Snowfall Discussion
Added 2023-12-01 03:12:24 +0000 UTCOkay I've never done this but we need to have this talk lmao. Some of yall claim Franklin does not care about Louie AT ALL, and Im curious as to how when the show is telling you otherwise lol. Snowfall is a show that respects your intelligence. We know Franklin is a very prideful person so what makes yall think he would admit to Louie he still cared about her at the funeral? Also Louie asked him that question to confirm what she already knew deep down which is also part of why she went through with helping him. Then we had the scene of Franklin hyping Louie up to hit him harder to help her take her frustrations out cause he feels partial to blame for Jerome. YES, they was gonna beat him up anyway but if there was no deeper meaning to that scene they woulda off screened it n went straight to the drop off. That whole thing was emotional! Nothing is black and white, these are humans with human emotions and THEY FAMILY!! Thats why this show is so good, there's LAYERS!
Curious to see what yall think
Comments
late comment, but you could also make the argument that he went back for her because of his love for jerome. I think that is far more likely.
Marcopopo350
2024-05-03 02:47:40 +0000 UTCThat Doubletree hotel only got rebranded to a double tree in 2012. so it is an inaccuracy.
Wizkid94
2023-12-10 16:35:24 +0000 UTCI could be wrong but and for many rape is another level than murder. Im sure Franklin could murder Julia(Teddy baby momma) without issue but could he just as casually drop her to get gangraped? While I cant say it would be impossible my impression is that it would be a much harder decision to make. Or to make an example of something that happened in the show Leon was deeply affected by killing a kid. He didnt have any personal care for the kid but hurting a helpless child was the kind of terrible action he didnt want to inflict regardless. I imagine gangraping as something similar for Franklin. its not about personal connection that victim but the kind of terrible acts you are confortable doing.
Doby Greg
2023-12-06 07:07:51 +0000 UTCWhen are they uploading snowfall? I didn’t see the calender for this week so I’m assuming it’s the same as last week
acooliemoore
2023-12-05 23:11:00 +0000 UTCYeah it's depressing how the majority of their content is anime. Snowfall is the only reason I subbed to Patreon actually, peak TV despite some writing issues. I'd really love to see them watch Mr. Robot.
Ant
2023-12-05 21:14:04 +0000 UTCI dont know how confortable franklin would be about about letting someone get gangraped. Also Louie is uncle's wife. He knows Jerome learning his wifegot gangraped would destroy him. He helped Wanda plenty because he cares for Leon. Im sure not having Jerome deal with his wife dying one of the worst death is motivation enough.
Doby Greg
2023-12-05 15:06:45 +0000 UTCIf people think Franklin doesn’t care about Louie then why would he go back with Jerome to save her from Kane.
Jaren Kelly
2023-12-05 13:03:22 +0000 UTCHe can insult Louie and still hold love for her, they’re still family so of course there’s gonna be some emotion left for each other
Daniel
2023-12-04 18:51:44 +0000 UTCFacts man, i never would've watched snowfall if it wasn't for roshi and the gang. hell throw peaky blinders in there too. 2 of the best shows i've watched because of this patreon.
darnay mayberry
2023-12-04 05:11:55 +0000 UTCI put it in the comment above that "He obviously cares for her to some extent, or he wouldn't have come back for her." Doesn't negate the fact that he was willing to set her up and have her (quickly) killed. If Kane would've just called him and said, "it's done" i think he MIGHT'VE been upset, MAYBE shed a quick tear, but THAT'S IT. He would've moved right along to trying to get his money back.
darnay mayberry
2023-12-04 05:07:56 +0000 UTChow much do you really care about someone if you are willing to PUT YOUR OWN LIFE AT RISK TO SAVE HER?
GrandNubian
2023-12-04 04:58:10 +0000 UTCwhy did he risk HIS OWN LIFE to save her? he could have just told Jerome where she was and left it at that
GrandNubian
2023-12-04 04:57:24 +0000 UTCthen why do you think he would care about Louie getting r*aped if you don't think he'd feel particularly bad about her getting executed? if he doesn't care about her at all, what's the difference from his perspective?
GrandNubian
2023-12-04 04:56:41 +0000 UTCThese people who keep recomending Just bum fuck disposable seasonal anime ONLY. Need to watch the snowfall reactions and see Real discussion and hype engagement.. the live action show videos are Always peak
Amity☆Blight
2023-12-03 16:25:15 +0000 UTCUhm what happened to all the reactions????
Jose Angel Martinez
2023-12-03 12:53:33 +0000 UTCI dont think if he Louie was executed that day (instead of potential gangrape) he would have feel particarily bad.It would have been the price of doing business and he would feel bad for Jerome but move on. Im not saying he wouldnt feel anything at all ( he known her for over 10 years) but I dont think that little piece left is big enough to be called family love. its not what he has for Leon or Jerome or Veronique. Once she fucked him with Teddy and then refused to help and all the time she kept trying to break away from him. she became his uncle wife more than his auntie. I think that this point her connection to Louie is mostly honoring Jerome's memory and having a common past. He loved his uncle and feel bad they ended on bad terms and he brought him to the shoutout where he died. And all he can do now for his uncle is try to do things right with the woman he loved enough to start a war with family
Doby Greg
2023-12-03 03:44:08 +0000 UTCBro Jerome smacked the shit out of Franklin because he called Louie a bitch and "that trick he married". He don't give a damn bout her
KingTempest
2023-12-02 20:25:44 +0000 UTCAt the end of the day, it's complicated We can go on and on about the proper way of showing affection, but we as humans are not always so cut and dry. I'll give you a somewhat trivial but maybe relatable example. I love my family. There isn't much I wouldn't do for them. That being said, I barely reach out to them, particularly relatives outside of my immediate family. Right before I left for Japan, my uncle died. I didn't think it would affect me much because we weren't super close, but it was the first time someone I had known for so long died. I ended up being afraid of receiving phone calls from my family because I was the one who called my brother to tell him about what happened. And the longer I didn't call my family the more I felt like they didn't want to hear from me because I left so soon after the fact. But deep down I knew that they wanted to hear from me, that they just wanted to hear my voice and know I'm okay (because I barely use social media). Why is it that I can't regularly check in on my family when I have the time to? It feels so weird to me that despite my love for them I couldn't even offer them that much. It was because of fear. Fear is so toxic it'll make you think and do things that on paper don't even make sense. But it still affects you. Once again, this example isn't on par with what's gone on in Snowfall, but it's to show that things are complicated. Emotions like fear and pride can hide a lot of the things you really feel.
