Gabor Maté: Achieving Authenticity, Tackling Trauma, and Saving Society
Added 2024-08-03 06:29:37 +0000 UTCJoin Matt and Chris as they delve into the captivating realm of Gabor Maté, the Hungarian-Canadian physician renowned for his unconventional perspectives on trauma, stress, and addiction.
As they reminisce about their early childhood experiences, they explore whether unprocessed trauma has steered them towards a life engulfed by modern gurus. They also discover insights on how to stay true to their authentic selves, avoid manifesting debilitating illnesses, and break free from the toxic quagmire of modern life.
With atmospheric storm sound effects setting the scene in the early segments, tune in for cheerful discussions about childhood trauma and abuse, emotional repression, and the unexpected cause of female cancer.
The episode also includes some classic YouTuber motifs/wisdom, courtesy of "Diary of a CEO" host Stephen Bartlett.
Get ready to uncover the authentic crystal butterfly within, cast of the myth of normality, and soar.
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I appreciated when Matt framed the calls for authenticity as an expression of contemporary culture; that was a 💡moment for me!
Lori Kiel
2024-08-20 17:56:13 +0000 UTCI've recently attended events where I've been encouraged to 'be my true, authentic self', surrounded by people nodding their heads enthusiastically while my inner, somewhat perplexed voice screams loudly 'Wtf is that even???' 😳
Lori Kiel
2024-08-20 17:49:19 +0000 UTCI prefer Szabo's Dreams to Maté's
Matt
2024-08-12 10:44:37 +0000 UTCJournal of Psychosomatic Research Volume 6, Issue 2, April–June 1962, Pages 123-127 Personality in male lung cancer patients David M. Kissen H.J. Eysenck https://doi.org/10.1016/0022-3999(62)90062-4 Abstract A preliminary account is given of a controlled personality investigation of 116 male lung cancer patients and 123 male non-cancer controls, in respect of extraversion and neuroticism, using the short form of the Maudsley Personality Inventory. The study was undertaken as one test of a hypothesis that lung cancer patients had a significantly diminished outlet for emotional discharge as compared with non-cancer patients. Account was taken of the presence or absence of a history of psychosomatic disorders in both lung cancer patients and non-cancer controls. The main findings, which are tentative, are that lung cancer patients are somewhat extraverted and markedly lower in neuroticism compared with non-cancer controls, and that there may be interaction effects with psychosomatic disorders. The available evidence suggests that lung cancer patients have personality features distinct from (1) the general cigarette smoking population, (2) non-cancer patients with a history of commonly accepted psychosomatic disorders, and possibly (3) patients with cancer in other sites.
Nancy Hale
2024-08-10 00:06:03 +0000 UTCBecause I’m an inauthentic people-pleaser, I felt obligated to find the emotional repression in male lung cancer patients study that Mate’ cited . . .
Nancy Hale
2024-08-10 00:00:29 +0000 UTCI liked the part when Matt said, "No worries, Maté" and "G'day Maté". Seriously, this guy is a snooze on 2x. Gaboring.
Roscoe 112
2024-08-08 05:39:29 +0000 UTCMaybe it’s just me, but the pseudo-profound bullshit excreted by Mate and Dr K is massively more annoying than the psychotic babble spewed by Brett Weinstein.
Martin Birch
2024-08-07 13:01:45 +0000 UTCIronically, that’s very authentic of you
Idan Ca
2024-08-07 05:53:48 +0000 UTCAs an American (and New Yorker) I have to say that I am so sick of the word “authentic” and my authentic self wants to punch the people who utter the words “authentic self”, in my presence, in the mouth.
Neely McCormick
2024-08-07 04:32:00 +0000 UTCI remember watching Tony Robbins' "documentary" on Netflix and there was a scene where he instructs a woman to break up with her boyfriend over the phone, right then and there, in the middle of the seminar, based on a very short interaction with her in which he could "sense" that she "wasn't complete". Tony goes on and on about wanting to help the world etc. but what about the poor boyfriend on the other end of the phone? Does he not qualify because he didn't pay for a ticket? -- I once took a gig as a ghostwriter for one of these people (I won't name names) and I can tell you, that was a FASCINATING look into how that rancid sausage is made: - Incredibly performative gestures of 'gratitude' to his white team while treating his Filipino virtual assistant like shit and berating him in the team Slack channel for minor errors. - Living as an expat in The Bahamas and refusing to be vaccinated while frequently travelling back and forth to Miami. - Giving his 13 yo stepson ayahuasca because of behavioural issues (he told me this after a few beers the first time we met). - Finally, commissioned a tonne of work from freelancers in a last-ditch effort to save his business, knowing that he had no money to pay us if the project didn't work. It didn't work, he went broke, and we all got stiffed. Unsurprisingly, people in his team were 'supportive' and 'compassionate' toward him even though he knowingly fucked them out of thousands of dollars. Ultimately I was relieved, though, because doing the work and writing his bullshit really did a number on my conscience. I've since become a lot more stringent with who I'm willing to work with.
