I agree. if anything Joe's fear of commitment seems to stem from being a fairly inherently loyal person who is self-aware enough of his ability to hurt the people around him (likely due to his dad's behavior) but is too afraid of that possibility so he tries to keep things shallow so it doesn't matter as much when he fails, which as Joyce points out during the Do List chapter, still hurts people. for example, he's extremely committed to his platonic relationship with Danny from the very start of the comic, but for a long time, he doesn't always know how to show it in a healthy way and is therefore occasionally hurtful to Danny as Joe doesn't want to engage in deeper emotions and conversations because he's afraid he'll screw it up. from what we've seen in his relationships with Danny (platonic), Amber (familial), and Joyce (romantic), Joe doesn't let a lot of people in, but when he does commit, he has never been particularly disloyal to them.
cat
2025-06-28 23:13:45 +0000 UTC
Now run home and get your shine box.
Uniquitous
2025-06-28 12:04:33 +0000 UTC
Joe has been guilty of being a horn dog and of being rather disrespectful towards women, but he hasn’t ever been disloyal that I can remember. When he’s with a lady, he’s generally been kind and attentive to her. Yes, outside of Joyce he hasn’t committed to any of them, but who says he has to? He’s now committed to Joyce and hasn’t shown any signs of disloyalty to her. Rachel’s conflating promiscuity with disloyalty. And she’s clearly projecting on him because he’s a convenient villain for her to hate on and make herself feel better. I hope something happens to make me like her eventually because right now she’s one of my least favorite type of people.