Thulani Mason
2023-12-02 07:46:48 +0000 UTCYeah ofc he used Louie to get his money back but that was after he rescued Louie and new info came up to make it harder to get to teddy. During her abduction he already had Oso so he technically didn’t need Louie at the time so that isn’t rlly an excuse for why he saved her
acooliemoore
2023-12-02 02:55:30 +0000 UTCHow much do you really care about someone if you are willing to set them up and be killed. The only 2 reasons, IMO, he had some sort of "change of heart" is because was going to do some messed up shit to her and she said she would help him get to Teddy.
darnay mayberry
2023-12-02 02:55:02 +0000 UTCTrue, but he also cares about getting his money back more than Louie. Louie being alive helps him to his end goal, which was to set up Teddy.
darnay mayberry
2023-12-02 02:51:28 +0000 UTCLove is a strong word
darnay mayberry
2023-12-02 02:49:59 +0000 UTCHe obviously cares for her to some extent, or he wouldn't have come back for her when Kane had her. Or maybe, he did that for Jerome, IDK. What I do know, which is the driving force of this final season, is that he wants his money and Louie being alive helps him getting closer to Teddy.
darnay mayberry
2023-12-02 02:49:02 +0000 UTChi, i'm stupid dumb dumb lol.
darnay mayberry
2023-12-02 02:45:14 +0000 UTCQuick side note, if ya’ll haven’t seen Durarara give it a watch in your free time, doesn’t have to be a reaction I highly recommend it to ya
Offw0rlder
2023-12-02 01:06:32 +0000 UTCYou got that, I was talking about in general how sometimes his greed outweighs most of his feelings towards the people he cares for but in this instance it was more about getting even with Louie for what she did
Devin B
2023-12-01 23:27:14 +0000 UTCAnyone that believe Franklin dont care about Louie is stupid dumb dumb 💀💀😭
Malik Allen
2023-12-01 22:54:59 +0000 UTCDefinitely understand what you're saying and agree with the human part because human beings aren't one dimensional we're complicated to say the least. Franklin would have to be a sociopath to completely not give a damn about Louie. At the same time I really don't think he cares for her that much is what I'm saying like she isn't a priority. Let's say something goes horribly wrong in these last two episodes and Leon Cissy Veronique and Louie are in danger family or not I don't believe Franklin would help her like he would the others. Maybe if I put it like this if Franklin could get his money back by killing Louie he wouldn't hesitate but with everyone else he most likely wouldn't even consider it. Yes he cares deep down but it's really really really really really deep down. He knew she was the one piloting the ship in Jerome and Louie relationship he said so at the restaurant with Jerome he understands Louie is one of the main reasons everyone in this mess his dad too but Louie played a significant part Teddy was probably always going to do him dirty but Louie drove the bus into the ravine. To sum everything up I'm just saying ain't no love lost between them Louie had it correct Franklin the king Demon 😈. It's just like the situation in the previous season with the shop owners he told Louie what she wanted to hear at the funeral and kept it pushing he also let her wail on him to her heart's content to let her vent her frustration that way he trying to secure her not stabbing him in the back which she easily could've everything is a chess move with Franklin I respect that and you better believe while those were emotionally charged moments this man is Lelouch maybe not Lelouch but you get what I'm saying. Snowfall is 100% a show that respects your intelligence that's why I believe when Franklin is angry as hell that is when the true him steps into the light.
Leo
2023-12-01 22:25:14 +0000 UTCYou are 1000% right my guy
Amos
2023-12-01 18:18:17 +0000 UTCThis comment, this comment summarizes everything. THANK YOU
Calamiti (Bleu)
2023-12-01 17:33:42 +0000 UTCSnowfall is gas because of how muddy all the characters are, I used to respect Teddy too and just saw him as misguided, but he got really foul here at the end. Amped to see y’all’s opinions on the ending
Prinnigan
2023-12-01 16:35:44 +0000 UTC"his greed outweighed what he felt towards Louie" nigga huh? That's dead-ass not what happened. Yall gotta stop running with this greed narrative. She went behind his back and took the plug and expansion plan, then when Franklin got robbed, he asked her just for a phone call, and she said no. Then he robbed her (which is fair) then they went to war. this is not greed right here.
Yoxxhio
2023-12-01 15:54:29 +0000 UTCseems like u ain been payin attention ngl. teddy has always been the big bad. thought this was obvious
Yoxxhio
2023-12-01 15:51:21 +0000 UTCFranklin definitely still cares for Louie!
Ser Arthur Dayne
2023-12-01 15:42:33 +0000 UTCI can’t lie fuck the schedule can we have the finale double header tomorrow pls😭😭😭😭
C Miller
2023-12-01 13:08:32 +0000 UTCI wasn’t saying that teddy wasn’t destroying the community. I’m just saying that between the two of them I could trust teddy more than Franklin and won’t have to worry about getting betrayed at a certain point. When the war is over that’s when maybe teddy will betray me but that’s way better than the fuckery Franklin got going on. And teddy didn’t necessarily force Franklin, sure maybe later down the line maybe but wasn’t Franklin the one begging to meet teddy so he can start doing the cocaine business on a higher level
Legendary AB
2023-12-01 12:48:36 +0000 UTCthis is true
RH
2023-12-01 12:12:10 +0000 UTCWhole show is about shades of grey. People are not all the way good or all the way bad in a criminal market they are victims of circumstance. There are no big bad or big good. It's the drug game, you'll talk about it like its a barney show. Of course, we all want to see franklin win (because most of us can relate to him coming from a certain background), I want to too but let's not paint a picture of franklin as the big good and teddy the big bad. Franklin doesn't care about Louie like that he wants his money. Question if he had access to teddy do you think he still let Louie beat him up?. Of course he has some care who wouldn't with a family member but he doesn't care that much anymore, that's why he shrugged his shoulders. The show is telling the length in which franklin wants his money not for just the money to get out but to justify all his sins to himself.