Will
2024-08-07 02:11:28 +0000 UTCEntering my 3rd year with a psychologist after 3 suicide attempts. The very problem with these self help gurus and life coaching is that they don't look at the overall situation, the partner, the family, or whoever and think of the consequences of telling someone you can have whatever you so desire, you just have to act. Even worse when that person lives in this "space" which is no different to an addiction. You don't help a drug addict by feeding them drugs, an alcoholic by giving them alcohol. Equally you don't help someone who lives in this pseudoscience world in search of "something" by using a life coach with a spiritual based ideology who says the universe will look after you no matter what you do. Which reminds me of another thing she said in a conversation i overheard with her boss. "Whether I made the right decision, or the wrong decision, the universe will have my back" I had thought I had pieced it all together, created a website to share my concerns about the coaching and L&D world called magicalthinkers.com . Yet then I hear this podcast I learn another piece of the puzzle that had still left me wondering where "authenticity" & "living her authentic" live meant. Matt & Chris sum it up perfect as it related to her and how she sees herself and what she wanted.
Peter
2024-08-07 00:12:32 +0000 UTCThis is a horror story and I wish I had something better to say other than I hope you're ok, but I do hope you're ok.
HustleTron9000
2024-08-06 13:03:11 +0000 UTCI’m so sorry, Peter. What a terrible experience.
Linda Sears
2024-08-06 12:57:34 +0000 UTCAh man, that sucks. I have a brother who my family lost to new-age spiritual beliefs. And yeah, coincidentally, his authentic self happened to be a total piece of shit, too.
Will
2024-08-06 11:56:05 +0000 UTCStill only halfway through it as I have rewound so many time already. I have had to navigate a lot this last 3 year in understanding what happened to my wife. This episode so far with authenticy, has been a big trigger to one part i never fully understood. A little background, my wife is a self help nerd, or as she would rather call it investor in self development. At a guess she would have close to 500 books on self help. Starting with the guru Tony Robbins, Christiane Northrup, Gabby Bernstein, and the last one i know she bought was by Marci Shimoff. SO not just self help, but a spiritual aspect as well. She started a new job, a job she had never done before. A L&D trainer at a uni. SO she had to learn this L&D program that she would be implementing. The program was created by a coaching company which seem to base it around Ken WIlbers Integral Theory. They also offered her workplace coaching. I knew nothing of either of these when she started, When she told me about the program just months into it, i called it cult like, she agreed and said i was not the first to say so. Ironic considering my learnings since of Ken Wilber & the coaching companies philosophies. Other than adopting a 4 quadrant program on relationships to the workplace, they also wanted people to use what they learn in everyday life. Oh also, there was this special 5th quadrant for high IQ people. Bringing it back to authenticity. I could never understand why she was talking about being her authentic self. Her authentic self for 25 years of marriage was being a kind, loving, compassionate person. Family orientated, marriage was sacrosanct. I was her rock in life and she mine. She was my world. So all of a sudden, her "new" authentic self became someone who would have an affair, who would lie to her family, me, herself, her boss. Then it is mentioned how that people holding you back from getting that ideal life you are entitled to. How people search for labels like people pleasers to justify a position so that they can be authentic. She told me she could not be with me as she was a people pleaser. She had decided she always puts me first and was missing out as I was putting my kids first and never fulfilled her needs. My kids were very good sportsman and required a lot of attention to get to events and would have sports on Saturday & Sundays and took up a lot of time. While she was happy to bask in their glory, in the end punishing me for their success which wouldn't have come without my time. It was her choice not to be a part of it, preferring time alone in her "world" of self development. So while she has had these pseudoscience beliefs for a long time, been reading and learning. None of it had an impact on our marriage. All of the downside came after starting this new job, and being coached. Learning to speak "My Truth" with "My Integrity" so as to live an authentic life. Whilst i never fully understood the authentic talk. Listening to Matt and Chris explain it, it is exactly where she ended up. To her i was holding her back because of her unsaid needs. She was super proud of the success of the kids and the work