Vinland Saga 2x18

Olmar look like Blake from workaholics

JotaroDrake

You just found out that the one person you trusted after all these years tried to leave you after her ex showed up, then immediately tells you she's pregnant. All it takes is one night bro, and he's been gone for awhile. It's not surprising that he reacted that way.

Jeremiah Neely

Askeladd never hid who he was or pretended to be someone he wasn’t. Meanwhile, Ketil puts on a nice face and looks pretends to care for his people, but at the end of the day, when he’s inconvenienced, how he really feels always comes out: Olmar was is a buffoon, Thorgil is a psychopath, and Arnheid is his “property”.

Victor Grubbs

yo ngl though she shoulda seen that coming after 5 dudes got clapped and she tried to run away with her husband. she's a slave and she's not a farming slave she's a sex slave. I'm not saying its right but I'm saying why was anyone surprised this was coming. even if they told him what actually happened then he still would have beat her. He's a slave owner you think you can buy a persons life and be a great guy? he's an ok dude he lets his slaves buy back their freedom with land he lets them use but in the end he is still a slave owner of course he's a POS. use your brains. out of all the evils in the world being a murderer, a rapist, a pedophile, and a slave owner are all pretty up there for being the worst human to live and slave owner may seem out of place on that list but slave owners normally do all 3 of those previous things, and luckily ketil doesn't do 2/4 so as far as being a slave owner goes he's halfway up there on the nice guy list.

William Morris

That's not right though. Yes ketil had a mental breakdown which led to this but thorfinn basically had a mental breakdown for his whole life. Like literally from 4 to 16 bro was not ok lol. He experienced his father die in front of him at a very young age too. Ketil has had a difficult life as well but comparing it to thorfinns isn't ok. It's different. By like a lot.

Hello

There's a difference here especially from a viewer perspective. Everyone knows askeladd is a terrible person or acts like one for the entirety of his screen time. He himself is aware of that. Ketil does something like this to firstly, a character we as well as the other main characters have connected with making this hit much harder and ketil isn't taking much responsibility for what he had just did vs askeladd who again was terrible but acknowledged that and we had more time to actually connect with a character as bad as askeladd. It's sorta like comparing a likable villain to a much less likable side character. One has done much worse but the other did this to a character the viewers have actually fell in love with making this much harder to digest

Hello

James why do you watch this show if you completely miss the themes? You hate thorfinn too? The point is humanity is flawed. ALL of it.

Brian Estepa

For what exactly, fucking idiot

Candy

its not a spoiler dumbass. literally says it like 3 episodes in. the fact roshi gang forgot is hilarious

Brian Estepa

you're a fucking idiot

Brian Estepa

Thorfinn was not a good person, no. I dont know anyone who would argue against that? 🤨 Lol but of course, people can learn, grow, and change. So what's your point?

britt m

Thorfinn is a worse person then, by your logic. But you won't talk about that.

Brian Estepa

So you can't wait for thorfinn to get his shit rocked too right? Of course nothing justifies Ketils actions in this episode. But yall acting like thorfinn and askeladd werent 10x worse in their actions throughout their lives. How do you watch a show this amazing with such a compelling narrative and COMPLETELY miss the themes of it? Jesus christ

Brian Estepa

@ok Listen, I already said what I had to say about this situation, and I stand on it. I'm allowed to feel the way I feel about Arnheid. As I said, what Ketil did was unnecessary and I don't support it at all. If he was such a nice guy as the show said he was, he could've just talked to her or, even better, let her go free. I do not hate her character either (Even if it seems like it); I liked Arnheid's character. And when I said, "Avoided all this trouble," what I meant was, If I were an enslaved person or in a similar position that Arnheid was in, I'd think to myself, "If I do this and get caught, I'm gonna get punished or worse." And yeah, that was her husband, and she had hope, but to me specifically, the possibility of being punished or killed would 100% outweigh any chance of me escaping. And like I said, this is my opinion, and if you don't like it, I'm sorry to hear that.

HybridEclpse

Yeah, I am trying to remind them, I had written a whole thesis paper for a comment when Roshi and Sheera originally called him a father-figure like 8 episodes ago, lol.

Drake Rage

I agree with the sentiment here. But you have to remember they forgot everything from s1. Like they forgot "Vinland" existed and Roshi thinks Askelad is someone Thorfinn loved and viewed as his main father figure - instead of someone who just had a profound impact on him and with whom he had a very warped relationship. A deluded perception of Askelad to be sure.

ok

who is Gardar? he is not some random fucking guy. he was her HUSBAND and the father of her CHILD from whom she was separated and thrown into state of enslavement. she was constantly raped, and was consequently impregnated. her actual child was killed. and again, she was forcefully separated from her husband. he escapes, FINALLY, comes to save her, and you find it inexplicable how she acted? she could have "avoided all this trouble?" i'm sorry to say from the moment she was enslaved, the trouble was brought and it never ceased. those who enslave deserve nothing short of a brutal death. and we should not expect slaves to lie down and take it at every turn. is a slave a human? or an object?

ok

OMG #prayforketil

ok

guy with extreme autism tries to make a "joke"

ok

This second comment is the heart of the matter. Well said. He is a slave owner. To enslave requires force, it dehumanizes the subject which is thought of as no longer a "subject" but an "object." Ketil owns slaves, exploits them and enjoys the value they generate. Even if he was "nice" to Arnheid, even if he didn't rape her, he is irredeemable.

ok

I agree about the Askelad part but Thorfinn's situation is different. I mean we followed his entire trajectory. He was a child. Does it "excuse" things? I mean no but also ... yes! Before he was a teenager he was immersed in that world, like let's understand how brains work. And now look at him. Again is he "forgiven?" Of course not, he doesn't even forgive himself. Like, he hates himself.

ok

Y'all better hate Askeladd too then, cause he was a 1000 times worse of a human being than Ketil, lmao. This was literally 1 action from Ketil during extreme mental distress, while Askeladd did this to countless villages, entire villages, you bet there were many pregnant women in those villages that he burned down and murdered. (Askeladd and his men literally killed babies ON-SCREEN, if you might have forgotten)

Drake Rage

She selfing as to think there wasent going to be repercussions to her decision no matter what this is based in slavery times you think she was going to do what she did and nothing wasn’t going to be happen, a lot these comments here are saying she didn’t do nothing wrong ok fair enough she choose to be a slave but she was one nonetheless and that meant she was in a position were she had no freedom, especially when kie was into her Man have burn down and killed for less in that so I don’t get what you trying to say she didn’t choose to loose her first kid sound that wasent her fault but people got hand and arms even after those kids stole from he’s farm, you telling she didn’t learn from that if he could do that to a 8/9 10 years old for stealing the fuck did she think was going to happen

Candy

she was selfish cause she said she was pregnant? wait huh? Was that her choice? she's not at fault for everything, she didn't kill those men, her husband came to look for her....he was gonna do damage no matter what. I don't rlly get blaming a pregnant women who been grieving her baby and finally saw her husband after years

Precious

i understand why you mentioned thorfinn...but i thought the people he killed also killed people or am I wrong? Did Thorfinn kill complete innocent people? If not, I'm not sure we can compare like that....cause this is an innocent pregnant women.

Precious

I'm back here just to read the comments 🤣 shit is wild

Smitty Werbenjagermanjensen

a whole slave owner???

Delinda Arts

fuck kettle and his perspective. me and my niggas hate kettle

Delinda Arts

true I just didn't know if that had been stated before, I was more so interested in if I had missed that the first time reading over. And as I'm pretty sure I said I wasn't defending Ketil for anything and I have always thought he was a piece of shit after reading the chapters where he beat arnheid, It's a bit annoying Patreon doesn't give @ notifications, so I only came back here to delete my old comment and attempt to clarify that I wasn't ever defending Ketil after hearing the Intro today

William kimura

Yeah I deleted my comments because I was tired of the whole topic but now I regret it. For some reason I thought that girl was Arnheid and that was may basis for the assumption of consent on her part, and idgaf what anyone thinks I think that is a reasonable opinion if Arnheid had that other girls opinion on having a kid with one of the masters. Without that ofc I completely agree with you, idc if you think I'm backtracking.

szeth

That wasn’t her who slept with Olmar dude that was someone completely different. I forgot to correct you last time

YoungSalsa

Lmao, yall take this shit too serious

YungZeus

@ogking cringe

YungZeus

You should probably go out more…

YungZeus

Neither is this show

YungZeus

I feel like Ketil has a right to be angry, but I do not fuck with what he did to Arnheid in spite of his emotions. Sure he's losing everything in front of him but he decides to beat his pregnant slave because Arnheid tried to "run" away? Ketil is sick and irredeemable.

Kumi Chan

Bro there’s no way you guys are comparing him to thorfinn , thorfinn has Nvr raped or beat up a pregnant woman he was in war strictly , as a slave owner even if he was a “good” one he’s still a slave owner if the bad thing you’ve done outweighs the good your a bad person simple.

Ajwidascope

Too many people crying in these comments

Cjthagreat

I mean, they defend and support a murderer and killer like thorfinn

Isaac Cobbinah

In a world where slaves and wars are as common and not even looked as immoral, and compared to many characters we have seen, he's not the worst we have seen. This guy actually had a mental breakdown that led to his horrible decision, unlike thorfinn who needlessly killed at some point.

Isaac Cobbinah

the guy was always a piece of shit. Thorfinn actually had a ridiculously hard life. This guy didn't, at god damn all. Put this clown through any sort of conflict/struggle and his true pathetic character shows.

danial javady

Patreon sees a rapist and a slave owner: let's defend him (or if you want to be more nuanced the whole point of his character is to show that even a "good" slave owner is morally compromised and only "good" when his life is comfortable and that even if it was a common practice at the time owning slaves was still bad!)