Mercury80
2023-12-01 12:01:50 +0000 UTCPeople aren’t the brightest sadly
Fizzy
2023-12-01 11:24:52 +0000 UTCSo is Teddy so your literally making no sense lol you forgetting Teddy literally forced Franklin to do businesss right????
Fizzy
2023-12-01 11:23:36 +0000 UTCOng if Franklin didn’t care bout Louie he would of left her ass 😭😭😭😭😭
Fizzy
2023-12-01 11:22:20 +0000 UTCDanger tomato is literally just a contrarian. Most of his comments in this Patreon are him calling shit mid or wack for BS reasons.
PetersThimble
2023-12-01 10:25:43 +0000 UTCI have to respectfully disagree about the ending. I feel this show had one of the better endings for usually of this type then the usual bullshit. Actually surprised me how things went down.
Marcopopo350
2023-12-01 09:06:47 +0000 UTCThe only dumbasses are the ones that cant let others have there own interpretations. Its going be crazy when niggas revisit this discussion after they finished the damn show smh
Marcopopo350
2023-12-01 08:49:49 +0000 UTCI mean did we watch the same show? Cause Louie for sure does not love this nigga franklin no more lol She definitely hate his ass.
Marcopopo350
2023-12-01 08:47:25 +0000 UTC@Malaika bruh the self deprecation is crazy lol The way I rank niggas by there intelligence, dumbest to smartest. Youtube niggas Discord niggas Patreon niggas
Marcopopo350
2023-12-01 08:44:40 +0000 UTC@sun That would make you a dumb nigga technically as well tho lol
Marcopopo350
2023-12-01 08:42:43 +0000 UTC@Panashe Chibanda exactly he caused his little brother death and I agree with you if plan to steal from him at least kill him or otherwise a drug kingpin ain’t gonna let that slide after taking his money especially after threatening you and your loved ones lives you just shrug that off WTF is wrong with you teddy still had louie to make him money he did not need Franklin money for that pointless war that no one gives a shit about from the cia and he’s destroying his own country with drugs for a another country conflict when in actual you should prioritize your country first and protect it from being harm but he’s doing the opposite even Julia (his ex wife) pointed that out on how crazy and messed up that shit is of smuggling drugs into his own country with drugs and destroying communities by bringing cocaine into the country he just cares about trying being a hero and getting praised from his own people from the cia
Franklin Saint
2023-12-01 08:18:57 +0000 UTCS4 is fucking comedy too bro 💀
Art of Trolling
2023-12-01 08:18:22 +0000 UTCYou're right, it's almost like the people in these comments forgot the Saint family is a murderous drug-dealing organization first and foremost. The free ice cream was a looooong time ago.
Ephraim
2023-12-01 08:11:27 +0000 UTCTrue but he killed Kevin by accident he was only trying shooting him non lethal for him to not die (but that backfired)
Franklin Saint
2023-12-01 07:56:01 +0000 UTCFranklin is also killing the community so you can’t use that argument
Legendary AB
2023-12-01 07:54:19 +0000 UTCYes Teddy is bad, Franklin brought crack into the community, Leon raised himself up then got self righteous, so on...every character did things then turned. Hell, Skully was just crazy dealer, now he's the moral center for the show. I'm just saying that Teddy's turn into sad evil guy is just kinda disappointing.
Huemon Nottabear
2023-12-01 07:50:01 +0000 UTC@DJ Muldrow Nah fr I look out for my people 😒
Franklin Saint
2023-12-01 07:47:04 +0000 UTCYea he’s the boss of Franklin and everyone else besides the cia are his subordinates and besides Franklin teddy is the root of all Evil in this show he always been the main villain and antagonist of the show
Franklin Saint
2023-12-01 07:45:57 +0000 UTCIt’s projection the audience is still hurt Franklin definitely cares for Louie. Just like he cared for Jerome even tho they was beefing. That shouldn’t even be up for debate if they watched these 6 seasons.
Cam Kaneki
2023-12-01 07:44:48 +0000 UTCLmaooooo
Franklin Saint
2023-12-01 07:37:59 +0000 UTCSee roshi understand 😩
Franklin Saint
2023-12-01 07:37:07 +0000 UTCdamn.. the feels got this man in rant mode. Show hittin
Godrick
2023-12-01 07:23:50 +0000 UTCthis is how you use patreon's community feature. I think this is awesome.
Orendi
2023-12-01 07:22:40 +0000 UTClets have this discussion on a live stream instead roshi
dom
2023-12-01 07:18:50 +0000 UTCThat’s how you know they did a good job writing this show, the scene where Kane is telling Franklin how they’re gonna treat Louie, he already was gonna help her. They muddied this and confused most of you niggas by making Louie beg for her life and promise on giving Franklin info on teddy.
DJ Muldrow
2023-12-01 07:10:57 +0000 UTCI think some people are saying "Franklin didn't like Louie" is because THEY don't like Louie. Projection
J Man
2023-12-01 07:08:31 +0000 UTCSiding with the government agent that’s ready to kill a community to fund a war?? You’re wild buddy
DJ Muldrow
2023-12-01 07:07:00 +0000 UTCThey’ve shown from the beginning how bad teddy is, he did this whole op to prove something to his father, he killed his partner because he couldn’t handle the job he signed up for. He dragged his brother into it without telling him the consequences, teddy ran into and kidnapped Franklin on their first meeting to force a partnership. TEDDY IS THE BIG BAD nigga
DJ Muldrow
2023-12-01 07:04:58 +0000 UTCTrue!
Maud
2023-12-01 06:44:12 +0000 UTCWhy?
SenseiDbo
2023-12-01 06:30:41 +0000 UTCAre some of y’all even watching the show…if Franklin didn’t care about Louie he wouldn’t have went back
acooliemoore
2023-12-01 06:21:53 +0000 UTCi thought it was pretty obvious franklin still had love for her, they showed it so many times throughout the show i dont understand how people could think otherwise
Fuji
2023-12-01 06:12:38 +0000 UTCPeople need to understand that there are levels to a person's feelings. Franklin cares about the people close to him but his goal is to make his bag and upgrade his lifestyle. Louie helped him at the very beginning with that goal so of course he's going to care for her but with all the things he did to reach that goal and with Louie going against him his greed outweighed what he felt towards Louie but deep down he still have those feelings for her.
