Guru Election Special
Added 2024-11-04 01:34:51 +0000 UTCMatt and Chris dip their toes into the fetid, guru-infested swamp surrounding the 2024 U.S. election. Straining to see what lurks in the murky depths, they encounter dark shapes, including Eric Weinstein pledging his services to whoever wins (or will give him a call), Joe Rogan conspiracy hypothesizing with Donald Trump, the Free Press hosting a truly heterodox election party, Michael Moynihan pulling no punches, and finally, Jordan Peterson’s shockingly sycophantic psychological assessment of Donald Trump and his cohort.
Join Chris and Matt as they navigate the election discourse swamp and the ever-unsettling convergence of internet personalities and political power, examining how these online figures function like the courtiers of old—gathering around their would-be kings, flattering them with pseudo-profound or sycophantic praise, and vying to secure their place in the new order.
All very cheerful stuff, we’re sure you’ll agree!
Links
A Psychological Analysis of Trump’s Personality by Dr. Jordan B. Peterson | EP 492
Professor Dave Explains: The Problem With Sabine Hossenfelder
Matt Johnson's article on Joe Rogan: A Conspiracist for the Trump Era
Moynihan on Triggernometry: The Most Important Election in History - Michael Moynihan
QAnon Anonymous: Episode 211: Tulsi Gabbard P1 (The Cult) feat Mike Prysner
Comments
JP has no soul. Rogan has no integrity. I do not know how you endure these maggots so regularly and do not lose your minds.
Violet
2024-11-11 05:56:39 +0000 UTCWe literally did an episode on how right wing Rogan was, years ago. If you were surprised he would endorse Trump that’s on you. Also we endorsed Trump? Remind me when this happened? If you think Trump becoming president now means the gurus are going to be less relevant and less US focused, including outside the US, you are not paying attention.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-11-10 23:35:02 +0000 UTCJust listened to Matt’s caution about going through customs and immigration at the US border. I’m still scarred by my last experience five years ago and that was just to visit in-laws on my way back to Australia. We now use zoom to keep in touch. I’ll never visit the US again even though NY is just the best city in the world.
Frances Sebesta
2024-11-10 21:57:26 +0000 UTCThat Peterson part sounded like a parody. Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Jimmy Everyman
2024-11-08 14:45:43 +0000 UTCOh and Robert Wright remains terrible on anything international and likely secretly happy about Trump as an isolationist so maybe revise him as a jolly conversation .
Brainbiter
2024-11-08 14:40:51 +0000 UTCIncreasingly thinking that politics and culture are now inextricable. Chris ( and Matt) try to say that’s not what this is about. But Rogan has come out of the closet and endorsed Trump. As have all the other Gurus. As has DTG. But still trying to be scientific. One of the reasons I enjoy this is hearing non- American voices on podcasts currently dominated by a ludicrous country with a dark heart. Russia and China are clearly worse but speaking English has given US a pass. Behaviour in Israel has been disgraceful. Hope we can move on from a US centric viewpoint now. Let’s look at Europe, Japan and Australia for a while and twitter is no more.
Brainbiter
2024-11-08 14:37:05 +0000 UTCI genuinely have to akjp the JBP parts of these now because the degree of cringe induces physical suffering. Bret and Eric is comedic but Jordan is just too far.
James Lucas
2024-11-08 04:31:43 +0000 UTCyeah I'm holding on to this one until there's an after-election audio available 😅
JJ
2024-11-08 01:19:42 +0000 UTCWill listening to this after the outcome we had made me more depressed? If the idea of Trump winning is taken seriously I'll listen because that's the reality, but hearing too much hope about him not winning will feel like ... bad.
thefriz
2024-11-07 13:59:24 +0000 UTCRogan is a complete fucking moron, leading a plethora of bigger morons to a croc-infested waterhole. Trump himself, a bloated, senile Hippo, spraying shit everywhere.