DestructoDiscman

He was never good... you might think he's good because of the deal he had with einar and thorfinn... But what about arnheid? oh wait she's his favorite so he can't let her go. Also if you didn't know she's literally a sex slave and definitely is when u see arnheid being pregnant

ogking31

Why? Thorfinns actions have nothing to do with Ketil I like Thorfinn, and I think he was a victim. With that being said, if he got killed by someone or if, for example, Einar killed him in his sleep I would feel bad for Thorfinn because I do still view him as a child and I sympathize with his character and circumstances. But that would just be karma. I like him, but that doesn't negate the fact that he is a serial murderer lol. I can want the best for him while also recognizing that he has done fucked up things and if nothing good ever happened to him ever again it would be only a sliver of justice for the lives he took. Same thing with Ketil, I never "liked" his character or found him endearing. He may not have been as gruesome as the other slave owners, but there's no such thing as a benevolent slave owner/rapist. Sure it's up to you to like/dislike his character but to make excuses for his behavior is weird as hell. There's no justifying or trying to absolve his behavior, period.

Zazies Beret

So I'm incapable of appreciating nuance in the same way that you are as a human existing on this earth at the same time? I can be aware of everything you said, what I've said should be irrelevant of time or age. If you've both had and lost a child then maybe you could appreciate the at times overprotective maternal and paternal instincts, it's just human. Perhaps you don't and can't, either way regardless of the likelihood of it working you're saying that she should have sat there and waited to get battered? You're acting as though slaves can't beg. And yes I'm saying she should have begged while pleading her case, at least if she wanted to protect her child. And however you feel about Ketil shouldn't make you disregard the facts. Ketil adored Arnheid, she could've had the chance to say her piece if she didn't effectively ignore him is all I'm saying. Plus like I said before, she's just stupid. Even if he did listen who would believe 'I tried to run away with my unborn child and my hubby, hubby's dead now but please take care of our new baby!' 🤦🏾‍♂️

Kinsmoke William

How do u feel about thorfinn then?

Isaac Cobbinah

And thorfinn killed countless innocent people and yet here we are

Isaac Cobbinah

I agree with you, Thorfinn gets a lot of leeway because we are so attached to him and we've "understood" why he did the things he did. It will be harder for people to empathize with the slave owner who almost killed his slave and baby.

Abdullah Alshaikh

God is not real and neither is morality

Dry Lyo

Its crazy how one terrible day can make everyone look at you differently, before all of this, wasnt he a "good master". Even this behavior is out of character for him. what he did was fucked up, but i dont know if im ready to throw away this character. What Ketil did is 1 drop in the ocean compared to some of the shit thorfinn did

Isaac Cobbinah

from his perspective, he about to lose everything and they told him the one person he trusted tried to escape from him, is it that surprising that he would react this way?

Isaac Cobbinah

and Answering to Ale yes I understand. but he didn't care that much for those 2, and he had to keep his promise with Leith. but since the beginning we know that he'd never let Arnheid free. because she is his fuck Slave. and he is emotionally dependent. and possessive. and he is not in his right mind at the moment. so he felt betrayed, and frustrated, and unfortunately she paid the price. A price that she shouldn't has to pay if only she didn't get involved with her husband, the same husband that Got her son killed because he was greedy and lust.

Sy'mon Almeida

in that time and period, things were different, is extremely rare to see Slaves owners that are like Ketil, having Slaves in that Time was something completely normal, for us it sounds like nonsense, but for that time it was an everyday life. knowing that... if I was a slave, Male or female don't matter... I would consider myself very lucky to have Ketil as a master. I'm not on Ketil side what he did was terrible. what I'm saying is all of that should be avoided simply by not getting involved with her husband, I'm not saying that Ketil did right punishing her like that, I'm saying that she shouldn't have done what she did.

Sy'mon Almeida

You're looking at this from a relatively privileged and modern perspective. Arnheid is not a worker, she's a slave. It wouldn't have mattered if she explained herself or not. Ketil, in his blind rage and bruised ego, would've still beat her to death. Hell, he even did so AFTER she told him that she's carrying his child, and probably would have beat her harder if she attempted to explain herself. Her being quiet was the smart move, imo. I've been saying this since the first episode, but Ketil is an evil man. Even if he put up a compassionate facade, he still owns humans as property. It was only a matter of time, as shown in this episode, before he dropped his mask and showed his true colors. There's no nuance in regards to him.

raben konig

Can’t believe what am reading here but all I have to say all y’all people that defending that fucker ketil y’all need help. Second this mf ketil is such a jackass this women told you she having your baby and don’t believe her. Bro all those years only person fucking is you. Are you fucking kidding me I hope all this energy he have I hope he do that to the king . I hope he gets it the wrost bitch ass

Toria

Agree

Toria

Agree

Toria

might show a flashback for the reunion

Castaway Figi

She would've been gangraped and beaten

Dry Lyo

Consent wasn't a thing back then. Even Arnheid said her marriage was arranged.

Dry Lyo

I'm not even a Ketil fan or anything of the sort but Arnheid is fucking stupid regarding the events of this episode. Her priorities were every kind of fucked up! Let's just say you're working a job and you fuck something up, when you're boss confronts you and asks for an explanation are you going to use your opportunity to set the story straight or sit there in your feelings until they decide to get rid of you? Now take into consideration that this boss put a baby in you (which you haven't told them), is in his right to be displeased with your conduct while they've been away and they came to see you with a stick in hand for whatever reason. I'm sorry but what are you sitting there silent for like you ain't had time to think and like this man does not own you in the same way he owns the horses in that stable!? In her defense she was probably getting clapped no matter what she said but at the end of the day she was totally resigned, not a smidge of preservation for her self or child... I personally can't respect that 🤷🏾‍♂️ EDIT: Mybad, there was a smidge of preservation, after she got hit IN THE BABY!!😅... Nice

Kinsmoke William

pop tf off

Josh Mr.Fire

Canute isn't coming to burn anything as he is trying to steal everything Ketil owns. The reason why Ketil is so unstable in this episode is because he knows he is in a unwinnable situation and basically Canute declared his death sentence.

Thamor

Morality is subjective. it's arrogant to think that your morality is the one and only way of looking at things. Preachy, and no better than a protestant really.

Dry Lyo

@Mufid Lassissi He was a viking bro, you gotta watch him shit too so you know that he shits? That's what vikings did, deal with it.

Dry Lyo

@Msage04 I didn't really like Arnheid. She should've chosen a lane and stuck with it rather than what she did. The disgust at Ketil beating a pregnant woman comes from it being a disgusting act rather than us liking Arnheid, she kind of a dumbass no cap

Dry Lyo

"Our morals don't transfer back 800 years ago" are you slow? The main character himself adopted an ideology of no slavery and war two episodes ago, Thor's freed a slave in the first episode. It doesn't take an astro physicist to know slavery is bad and it's not a foreign concept in verse as the story has shown many times people have different beliefs. To say Arnheid has an incredible life because she doesn't get whipped every day is incredibly stupid.

Ebankz

After seeing that YouTube community post I don’t even want to scroll up, how tf could people walk away from this episode on Ketil’s side. Like what sort of warped lens have y’all been watching this show through. Some serious brain damage on display here. Absolutely zero empathy for a woman that’s had to suffer for so long and has always been at the mercy of everyone around her. You can understand Ketil without acting like he’s justified in beating a defenseless pregnant slave to near death, just because he sees her as his “property.” Because he doesn’t care about her in any way other than as his possession, and he refuses to give up any of his possessions. Because he doesn’t view her as a human being with independent thoughts who deserves any sort of agency or rights beyond what he decided for her. Because he’s a slave owner, and at the end of the day, that’s what they’re all about. Honestly I don’t think I’d be this bothered if this anime wasn’t so grounded and historically accurate. People like this actually existed. Yet even when they‘ve seen what Arnheid has been through, and how broken she is, there are people that would still support her damn slave owner and say she deserved it??? Or had it coming??? I genuinely can’t think of any reason for that other than misogyny. Fucking hell man.

GraffitiTurtle

I think the combination of Canute coming to steal his farm then coming home and finding out his "favorite slave" tried to leave, he feels like he's losing everything all at once and that's what made him snap. I feel like if the situation with Canute wasn't happening then Ketil might have been more more lenient with Arnheid. That said, he's a piece of shit and I hope Canute burns everything to the ground and kills Ketil.

Alexis Sullivan

Ketil is trash and a punk ass bitch! He’s too scared to fight a man but had no issues beating a tied up Arnheid with a wooden stick! I hope Canute’s forces kill him, that creep that was watching Arnheid in the farm, and burn his whole farm to the ground! 😤😤😤 I just want Arnheid to be happy. Is that too much to ask? She doesn’t deserve this at all. 😫😫😫

Earphone Jack

It’s basically abuse of power, which is horrible as well, cmon now she was obviously not sleeping with him because she wanted to, that is still a crime that is sexual. Arnheid is an unpaid prostitute who doesn’t want to be one what do you think that is

YoungSalsa

Nah bro. People defending/justifying Ketil’s actions (even as a “joke”) are not it. He’s a full trash landfill and needs to go. Based on some of these comments, I can’t wait for Ketil to get his shit rocked.

Mary L.

“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.” The perfect quote for the coming storm

Raging

Ketil is a whole L

Thomas_Stilinski

i don't think that wrong tho, it kept him and his alive so far plus being nice and benevolent probably would've ended in him going broke, robbed or killed in a time period like that.

Abstract Dread

Interesting how you think these ideas are idealistic... I think more people should hold humanity accountable for their actions. How else would we evolve???

britt m

thank you, what got me annoyed is that she didn't run or be useful until dude was literally dying like c'mon now.

Abstract Dread

I know how it was back then 😂 I took plenty of history classes. Also I think you are confused. Having slaves back then did not make or break you. Plenty of people survived without having to own slaves. Ketil made his wealth off of slaves, yes. But not having them doesn't mean he'd be poor. Losing his slaves and paying workers would not jeopardize his ability to survive. Nice try.

britt m

again dude seriously doubted if it was his not saying it was right but from his perspective and from the woman he loved, she was too far gone for him.

Abstract Dread

thank you, a honest objective take on the situation in a scope as a whole. Dude was definitely wrong but too many things one after the other happened to him in such a short time for him to be completely sane and composed.

Abstract Dread

straight facts, just to not leave with him until he was literally dying smfh

Abstract Dread

great assessment

Abstract Dread

too many idealist in this comment section smh

Abstract Dread

bro i think you've gotten too used to the way the world is right now, watch videos and documentaries on how life was back then. Plus no ones going to pay so much more per worker just to be righteous, i don't care who you are you're not or until your back's against the wall and bout to lose your farm and face utter poverty and homelessness with your family....you will buy cheap labour to survive period.