i had done, yet her needs were not met. Her needs as i have found out since was A new house, wealth, travel etc, manifested with the help of the universe. Ironic again as i was the one who supported her taking this new job, in fact i was always the one who had more faith in her ability that she did. Authenticity to these people is changing to become the person you want to be in that perfect world. Where as her authentic self was that caring, compassionate, loving woman who would do anything for anyone. But self help labels like people pleasing gives them a sense of they are missing out. Enneagrams and MBTI used to tell people who they are. Coaches telling you that you are entitled to whatever life you can "afford". After we separated she even sent me a copy of 5 love languages to show how incompatible we are, with no self awareness of who wrote it and the lack of science behind it. 25 years together and nothing but love, then she entered an echo chamber that ignited the flame of self help with the help of a coach who allowed her to look back and nit pick our marriage, even to the point of her telling me, she didnt really like the colour of the brick on the house we bought, to prove her point about us. Giving her permission to leave so you can be your authentic self. The shame of it all is there is nothing authentic in what she did. She learned to unlove me, she learned she could have a different life and was entitled to it, she learned a new way to look at relationships, rather than enjoy the one she had. She learned to commit to change for changes sake due to the coaches Neuro-Semantic & NLP ideology. Axes of change. She had an affair with was unauthentic, as he found out when he walked away after realising she was acting irrationally. She was getting all the support from the coach and her workplace, but couldn't be honest and say she initiated it all with an affair, instead blaming me. 9 months sending mixed messages to me as she struggled with her authenticity, she still had feelings for me, but has committed to change. Then finally walks away weeks after telling me she was confused, she still had feelings. You can't have both, so 2 months later has a new man in her life, a man manifested by the universe. Such authenticity in what she had done. Everything Matt & Chris mention on authenticity explains how she saw the world. There is no doubt she would have read Gabor Mates and listened to him. Eckhardt Tolle is another. In the words of her friend who she asked why she was doing what she was doing to our marriage. "To be the best you can be, and to bring out the goddess within".
Peter
2024-08-06 06:34:19 +0000 UTCYeah, "authenticity" irks me, too. The example that springs to mind is pedophile rockstars in the 60s taking Aleister Crowley saying "do what thou wilt" to heart. If your authentic self is attracted to minors, maybe you should suppress that shit?
Will
2024-08-06 05:44:45 +0000 UTCFWIW, Four Psychologists Two Beers re-released the episode with an added intro making it clear that they were playing devil's advocate and that the arguments were unfair. https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/two-psychologists-four-beers/id1387529624?i=1000629443026 The episode is interesting so far, though. I do wonder if you guys could afford to be as skeptical if you were working with patients and were responsible for their well-being. It seems like practising psychologists have to balance their skepticism with a willingness to try things (even if the evidence isn't as strong as it could be) to be effective at what they do. It's pretty well documented that not everybody responds to CBT (even though it does have the strongest evidence base behind it). It seems irresponsible to not consider alternative approaches because of disagreements with specific experimental designs and potential biases when facing the possibility of a patient potentially harming themselves or others. Obviously, there are limits (see. Ayurveda), but surely you'd need to take slight leaps of faith on incomplete evidence to do your job properly. I know it's an old argument about practitioners vs. academics etc. and I think I remember you guys touching on it in the Dr. K episodes. Just curious to see where you land, here.
Will
2024-08-06 04:46:41 +0000 UTCGot it, thanks Chris!
Will
2024-08-06 02:20:54 +0000 UTCGreat to hear your takes on Gabor. I heard him once talk about rheumatoid arthritis being due to stress and more prevalent in women because they undergo more stress than men and thought that sounds absolutely batshit… he has been recommended to me a bunch of times by smart people so I was left scratching my head on this one. 🙏
Chris Wishy
2024-08-06 01:21:22 +0000 UTC"How am I not myself?" - I Heart Huckabees
Adam Sher
2024-08-05 16:27:30 +0000 UTCAgree with Matt, inauthenticity is underrated.
Adam Sher
2024-08-05 15:40:21 +0000 UTCMe too. They should definitely do a Wim Hoff-decoding.