Matt
2024-11-07 12:09:03 +0000 UTCthat last 50 minutes made me want to stab myself in my ears
peta austen
2024-11-07 09:41:02 +0000 UTCMatt: 'Human centipede of sycophancy' 🤣🤣 👌👌
Eleanor curry
2024-11-07 02:59:07 +0000 UTCSeems like Dana White joined the X-men. Was so cool to hear Joe Rogan mentioned in the presidential victory speech ✊ I wonder if he’ll get a government portfolio alongside Musk and Kennedy….
Chris Wishy
2024-11-06 11:05:33 +0000 UTCI chipped in for your birthday present, Chris. I really, really hope you get it.
Randy
2024-11-05 20:15:31 +0000 UTCEric and Lex should make a show together, it would be a centrist extravaganza
Michal Lichota
2024-11-05 18:58:00 +0000 UTCSurely JPB's garbage speech was AI-generated, optimized for maximum sycophancy. Either that or it was generated to reflect reality, then the antonym was swapped in for every adjective about Trump.
deanofcaffeine
2024-11-05 18:32:18 +0000 UTCWith a heavy heart, I decided to skip this one. I got an election overload lately. Even dropped out of the DtG chat because of the overwhelming bursts of activity there. Wondering whether that will subside a couple of weeks after the inauguration day riots... 😈
Roland Weber
2024-11-05 17:05:38 +0000 UTCPodcast about internet culture that overlaps somewhat with DTG and has been mentioned a couple of times on DTG.
Jed
2024-11-05 16:48:23 +0000 UTCI don’t know what that is.
Amy
2024-11-05 15:51:23 +0000 UTCIt's been a wild ride listening to Decoding the Gurus from the start while watching two friends fall down this guru rabbit hole. Their transformation concluded a couple of weeks ago when they started spouting anti-vax rhetoric (saying my friend has colon cancer because of the COVID vaccine) and then admitted that Trump was their candidate, all while being the biggest Elon fanboys. It shouldn't have been a surprise, considering how many episodes of DtG pointed to that progression. But damn, listening to Peterson go on and on about Trump and Elon is almost too hard to listen to now, even for fun. It just makes me angry.
Jess B.
2024-11-05 15:19:31 +0000 UTCI thought she sounded reasonable enough on Blocked and Reported, but perhaps you consider them anti-trans too?
Jed
2024-11-05 14:31:56 +0000 UTCI appreciate/hate that you have us listen to these clowns with you. The two solitudes. We will muddle through no matter what happens.
Tim Tripp
2024-11-05 13:42:15 +0000 UTCYoutube link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3jqALQgBzw
Tasty3141
2024-11-05 12:21:12 +0000 UTCYeah, that's fair. I think Sam in many ways is a centre-right figure but I think one possible distinction between him and a never Trumper is whether he would vote for Obama vs a Romney. I actually think now he might find it hard.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-11-05 10:52:06 +0000 UTCIt's good calling Rogan an antivaxxer, a conspiracy theorist, a partisan etc. He knows the stigma of the label is effective and hates it!
Alex H
2024-11-05 09:51:36 +0000 UTCNot one reference to social determinants of health. Such a privileged hyperindividulised approach to health coming from people who don't have a clue about public health. Ugh.😮💨 "Most Americans fall short of meeting the Dietary Guidelines recommendations. Over 50% of Americans consume at or above the recommended amount of grains and proteins but don’t meet the recommendations for each subgroup within the grain and protein food groups. The NHANES survey also indicated that over 80% of Americans have diets too low in vegetables, fruit, and dairy. A 2019 CDC report stated that 12.3% of American adults met the suggested fruit intake, and 10% met vegetable consumption goals." I think "chemicals" are the least of their worries when it comes to food. They got angry at Michelle Obama for trying to get kids eating fruit and veg in school.
Lys
2024-11-05 09:21:05 +0000 UTCFeels like the shape shifting gurus are finally revealing themselves. Superb episode.
