Season 5, Ep 15

Hmm, I just noticed this may be the first (or only) time we see Buffy in a big sandbox (when she's sitting with April on the swings) since Restless. I wonder if there's any connection...

RNR

I recently learned that the part of the robot was originally intended to be played by Brittany Spears- how amazing would that have been? She wanted to do it but (understandably) they just couldn't squeeze it into her schedule.

StephanieB

That's probably because you're an Australian and on a higher plane than us Americans. ;^) However, as evidenced by Justice (barf) Kavanagh, for a subset of men, they thought women were there to be used. I'm sure there's plenty of sexism on both continents to go around, but it seems in the USA, there's more of that here than in most western countries. We've never had a female president after all. I think this episode is a criticism of that attitude, unlike many poplar movies of the day which glorified it, i.e. 16 Candles, Animal House, etc. Those movies played it for a laugh, and in doing so normalized it to an extent. That's my opinion anyway.

Sika6061

Have fun in Egypt. Check out the Pyramids and Sphinx, take plenty of photos. Fill us all in when you return.

Shaun Houghton

Yeahhh have fun pacing with this one!

Uh-oh. Here we go!

Scott Andrews

Yep, they dated from 2002 until 2009 and remain good friends to this day. By all reports the guy who played Warren is a really nice guy in real life as well, and him and Amber did make a cute looking couple when they were together.

Claire Eyles

I'm old enough to have seen movies like Revenge of the Nerds and Porky's when they first came out, and nobody I knew of back then thought it was okay to do any of the sexist things they did in those films under the guise of nerds deserve love too. We laughed at those films, because they were films and they were silly, but we didn't translate a film into real life. And it wasn't an age or gender specific thing either; it didn't seem to matter how old someone was, or what their gender identity was, the majority of us seemed to just get that stuff that was funny in a movie was still totally not okay to do in real life. Maybe it's a cultural difference thing (I'm Australian), but I always find it a little strange when people talk as if folks needed a few years to realise what those sorts of films were really saying, when it was already pretty obvious to us and not something to emulate out in the real world. Kind of like how we cheered when there was a wicked good kill in something like the Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street series, without then thinking it was okay to don a hockey mask and a glove of knives and go out slaughtering people. I do agree movies like Revenge of the Nerds were problematic with some of their underlying themes, but it's not like we didn't recognise that back in the 80s. Heck I knew some much older hardcore feminists back then who would laugh at the films & then promptly turn around and discuss the wrongness of them as it pertained to real world situations. In the area I grew up in there was a good chance you would've gotten yourself knocked into next week if you tried to pull any of the overtly pervy or r**e-y stuff that was in movies like those. We did differentiate between movie fantasy land & real life.

Claire Eyles

Thanks! Corrected!

Andrew Pulrang

"Intel" phenomenon. I guess April's OS needed something to run on. ;-)

Thom Purdy

I can't recall if this episode was ahead of it's time by identifying the "incel" phenomenon, (though without the specific name for it) -- or if it was behind the curve in being as sympathetic as they were, at least at first, to Warren's guessed at situation. It feels like a kind of artifact of the transition between the "Revenge Of The Nerds" era, when it was supposed to be insightful and even compassionate to realize that "nerds need love too," and the time when it dawned on people that a substantial subset of those nerds were using their supposed social rejection as an excuse to behave like entitled, sexist assholes.

Andrew Pulrang

Such a fun episode. For the most part. And yes. Let's never talk about Wilson again.

Harriet Loughnan

I had been hitting refresh on this page for ages.

Conor

Ohhh Darcie the next ep is amazing! But yeah i guess you'll be pacing constantly over this one!

Rhi

I watched another reactor who said the actors for Tara and warren used to date and now I can’t stop thinking about it 😂

Sarah

It's what we do. 😁👍

palisade

Beat me to it!

Ben

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palisade

Been waiting for this!!

Allan