Devin B
2023-12-01 06:00:49 +0000 UTCAnyone who thinks Franklin had no love for Louie must be on the rock theirselves.
Cam
2023-12-01 05:41:47 +0000 UTCFranklin cares for Louie on some level, he just cares more about himself. My problem is that they're making Teddy the "big bad". The show was all shades of grey and w/e. But now they just making Teddy all the way bad, and everyone fighting Teddy is good.
Huemon Nottabear
2023-12-01 05:37:09 +0000 UTCLouie and Franklin are parallel to each other. They both have high ambition. Remember, it’s Louie that showed Franklin the way from the very beginning. They were too ambitious for each other. Franklin wanted to keep control, Louie wanted to have more control, and that just pushed them away like opposing magnets.
nickhaze
2023-12-01 05:28:38 +0000 UTCNothing but a post about snowfall I say my opinion about snowfall. They all deserve to die
Whatever
2023-12-01 05:26:38 +0000 UTCMe personally even though teddy is “racist” I would rather side with him than Franklin.
Legendary AB
2023-12-01 05:23:17 +0000 UTCOk cool but what does that have to do with how Franklin feels about Louie?
Dark Danny
2023-12-01 05:18:58 +0000 UTCThe fact that Roshi has never done this before shows that he fucks with this show heavy lol. Anyway, I agree with what he said. People don’t know how to read between the lines, which is also related to Teddy’s racism. Just because someone isn’t shouting a slur overtly doesn’t mean it’s not there. Racism more often than not, is hella subtle.
Paul Reyes
2023-12-01 05:14:58 +0000 UTCthats one of the reasons why i said he didnt really care. Franklin is willing to kill whoever if they mess up what he got going on
Dark Danny
2023-12-01 05:13:35 +0000 UTCIt’s only gonna get worse when they get to the finale next week 😂
Paul Reyes
2023-12-01 05:07:34 +0000 UTCTbh in the end it’s not that they did t care about each other she just had a own agenda from start even claudia said so , man boy warned him she betrayed him and he trusted her he always left her to Take care of things and keep niggas in line and she went behind he’s back and fucked everything up
Candy
2023-12-01 05:00:02 +0000 UTCA few dull episodes and shit ending
Danger Tomato
2023-12-01 04:53:02 +0000 UTCWhy is it wack??
Kreative
2023-12-01 04:52:32 +0000 UTCIm not part of that group so I would like to see too 👀
Kreative
2023-12-01 04:52:19 +0000 UTCThe show is ok honestly not a 10/10 or even 9/10 especially this season is wack
Danger Tomato
2023-12-01 04:30:37 +0000 UTCYou're not alone LMAO. Like he's never done this before so I'm just reading the comments cause this must be passionate lol.
Hello
2023-12-01 04:29:37 +0000 UTCstupidity comes in many forms
Gary
2023-12-01 04:18:11 +0000 UTCTruth is Franklin only cares about Lou to the extent that she can be useful to him. She wasn't loyal and ruined everything, in his eyes. Right now he is about his money and his unborn child, nothing is coming before that and if he had to sell her out for a second time to get everything back he'd do it in a heartbeat, again.
Ephraim
2023-12-01 04:15:13 +0000 UTCThey have a complicated relationship like a lot of people do with their families. I can’t wait til you guys finish, then there will be a real discussion. I need these last two episodes from y’all like that rock Franklin used to sell lol
Jai
2023-12-01 04:14:28 +0000 UTCMight need to try this show out
Krype
2023-12-01 04:09:01 +0000 UTCbro that is a excellent question! they stopped right before the valentines special😭
Url Robbo
2023-12-01 04:08:39 +0000 UTCDid y’all have this convo about Daenerys? Just wondering….
Sheraya san
2023-12-01 04:08:32 +0000 UTCGo off roshi! Harley Quinn when?
Sheraya san
2023-12-01 04:06:59 +0000 UTC@centipedekid true. Even when he went gloves off he still held back out of love for his family, and it destroyed him mentally. To win he would have needed to be able to kill anyone, his mom, leon, jerome etc. which was a path too dark for even him
Yoxxhio
2023-12-01 04:00:54 +0000 UTCLol Oh Lord not a whole discussion 💀😂but this dope feel like I'm on Reddit or Quora forum Haha. I have to catch up then I'll be back
Elle E.
2023-12-01 04:00:32 +0000 UTCThey care about each other but Louie decided the respect of the streets was more important than her family making it out
CentipedeKid
2023-12-01 03:59:45 +0000 UTCScrew Racist Teddy By The Way!!!
J Man
2023-12-01 03:57:48 +0000 UTCMy issue is he cares to much and it screws him
CentipedeKid
2023-12-01 03:56:49 +0000 UTCTeddys deception upset me the most, purely because it added unnecessary conflict. I can understand Louie wanting to be respected as a woman. I can understand Leon beefing with someone and feeling like Franklin didn’t have his back. Or Khadejah wanting payback for her daughter. Or Andre wanting to stop a criminal. But Teddys reasoning makes zero sense. He put his whole family in danger just to rub elbows with the CIA??? I can understand that his father abused him growing up and made him feel worthless so he feels as though he needs to “fight for his country! And MURICA!” since his dad was a veteran but its still a weak reasoning. If you were going to steal Franklin’s money at least have a plan to kill him.
Panashe Chibanda
2023-12-01 03:55:58 +0000 UTCFranklin definitely cares about Louie he’s given her too many chances not to, from leaving his side in the business to going behind his back to teddy to establish a deal & taking every territory Franklin established in LA to sell on. Franklin said it best “it’s just business when I’m gettin fucked but when you are it’s not fair” Franklin gave her enough rope to hang herself & caught her each time the consequences were about to get dire before and after the war between them started; Franklin has his faults e.g betraying the book store owners but he would never do that to his family, had Louie & Jerome stayed with Franklin in the business they’d be formidable enough to take on anybody, & when Franklin eventually left the game to raise his kid he’d have given the keys to the crack kingdom to Louie anyway…but she’s too greedy & impatient
Fred_D3
2023-12-01 03:55:36 +0000 UTCWhere would he get one? He's not like that fr Koko might have been about to get him one before he left the gang but that's about it. He doesn't have a gun plug.