Brian Gough
2024-11-05 07:55:20 +0000 UTCListening to this- believe it or not- as a distraction from whatever the heck is going to happen here in the US over the next 24 hours to (insert timeframe of your choice). Currently on the segment where Jordan Peterson gives an Academy Award performance of sycophancy. (Wow.. just wow. Does this guy live on the same planet I'm on?) Excellent episode, thank you. I'm still stressed, but the distraction with something even more bizarre than the reality I'm experiencing is, somehow, a relief. (Kinda like hitting a toe with a hammer as you're getting your appendix removed.)
Tom Yasko
2024-11-05 06:37:57 +0000 UTCIn news that surprises no one, Joe has officially endorsed Trump.
Ryan Booker
2024-11-05 03:35:13 +0000 UTC"Fuck off Jordan", "Fuck off". Appropriate response after that revolting display. And happy birthday Chris!
Will Oswald
2024-11-05 03:27:47 +0000 UTCListening to this right after Rogan endorsed Trump.
Sarah S
2024-11-05 02:48:04 +0000 UTC“Right wing” and “liberal” are 100% contradictory in an American context, as liberal there generally means being on the left. I agree that the word "liberal" is used differently in Australia and Europe, however in America (where Sam Harris is from), those words are indeed contradictory.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-11-05 02:14:35 +0000 UTCOh yep absolutely! Murray doesn't exactly hide his beliefs. He's pretty open about being a partisan, polemical nationalist conservative. Time after time, he endorses far-right populist politicians in Europe over more traditional establishment conservative ones. But what is more bizarre is others who try to paint Murray as way more moderate than he actually is. Harris does that a lot and hence it infuriates me. But you are right that we will never see Murray sit down with Cuban or Shapiro to argue in favour of Kamala. In fact, recently somebody asked him to comment about Tucker Carlson's anti-semitism, and Murray conveniently refused to comment on the matter. It's pure blatant intellectual dishonesty as if Tucker was on the left, Murray would dedicate hundreds of hours to attacking him viciously. On a side note about voting habits and public advocacy, I would just state that many conservatives have endorsed Kamala this election, including GOP stalwarts like Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney. However, we wouldn't suddenly classify them as liberals. Why Harris receives so much criticism (from me), is because he cosplays and self-identifies as a "liberal", while showing clear preferences for many right leaning policies and for engaging in extreme rhetoric on issues like torture, religious and racial profiling, immigration which are in direct opposition to traditional American liberal views.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-11-05 02:00:30 +0000 UTCMother of God, Jordan Peterson is a madman: that was so pathetic and embarrassing.
Sean Doody
2024-11-04 23:48:18 +0000 UTCSurely there is an important difference here in that you will never see Douglas Murray debating Ben Shapiro on why Kamala is better or putting out a podcast with Mark Cuban just before the election to slam Trump and praise Kamala. I agree Sam is on many policies right leaning but I think this is a distinction that matters. I put some weight on voting habits and more on public advocacy prior to an election.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-11-04 23:40:22 +0000 UTCNah i don’t buy that excuse anymore Ben. Harris has been friends with Murray for a decade now, the first podcast appearance was back in 2015. They have done several shows together and had countless dinners, Harris knows exactly what Murray is about and loves it. After all, he’s a bigoted reactionary as well.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-11-04 22:57:22 +0000 UTChttps://iview.abc.net.au/video/NC2403H022S00
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-11-04 22:53:41 +0000 UTCI also doubt that Sam knows exactly where Douglas Murray is politically on most topics. He just likes his stance on Muslim immigration to Europe.
Ben Godek
2024-11-04 22:44:28 +0000 UTCHappy birthday Chris!! Many thanks for all the work.
Jacob_3BP
2024-11-04 21:37:21 +0000 UTCCan someone point me to the ABC documentary about trump that Matt was talking about?
Edouard De Prez
2024-11-04 21:33:04 +0000 UTCIt’s very much an emperor’s new clothes world.
Linda Sears
2024-11-04 20:56:42 +0000 UTCMatt’s comparison to scheming, toadying courtiers of old is so spot on. It’s a character that’s been with us forever, but man, rarely so nakedly blatant as these “truth-telling free thinkers.”