Abstract Dread

Same energy as "He's such a gentle Nazi" lmao

Ethan

This nigga made outta wet straws 💀. Hope he gets well soon tho

Zion Williams

When people realize that a “nice slaveowner” is an oxymoron

Jordan McKenney

Arnheid really thought the coochie was worth the lives of 5 men

Jigga Man

@Ruben Don’t know where you’re getting that.

Andrew shultz

Man am I excited to see either Einar or Cannute beat Ketil till he inside out. I will be ready hopefully next ep.

Jelly123354363562345

Literally thorfinn and Einer both helped and throning even fought snake lmao. They are two slaves who should’ve been killed and escaped, but Ketil purposely beats Arnheid because of the domination h abusive relationship. You do understand that right?

Ale

You don’t remember him using Arnheid as a sex slave? And getting her pregnant? Or using another person’s name? Cmon now, let’s not act like he’s a good person, Ketil’s just less shit than the shit around him.

YoungSalsa

Even if it was the only trash thing he did (which it isn't, he's slave owner so he's already trash) that doesn't excuse what he did.

Sixaxis112

That’s because people can think rationally and jump to the extreme on the internet. It’s all about picking a side and not actually talking.

Dirty_Oldman

you know what's crazy part is? I read all the comments and except 2 or 3 troll comment, there was no genuine “defending the slave owner”. You see one “Everyone here defending Ketil is a fucking clown.” comment and think there were actually people doing that, literally a twitter-like circle jerking is going on under this comment section.

Nabi

She got alot of people killed as well

Jayden Holder

It was a terrible joke lol 🤣

Fizzy

This is the only trash thing ketil did in the show

Jayden Holder

Ain’t no way we got speds out here defending ketil 🤣🤣🤣

Fizzy

👆🙈🙉🙊🤡

Bob Bob

To be fair Ketil is stressed out of his mind and about to go to war with the King of England and his army, then you come back and find out the woman you love (Misguided as the love may be) betrayed you and got many of your men killed. He is under a TON of stress and breaking down. doesn't justify his actions, but it does explain them. He is also going a lot farther than even he wants to cause of his emotions. Thats why snake acted the way he did. Yes he has the right to beat and kill Arnheid, but he gave him a second to realize what he was doing and calm the emotions and stress. Still terrible but this show is mostly about terrible people doing terrible things in terrible ways to people just trying to do their thing, tis the way of the times

Vincent S Deluca

You’re pathetic excuse for human

Mufid Lassissi

@bob Bob just defend your slave master ketil without making up lies about other characters. Where did askelaad rape someone?

Mufid Lassissi

Who did askelaad rape?

Mufid Lassissi

Just commenting to say a lot of people here do know what is what. Ketil is a complete piece of shit, simple as that. I'm happy he let go of Thorfinn and Einar, but that doesn't excuse his behaviour, just happy for the both of them.

Olemgar

Nigga arranged marriages are fucked up for a reason!!! RAPE INCLUDED, you think all those women want to? NO! It's worse cause their parents are allowing the shit to happen!

ShaquanVirse

This was really well spoken

Leaky Peach

When you have people defending the slave owner who literally just beat the life out of his pregnant slave, that will understandably cause people to have extreme opinions.

Jaden Coleman

Everyone here defending Ketil is a fucking clown.

Shockzz1234

Hm, I can see why you say its hard to go against the grain, but my statement still stands. Whether it's hard or not and whether doing so holds value or not is kinda irrelevant imo. That still doesn't make him any less shitty. Also, Ketil has power. This man can do whatever he pleases (within the confines of living under a king) because he has money and he still chose to own slaves instead of paying workers. Choosing not to abuse them is really not all that impressive when you think about it. At the end of the day, he isnt a good person.

britt m

pfp= rapist lol

rinnko60

What kind of logic is that. You will pardon these guys for being a badass. Askeladd was a murderer and a rapist. Thorfinn literally decided to gain the skill to challenge Askeladd by killing innoncent bystanders. What will you say next if Ketil kills 20 warriors by himself, oh i will forgive him he was a badass this episode.

Bob Bob

Something's telling me that (a) we probably won't seee the battle in the next episode and (b) we might not even have as a big of a battle as we're expecting. I suspect that Thorfinn might try to figure out how to circumvent the violence.

Thulani Mason

To clarify I was joking yes. Unfortunately IDK how to convey that through text

Alkatros

I don't know why y'all surprised about the Ketil apologists. These incel fucks have been under most of the reactions constantly trying to justify some bullshit or finding some way to be misogynistic. Truly not suprising.

Zazies Beret

I remember seeing some reactions and comments saying Snake had double standards saving Arnheid life here but killing Gardar in the previous episode. Gardar is from a different farm, trespassed and killed people here, and was dealt with as a criminal. Arnheid simply tried to escape with him, nothing more. So Ketil was going overboard. That said, this was horrifying to watch. Ketil made the mistake of putting his faith into a person he owns and who's obligated to agree with everything he says. She had a decent family life as a free woman before. And he seemed to have forgotten she didn't choose any of this. He was absorbed in his own world, honestly. The tragedy of a very flawed man. And the tragedy of a perfectly decent mother who got caught up in the flaws of men.

NJ

why is always comment section needs to be so extreme, is there no middle ground for your opinions? smfh

Nabi

It’s what I love about this season. There are a lot of chances for characters to talk it out. They just don’t want to really have the hard conversations. They never even try.

Dirty_Oldman

Y'all defending Ketil is WILD. This man essentially raped Arnheid, got her pregnant and then beat her literally senseless because she tried to escape.

DeAndre Woodruff

I think Ketil is a broken person rather than evil. Hes definitely not Good either. No one that beats people up like that is considered good even if hes backed in a corner. Evil is indeed too strong a word as we can see that he had his moments. That being said, I do want to point out that "being less shitty than the people around you" actually holds more weight than others want to admit. This is no justification for his actions ofc but being better than those around is much more difficult than one would give him credit for. His friends and community revolves around being a warrior and being slave owners. And most of these slave owners/warriors are vicious people who beat their slaves and treat them like dirt. However, he was never influenced by this culture that surrounded him and gave his slaves much better treatment than others would. Going against the "culture" is alot harder and impressive than it sounds. Yes, he was no hero, he still owned slaves. Not everyone can be as strong as Thors.

Danny

Thorfinn's correct on the fact that if u dont keep trying to seek nonviolent ways, then in the end, ur only going to fail. But just because u failed this time, u shouldnt stop pursuing the path of nonviolence. The only way to achieve peace is for everyone to do their best in order to not submit to violent acts.

Danny

Idealistic is much better, thank you. I used naive because of Thorfinn’s child like wonder, when he looks at the world now. However, idealistic is a much more suitable description.

Dirty_Oldman

I’d say Thorfinn is more idealistic than naive. Thorfinn is completely aware of how difficult, if nigh impossible, his goals are, but he stills pursues said ideal in spite of (if not because of) how difficult it is. Seeking answers to an arguably unanswerable question is a major part of Thorfinn’s atonement and personal journey.

Theo Vorster

It’s true tho people making it seem like arnheid did nothing wrong

Zero _

I think you are a prime example of what the other person was referring to as 'bitches'

Bazil

Just to make myself clear. I don't condone Ketil's behavior at all towards Arnheid. And yes she is a slave. Slaves DO NOT have an amazing life no matter how "good" it may seem on camera. I'm just saying that she could've avoided all this trouble if she didn't try to help Gardar escape.

HybridEclpse

Listen, I need everyone to understand this: Being less shitty than the people around you, doesn't make you a "good" person. You can understand the "why" in Ketils actions, but justifying them in saying it's the time period or comparing him to other slave owners is not it... Now with that being said, I do think the word "evil" is too strong of a word to represent Ketil as a person. However, what he did was no doubt evil as fuck and nothing justifies his actions. Holding power over anyone's head to me is quite evil, but given the circumstances, it could've been a lot worse. There's so much to unpack about Ketils character but overall he is not a good person. He is far from it.

britt m

Most of the comments here about Ketil and it’s missing the point of this season. Thorfinn just talked about “Finding the first method” and “No deserves to be hurt”. Then we get Ketil’s display of violence to hammer it home. Thorfinn, maybe naive but he is the only one really trying to end the cycle. Which disappointed people in the beginning because they want the violence from him. Even though it never should be justified.

Dirty_Oldman

@Bob Bob But that's not the same thing my guy tho we knew askeladd was a asshole but was he badass? Kind of he was cool he had bad ass moments so did thorfinn they weren't the best people but you had some kind of understanding on thorfinn and on askeladd. Ketil beating a pregnant slave while he has a wife and taking his anger out on her isn't badass its not cool or anything at all, and its not well understandable to a logical reasoning. There is nothing to like about it in season 1 i thought thorfinn was annoying but there were some aspects i liked about him i understood why he was so bitter i liked his fighting he was cool. So was askeladd he had charism despite being a dickhead but there is no charism in beating a pregnant woman not even really askeladd really does that askeladd would just put somebody out of their misery and kill them immediately. Nobody said askeladd or thorfinn weren't bad people but you can still dislike somebody more if they do somethign cowardice say what you want about thortfinn but dude was not a coward dude spend his whole life in revenge not sneaking askeladd because it is a cowardice act. Same for Askeladd while askeladd is more of a dirty fighter then thorfinn He doesn't take out his anger on people he just does what his men expect him to do.

Angelo

I think someone said it earlier. All this time, Ketil wasn’t nice and benevolent, he was conflict avoidant. Meekness is sometimes confused with cowardice. This farm will reap what it sowed unfortunately.

tiffanytiarah

Yeah but it’s still just a rumor. The only ones that know it’s a lie out us (the audience) , Arnheid and Ketil himself.