CentipedeKid
2023-12-01 03:55:05 +0000 UTCGood point ☝️
J Man
2023-12-01 03:53:15 +0000 UTCOkay since it's your first time doing this why don't you release episode 9 tomorrow you know you itching to see what happens next🙂
Derrick Johnson
2023-12-01 03:52:55 +0000 UTCOf course he cares for her he wouldn't have come back if he didn't. Also keep in mind by coming back he in essence dissolved his partnership at a time when he was desperate for the money. Having said that, It wasn't Jerome and Louie's fault that Teddy stole his money so Franklyn was totally wrong for stealing from his family for it. and i dont buy that he did it bc they didn't agree to setup teddy. and What were they supposed to do agree to a lose-lose situation One of two things would've happened if they agreed. Either Teddy would've sussed out the trap and killed all of them (most likely) or they would've killed Teddy and have to go on the run bc the entire CIA would've been after them. so in effect Louie is not entirely wrong when she says he collapse it's his fault. In the end CECE is right they all have a part in it
juan vargas
2023-12-01 03:52:47 +0000 UTCI swear yall be so slow. Everyone in the show should be humanized. Are you watching with ur eyes closed??
Yoxxhio
2023-12-01 03:51:55 +0000 UTCI agree Franklin has done more then he should have for a lot of people and they keep trying to screw him over. He's been upfront with what he's willing to do every step of the way yet everyone acts surprised. The biggest person to screw with him is Teddy. Teddy has always known what Franklin wanted and what he was willing to do and he still tried him. He gave him so many chances to make things right but he was too stubborn to yield. At a certain point in the show I gave up on everyone that wasn't Franklin, Jerome, Scully and Leon. I gave up on everyone else.
CentipedeKid
2023-12-01 03:49:57 +0000 UTCI can tell you dumb based off the first point. That couple was losing their store regardless, franklin essentially took it but he left them money they otherwise wouldnt have. Also ur listing bad things he has done why? We all know he is a bad guy just like every person in the show. are you trying to say because of these things he doesnt care about louie? Everyone in this show is fucked up. You typed all that nonsense for nothing
Yoxxhio
2023-12-01 03:48:35 +0000 UTCYou said it all you sexy mofo you rocking them fly new locs mm mmm. But off the thirsting lol franklin is very prideful and hides his tender side. Its weakness in his business. Plus, he is a narcissist so he always puts himself first. Doesn't mean he doesnt love her just means he loves himself more. And maybe love is too strong of a word but he definitely cares for her just like he cares for jerome despite all the ugliness they went through
rickie woodson
2023-12-01 03:48:28 +0000 UTCTo me it was obvious, especially after what Kane pulled that Franklin wasn't gonna let that fly. Not only was Franklin not gonna let her die like that but it was also because Kane switched as well. All in all Franklin does care about Louie since she was a day one with him, they only started beefing due to Louie's greed and arrogant about wanting more instead of settling for what she already had. Even Louie acknowledge she was at fault for the shitshow that went down but not openly. At the end of the day, Franklin cares for his aunt, he just doesn't want to show it.
Garion pope
2023-12-01 03:47:17 +0000 UTCFranklin of course cares about Louie. People saying he doesnt care about Louie at all are conflating caring with prioritizing what's most important to him. Louie messed with his business and ability to provide for his family while simultaneously refusing to help him at a point in which Franklin had put all of them on which is where the animosity came in. At a base level though Franklin cares for her, if for no other reason than that's who Jerome chose to die for and he obviously cared about him. Franklin literally killed his friend Rob, we know he cared about him. He killed Kev, we know he cared about him. He cares about these people, but not more than he cares about himself.
suzukiri
2023-12-01 03:45:03 +0000 UTCWithout spoiling. If someone does what they do it doesn't matter the reason because the consequence affects more than themselves
Whatever
2023-12-01 03:43:29 +0000 UTCIt's just like the scene with Jerome in the diner, Franklin will showboat, but he won't kill or disrespect family in the end
J Man
2023-12-01 03:42:46 +0000 UTCI have not watched this show at all but I love that there’s this much debate 😂
Sugoi_Boi__
2023-12-01 03:41:56 +0000 UTCFranklin cares about her 100% he's prideful, angry at her and hurt by what she done. She helped him get started she even gave him some game early on. The greed got in between them and power too. There is so many layers to their relationship it's an auntie/nephew relationship and big sister/ lil brother relationship too that we see in the earlier seasons.
Leon
2023-12-01 03:41:49 +0000 UTCI believe that Franklin does care about family, but when it came down to finances and not taken care of responsibilities, it can make you become a demon, let alone being paranoid on a daily. I believe no one is perfect (not even myself), but I believe Franklin was on a mission to get back what was his even by any means necessary. Lets not forget before Jerome was killed by Kane, he was more of the muscle for Louie and she was more of the underclass no matter how much she wanted to compete.
Dominique Stallworth
2023-12-01 03:40:34 +0000 UTCI think some people are just missing the point that these characters went through character development frl
Ronardom Variation
2023-12-01 03:37:55 +0000 UTCMann it’s crazy that there is a need to discuss this 😂😂
Daeshon Randell
2023-12-01 03:37:06 +0000 UTCIm seeing a few too many Teddy defenders in that episodes comments. Yall need to kkkalm down
Yoxxhio
2023-12-01 03:36:34 +0000 UTCFranklin definitely still cares for Louie. That’s his aunt man plus he’s always talked about family. Louie was the one that did Franklin wrong by wanting too much which got Jerome killed. Plus Franklin was definitely letting Louie hit him as hard as she wanted cause he knew she had to get that out. Plus I think he wanted to get hit and feel pain after all he’s been through and losing his uncle.