Nancy Hale
2024-11-04 19:51:54 +0000 UTCAh you’re right Philip.
Ben Godek
2024-11-04 19:50:04 +0000 UTCDoubt that JBP cares much any more about professional psychologist practice ethics. As evidenced by his recent tussles with his provincial licensing board.
Nancy Hale
2024-11-04 19:27:48 +0000 UTCWas he referring to Tulsi Gabbard with that remark?
Philip Grant
2024-11-04 18:50:59 +0000 UTC‘tis true. There’s a couple of uses of a rather than an, but I’m letting those slide, because the dunking on these preposterous, self-aggrandising charlatans is too good.
john statham
2024-11-04 18:26:44 +0000 UTCWasn’t he talking about Ivanka with the “worthy first female president” stuff? The editing made it hard to tell, but Melania wasn’t born in the US so she wouldn’t be eligible. I Wouldn’t put it past Jordan to not realize that though.
Ben Godek
2024-11-04 18:20:54 +0000 UTCI’m halfway through but you guys need to talk more about Ana Kasparian! I remember people were predicting her grift a while ago when she went on an anti-trans pivot. It’s always the same story with TYT.
Amy
2024-11-04 16:58:15 +0000 UTCAnyway thanks for the update, I enjoyed it 👍
Erland Hvittfeldt
2024-11-04 16:19:30 +0000 UTChttps://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/01/world/middleeast/gaza-polio-crisis.html
Erland Hvittfeldt
2024-11-04 16:18:55 +0000 UTCImportant note: polio vaccine can cause polio and is believed to have done so in Gaza. Even a blind hen etc.
Erland Hvittfeldt
2024-11-04 16:18:46 +0000 UTCI was also wondering if he wrote that script. It sounds different from how he usually talks, but that could just be because he’s reading a script and not doing his usual asides and digressions.
Ben Godek
2024-11-04 16:16:12 +0000 UTCOr could that be the work of Chat GPT? I wonder if JBP came up by the comparisons to Avengers and what not by him self. You know - DC, the comics, not the state
kurdelis
2024-11-04 15:41:04 +0000 UTCAs I listen to the excerpts of Petersons rambling I have to wonder - does he writes this all himself? Or could it be that this was written by one of his interns - you know the fanboys who have taken the next step from just having dialogus before and now have become a part of this great platform.
kurdelis
2024-11-04 15:38:05 +0000 UTCThe self described centrist’s are the one on the horseshoe who mainly dabble in right wing conspiracies but will throw in a few token left wing conspiracies to show the balance of their opinions
Mark Francis
2024-11-04 15:34:16 +0000 UTCThe bulwark is my fav podcast. Not because I am on the center right but because it’s what rational debate looks like. Ezra Klein is very interesting too
Mark Francis
2024-11-04 15:24:01 +0000 UTCAll fair points! He’s very selective in his approach to fit the narrative. He plays the ‘subject supposed to know’ while adding a certain ‘little a’ into his speech. I doubt any formal analysis or psychometric evaluation is involved, hence its generality and selectivity.
CrystalJade
2024-11-04 14:52:37 +0000 UTCI believe Mr Statham is jocularly criticising Chris's grammar
John S Durst
2024-11-04 14:52:00 +0000 UTCOn some level, JBP must be aware that, as an alleged professional psychologist, he shouldn't be using psychometrics to publicly speculate about the psychology of public figures (the Goldwater Rule, etc). And tbf, he does come across as such a ludicrous, lickspittle of a sycophant that it is hard to take him seriously, so...technically...?