Wolf

Some of these comments are wild, but my take is simply this. The events that transpired are Arnheids fault, but she did not deserve that and Ketill is in the wrong. She was warned several times to just leave stuff alone, but kept going. Bow I'm not condemning her, I would have done the exact same thing and it would have also been my fault in that instance. None of this is OK and she would most definitely prefer freedom, but realistically in this scenario she has 3 options:1. Run and be punished 2.run and escape 3. Continue as she has been on the farm. 3 is bad, 1 is worse and 2 is the good option, but realistically does anyone here see that happening in this time period?

GigaDirt

Arnheid knew the consequences, but I'm not justifying ketil beating a pregnant woman even if she is your slave. Like you have to be very delusional to think your slaves just love you because you're kind. They're still slaves and would still rather be. I hope his farm burns.

Dune

In what way is she not the victim haha?

Twin Hallow

why canute dad head look like lupa 😭

Kd

Toooooo many folks defending slavery here hey

Banz

I’m not defending him he beat the hell out of her basically cause he’s losing his shit but I do get that feeling of not being able too take it n snapping and I like that he got the resolve to fight the king but still what he did was messed up

Cleven Anthony

And it’s funny because he’s father tried to warn him that the bigger you make Your farm the bigger the target you will have but he didn’t listen

Candy

While showing others "a good slave owner's face" by giving Thorfinn and Einar a chance to be free, he never gave the same deal to Arnheid because he was obsessed with her and could not lose his emotional refuge. In the past episode, he hit the kid as a punishment not because he believed the kid deserved it, but he did it because he cared about his own reputation with others. When he was cornered and snapped, the first person he projected his anger onto was the weakest. What a loser.

Saku

If anyone defends ketil I just have to say....seek therapy, seek friends(if you even have any), seek help and seek god.

Acen Yang

I agree with you completely specially with all the fake lies about "iron fist ketil" like I know why he did what he did it's still so fucked up to see and not right, glad you're on that side instead of the "it was legal back then so why you mad" group that's In the comments lol

Deep

I mean I think she is the victim Having been a fucking slave lmfao she never asked for this , episode really showing the andrew taters lmfao just move on to sex trafficking like him and get arrested as well lmao

Donovan Doyle

I agree with you he’s delusional to think Arnheid genuinely cares for him. But I still think his delusion stems with him being weak minded and a coward because he knows that so he makes himself believe arnheid truly cared.

Shin splits

so you're saying she's stupid? lol

darnay mayberry

and it also shows if you try to help and change people's lives they will instead take the most selfish and destructive route. Just because Arneid got beat the fuck up doesn't mean she's automatically the victim

darnay mayberry

No I get you never said any of that but from the get go ketil was evil again he owns 3 slaves which are like cars back then,. He wants his farm to be well protected but wont carry out the duties to do so himself and hands it off to others (ie: the 2 children )he takes out his frustration on his sons to armheid and vents to her and somehow deluded himself into thinking she cared for him when really he has been raping her for years when she's been wanting to see hee husband, but he would never know that because to him he's her living fleshlight who can lend an ear, yeah it's her fault that these people died and yeah maybe she deserved punishment but he literally took all his anger from canute out on her, and he also doesn't give a fuck about snake and his 5 men I'm sure they're just hired hands and he can hire more only sverkel has some sense of care for snake

Deep

Ketil is straight pussy lips yo. How you gon beat on pregnant women and start huffin and puffin but as soon as Canute wants to snag yo shit, you turn into a punk?

TheOGDaffy

1. I never said it was okay for Ketil to rape Arnheid. 2. I did say Ketil was not inherently bad/evil but I never said he was a good person either. Im just staying ppl are fundamentally understanding his character wrong. 3. My last point is Arnheid is not 100% in this incident because her actions still lead to the deaths of 5 ppl.

Shin splits

It was but snake literally gave gardar a fatal wound , if you rewatch the episode all of them say Gardar is done but she wanted to spend those final moments with him

Deep

I think it would have been more reasonable if the Guests HAD been able to punish her for such an offense of having caused the deaths of 5 of Snake's underlings, tbh. At least then her punishment would have been justified to some extent

Skebaba

Ketil owned 3 slaves which in this time is like owning 3 Lamborghinis literally no matter how well he treated them they were still property and even if he was to weak to go through with any punishment his retainers would have as we saw multiple times through the season with them fucking with Einar and thorfinn , with little to no punishment, slaves are slaves. Ketil was trash the moment he got arnheied and made her a sex slave, he didn't care further for her then using her as a fleshlight and like a fucking old ass version of that replika app so he could vent his problems. Man was garbage when we first saw him he just showed his true colors. But aye you guys tell me more how fucking someone who inherently doesn't want it but has to or face beatings If she refuses isn't rape I'll let you guys cook

Deep

Yeah I just was saying half these people in the comments wish they lived in these times so they could have a slave they could fuck and be like "it's cool bro "

Donovan Doyle

Right, especially since she wasn’t offered any deal like Thorfinn was to be free

luckywizard

Yo on God swear some of these commenters wish they were in the vinland saga age so they could be disgusting and feel "justified" sick fucks

Donovan Doyle

Wasn’t the whole point of Thorfinn fighting snake so she can escape with her husband on the carriage?

luckywizard

na but arnhied is at fault here, she was a slave, she was selfish the minute she said she was pregnant oh lord, even she said she lost one child due to basically hes husband and men from her village so she was going to protect this child make sure she lives on this farm grows up there but then she does stupid shit like that if you were a slave back then you do stupid shit like that they will hunt you down and use you as an example EINAR should have known better how many times has he tried to escape previously and he got caught, thorfinn should have know better 2

Candy

Really between him and Floki

Deric J

Nahh this comment section makes me sick

Onyekachi Nkenke

Ketil is probably my most hated character in Vinland Sage. He just stayed fucking shit up, his family are trash too.

William Zavala

I can’t believe what i’m reading bro

Onyekachi Nkenke

What the hell kind of question is that LMAO y'all out here acting like martin luther king was wrong or something

King Mufasa

People defending ketil have brain rot

Moon

That's exactly what arranged marriages are bro, only the parent's consent matters not yours

King Mufasa

How do people watch the episodes with their eyes closed? She never tried to escape, she was giving gardar peace of mind before he died. She didn't even know why she did everything that she did in the first place lmao

King Mufasa

All of that bullshit is Arnheid's fault. she knew the man was a problem, she lied, freed him, 5 people died because of her, before that she tried to escape with him, she almost got Thorfinn or snake killed, even threw the old man in the storm. and she is a Slave. even if she was a regular person, that wouldn't be unpunished.. imagine as a slave. no woman deserve to be beaten, but she fucked up reeeeal bad. any other slave would have been tortured and executed. I hated the fact that she freed her husband, her son literally died because of him. died for Greed. I would be her I wouldn't give a shit about this guy.

Sy'mon Almeida

right? like you can say its part of the times sure, but that doesn't make it any inherently less shitty. saying shit like "you can't put modern values into the past", nah nigga we can, this shit is absoletely fucked and trash, and ketils trash for that

D Fud

Your missing the point it’s the fact of the matter if your a slave and want to escape you can flee , kill, or work hard for it in some cases , if your a slave owner you can free, kill , or sadly be evil or somewhat nice to a slave doesn’t make it right but once a choice is made and blood is spilled on either side your hands are no longer clean and sometimes you are faced with harsh and unforgiving consequences the reason ketil beat her wouldn’t have applied if she wasn’t in the situation to begin with

Patrone07

broke his finger trying to kill a fly, he tweeted about it

Babyjuuga

What happened to Lupas arm/finger? Anyways get well soon Lupasan!

this is one long ass username

"He isnt evil and he is not meant to be a malicious character, he is supposed to depict a weak priviliged guy that is kind in essence but due to his weakness he does bad things just like eveyone else. " This fucking makes no sense when SLAVERY is in fact evil, and IN FACT He forces himself on Arnheid WITHOUT her consent. Wanna know why?? she's powerless, this isn't the children situation where HE DOESN'T own them. That's the mix of cowardice, evilness, selfishness, and inability to act AS YOUR OWN until someone who is powerless can't say no to u '

ogking31

Literally, this entire season has been about Thorfinn taking accountability for the terrible things he did in the past. And just think about the differences in their lives. Yes, Thorfinn did terrible things, but his father was killed right in front of him when he was six years old and he grew up in a band of pirates. To be honest, it's almost crazy that Thorfinn didn't turn out even worse than he did morally speaking. Ketil, on the other hand, has had a relatively easy life. Yes, he did lose his love interest in the past, but ultimately he's led a life of comfort and relative power over others. He's a coward who can't stand up to his own family and has deluded himself into thinking he's the ultimate victim of his situation when in reality, he's just receiving a taste of his own medicine.

Bachira

They really had to remind us, it is what it is.. Soon as I saw Ketil was giving her special treatment, I knew it was fucked, just not how bad it would get. Goofy ass mfs tryna defend slavery are funny, obv it's a 'part of the times' thing but no less fucked up

Justin Neason

She can’t say no to him, he owns her. So, yes, he’s raping her.

Starscreamer

hes a slave owner u must be Uncle Ruckus or Sam L. Jackson in Django with this goofy logic

Gmoney

A slave owner beating a pregnant sex slave to death (I don't say almost because Snake is the only reason Ketil didn't finish the job, so in my mind, he might as well killed her right then and there) in large part because of his frustration at Canute, is among the clearest right and wrong situations I've seen. At the end of the day, Snake and his guests were literally defending the institution of slavery, and so the guests' deaths are their own fault. I'm not necessarily saying they deserved to die, but when you take away a person's rights, how can you complain when they do the same to you? And at the end of the day, Ketil didn't even beat her because people died. That would be a different conversation, however, he beat her simply because she tried to escape him. That's all.

Bachira

being a slave owner in of itself makes him a bad person regardless of the time period

Gmoney

These comments sadly confirm to me that people today are no better than people were back during these times. It's wild that even with all our modern knowledge and morality, there are still people who defend shit like this. Ketil is masterfully written to show how the cowardice of those who have the power to change the lives of many people for the better will instead choose the most selfish and destructive route possible for the sake of worthless pride and entitlement.

Bachira

I can understand why he would beat her but it doesn't mean i will tolerate this type of behavior. I just hope everyone won't tolerate this type of behavior even in real life...

A french guy who enjoy eng sub

Yeah, aint that a slave on his pic too haha. This guy looking up to Kehtil.