Laughing Sphincter
2024-08-05 06:35:35 +0000 UTCThis is a review of meta-analyses, out of the 20 meta-analyses examined, 2 are partially credited and 2 are affirmatively credited with having statements that the methods *for the meta-analysis* were determined in advance. So, this would be 2 or 4 out of 20 meta-analyses of ACT, in which they state methods were determined in advance. This is not necessarily the same as pre-registration, nor is it indicative that the studies they are meta-analysing are pre-registered, indeed I would be surprised if any were before around 2018. My argument is not therefore dismiss the study but rather that you are dealing with the very real issue of publication bias and a research literature that is dominated by studies from advocates.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-08-05 05:46:38 +0000 UTCI might have tossed out a few studies without thinking about them too much because yes, I admit I have a bias. Here's a review of meta-analyses on Acceptance and Commitment therapy (which involves some elements of mindfulness, but no meditation): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212144720301940#sec4 As far as I can tell (and granted I have only an undergrad in psych under my belt, so very happy to be proven wrong) this does seem to meet your criteria re. prior registration and not performed by advocates etc.
Will
2024-08-05 05:10:43 +0000 UTCGood episode. I like the connection to Rousseau. Authenticity is often a great thing, but that doesn't mean everyone is living a lie if they don't follow all their dreams.
Trees
2024-08-04 19:02:38 +0000 UTCI wonder if there's a commonality in these clinician gurus where a frustration with not being able to fully help patients or explain their illnesses leads the clinician to seek alternative approaches and theories? Besides Dr. K and Gabor Maté, Dr. John Sarno comes to mind. In his book The Mindbody Prescription, he specifically talks about his frustrations with not being able to help patients with chronic pain that led to his finding his own approach which focused on emotions and repression.
brianshmrian
2024-08-04 19:00:23 +0000 UTCThe big issue I have with “authenticity” as a concept is that I think you can’t help but be true to yourself. Everyone is the sum total of all the things they’ve done and thoughts they’ve had. It seems like a way to arbitrarily isolate personality flaws and actions you regret from your “true” self.
Ben Godek
2024-08-04 17:46:25 +0000 UTCThanks ill give that a listen. The gabor mate episode was excellent. Striking similarities between him and drs huberman and k
Charlie Friedberg
2024-08-04 12:02:23 +0000 UTCI think Matt spoke too strongly but I also think that the studies you point to are not doing the heavy lifting you suggest Will. For example see... Van Dam, N. T., Van Vugt, M. K., Vago, D. R., Schmalzl, L., Saron, C. D., Olendzki, A., ... & Meyer, D. E. (2018). Mind the hype: A critical evaluation and prescriptive agenda for research on mindfulness and meditation. Perspectives on psychological science, 13(1), 36-61. Pinniger, R., Brown, R. F., Thorsteinsson, E. B., & McKinley, P. (2012). Argentine tango dance compared to mindfulness meditation and a waiting-list control: A randomised trial for treating depression. Complementary therapies in medicine, 20(6), 377-384. or listen to this episode of Two Psychologists, Four Beers: https://www.fourbeers.com/27 If you restrict yourself to preregistered, high-powered studies not conducted by advocates for a given practice, with good controls... how does the literature look?
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-08-04 09:06:47 +0000 UTCThat being said, this is only for depression, and even within this study CBT appears to better maintain long-term reductions in depression symptomatology
Password1234!
2024-08-04 02:34:15 +0000 UTCI think Matt might have oversimplified the literature there a little bit, or his understanding may be a little out of date. This review seems to have a quite a rigorous methodology assessing CBT vs Other Psychotherapies vs Pharmacotherapies, and (as can be expected) the findings are somewhat messy: https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=2020&q=%22cbt%22+AND+%22psychotherapy%22+AND+%22meta+analysis%22&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1722738232104&u=%23p%3DaFv22l8tbpsJ.
Password1234!
2024-08-04 02:33:08 +0000 UTCThat is actually flat out incorrect. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6995449/ https://contextualscience.org/act_randomized_controlled_trials_1986_to_present https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25547522/
Will
2024-08-04 01:54:12 +0000 UTCAt one point matt says there’s basically no evidence that talk therapy is helpful other than CBT. Can someone link me to a source for that?
Charlie Friedberg
2024-08-03 23:40:39 +0000 UTCI think he straddles a weird line.
JGraves
2024-08-03 23:30:35 +0000 UTCI think it might be interesting to do Bessel Vanderkolk as well because I think he has some guruish tendencies, but he’s more well respected. But I’ve heard mixed reviews. I went to an Institute of his about 10 years ago and I used to go see him do grand rounds at the Trauma Center. I don’t know there’s, there’s something compelling about the way he presents and maybe it is because he’s the kind of guru I would fall for. I guess that’s why I would be interested in Matt’s view especially because he seems very good at analyzing studies. I just don’t know if he really overstates some of the stuff he says around mindfulness and how trauma is contained in certain parts of the brain. I also know that he’s a big proponent of EMDR and I know that doesn’t have a lot of scientific evidence. I just be interested in how you see him overall.