Jrock
2023-12-01 03:33:59 +0000 UTCThe people who claim “Franklin is greedy and only cares about the money” aren’t paying attention. It’s clear Franklin went head first into the business to provide for himself and his people, that’s always been the plan. The issue is his people got greedy. Leon couldn’t just be the second man in charge. Louie couldn’t just play her role. Once they got a taste of success, they all wanted to become their own boss while leaving Franklin high and dry at the same time. But when Leon messed up and started a war w/ Manboy and Skully, who was there for him? When Louie got kidnapped, who planned her escape? I understand that everyone is the hero in their story but we need to hold them accountable and stop putting all the blame on Franklin. He gave Kevin multiple chances. He gave Andre a chance to leave town. He gave Kane a chance to work together. He gave Teddy a chance to walk away mutually. He gave Alton a chance to leave town. He gave Diamond and Dallas a job. He gave Khadejah a chance to live. He even gave Avi a loan after he tried to steal from him. I’ll never understand the narrative that Franklin is cold when this 23 year old has been more forgiving and mature than everyone around him. He’s tried giving them multiple outs and their stubbornness got them killed. Manboy said it himself “they’ll all turn on you.” And for the people who claim “Franklin thinks he’s the good guy” no he doesn’t. S5 EP8 prove that. It’s an entire episode where his internal thoughts bled through, making it clear to the audience that he’s been fighting an internal battle regarding whether he’s doing the right thing. These moments pop up multiple times throughout the show. His talk with Andre in the car is one. He’s constantly wondering whether the game is worth it but convinces himself that “it’s for my family” and suppresses those thoughts. If I’m being honest, I don’t think Franklin actually cared about the $73 mil. It’s what that money represented. Witnessing a man be assaulted, losing his best friend, losing a father figure, losing his actual father, going to jail and being beat, losing the love of his life etc. all these events left him with PTSD (something we witness as he’s sleeping) and in the end, it has to have been for something. To go through all that and have nothing to show for it is what’s destroying him the most. From the beginning, had everyone listened to Franklin. Had the corner boys left that corner alone. Had Kevin not chased down the Mexicans. Had Andre left town. Had Leon stuck with Franklin and been cordial with Manboy. Had Louie not sent hitters for Kane. Had Teddy just left Franklin alone. Had Irene just found another story. Had Alton just moved to Cuba with Cissy. So many people would be still be alive with the exception of Manboy who tried to snake Franklin (again, his own fault because he couldn’t play his role).
Panashe Chibanda
2023-12-01 03:33:47 +0000 UTCIdk who’s the dumbass that thinks Franklin doesn’t care bout Louie but maybe they should watch the show again
Wsgyan
2023-12-01 03:33:24 +0000 UTCI agree with ya 100% lol Franklin basically said he respect louie literally
Ronardom Variation
2023-12-01 03:32:39 +0000 UTCOh yeah he definitely cares. He was just as close to Jerome as he was to Louie. Him saving her had nothing to do with her deal to help him get Teddy cause he knew the type of stuff she went through and was uncomfortable with it from the beginning. He didn’t think Kane would go that far and when it came down to it, deal or no deal, Franklin was going to save her anyways.
Gyomei Himejima
2023-12-01 03:32:27 +0000 UTCI think Franklin and Louie had their conflicts, but the scene where Franklin let Louie her frustrations out on him was done so well because it had subtle hints that Franklin truly cared for her. I mean, why else would he encourage her to hit him more and more?
Kumi Chan
2023-12-01 03:32:16 +0000 UTCYapping
Sam Cam
2023-12-01 03:29:21 +0000 UTCI’m just going around and saying shit. Knowing my ass is on season one 💀
Malaika
2023-12-01 03:28:20 +0000 UTCDoes he really care? After this episode it’s safe to assume that Louie at the end of the day is a means to an end. Hypothetically speaking, if the DEA never got clipped and Franklin succeeded in his mission. Do you think he was going to warn Louie? Only reason he didn’t warn her already was because she would run and he wouldn’t be able to get Teddy. The love was there, but he don’t care for her homie
Jazhiel Diaz-Rosa
2023-12-01 03:27:38 +0000 UTCget this man a "true"
crewcrew
2023-12-01 03:27:24 +0000 UTCi mean he thought skully was gonna hit him first, and then he was like oh alright whatever get it over with louie and at the funeral he admitted that he came back because she said he would help him and thats when she said i knew thats the reason, i think yall talked over it a bit and got her response mixed up. Like if franklin never went to see her in the garage with kane she was gonna die and he was going to move on. But yea we should have this type of convo after you finish the last episodes lol
Blue
2023-12-01 03:27:21 +0000 UTCLet’s save this discussion for the end of this series because these last two episodes got me so conflicted on Franklin as a character
Frederick
2023-12-01 03:27:18 +0000 UTCWell that’s sort of insensitive, they’re doing this for a reason. Well at least at the start (I’m still on season one 💀 but shhh)
Malaika
2023-12-01 03:27:15 +0000 UTCWell that doesn’t really dispute what he’s saying, you can care for family and still care about money MORE. Doesn’t mean you still don’t care abt ur family.
Malaika
2023-12-01 03:26:10 +0000 UTCI’d also imagine your family isn’t running a crack empire lol
Marcie
2023-12-01 03:25:26 +0000 UTCThis reminds me of how annoying the discourse got with this show in real time earlier this year 😂
Token
2023-12-01 03:25:21 +0000 UTCI agree, at the funeral he was saying stuff like “it’s a man’s duty to respect women” but that was definitely just him trying to avoid saying that he cares about her. Even though they have beef, deep down they have some semblance of respect for each other. If he truly had no feeling for her whatsoever he just would’ve left her with Kane instead of risking his life to save her.
Kami_Psy
2023-12-01 03:25:08 +0000 UTCHow are people saying he doesn't care? After he left the warehouse he literally pulls his car over to the side of the road and you visibly see him struggling with what they're about to do to her and he proceeds to rally everyone to save her. Even during the wedding scene before Louie kisses Franklin, he literally tells her, "I want to let you know I love you. Always have, since I was a boy".
AllanJ
2023-12-01 03:24:47 +0000 UTCDumber than yt? Impossible. Patreon niggas are the equivalent of blue check mark twitter mfs. Just payin to say dumb shit
Malaika
2023-12-01 03:24:33 +0000 UTCWhy dis a discussion?💀, the scene that tells you he cares is when he went back for her, he dint have to fr.
FACE GAMER
2023-12-01 03:24:29 +0000 UTCFor me I think when he was talking to Louie about why he came back for her. He started talking about him growing up and being taught to respect women, but we’ve never seen that and the show never implied or implemented that. Obviously he doesn’t disrespect women but hopefully you get my point. I just think all that was filler and then she really asked why and then that’s when he brings up that she made him a promise.