John S Durst
2024-11-04 14:44:08 +0000 UTCBill Kristol, I know! lol strange times
Jennifer Nelson
2024-11-04 14:37:32 +0000 UTCMegyn Kelly getting her little dig in, discovering things are true like “lab leak vs pangolin” - with zero pushback 🤬🤬😱
Jennifer Nelson
2024-11-04 14:18:35 +0000 UTCMan is unhinged and is honestly (as Matt said) suffering from mental illness. His rhetoric is that of a religious fanatic.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-11-04 14:10:44 +0000 UTCThat’s a conspiracist for you, “nobody” is talking about what literally everyone is talking about
Jennifer Nelson
2024-11-04 14:05:59 +0000 UTCOK I couldn’t wait after all so I’m listening. Pausing after the Joe Rogan segment. Good God that guy is a gullible, lazy thinker! The JFK Jr health back and forth was laughable. First off, if you look at state level health outcomes you’ll see that the least healthy states are MAGA. They have higher obesity rates but that’s not the main reason. There is a lot of economic disparity and health deserts with lots of folks living far away from health clinics and pharmacies. Also Republican governors tended to refuse the federal Medicaid expansion under Obamacare. Moreover, one of the healthiest lifestyle choices one can make is reducing red meat consumption and introducing more fruit and veg, but Trump goes on and on about beef and burgers, and the heterodox nutcases flog the “lion diet” eating themselves into cancer. They are ridiculous. And Rogan is so throughly convinced he’s a deep thinker. Not to mention, as you say, they totally elided the fact that Clinton conceded the election - on election night!
Jennifer Nelson
2024-11-04 14:04:52 +0000 UTCso much cringe my god
Protagonist Science
2024-11-04 13:51:34 +0000 UTCNo way
Billy Brouse
2024-11-04 13:37:54 +0000 UTCWhat
Billy Brouse
2024-11-04 13:37:45 +0000 UTCHe's pretty dumb man. I wish he would take some responsibility for the fact that he repeats anything he sees on the internet as fact without looking at it objectively. My brother is now a minion of conspiracy theories and propaganda due to Rogan and the people he's had on recently
Billy Brouse
2024-11-04 13:37:06 +0000 UTCI hate Joe rogans line that it's Taboo to talk election fraud. Like it's always been conspiracy theory zone. Moron
Rufus Evans
2024-11-04 13:27:51 +0000 UTC“Right wing” and “liberal” aren’t contradictory. If you look, from a comparative politics perspective liberal parties are often center right. It’s not surprising that he has a lot in common with never-trumper conservatives e.g David Frum because they tend to also be right wing liberals. Sam is more to the right of some issues than some of those types of conservatives but is more aligned with moderate democrats on others
rooftowel
2024-11-04 13:27:36 +0000 UTCWait, what? I though vaccines cause autism. Aids too now? I'm behind the curve... It's so hard to keep up these days
Chomagerider
2024-11-04 13:08:00 +0000 UTCAwesome! They definitely are my favourite voices at the Bulwark. Also like Tim and Bill Kristol (can’t believe Im saying that about Bill) haha!
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-11-04 13:07:52 +0000 UTCEric retreats into his cloud of ink. 🦑
Linda Sears
2024-11-04 13:03:46 +0000 UTCI agree. I’ve been listening to Longwell and Last regularly lately as voices of reason
Jennifer Nelson
2024-11-04 12:57:05 +0000 UTCInteresting discussion! The ethics of psychoanalysis. JBP might benefit from reading. Without disavowing these, and only going by their empty speech and public negation styles, my guess is that Trump is likely a pervert (disavowal of prohibition/the law), Peterson an obsessional neurotic (he likely knows what he’s doing but represses) and Musk maybe either a psychotic or a pervert, probably leaning towards the former. It’s just a view about negation style in the face of prohibition/transgression choices. Those are just my guesses from a Freudian/Lacanian standpoint. Here’s to hoping that the real returns to them all on election day!
CrystalJade
2024-11-04 12:54:42 +0000 UTC20 minutes in, Fluff! and it’s not the senior guru: ‘Would have went’. WTF! Unsubscribed! Love, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.
john statham
2024-11-04 12:52:00 +0000 UTCThanks!
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-11-04 12:36:10 +0000 UTCSo is RFK JR going to get rid of High Fructose Corn Syrup?