Twin Hallow

this comment section is a whole warzone gahdamn 😭

Washington Terauchi

just by your pfp alone

Ketsu

lil bro stfu Incel you the type of person that would get a slave

Ketsu

aint nobody a rapist lil bro cope harder

tacoloco

Not a spoiler. Ketil said to Arnheid that he made the Iron Fist Ketil stuff up the same episode we learned that that's what people think he was.

Muse of Salzburg

These comments really are trash dear god. People saying that they can understand why a dude would viciously beat a slave. Wild.

James

No one is happy being something they didn't want to be. But the question is will you live with the consequences of reality or will you risk it all taking a risk that costs everything.

CornCobBob

Hey man don't spoil it.

CornCobBob

Old King is like "Yeah boy hehehe"

Sham3ful

Yeah this episode went from "Oh Leif & Thorfinn Jr are back, can't wait for the reunion" to just very traumatizing.

Sham3ful

😂😂😂

SoClose

as a manga reader dont worry

EZ

they catch up a little and talk next ep

EZ

No he was NEVER IRON FIST KETIL

EZ

There has also been many stories made already of how even good ppl can do the make horrible things (not saying Ketil is a good person). Ketils entire farm and life is in jeopardy because Canute is coming with an army to take it over and then you get home to find out 5 of our hired men are dead.

Shin splits

So I guess we know the stories that his son told about him were true, I guess either his father or just spending time on the farm had softened his heart and relaxed him since he wasn't in a constant state of life and death, where he could lose everything in one moment but now that Caunte threaten his lively hood he snapped back into the beast he was known as

Calamiti (Bleu)

This comment giving major redditor vibes. Congrats on being technically correct lol

ayyyy

Ppl saying Ketil is inherently a bad person or evil is wrong imo. It has been stated many times that Ketil is weak minded and a cowards. Ppl who are weak minded and cowards are the most susceptible to the environment around them and the situation at hand. Him spazzing put on arnheid isn’t him showing his true colors it’s rather showing how easily his someone who is a coward and can be affected by the situation around him. Yes Ketil is greedy but that doesn’t make him a bad person. Arnheids situation is horrible but as human you have the ability to make choice. Yes not a lot choices but she still had two. 1. Stay with Ketil and be unhappy but live and let your child grow or try to escape with gardar. She obviously choose the latter. Got 5 of snakes men killed and Ketil spazzed out on her. I’m not trying to justify Ketils actions but ppl saying Arnheid is innocent doesn’t make sense to me. Because 5 ppl are still dead because of her choice to free gardar. So should that be overlooked?

Shin splits

Her baby didn’t deserve it but unfortunately her actions lead to this, this isn’t matter of a clear right and wrong she got people killed whether it’s was for freedom or self preservation and when people die partly by your hands you can’t expect everyone is ok with that and think no bad karma is coming your way

Patrone07

Yes me trolling

Shadow Garden

Also, don't forget she saved Snake by calming down Gardar

Trashthlete

"That's my boy"

Trashthlete

Where do you see any blame in my statement these are facts and actions have consequences period it not a matter of who’s right

Patrone07

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SmittyWerbenjägermanjensen

I just need to clarify I’m not defending the guy in a way shape or form. I was tryna be more understanding but I might to take a step back on that part on further evaluation🤣

Tyrese Marshall

As much as I think what ketil did is unforgivable. Her actions still got 5 men killed. Of course she wanted to help gardar and that’s totally justified, but her actions but you have to expect consequences from those actions. That just how the world worked then.

Shin splits

It’s more like a “she doesn’t have a choice kind if thing” Armheid is literally a slave, it’s not up to her whether she decides to sleep with the master or not, it’s about the power gap between the two. Be honest, if they were not in a slave-master relationship do you believe that Arnheid would sleep with Ketil? Ketil uses Arnheid as a stress-tool that he believes he can relieve himself whenever the heat is too much for him and due to the power gap between the two (Slave and Master) there isn’t much that Arnheid can even do about it. She is basically his sex slave, she personally does everything by his every call and whenever Ketil needs time to destress he finds his walking stress-reliever Arnheid. Anrheid in no romantic way is attracted to Ketil, she just wants peaces and since she eventually ended up pregnant she figured she could at least live a peaceful life. Ketil seems like a good man, but he obviously has no problem using a slave for his own lust and personal desires. Hence, why he never even thinks about giving Arnheid a chance at freedom since she is a possession to him “a sex toy” of sorts.

YoungSalsa

Mfs in the comments are bitches bro. "She deserves it" bro you deserve to be isolated from society

JohnnySmoke

Is casting blame always a negative thing tho?

Tyrese Marshall

Blaming a slave for trying to run away is crazy ngl

Onyekachi Nkenke

Me personally I’m not saying she deserves it. But she’s 100% at fault also. Snake told her to leave so she wouldn’t get into further trouble. She got 5 of snakes men killed. She made her decision to try to escape and she got punished for it.

Shin splits

Bro Imagine you're canute and you about to clap some cheeks and your Dad head is in the corner watching you WTF 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Randy Petitmaitre

LOL this shit crazy

ayyyy

Everyone commenting Arnheid deserves it are the same ones who'd have trashed Thorfinn's field because slaves forgot they were property and started acting like human beings.

Jake Thompson

The fact is Arnheid was told to not go near her husband by snake, she lied to the dude and went anyway which lead to him getting killed then freed her husband which killed more people on the farm but she so fucking innocent yea right she is part of the problem that occurred with all those people that died her hands aren’t clean of it at all let’s be real she would of been killed if it wasn’t for that baby in her and her relationship with the master and she knows it

Patrone07

all these rapists in the comments fucking pussies just like ketil fr

Ketsu

Yeah people be crazy

szeth

I agree it make sense , but the comments above where going to extreme lengths to understand his character but they refuse to do the same with her

abdulrahman fahad

Not really. As it would have overshadowed mostly everything going on here. Plus it would probably have spoiled the reunion since the beating happened.

Outcast107

@ShaquanVirse While I agree with your first comment, maybe its in the manga, but where did it show him raping her. Yes she never did it with him out of pure love but by that standard all arranged marriages would be rape. All we are shown to my knowledge is she sees a better life if he has his kid and so does that. Ofc that isn't true because he is trash and like I said I agree with your original comment but Arnheid doesn't find that out until this ep

szeth

Theres no way its off screen, it has to be for another episode. This episode they just wanted to focus on ketil.

nickhaze

Gotta be trolling lol

szeth

At first I thought it was crazy but now looking back on it, it makes a lot of sense for his character. He lost everything and then the one person he confided in he realized also doesn't want to be around him. He saw her as his property and not a human. Buddy is trash

szeth

Bruh he's a slaver owner what are ya'll on lmao.

Robert Golden

this has to be a troll comment, right? Doing less manual labor (of which you actually have no proof of btw. she's literally been shown in multiple scenes doing housework which is to be expected of female slaves at the time), but having to have sex with your *owner* / *slave master* sounds amazing to you?

Caryl Hector

this is the wildest comment i have ever seen poor Arnheid taken as a slave having your son killed or taken because of the actions of the men in the village your husband included, being forced to have sex with a man you don't love and getting pregnant from it ,, only for a mf to come in here to say that she is ungrateful and that she had a happy life as a slave !!!!!!

abdulrahman fahad

Shes still a fucking slave are you being serious. And she does not have an amazing life she's literally being forced to be Ketil's sex slave what about that is amazing. Regardless if she has an "amazing" life she wants to be free like everyone else, that's literally normal. Its crazy that you cant see something as obvious as this and are trying to defend this shit.

near

I wouldn’t defend him. Although, think it’s crazy when people don’t keep that same energy when it’s a guy getting beat.

Dirty_Oldman

This whole episode was links back to Thorfinn wanting to find another way. They are just repeating the cycle. Hopefully we don’t have to see Thorfinn fight anymore this season.

Dirty_Oldman

Next episode, it was off screen on purpose

ShaquanVirse

So rape is okay? That's the perfect slave life? Roshi come get these niggas, they outta pocket!!

ShaquanVirse

Hoping for a reunion flashback, but it probably will stay offscreen. :(

Ash

these comments are crazy, ppl defending ketil like they owned the farm themselves lmaooo

ayyyy

Yeah tbh I kinda got too hung up on the definition of beeing 'good' as a slave owner that my inintial point kinda got lost now. Ketil is not a bad person He is also not perfect in fact he is weak, a weak person that can't over come his rage or sexual temptations that were born out of frustration. I dont try to excuse his actions at all what he did is cowardly because he IS a coward I just want to make clear why things are happening and how he isnt a devil as people make him out to be just like you too btw. And yes it's the same with people that got fired from their Job to go beat their wife these people have past trauma or violent childhoods or some other cause for their behaviour. Now these people need to change after doing that once, seek help reflect and all that just like thorfinn a literal murderer, he caused the death of so many innocent people like what. Ketil obviously snapped and is now willing to go die out of pure rage he wont repent or anything because he is WEAK there is nothing for him so now what. He isnt evil and he is not meant to be a malicious character, he is supposed to depict a weak priviliged guy that is kind in essence but due to his weakness he does bad things just like eveyone else. Edit: also yes obviously ketil is there to show how brutal this era was, nearly every character and scene is, it's about a time periode dominated by war so Yeah... And what sverkel said is partially true he just point out that ketil isnt just a good samaritan that tries to safe the world as I ALSO ALREADY SAID IN MY OTHER COMMENT it's a compromise obviously it has it's benefits to make a deal with the slaves but normally you just work them to death and waste less money, Individual attention and in General a lot of work. What, u think slaves were out there getting paid? Their maintence was held to a minimum until they die thats it, in comparison ketil is a godsent, his approach is a sustainable and humane way it's 80% fueld by human decency and 20% profit. Sorry but bro was not cookin

TimmSchmimm

@Xan Acktor How so? Having a reunion in this matter is literally a bad timing and it wouldn't fit the narrative of the episode.

ogking31

I know back then was a completely different legal system. I was just saying that even our own legal system and modern views differentiate minors in the law. I meant Askeladd's group was wandering, not just Thorfinn.