Nathan Batiz
2023-12-01 03:24:23 +0000 UTCAlso…..it’s kinda impossible to say he doesn’t care about her when THE WHOLE REASON JEROME EVEN DIED was because Franklin couldn’t go through with Kane’s bullshit and went to tell Jerome what was happening We literally see this nigga go and squash beef and risk his life in order to go save her Franklin’s a monster but he does have small shreds of humanity underneath all those cracks
Oni Legend
2023-12-01 03:23:31 +0000 UTCif people haven’t noticed how prideful franklin has become over the past six seasons then they haven’t been paying attention. he doesn’t need to SAY that he still cares about louie, partly because he still holds a grudge and the other because he’s grown into this cold shell of a person. you can clearly SEE it on his face and on screen through the things he’s done that he still loves and cares for her 😭
sfxyor
2023-12-01 03:23:21 +0000 UTCDid yall watch the last 2 episodes?
Alonte
2023-12-01 03:23:06 +0000 UTCI don’t even think he’d let her die tbh he had to put up that front to let her know she was at his mercy but deep down he definitely wasn’t tryna let her die especially since she was his in into all this drug business to begin with
Artdysmal
2023-12-01 03:22:58 +0000 UTCAlso he wasn’t hyping her up to let her get her frustrations out he asked skully to do it first he said no if u look back but then he used her frustration to his advantage so she will fuck him up more just to make it more realistic to trick teddy
Kk
2023-12-01 03:22:51 +0000 UTCGet it off ya chest big dawg! Turn up that stove 😤 Naw fr tho we need to discuss this Takemichi wit a strap argument that people seem to be having
Offw0rlder
2023-12-01 03:22:28 +0000 UTCI think it’s cool seeing the discussion some interesting takes to say the least 😂
Artdysmal
2023-12-01 03:21:44 +0000 UTCTokyo Revenger Now Snowfall 😂😂
Luhbabytay
2023-12-01 03:21:37 +0000 UTCPeople hate to humanize franklin because he a bad dude and they cant see past that. everyone who does this is a lil slow; but he 100% care about louie and everyone else. Thats what makes going against them so hard. We clearly saw when kane was trying to get at jerome and louie franklin wasnt feelin it 100%. Just unfortunate and sad situations all around. Going back looking at season 1 and then back to season 6 mad depressing ngl. This writing on this show phenomenal
Yoxxhio
2023-12-01 03:21:33 +0000 UTCThis the one!!! The fact that people really think Franklin and Louie don’t give af about each other didn’t watch the show. They both had plenty of times to kill each other, and just suddenly change their minds at the exact moment it’s supposed to happen? Every time? Be fr. They still family, and still have love for each other. That’s just how it goes, they’ve known each other for over 20 years.💯
Eliana
2023-12-01 03:21:30 +0000 UTCI agree with you. Franklin does care, that's why he went back to save her from Kane. He had no reason at all to go back for her. Family can piss you off but you still care.
Alexis Sullivan
2023-12-01 03:21:21 +0000 UTCidk why they think he doesn't you can tell during the scene of her punching him he was emotional.
britt
2023-12-01 03:21:18 +0000 UTCI’m scrolling through these comments giggling and kicking my feet. These essays is somethin 😂
Malaika
2023-12-01 03:21:16 +0000 UTCFranklin still cares about Louie on some level. Otherwise, he wouldn't have told Jerome she was in trouble. Also, there was just no way he was gonna let men r word her. Kill her maybe. But not that.
Futuristic Girl
2023-12-01 03:21:15 +0000 UTCI’m ngl if Franklin didn’t care she would’ve been packed up aWHILE ago
Zen
2023-12-01 03:20:50 +0000 UTCMy bad was trying my best to explain that he doesn’t care about her and if he does it’s very very minimal
Kk
2023-12-01 03:20:34 +0000 UTCMan Roshi you love to argue lol
Kozmo
2023-12-01 03:20:18 +0000 UTCI love the fact that you even had to post this. Ima miss watching this show again.
Omar
2023-12-01 03:20:15 +0000 UTCHe Definitely cares but he wants his money and he has to put on this Attitude that he cares about no one so people can take him seriously!!!
Joshua Fulton
2023-12-01 03:20:14 +0000 UTCI 100% agree that Franklin cares about Louie. At the end of the day, she’s still FAMILY. Going back and watching season 1-4 confirms that they basically thought of each other as blood relatives. This season is all about watching ppl who care about each other tear each other apart because of money and power. That’s what makes this show a tragedy.
Blue
2023-12-01 03:20:08 +0000 UTC“A show that respects your intelligence” Roshi called y’all stupid asf which he ain’t wrong. Y’all patreon niggas are dumb asf, probably even more so than Youtube niggas now.
Sun
2023-12-01 03:20:07 +0000 UTCAgree with everything you said! Franklin def cared for LOUIEEE *Jerome voice*
User100
2023-12-01 03:20:04 +0000 UTCWell you n yo family don’t deal crack I assume. Lots of differences here my friend
Malaika
2023-12-01 03:19:54 +0000 UTCFranklin cares. He cared about Rob. He just cares about his money more and is conflicted in his emotions bc he feels like he's on this mission that only he can complete, a parallel with Teddy imo
Kacey Coins
2023-12-01 03:19:49 +0000 UTCI dont think so if he said he'd kill her 10x over if it meant him getting his money back lol
Marly Mar White
2023-12-01 03:19:47 +0000 UTCIf Franklin didn’t care for her at all he would have left her to that terrible fate and I don’t think she would have done the same for Franklin
General Grevious
2023-12-01 03:19:44 +0000 UTCim weak. roshi said LETS DISCUSS
ok
2023-12-01 03:19:36 +0000 UTCIm surprised people think Franklin doesnt care about Louie, he literally temporarily squashed beef with Jerome to save her😂
jay _
2023-12-01 03:19:35 +0000 UTCHopefully roshi makes it out alive
CRYPTIC _TAGZ
2023-12-01 03:19:21 +0000 UTCIt's obvious Frankiin still cared. If he didn't, he would have let Cain have his way with her and never gotten involved.