QueensAce
2024-11-04 12:09:48 +0000 UTCMan that Jordan Peterson segment was hard to get through. Talk about peak cringe. Also just letting his misogyny shine through when talking about the Trump family: no mention of Ivanka, who has quite a public profile, and only mentioning Melania, who was a good little woman who knew her place, unlike that witch Hilary Clinton.
Minya Scase
2024-11-04 11:13:53 +0000 UTCThat's an excellent breakdown of where Harris is politically. He's right wing but he's a political opponent rather than a political enemy. Which is where I'd put the vast majority of the heterodox grifters that get covered here.
Unfitforpurpose
2024-11-04 11:12:30 +0000 UTCMe too. It’s a nice balm in this stupid world.
Daniel Reed Miller
2024-11-04 10:59:00 +0000 UTCJordan Peterson, my God. Incredible. I am nearly speechless at the sheer derangement of him at this point, i mean even for him. A just breathtaking display of unhinged bootlicking sycophancy. It’s like he’s wearing opposite-world goggles. Thank you for your service in listening to the whole mind boggling thing and providing this take down. .
Daniel Reed Miller
2024-11-04 10:57:25 +0000 UTCLastly, Chris you will probably disagree with this but given the fact that Sam Harris said on Free Press that these days he will vote for Romney over Kamala; can we please stop referring to Sam Harris as a "liberal" or "centrist" going forward? IMO, best way to categorise him is as a Never Trump, secular, heterodox, neoconservative who holds pretty reactionary, hard-right wing views on many topics like Israel-Palestine, immigration, wokeness and other social issues. Harris has also mentioned in the past that he is pretty close to Douglas Murray politically. And yet we persist in the fantasy of calling him a liberal or center-left or something. All that said, I do acknowledge and hear you and Matt that Sam Harris arguing in favour of Kamala in that reactionary space is a net positive, at least for the purposes of this USA election where so much is at stake.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-11-04 08:29:20 +0000 UTCGreat discussion on the subject of "centrism" guys, the term honestly has become a joke! I mean there are real centrists out there but often the people self-describing themselves as "centrists", invariably turn out to be red pilled, right-wing morons. Or people of the Michael Moynihan variety who put on this "I'm reasonable" shtick but make it clear through their coverage of topics, weighting of criticisms and application of silence, where their biases and partisanship lies. It's just right wing hackery masquerading as centrism. I guess if you are wanting to listening to real centrist voices, there are some interesting examples in the Never Trump / independent world. I highly recommend voices like Professor Tom Nichols, Jonathan V Last and Sarah Longwell of the Bulwark, Anne Applebaum, Noah Smith, Matt Yglesias or Joshua Reed Eakle from Project Liberal. These are some actual "centrist" voices I can think off from the top of my head.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-11-04 08:12:01 +0000 UTCNah hard disagree. I wouldn't consider him a centrist. He is more a secular, heterodox, right wing, Never Trump neoconservative. He is far to the right of many moderate Never Trumpers as well, given his fawning over Douglas Murray, Charles Murray, support for torture, racial profiling. That is not even to mention his bigotry, his spreading of Eurabia conspiracy theories, his one dimensional, far-right views on Israel-Palestine. As the boys discussed on the pod, Harris himself said on Free Press that he is closer to the ideology of Mitt Romney and will vote for him over Kamala Harris. He is only doing so for Kamala because the alternative is Trump. All that said, I do acknowledge that Sam Harris arguing in favour of Kamala in that reactionary space is a net positive, at least for the purposes of this USA election where so much is at stake. However, that does not make Sam Harris a liberal or centrist, not remotely close!
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-11-04 08:07:42 +0000 UTC„I‘m busy roaming“ – Matt‘s a cat confirmed 🐈
mobitobi
2024-11-04 08:00:03 +0000 UTCSam Harris is the sole person holding the line in that space. He is on an island all by himself. I have often wondered if his ability to stay out of the gravitational pull of the right is because he has been independently successful with his platform. He never needed to trade on other people's audiences or have ad revenue etc.