JGraves
2024-08-03 23:29:13 +0000 UTChttps://x.com/michaelshermer/status/1819862149315109304
Robert Andrews
2024-08-03 22:40:05 +0000 UTCHey, Paul Offit (!) mentioned your podcast episode with Worobey, Andersen and Holmes in response to Michael Shermer doing a podcast with Jay Bhattacharya.
Robert Andrews
2024-08-03 22:39:27 +0000 UTCI came out of this one a bit disappointed. There were a few good insights that I appreciated, but this episode didn't feel as deep or as well-researched as other episodes, especially coming after Dr. K. This may be at least partly because I'm a lot more familiar with Mate's online interviews and his work than I am with most gurus'. So during the episode i had a lot of 'yes but' moments, and I would easily notice missed opportunities to steel man his arguments and also some missed opportunities to criticise some of his tendecies (like Mate's frequent use of etymology to make a substantive point). If my authentic feedback upsets you, then perhaps a more positive and inspiring spin on it is that I simply wanted more decoding and I felt a bit sad when it ended, like when a film ends abruptly and you think 'is that it?'.
DJ Wearing
2024-08-03 21:38:41 +0000 UTCWell done! I think a more helpful notion than being authentic is having self-awareness or self-knowledge. If a person feels like they are being pushed to be a doctor by their parents, yet they get squeamish around bodily fluids, then becoming a doctor to please them and gain status would be a really bad idea. It irks me when people are bullied to “be themselves” by doing what feels authentic for the person telling them to do something. Example- the truly awkward person at the party being told to “be themselves” and dance as if dancing is the only way to be authentic. I say this as a person who loves dancing. And I have been guilty of being “that” person.
Linda Sears
2024-08-03 18:01:13 +0000 UTCThing is there *is* a great argument that trauma effects people's smoking habits: People who are stressed take quick, upper chest breaths, and this can become habitual. Combined with smoking, this creates a focus on the tar and other toxins in the upper part of the lungs, concentrating them on a small patch of areole, increasing the exposure, and increasing the risk of cancer. And my citation for that argument is that I made it up right now and I think it's pretty great. Edit: I asked 20 medical doctors, and one of them didn't say 'you're an idiot', so a statistically significant number of doctors don't think that argument is complete idiocy.
Ymirsdreams
2024-08-03 15:37:09 +0000 UTCHe sounds like Johnny Depp. (Some people might think that’s a good thing)
Dada de Broglie
2024-08-03 15:31:46 +0000 UTCPalitative
Jenson
2024-08-03 15:31:02 +0000 UTCThought this was a pretty good, tight episode. Maté clearly doesn’t seem to be an evil megalomaniac and clearly does have real trauma in his background so it was hard to parse but he is a secular guru using a sciencey perspective so thought it was reasonable critique as woo at times , cherry picking etc.. guy is quite old so felt a bit harsh at times but tbh main takeaway was Bartlet is insufferable. Like insufferable.
Brainbiter
2024-08-03 15:01:09 +0000 UTCAmazing- got to the end - genuinely thought you’d crack.
Brainbiter
2024-08-03 14:54:14 +0000 UTCNot sure if this matters or not, but at the end of the description, “of” should be “off.”
Linda Sears
2024-08-03 12:52:59 +0000 UTCIf you ever decide to dip into the non-dual world, Scott Kiloby has done a massive turn into 'cancer as suppressed anger' in the last 18 months. I suspect this may be linked to Gabor Mate.
Nina Davies
2024-08-03 11:43:30 +0000 UTCBlimey. This was so much my world at one time, working in a 12 step recovery rehab. When you swim in the soup of it all it is almost impossible not to take on the world view. Then, as my neuro untypical family hit the teenage years, I started to attend therapy myself .... which is a very long story of me convincing myself that all manner of crap was useful in some way (I was basically lonely and isolated and needed someone to talk to). I feel quite nauseous after listening you latest decoding. I have so many friends that love him - along with the chap that does the cold showers and ice baths.