DrSCW
2023-12-01 03:19:18 +0000 UTCCareful you’re getting a little spoilery
Malaika
2023-12-01 03:19:07 +0000 UTCFuck snowfall, are yall gonna check out blue eyed samurai? 👀 its style is closely similar to arcane
Kellron C. Taylor
2023-12-01 03:18:54 +0000 UTCTbh you gotta just finish Franklin obviously cares about his family but just like teddy money consumed him yes teddy is more obvious but 2 times out of 3 at the end of the day Franklin is choosing money over family just like teddy he’s not a sico he shows compassion but he cares way more about money
Xavier Coburn
2023-12-01 03:18:52 +0000 UTCOne of the main reasons I subbed is because I disagree with y’all on a lot of things and the discussions in the comments are fun af. This might be the first time I fully agree 100%. No notes.
Mollywopper
2023-12-01 03:18:51 +0000 UTCOh this is something to revisit once y’all finish the series
Carter San
2023-12-01 03:18:49 +0000 UTCOH SHIT LMAO
Delinda Arts
2023-12-01 03:18:36 +0000 UTCI love this kinda shit, this is glorious, the Roshi fans about to rip eachother apart
GigaDirt
2023-12-01 03:18:35 +0000 UTC😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬
LiquidXGravity
2023-12-01 03:18:33 +0000 UTCIn my opinion I don't care for any of them since they are all drug dealers and criminals and murderers. I haven't finished the show but I'm hoping they either all go to prison or die.
Whatever
2023-12-01 03:18:32 +0000 UTCJust watch the next ep, ik yall want to lmao
Daniel
2023-12-01 03:18:30 +0000 UTCCompletely agree with you tbh to say Franklin don’t care bout Louie is a bit ignorant, the woman at the end of the day is his aunt that he’s been known his whole life, regardless of what she’s done to him they both just lost someone close to them and deep down Louie knows she’s partly to blame for Jerome’s death. This is simply two prideful people having to deal with the consequences of their actions
Artdysmal
2023-12-01 03:18:29 +0000 UTCthere’s also this telltale sign of when franklin gets asked a question that he doesn’t want to answer cause he thinks it’s obvious what the answer or whatever is he walks away from that person. he did this w mel when she asked him if he killed her dad.
Castles
2023-12-01 03:18:28 +0000 UTCMan…. Franklin was saying hit me so that she wouldn’t be able to get any satisfaction. That’s why she jumped on him. Even when she has a free shot he is still in her head. I’m not sure if he loves her still or not. In my opinion I don’t think the show wants us to fully know.
Michael Blake
2023-12-01 03:18:28 +0000 UTCI don’t even watch the show but the idea of show discussion posts seems as entertaining as it stressful lol
LemonDrop
2023-12-01 03:18:23 +0000 UTCI won’t say he doesn’t car but his care is small and u gonna see next episode why cuz he fucks her pretty bad but u gonna see how. Him helping her out was more for Jerome than her herself like Franklin would have let them kill her with out hesitation
Kk
2023-12-01 03:18:22 +0000 UTCI totally agree with y'all. If anything, Franklin sees Louie as an extension of his uncle who he loves with all his heart. The "yeah, I'm the devil" thing was more showboat. She his auntie and in the end she's family
J Man
2023-12-01 03:18:19 +0000 UTCchill😂💀
joe
2023-12-01 03:18:17 +0000 UTC😂😂😂
Im high cuzz
2023-12-01 03:18:17 +0000 UTCIt’s gonna get ugly. And quick 🤕
Malaika
2023-12-01 03:18:16 +0000 UTCI agree it’s pretty obvious idky it’s hard to tell for some of you
Kd
2023-12-01 03:18:16 +0000 UTCEgo and Love go hard on this show.
Valdo37
2023-12-01 03:18:03 +0000 UTCI need to hurry and catch up cause I have NO idea what the hell you’re talking about
Malaika
2023-12-01 03:18:00 +0000 UTCI actually agree with this for real
JsemicolonA
2023-12-01 03:18:00 +0000 UTCOh this been itching at ya brain all day you couldn’t hold it in anymore 😂😂
Im high cuzz
2023-12-01 03:18:00 +0000 UTCBlue. Eye. Samurai. Bye. 💓
B
2023-12-01 03:17:58 +0000 UTCI 100% agree
Kryptik _
2023-12-01 03:17:55 +0000 UTCIt's like an onion
Chai
2023-12-01 03:17:50 +0000 UTC👍🏾👍🏾
Expectaytions
2023-12-01 03:17:49 +0000 UTCMe and my family ain’t never shot at each other 😂🤷🏾♂️
Big Daddy Dre
2023-12-01 03:17:45 +0000 UTCa yap session bout to commence
snowwy
2023-12-01 03:17:43 +0000 UTCnigga shut tf up c😭
Cloud Hound
2023-12-01 03:17:42 +0000 UTCaye bruh im not very good at analyzing snowfall characters ima sit back and wait for the niggas that come in with the essays breaking down why they do what they do
Zero _
2023-12-01 03:17:41 +0000 UTCI’m just waiting to read this
Miguel
2023-12-01 03:17:41 +0000 UTCNigga tired of yall💀
Chrishon Burton
2023-12-01 03:17:34 +0000 UTCTeddy is in the right, thats all 🗿🖐️ 🎤
Grelk
2023-12-01 03:17:33 +0000 UTCNever seen roshi do something like this 😂 i thought baki ppl were crazy but snowfall too?
Jay
2023-12-01 03:17:33 +0000 UTCthis topic has gotten so out of hand 💀
Mykai Skinner
2023-12-01 03:17:28 +0000 UTCI’m literally goin to bed, can’t wait to read this in the morning.
Nico
2023-12-01 03:17:28 +0000 UTC🙌🏼 agree
Jorge Viera
2023-12-01 03:17:28 +0000 UTCI haven’t watched the show but y’all should do more community post like this lol
Lash
2023-12-01 03:17:14 +0000 UTCHe def care about her he just not gonna verbally say it 😭
Kingmakaii
2023-12-01 03:17:04 +0000 UTCOh boy this boutta turn into twitter
CRYPTIC _TAGZ
2023-12-01 03:16:59 +0000 UTCi don’t watch this mid ass show (joke) but damn y’all got roshi heated😂😂
joe
2023-12-01 03:16:36 +0000 UTC
