 UTCI reckon the sewer monster is a reference to some behind the scene budget issue "the monster is so big and scary but all the audience can see is a fire effect".
James Smith
2024-08-17 23:03:29 +0000 UTC"Wyndham-Pryce, Wesley Wyndham Pryce" with the Sean Connery accent impersonation is a fun little nod to Alexis Densiof having worked with James Bond actor Sean Connery in 'First Knight' (1995).
James Smith
2024-08-17 23:02:13 +0000 UTCAnne certainly changed a lot since meeting Buffy where she was all dependent on others to take care of her. Now she's learned how to pay it back in caring for other kids like she used to be. Angel definitely seems to be tapping into his inner Angelus, like he said to Anne, he no longer cares. Back on Buffy 1x07, he said having a soul makes a difference because it makes him care. So now he's ignoring it a little.
Gung Ho
2024-08-17 21:33:37 +0000 UTCI think she had Holland blindness too and thought he was the same lawyer who had the interview with Lilah and Lindsey after the cellar massacre xD
Ahmad
2024-08-17 21:10:15 +0000 UTCI'm curious as to why they chose to direct the episode without showing certain scenes of the story. Cordy's vision, the sewer fight and then the final fight with Angel and Boone. I kind of like it for this episode with all the misdirects and heist like aspects.
Ahmad
2024-08-17 21:07:57 +0000 UTCAngel has pretty privilege so people shrug off his occasional creepiness π. It was lovely to see Anne again. Her dedication to the shelter makes so much sense when we remember that she was living on the streets when Buffy saw her again. She's gone from living on the streets to compassionately helping others in that situation. It also makes sense why she wasn't fazed by the supernatural stuff! I really like the reveal of why Wolfram and Hart are interested in Angel. R.e Lindsey's accent; the actor who plays Lindsey is from Texas, so I guess that might be what you're hearing.
Rebecca
2024-08-17 18:57:36 +0000 UTCMore related to Wolfram & Hart... I 'm not sure that they actually want a soulless Angel (Angelus). Why not? In my view the evil corporation has the resources and research capability (Reasearch if a big part of any lawyer's job after all...) to know that Angelus is a wild card writ large and his results are never subtle. More likely they want Angel's soul stained with evil and likely sidelined in a more subtle way than simple martyrdom and this is definitely possible. After all, we have plenty of evil by people with souls. Enjoying the reactions and looking forward to more.
Michael Labs
2024-08-17 18:54:24 +0000 UTCI love Anne for the character development we see of her character over the years: In her first appearance in "Buffy" she was in a cult (Vampire-metaphor cult, but still a cult). In her second appearance she's left the cult, but hasn't broken out of that way of thinking so she just transfers that emotional reliance onto a single person instead of an organization (her boyfriend). It's at the end of that episode that Buffy tells her that she has to rely on herself, and now we see that she has taken that to heart and grown into somebody who helps others. We still don't know her "real name" (Chantarelle first, then Lily, and now Anne), but despite that we can see that "Anne" is now who she really is. No longer defining herself by what other people want her to do or expect her to do. She's giving herself meaning. She and Angel actually met in the episode where she was in the vampire cult, but I'll be gracious and not blame either of them for not remembering.
JBK405
2024-08-17 16:28:02 +0000 UTCGotta say I'm not surprised you didn't recognize Anne, since as a character she is something of a changeling to the point where we don't know her name. Every time, the actress looks different and she plays it different, particularly here where she's clearly undergone a lot of character development off-screen. It did concern me a little that you have Lilah-blindness, though. I like this episode for being a bit of a slow burn with regards to the main arc: it's about showing us where Angel's mind is, what his methods and priorities are now and he no longer cares about fighting for good, he cares about fighting against Wolfram & Hart. And we did get the previously implied but still major revelation of the precise reason why W&H want Angel alive.
Jorgalorg
2024-08-17 16:18:10 +0000 UTCHey Cass, sometimes your face blindness is frustrating lol. You have seen Anne before. In season 3 episode 1 of Buffy when she took Buffy's middle name as her own and in season 2 episode 7 when she was in a cult that worshipped Vampires and Spike bit her. It's wonderful that such a minor character has gotten such an interesting story arc.
Stephen Knueppel
2024-08-17 16:16:10 +0000 UTCAnne! If you know you know; if you don't you might be face blind (although in this case the reminders are more subtle than most).
The Testimony of Mushroom
2024-08-17 16:04:17 +0000 UTCA shame that Cass didn't recognise Anne (aka Chanterelle) from Buffy 2x7, 4x1. But nice to see that character again and with a direction and sense of purpose in her life. Although since Cass didn't recognise Lilah within the same episode we can't be surprised π
Matthew
2024-08-17 15:40:16 +0000 UTCyea boi
Jorgalorg
2024-08-17 15:23:20 +0000 UTCJust about to head to work to cover a shift that I wasn't supposed to have. Will watch tonight, maybe tomorrow (depends how work goes).
James Smith
2024-08-17 14:35:15 +0000 UTC