Nina Davies
2024-08-03 11:00:23 +0000 UTCThank you for saying that Poland is much better country than England, 100% agree.
aneladgam_varelse
2024-08-03 10:42:22 +0000 UTCI should also clarify, that mainstream medicine is really good at working with trauma where it exists, despite what Gabor and other gurus tell us. And I certainly did experience it / worked through with medical help. I guess the message that you should rock up to the doctor every week doesn’t really sell books…
S Alexandra
2024-08-03 10:31:18 +0000 UTCTale as old as time…but wouldn’t you know it, boring old mainstream medical treatment works for my severe lady ADHD! Eating well, exercising, resting, giving up booze, going to the doctor, evidence-based medication protocols blah blah blah. Reality is, I live in the best time to exist as a woman with ADHD, and what does it matter to others that many of us ladies are medicated. It feels a little moral panicky to me. My female ancestors likely had ADHD too, they were “repressed” or “suppressed” and lived through traumatic circumstances. But they also raised families and lived full lives. I intend on spending my finite intellectual energy on something a little more interesting than… mine or my ancestors trauma or repression… but that’s just me 😂
S Alexandra
2024-08-03 09:46:24 +0000 UTCEveryday we inch closer to unveiling the inner core of our authentic mode of being. We just need to show up and “do the work”. Even if that means responding to an advert for a drink that tastes like dishwater and sugar free Ribena. By purchasing it and consuming it we inch along, ever closer to that perfect authentic self. You can almost feel the shackles of your modern false self dissolve when you taste the glory of the Huel.
Chris Clark
2024-08-03 08:52:05 +0000 UTCWas just in Vancouver, can confirm drug problems are worse due fentanyl lacing 😳 I was shocked to see someone running over to give naloxone to someone and found out the general public carry these kits and businesses hold them because it's so common. My 17 yr old cousin has had to administer 4 in Edmonton just coming across overdoses. Not something we have to deal with in Australia, yet anyway...
Lys
2024-08-03 08:51:07 +0000 UTCI took the higher road
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-08-03 08:50:09 +0000 UTCRecently I was taught that divorce by itself isn’t traumatic to children - as long as parents keep their divorce drama away from children
aneladgam_varelse
2024-08-03 08:44:57 +0000 UTCCurious what DTG make of the Carefree Wandering channel. Semi related> his thesis is we’ve moved from sincere> authentic> profilic cultures. It’s a broad one with holes in it fore for sure. But his book is at least interesting and well argued. Made me think of our Hueltastic Steve Bartlett. He’s performing authenticity in service of his profile. I make the thesis sound more basic than it is. But I find him (Hans Moeller-the CFW guy) quite often compelling. He has a few excellent takes on the big boy JP as well. I’d actually love to hear Chris and Matt interview him. Not JP. Hans Moeller. Food for thought anyway. Sorry I mean Huel for thought. It enhances your cognitive capacity especially if consumed in full sunlight near some random chirping sparrows.
Chris Clark
2024-08-03 08:41:22 +0000 UTCOne of my lolcows is a polish podcaster Joanna Okuniewska. She has a trauma of being born as younger child (has 1 older sibling), because she didn’t consent to having siblings. She’s also traumatized by her mom who was making a cake and didn’t listened to young Joanna when she complained about something at school.
aneladgam_varelse
2024-08-03 08:35:30 +0000 UTCI did this experiment a while ago myself and the total satisfaction I felt at having my suspicions confirmed about it tasting like mildly sweet dishwater almost made it worth it. Thank you for reminding me of this and helping me to share my true authentic self!
Recalcitrant Goat
2024-08-03 08:31:37 +0000 UTC10 mins in … will Chris mention at any point which famous journalist Gabor is father to…..the urge must be huge…
Brainbiter
2024-08-03 07:56:20 +0000 UTCChris’ squeaky voice is a thing to behold.
Chris Clark
2024-08-03 07:23:34 +0000 UTCGiggling at the Huel ad read. What am I supposed to feel about it, it’s great because the Board members are excited about their own product? Sounds like it tastes like corporate decision-making mmmmm
S Alexandra
2024-08-03 07:21:50 +0000 UTCGonna be a fun one this, I can feel it. I bought a bottle of Huel last week just to test it out. It has a shelf life of about 300 years. It tasted like puréed weetabix and mushy peas, with low sugar ribena added for flavour plus some starchy old tap water. Was disgusting. It also didn’t make me feel full at all. An hour later I had a bowl of roast potatoes and felt much better. And then had to have a nap.
Chris Clark
2024-08-03 07:06:33 +0000 UTCPalliative
James P.
2024-08-03 06:59:02 +0000 UTC