Ethan

I hope they add it at the beginning of the next episode otherwise that seems like a huge oversight.

Xan Acktor

damn bro where that energy IRL homie. Instead you flippin burgers

Infinity

In terms of psychology I guess your right but legal wise not much repercussion back then. And if there was, thorfin would get the short end of the stick Idk about wandering, he chose to stay to get a chance to kill askeladd since he felt like he had “nothing” to lose And here we see Ketil with losing everything , both characters driven into corners . I guess all characters aren’t solely evil/good

PalmMuteKeys

@TimmSchimm You seem to fail to grasp the situation, it doesn't matter the time it is. The purpose of the writer to write this is for to realize how brutal it is during this time period. Ketil was NEVER a nice owner when Ketil literally manipulates by making his brand so slaves could work and have get more profit. That's LITERALLY as bad as making a slave work hard for nothing without any beneficial. And no his Trauma doesn't negate his action towards arnheid, this is like saying someone being fired and suddenly beating their love ones out of frustration. Ketil IS NOT a victim in this when Ketil is in fact has been set up to be bad from the beginning by not only being bias to farmers and also incapable of making decision that isn't his property. The ONLY time he makes a decision is when he's in the upper hand which is towards arnheid and his needs. That's literally called rape and dehumanization. In short Ketil WAS never a good man, and Sverkel proves that point. Also what Theo said, just because it's different time period does not mean Ketil was kind. He wad as terrible as others.

ogking31

Well age definitely does matter. There's a difference between adults and minors in terms of legal repercussions, psychology, and how they deal with traumatic situations. Thorfinn was essentially a child solider in a wandering mercenary group, where it was kill or be killed. Ketil is anywhere in his 40's to 50's and is a landowner and farmer.

Ethan

Ofc your profile is another slave girl. I'm sensing a theme.

Ethan

not you not realizing that arnheid even while being a slave has a amazing life on the farm. you act like shes being beaten daily or something. she literally lay up in bed all day with the master and does some cooking. the wife does more manual labor then arnheid does probably

tacoloco

Yes Thats true the average person didnt have slaves because they were simple farmers and couldn't afford it or were victim themselves etc. but if a normal person had the chance to get a slave without having a past of slavery, poverty or hardship and have the money for it I think every single person would get a slave the general moral compass isnt the same as today because it was so normalized and life was hard nobody would pass up on smth like that. Even so wasn't ketil kinda born into that farmland lifestyle with his father and also the usage of slaves(not sure some1 confirm pls) , he is the Nr. 1 ignorant spoiled guy to not think anything of it. Also he cant just say nah Ill do all of it myself he offers them to earn their freedom so they are motivated and dont riot and work but on top of that he wants them to life there afterwards aswell, he gives them the choice to leave or work at his farm regularly. Sure you have less conflic this way but it's still more profitable to reign with terror and not let the slaves go. Also he is still a buisenessman in the first place and everything else comes second he has to sustain his farm and if he wants to expand it he needs cheap workers etc. It's a compromise but in the grand scheme of things he is a really unrealistically kind person considering his origin in this time period. So I wouldn't agree that this is an oxymeron, him beeing a rich slaveowner doesnt cancel out how kind he is relative to the rest of the slave owners. Sure he is not a thors as I already said in my first comment but his heart is as pure as it gets with his upbringing and general life. (except the arnheid stuff ofc)

TimmSchmimm

It could be the day after the big bang or the year 3150, beating a pregnant woman half to death is a bitch move, fuck is you talking about. Plus she's his SLAVE at the end of the day, he literally OWNS her, his lil temper tantrum makes no sense.

Terry King Jr

yes im very serious

tacoloco

do you understand slavery or whats even going on in the farm. our morals don't transfer back to 800 years ago. he can kill them and not a single person would object. to act like arnheid doesn't have a incredible life would be a lie. EVERYONE on that farm works as she does. even his wife I'm sure she isnt dieing doing unfair labor she has a really good life even if she isnt free. any other slave master would be doing 100x worse to her

tacoloco

I don't see how his age would make it any better. sure, he is actively trying to atone but that still doesn't negate the damage he's done to the victims, but yes your right about his character perception. Ketil is similar to Thorfin in that they both embrace the Viking culture of violence/vengeance when they think they've lost everything (Thorfin seeking revenge for his Thors death regardless of the lives his taking / Ketil beating Arnheid and going to war against Canute).

PalmMuteKeys

It was after this....shitshow......they skipped over it initially in the manga too

Dyastro

The anime cut out the part of the reunion with thorfinn and Leif in the manga they hat a little reunion

Rhyan Pierre

This is a really misguided sentiment, that was/is a child conceived through rape and your implying the right thing to do is stay with the rapist and that she is somehow not justified in attempting escape. Her life still matters it didn't stop being something she shouldn't fight and struggle for just because she is pregnant. Not to mention that whole situation with her and Ketil is really messed up he has deluded himself into thinking he has a emotional connection with a sex slave which is sad because generally speaking he seems to be good intentioned but clearly misguided in thinking their whole thing is okay in any capacity, and his outburst shows he can't stick to either his morals or handle something reasonably when shit goes south and your saying it's in her and the childs best interest to stay with that, hell no.

Levi Blair

Thorgil was kinda right tho. The more cowardly the person, the more irrational their actions are. We saw it with the son, now we see it with Ketil.

Ethan

One, Thorfinn was a literally teenager when he was at his worst. But most importantly, Thorfinn is currently in the process of trying to actively atone for his past, like half (if not more) of this season is Thorfinn dealing with having committed/being complicit with so many heinous acts. That makes a huge difference in how a character is received and/or perceived.

Theo Vorster

The one scene I was dreading seeing animated honestly…

Thunter

Bro, you serious?

Ethan

keep cooking bro let em know

tacoloco

its funny that people condemn Ketil's actions (rightfully so) but love Thorfin despite him killing/seperating multiple families.

PalmMuteKeys

Except most people (the average person) in that age (or any age probably) were not slave owners. The people who could actually afford to own slaves represent a minority of any population. Regardless of time period, a slave owner is still someone who made the active choice to buy another human being, why is part of the entire point of how "nice for a slave owner" is essentially an oxymoron.

Theo Vorster

Women gotta be the strongest motivator on this earth bro, the coochie is too powerful 😭

Franklin wasn't getting away with 35mil scott free

And Thorfinn was a literally teenager when he was at his worst, and is currently in the process of trying to actively atone for his past. And Askeladd himself never tried to put on any airs of being a decent person, and even when he was at his cruelest/merciless (e.g. when had than entire village killed in service to his escort mission for Canute) never really wallowed in self-pity like Ketil. Being a terrible person and owning up to it/not denying it, versus being a terrible person and being a coward and making protestations trying to justify it makes a huge difference in character reception from audiences. And by this point Askeladd is already dead.

Theo Vorster

That’s what Arnheid get for being ungrateful.

Shadow Garden

They did us dirty with the off screen reunion

Anthony Maldonado

You can understand a character and still think they are horrible. Askeladd was a horrible person but I also understood and liked him.

Lurkingposter

Niggas really in comments trying to defend son, it's crazy

ShaquanVirse

Snake is a decent guy who tries to do his best within the laws and norms of nordic culture.

Lurkingposter

can we go back to farmland? things were way happier back than thorfinn was even able to laugh

Pucki

Nah y'all in the comments really trying to defend this fucking coward!!! I can't with y'all! He wasn't nice, he just avoided shit like the coward he is. Man full blown cheating on his wife and having his way with Arnheid. He beats a pregnant woman to near death and y'all still defending son? Wow!! Punk ass can't even raise his voice or hand towards his own crazy kids or the king

ShaquanVirse

She went to see him not to escape but to just see him. She had no intention of escaping but sh*t happens.

Lurkingposter

That's kind of the point. She knew it wasn't the rational decision (they dedicated 1/4 of an episode establishing see wanted to see him despite all reason) but people do shit out of emotion all the time (see Ketil in this episode for example). Unfortunately, things snowballed out of control. As for the unborn child, f*ck them kids. I choose my potential freedom from slavery over an unborn fetus any day of the week.

Lurkingposter

Bro are u really that dense, ofc it's wrong what he does to arnheid but he doesnt know anything about the concept of consent do you know what time this plays in? Most ppl didnt even know what consent is 10 years ago XD. Also obviously he is delusional about his situation with arnheid I didnt think I have to mentioned this, he doesnt have any moral in that scenario because of his failed marriage + arnheid beeing a substitute for his lost "true love" that got killed etc. That is why he even thinks she betrayed him, from his perspective he isnt doing anything wrong its even the opposite, he think he is beeing good to her and his high moral standards dont apply to arnheid because he wants to be selfish with his sexual desire which in return stems from his trauma and he has this delusion. Ketil is legit just supposed to be another victim of his environment. Its a kind/weak man thrown into a savage world and the few traumatizing moments leave behind emotional scars (arnheid situation) so as he beats the shit out of the pregnant woman you also sympathize with as she is part of the maincast you are supposed to feel hate for him but in the end you should realize that your hate was momentary biase and even ketil is a victim and you shouldnt hate him for that, yes he is weak or a "coward" but in this era it's just the other side of the coin (kindness/weakness). Edit: I just broke it down for you even more but what the bro says above me is the same thing just simplified: It's to show how messed up everything was.

TimmSchmimm

@Aniki Pft I don't see why people don't get that. Like his prior actions don't need to be questioned because of the fucked up shit he just done. He should be judged for his actions going forward imo

Tyrese Marshall

Exactly!! I hope he dies horribly and extremely painfully!!!

Chris

Sheera was right on the money. What did he think? That she was happy being a slave?

Greg Harrison

Also one thing i wanna point out is that regardless of what you think of snake he did good and saved arnheid from pretty much dying right there. He asked ketil these questions because he knows it’s a fit of rage meaning he’s blacked out and doesn’t really know what he’s doing. so he pretty much had to explain to him what he was doing and when he found out he stopped because he realized what he was doing (but also doesn’t regret it). honestly rn in manga snake is a top 10 character for me.

Sergio

She basically fulfilled his request of leaving together come true. She thought she could at least do that much for him on his way out, even if it didn't make much sense.