Kyle
2024-11-04 07:24:11 +0000 UTCLol I will never get tired of the Eric Weinstein dunking. Man's a special case! So hilarious to hear Cernovich go after him for his galaxy brained nonsense, even though Cernovich himself is a revolting, repulsive and racist individual.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-11-04 05:36:43 +0000 UTCAgain preaching to the choir. But the hypocrisy of the health rant is unbearably!!! To me Trump himself is a living breathing illustration of how much wealth supersedes lifestyle factors when it comes to health. I belong to an international online support group for my rare disease. And last year I had a surgery which I paid $600 for but I believe the full price was $17,000. I just saw a poor American lady who pays hundreds of dollars a month for private health insurance but they are refusing to pay for her surgery and the surgeon has quoted her $100,000 for the exact same brain surgery I got for $17,000 in Australia. And my surgeon was one of the best in the world for this type of surgery. I have so much sympathy for sick Americans!
Emma
2024-11-04 05:36:09 +0000 UTCThe heterdox can critique Trump, weakly. And ham up the critiques of democrats. But who they can absolutely not critique, is Joe Rogan.
Kyle
2024-11-04 05:15:00 +0000 UTCJill stein’s interview with Mehdi Hasan was a train wreck
Mark Francis
2024-11-04 04:41:26 +0000 UTCWe will survive the fools and we will be stronger for it in the long run
Mark Francis
2024-11-04 04:31:44 +0000 UTCA distant mirror is easily one of my favourite books. It gives me hope when Tuchman points out that enough sane people survived the calamitous 14th century that these survivors rejects old dogmas and were able to birth the era of the renaissance and the empirical school of thought off the ashes of the worst century for humanity in history…
Mark Francis
2024-11-04 04:14:39 +0000 UTCMy theory is that JP used the Delorean from Back to the Future and went to the past, meddled with a few things, then jumped to a timeline where Trump is benevolent and came back, but still thinks he’s in the other timeline
S Alexandra
2024-11-04 04:11:33 +0000 UTCGood lord JP! What the hell are you on about RE the Trumps?! Couldn’t be wronger 😂😂😂
S Alexandra
2024-11-04 03:59:10 +0000 UTCYou made me nervous!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-11-04 03:38:24 +0000 UTC"But OPV causes AIDS!...maybe" /Matt Ridley.
Robert Andrews
2024-11-04 03:18:52 +0000 UTCLooking forward to listening to this. I wish we could have an American presidential election every year. It would be like Christmas, but maybe the magic would wear off.
Robert Andrews
2024-11-04 03:17:20 +0000 UTCI love that moment before reading, “that said…” on a long post, because you never know what kind of winding path you’re about to take
S Alexandra
2024-11-04 02:58:08 +0000 UTCThanks for the further detail. :)
Heather Geverding
2024-11-04 02:54:51 +0000 UTCFrom what I understand from listening to This Week in Virology it’s the older technology, OPV (oral polio vaccine) that can lead to vaccine derived polio - as you say not from individual vaccine doses but from the weakened vaccine mutating due to insufficient vaccine coverage in a population - and the newer IPV (inactive) that doesn’t. But OPV is cheaper so it’s used in 3rd world countries’ vaccination programs. Still better than letting polio run rampant, but using IPV everywhere would be better
Jennifer Nelson
2024-11-04 02:34:10 +0000 UTCChris worries about audio kind of like me which means you worry about it way too much
Dr Badmouth
2024-11-04 02:28:07 +0000 UTCI can’t bring myself to listen to this until after the election, but I will!
Jennifer Nelson
2024-11-04 02:27:26 +0000 UTCStill mid-listen, but popping in to say vaccine-derived polio is a real thing. Known, documented and tracked by the standard medical institutions. Not caused by getting a vaccine, but there is circulating virus that causes disease that came from the weakened version in the original vaccines.
Heather Geverding
2024-11-04 02:18:27 +0000 UTCNew DTG episodes make me cheer and be happy.
Matty Laycock
2024-11-04 01:44:34 +0000 UTCLet's go!!
Dr Badmouth
2024-11-04 01:40:15 +0000 UTC