Devin B

pregnant or not he gained nothing out of beating her. she already knows she’s not going anywhere and her one reason for escaping is gone so what’s the point?? she learned her lesson already. i can’t wait to see ketil get his sht busted

Sergio

BRO ARNHEID IS A FUCKING SLAVE HOLY SHIT. He doesn't need something like consent to do anything to her, he legit owns her. He could kill her literally any time he wants and it'd be valid because THATS THE TIME THIS IS TAKING PLACE IN. That's the whole point of this arc basically, TO SHOW HOW MESSED UP IT WAS. He is nice, IN THIS AGE (You have to compare to the standard and he's above that for this time), most slaves don't even get the chance to be free whether they do good or not, actually, the better they are, the more the master wants to make them stay. Before you start saying somebody was not paying attention, start paying more attention to something as elementary as the setting.

Golden

The guy is pissed off but THERE IS no warrant that should be at Arnheid. In fact he beat her because she was trying to escape from slavery. He would've DONE the same thing if Canutes intervention didn't exist. You forgot how Ketil is possessive about something he truly wants

ogking31

Because it's a given that she knew it was over for him and she has no way of escaping. She wanted to make him comfortable and having that hope of them going home even though deep down that's too late for him and her

ogking31

@William Kimura, this is given when she's literally a SLAVE that is his favorite and always looking to be comforted. That's already a sign of forcing things on someone that u see as property, as this affirms this episode "She belongs to me"

ogking31

You clearly did not pay attention... him being a kind man is literally a stretch WHEN he's a coward who can't make decision DESPITE having that power to decide what punishment the kids would get OR let them go... but YET he forces a decision to have sex with arnheid without her consent in a lot of basis AND impregnated her without any consent?? That's not being nice, also him having a deal while also arnheid not having one is also a bad news. Thorfinn and Einar having a deal is so bad that it LITERALLY feeds off of Ketils greed for wealth and a coping mechanism so his slaves could be motivated. Sverkel told u this as well

ogking31

What I don't understand is, that Arnheid seemed kinda logical. She wanted to stay to protect her child. She originally went to Gardar because she had hope they could leave together. So how comes when she clearly saw he was dying, she still proceeded to try and escape with him?

Tyrese Marshall

Putting "respect" at the end of that sentence just don't make sense to me...can you please respond and tell me how that one word in that sentence made sense to you?🎤

chris dacon

Uh, he just beat a pregnant woman with her hands tied behind her back unconscious. I'm not really feeling understanding.

Cruel Sun

tbf Ketil has only been shown as a kid man, and a pathetic one at that and when owning slaves is legal, he clearly had a lot of respect for them unlike Gardar's master. However good shit like Vinland isn't gonna have anyone be cut and dried good or bad anyways.

Tyrese Marshall

I feel like Snake is lawful neutral he's not unnecessarily cruel but he understands that slavery is how the world works and since he's just a man he doesn't go out of his way to be an especially good guy. However he still cares about others like Sverkel.

Darth Marr

i don’t think anyone can understand him beating her to almost death pregnant or not

mal

What Ketil done is fucked up, but we know why the guy is pissed off. I feel if she wasn't pregnant too, people would be more understanding on his part. But he's still the nicest guy on this show besides Einar, Pater and Leif, but it shows that not every good person only does good shit, everyone does fucked stuff.

Tyrese Marshall

True but again, in that day and age as a slave thats literally to be expected. As the Guests said in that episode, Ketil is too nice to them, if she was given to the guests, the Baby is dead, she is r*ped multiple times over. Like this isnt meant to be a child friendly anime it shows real life situations for them settings and even then they have died them down to make it tolerable to watch

Bradley Canning

DISCLAIMER INBEFORE AS APPEARENTLY A LOT OF PEOPLE CANT THINK ALONG: Ketil is a loser yes he couldn't contain his anger and abused arnheid for his sexual frustrations because is a coward and weak and it seems his character arc is setup for him not to redeem himself or repent but instead just commit to anger and die without facing any of his evil deeds because his character is that of a weak man, a coward okay??I just try to make clear what his character his and how he isnt actually evil it's just a weak man breaking down and no arnheid doesnt deserve any of it her story is by far the biggest tragedy in farmland Saga I dont support ketils behaviour at all. Now my original comment: Nah but why you hating on ketil as if he is a horrible human. So far he was the kindest and softest man in this entire show by nature. He always tries to resolve things the most neutral way possible and even after his messed up background he remained as kind as ever. Now that someone like him is told 'yooo just so u know im going to take everything from you you ever had your entire farm everything because war politics and stuff. Huh, oh you are pretty much the only farmer on the planet who built up a farm like that with kidness and treating slaves fairly and offering them freedom? Ah unlucky... Well anyways, ill come kill you and take everything from you next week see ya. ' A weak hearted guy like him has no other choice but to break I mean god pretty much spat in his face and kicked him in the balls for doing only good things and after kinda having your entire reality shattered the only thing you seek is comfort just to find out 'this person betrays me too like god betrayed me how can I have not a single thing.' Then obviously the arnheid situation was a fat ptsd moment for him with another guy coming in (gardar parallel) and ruining what he has with his "loved one" (sure his relationship with arnheid was a onesided thing but he had his own delusion) like ofc he is going to let the anger out on her. And yes someone like thors wouldn't 'succumb' to his anger but the characterization of ketil from start to end makes it clear he isnt that strong, he has a weak heart. I also wann say that this is why vinland Saga is peakkkkk, this entire arc is so precisely crafted and every single event has been arranged perfectly, to me ketil's behaviour as a character makes 100% sense and honestly all of farmland saga is just a giant tragedy and depicts really well how messed things sometimes were during that time with slaves and kings etc. From Thorfin to einhar to arnheid to gardar to ketil up to canute evrything is an intertwined tragedy of "mankind" and a time periode dominated by war. Idk just peak fiction

TimmSchmimm

Tbh with you all, that beating is really realistic for the setting, if that was real life things probably would have been worse. Ketil is the main guy he worked all his life to make it a great place for the slaves and too come back from an already shitty trip to his slaves who he treats so well trying to escape. If that was real life all of them thorfinn, einar and arnheid probably would have been a lot worse off. It's only messed up because its so unhuman in this day and age but back then this is probably tame.

Bradley Canning

Never done such a hard turn on a character. It's kino writing cause look at how he could barely stand to let someone beat a petty thief kid that he didn't even know. But to do something so gross to someone he loves. "We do the worst things to the ones we love"

Ginger Dwarf

"you have an unborn child to protect at all cost" Yes and being a slave ISN'T really protecting yourself either, becasue Ketil was implied to literally do things with her in private without any type of consent. you're trying to play victim on Ketil when Ketil has always been not a nice person in the beginning.

ogking31

I'm looking forward to Ketil getting fucked up!! Fucking coward!

ShaquanVirse

Yeah honestly I don't think Ketil was or is a truly bad person he just isn't strong enough to stick to his ethics when times get tough or when it really matters and has horribly lashed out which is horrible thing of course but there is a big difference between always being like this and giving into it when everything falls apart. Obviously there is no such thing as a good slave owner doubly so one that has essentially wrapped a slave girl into a relationship she never could have her piece in but I still think at heart he is a decent person who generally means well just couldn't handle the weight of everything going on and gave in to the highest degree as well as deluded himself into believing what amounts to a sex slave is in a "relationship" with him.

Levi Blair

Guys...Is it messed up that I don't feel bad for what happened to Arnheid? I'm not saying what Ketil did was right cuz I don't feel bad for him either, this man needs a whole dumpster to himself. But she had to have known shit was gonna hit the fan extremely hard as soon as she decided to help Gardar. I get it, that's your husband, but ma'am you have (or had idk) an unborn child to protect at all costs, If she would've just stayed in the house with the old man, Einar and Thorfinn a few eps ago, none of this would've went down. The only person I genuinely felt sorry for was Gardar.

HybridEclpse

Not spoiling anything. Stop speculating out of nowhere bud

Guns

You’re joking right? 💀 what Ketil did was cowardly and horrible. He’s a real big baby throwing his tantrum onto her.

Destiny Hernandez

It’s a tv show bro it’s not that deep We hate characters who beat up a pregnant lady we like. We forgive characters who sell women we don’t know They aren’t real

MWS

well not luckily that he was hitting her on the head as a good thing but i think she'll survive and the baby 2

payasoloco

They really took a character in Ketil who I had a ton of sympathy for and made him one of my most hated characters ever in the span of 20 minutes Vinland Saga is nothing short of a masterpiece

TChang23

No it was a lie, he even admitted in his inner monologue and to arnheid, he’s just pissed now

MWS

holyyy now this is what i call PEAK. lets gooo and god daym he beat the absolute shit out of her lmaoo luckily i think he was hitting her on the head more then anything so hopefully her kid is good

payasoloco

he'd be the same as the other owners when he actually forced her to have sex without any consent and impregnated her without her word. Incapable of being free the same way einar and thorfinn were. That's as bad as what Gardar's master did to him if not worse

ogking31

@ogking31 I know Vinland is about being real and even tho i'm sad we didn't get one I actually like that the show took this route. It's unexpected and unpredictable which is what I love about this show and when I say "way before" I'm talking about back in S1 when Leif and Thorfinn reunited but got split up again. I've been looking forward to it since then not during this ep

Erica Collins

That, and it is also essentially acting as a direct repudiation of the idea of (and/or people who try to defend that concept) the "good slaver owner". That anyone who chooses to own other people, regardless of how "kind" they might act they are already committing an immoral practice. Ketil snapping and beating wasn't an aberration of the institution Ketil (and many others throughout history) chose to participate in, but rather was a feature of it.

Theo Vorster

dam that was rough to watch...2 straight episodes of just emotion holy fuck....lets be honest tho this is a slave world right and this dude ketil was tryna be the nicest slave owner there was but at the end of the day....you taking control of peoples lives by force and buying them and selling them. he did try to establish trust with them and he just snapped.....that was horrible what he did like holy fuck i guess its over for him

KeYo

Beating a helpless slave thats pregnant ain't savage bro, that's coward shit

EZ

brother dont b in comments spoiling shit, shit weird

DatKid_Kaneki

Yeah, usually made from low-carbon steel and with slag inclusions. Would have far worse quality, and be quite brittle. Some also had slight variations or additions to the inscriptions. VS would be set around the end of the time period where authentic Ulfberht swords were made, so any later ones would almost certainly be fake, but it's still highly plausible that Ketil's is a real one. I can't really decide which is more likely and compelling from a story perspective though. On the one hand, having a real one would (as you said) emphasise his wealth nicely. However, having a fake sword whose brittle quality makes it liable to break in a bad situation would be an incredible mirror to Ketil's character, his fake "Iron Fist" persona, his current breakdown...

Ledish

not saying the beating was justified but at the same time, ketil did just basically have his world go from 0-100 in a span of like 2-3 days

DatKid_Kaneki

Damn. Ketil went from 0 to Savage real quick. Mad respect.

Alkatros

Peakkk

chris dacon

Pretty sure he was a very skilled fighter tho just not with bare hands

Ruben Pomp

In general slave masters are usually violent towards slaves and would give them this type of punishment for the littlest things. Based on what Arnheid did by being an accessory to Gardar she normally would've got a punishment much worse than this like that one guard said but you can tell Ketil was hitting her for petty reasons, he didn't care about his men being killed.

Devin B

@Erica Collins the way before you're talking about was Snake couldn't permit them to see thorfinn UNTIL after Arnheid got beaten to death. It wouldn't work in any situation like this

ogking31

it's also pretty realistic how this played out. A happy reunion will get overshadowed by something that is distraught

ogking31

@DevinB I know. I'm talking about wayyyy before these problems even started I was just looking forward to a heartfelt reunion

Erica Collins

People doesn't know this especially those who defends ketil that this is essentially abuse of a human without their consent.

ogking31

this is not shounen... vinland saga is about as real as u can get when it comes to how people react on certain situation

ogking31

Too much shit was going on for there to be a heartwarming reunion

Devin B

I feel like a lot of people take the wrong thing from Ketil snapping. It's not just he was a weak man who 'finally show his true colors'. It's that anyone can do great evil. Even someone like Ketil who just cowards away from conflict. Heck, people seem to forget that Thorfinn himself also did horrible stuff during his ten years with Askeladd. In the manga, Thorfinn basically let a villager get gangrape by his group and just walked away and that was just one village. How many did Thorfinn group pillage and sack? Though what's great about Vinland Saga is that even though Thorfinn did a lot of bad shit and let a lot of things happen under his gaze, he trying to become a better person. He not running from his sins but shoulder them onward. I could go on about Thorfinn's character but that's enough for me.

Outcast107

Don't worry just wait for next episode that's all imma say without spoilers ofc

Dkai

A lot of knock-off Ulfberht swords were made too right? I guess Ketil owning a Ulfberht sword is either meant to be indicative of his family having owned one/passed it down, or perhaps instead to emphasize just how rich Ketil is, that he was able to amass so much wealth he was capable of obtaining a Ulfberht sword.

Theo Vorster

@Donovan Doyle I think he genuinely didn't want to hurt the children because he's just not a violent person. He's just delusional here. He's so fed up with everything going the opposite for him that he was on his last straw. To him he's done everything by being a nicer slave owner but he doesn't understand fully.

Aniki Pft

Next ep they catch up

EZ

I was really looking forward to a heartwarming reunion and this is what I get? 😭

Erica Collins

Hey Guys love the reaction it was amazing Also the vikings slavery was were you could earn or buy your freedom meaning also that Arnheid child wound not be a slave also if the father was not the "owner" were in the US it was chattel (Generational) slavery so your family would always be slaves

Oliver

A big point of this show is dealing with the horrible decisions that are made due to emotions. Askechad tried to teach this to Thorfinn in their duels. This season though, Arnheid made a decision in the heat of the moment (to free gardar) which cost those men their lives and then was followed with her attempting to grapple with the realization that she had blood on her hands. Now Ketil succumbed to his emotions and acted out of rage. Everyone in this show is a bag of garbage besides probably like Einar, Pater, and the Leif crew. It is a viking show afterall, alot of people got blood on their hands.

Narvosa

Here's my thing about the reunion. I would've loved to have seen the reunion between Leif and Thorfinn play out, been looking forward to it for months. However, I was literally so distraught and damn near disgusted with what had just transpired with Arnheid, that the tonal shift in going from the beating to a heartfelt and joyful reunion would've been way to off putting in my opinion. Like Roshi said, that whole event completely fried that reunion. So I appreciate how the mangaka treated this moment, since it was like this in the manga as well.

Jaden Coleman

i think they will show it as a flashback

Alex2882

i'm just sad we didnt see the thorfinn leif reunion tbh

MemeSaleem

I think this scene was made just for the justification of the author killing off Ketil and the destruction of his farm. Cause Ketil was too kind from the start to Thorfinn and Einar. if Knutt arrived with his army without a scene like this happening, there wouldn’t an easy way for Thorfinn and Einar to let go of the farm and abandon it if the story wanted to take that turn. And also for the viewers of course

Guns

It makes sense for the time and she was a slave, but have to admit from a modern perspective beating up women, children and disabled people it just gives me a cold chill it's just wrong

Oliver

"Last time on Norway" got me good.

Archer

Yes, Ketil the good guy who’s been so good to Arnheid by using her as a sex slave, why WOULD she want to escape?

YoungSalsa

Viking fact: Swimming in chainmail is incredibly difficult, except for Thors.

earthphoenix7068

It sucks that Thorfinn and Leif had to reunite during these circumstances. Kinda hard to be excited to see someone after a pregnant woman that you care about just got beaten to near-death. But that is the brutality of this time period.

samuel

the "Iron Fist Ketil" stuff is a fake story Ketil made so that ppl would respect him. im pretty sure he said that a few episodes ago when he was in Arnheids lap

Lash

Yeah we know he's a coward but who knows what a coward man would do if he was enrage and pit of desperation. Also back then having a sword is the equivalent of having a gun in your house just in case.

ogking31

26:32 yeah that brutal situation completely ruined the reunion for Thorfinn and Leif. I was disappointed with that when I read that part in the manga. Don't get me wrong, it's completely understandable that it shouldn't be an emotional reunion after what happened to Arhneid. The author commented on that just yesterday on Twitter that he wanted to make a dramatic union but literally, he couldn't make the scene of Leif and Thofinn hugging with emotion while Arnheid being brutally abused and Einer getting shocked

Saku

Yeah, he broke

Bosastar

For those who are interested in reading along with the manga, this episode adapted all of chapters 87 and 88 and the first two pages of chapter 89.

Theo Vorster

no we didnt forget, I literally mention it. It just seems like there may be some validity to it so I was confused, especially how he had the blicky in a special chest at the end like hes kratos

YaBoyRoshi

The kindest man in this show is absolutely Einar for me. Do you guys like Askeladd and Thorfinn. Then why? These two are getting celebrated, because they were the main characters that we followed in S1 and S2. . Ketil is getting RIGHTFULLY trashed talked after his mental breakdown and the beating of Arnheid. But at the same time. I see many fans getting hyped to see Askeladd and Thorfinn having their moments. Askeladd and Thorfinn are both terrible people. Just cause Askeladd was a smart capable warrior and Thorfinn said "Im sorry" after his killing spree. From my POV: Many are viewing them as great guys. They raided villages, sold Women and killed childrens. In the real world, everybody would fear and hate them. We would have never gave him a chance to start over.

Bob Bob

Ketil is not built like that. We even saw how he hated the idea of beating up that kid for stealing from him so you know he's a softy, he's definitely not the warrior people hyped him up to be.

Devin B

Guess the nice old slavemaster wasn't so nice after all. Who woulda known

John Smith

Completely agree, there’s no supporting him. The meatheads on twitter still trying tho “she tried to leave so she deserves it”

MWS

If you remember back when Thorgil returned to Ketil, Thorgil hyped him up a lot as "Iron Fist Ketil", and we got an internal monologue by Ketil, where he said it was cap

Alexander S

Yall already forgot Ketil was capping about being iron fist 😣 you guys need recap episodes I swear

EZ

The "Iron Fist Ketil" stuff is basically just a rumor. A myth. But no one bothers to fact check, and how should they? And he doesn't bother correcting anyone, because why should he?

Alexander S

So im going to assume Iron Man Ketil was not bullshit and that he was actually him. He also has every right to be mad but taking it out on a defenseless pregnant woman is a bitch movie imo.

Art of Trolling

Ye there's no defending ketil people need to realize he literally was always trash, looks for brownie points because he didn't want to beat 2 children who stole from his farm then proceeds to fuck arnehied who has no choice in the matter, just because his slaves were treated a little bit better doesn't change that to him they are just property

Deep

Me the whole time during that beating First Hit 😧 Second Hit 😰 Every Hit Afterwards 😱😭

Q

Fuck ketil

Nazmus Safwat

Reading this was tragic fr

Jaime Adam

True

EZ

majority of the people complaining about how long the scene was of gardar dying are probably kids or are just plain stupid... They actually need a pacifier

danial javady

LMFAOOOO bro ketil is actual fucking trash. When shit turns south he becomes a monstrous piece of shit. I actually fucking hate him

danial javady

Cool detail; the sword that Ketil draws at the end of the episode seems to be an Ulfberht sword. Around 170 of them have been found around Europe, all with the inscription +VLFBERH+T or +VLFBERHT+ on the blade. The majority of the swords have been found in Nordic countries, but they are made from a type of steel which was not made/used in Scandinavia at the time, and were most likely created by a Frankish smith (Ulfberht is a Frankish personal name), using techniques brought back from the Middle East (possibly with Byzantine prisoners of war).

Ledish

I don't even see how they can. Like, yeah Ketil was more kind towards his slaves but that doesn't change their circumstances or their standing. A slave is a slave, their freedom is still stripped away. I feel for Ketil but what does he expect.

Aniki Pft

Yeah he literally told arenis the one person he trusted that he was never HIM

EZ

Ketil has all the reasons to be going crazy, his world is crumbling, but taking it out on Arneis is just wrong, and fucked, Iron Coward Ketil

EZ

Alexander S

Ketil is wildin😤😭

Bosastar

Ketil Tate supporters incoming

MWS