Supplementary Materials 6: Christian Sensemaking, Hipster Race Realists, & Marijuana Pseudoscience
Added 2024-05-10 13:42:37 +0000 UTCWe shake our heads in despair at some truly terrible Guru crossovers:
Old Man Health Routines: Jogging, Diets, and the Pursuit of 'Wellness'
Jordan Peterson and Russell Brand offer the apotheosis of indulgent Christian-themed sensemaking
Taylor Lorenz and activist journalism
Twitch Streamers, Tim Pool, and the Future of Journalism
Huberman gets himself in hot water over Marijuana episode
The Value of Debating Pseudoscience with Huberman
Casey Means: Cramming all the pseudoscience red flags into a single Tweet
When Red Scare met Steve Sailer: Ironic Hipsterism X Old Skool Scientific Racism
Links
JBP Podcast: The Collective Unconscious, Christ, and the Covenant | Russell Brand | EP 444
New York Magazine: The Man Who Invented Identity Politics for the Far Right
Comments
Peterson and Brand should agree on a favorite yummy dish and have a competition to describe it using the most words and concepts.
CHUSSTERR
2024-07-13 18:31:50 +0000 UTCGroovy Matt
Julie
2024-06-04 22:10:16 +0000 UTCListening to JP and Russell Brand is literally making me sick to my stomach. I better stop but can’t turn away. I enjoy DTG and don’t want u guys to stop but I would totally understand if one day you just said “wtf are we wasting our time on this nonsense for”.
Rod Hodges
2024-05-28 20:41:41 +0000 UTCOne of the things DTG has really turned me onto is the seemingly inevitable climb of gurus up the gurometer. I used to quite enjoy listening to some of Brand’s content when he first reinvented himself as a a pseudo-socialist commentator. He was always massively pretentious but his undeniable gift of the gab combined with highlighting some of the less healthy aspects of our current political and economic systems made for some entertaining listening. But man. What a massive twat he’s become. Or perhaps always was and I was just not critical enough of his impenetrable word salad.
Gray
2024-05-18 22:30:58 +0000 UTCBrand is right to call himself an Ouroboros, if instead of eating it's tail, it was disappearing up it's own arse. Jesus wept, it is painful to listen to these sycophants.
Matt
2024-05-17 14:48:47 +0000 UTCLove Nathan Barley!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-05-14 10:55:54 +0000 UTCYes, I would argue that in America the Guardian is not mainstream media. But to be clear when I talk about mainstream I’m talking about the ability to walk up to any rando and “say have you heard of/do you get news from this outlet?” With the Guardian for most people the answer is no. Lots of people have a NYT subscription to feel informed but don’t go much deeper than that (if they even read the NYT daily) then you have people on the right who’d call the NYT a commie outlet, and of course you do politically junkies who are aware of all it. But they are a minority As to your snippet from the NYT. I didn’t say you can’t find an opinion piece sympathetic to Palestine or the protestors. I’m saying the coverage is disproportionate, and doesn’t undo the damage they’ve done since Oct 7 with false reporting that they have yet to retract. You still have people claiming Hamas put babies in ovens as a result of it https://theintercept.com/2024/02/27/zaka-october-7-israel-hamas-new-york-times/
Michael
2024-05-14 10:43:34 +0000 UTCSo Michael, is your argument that the Guardian is not mainstream media? Because these titles sound like they are representing exactly the opinion you mention... "Justice, not hatred, drives student protests" "How the right is weaponizing pro-Palestinian campus protests in the US" "Campus protest crackdowns claim to be about antisemitism – but they’re part of a rightwing plan" "Nearly all Gaza campus protests in the US have been peaceful, study finds" "Police let violent mobs attack UCLA students. This is what lawlessness looks like" As for the NYT... "I Was Once a Student Protester. The Old Hyperbole Is Now Reality. Is this what a police state looks like?" "How Pro-Palestinian Students Pushed Trinity College Dublin to Divest" "The Campus Protests Signal the End of an Era for the Democrats The alliance of the elite establishment and progressives is showing signs of fraying." "A Chaotic Night at U.C.L.A. Raises Questions About Police Response Counterprotesters attacked a pro-Palestinian encampment for several hours without police intervention, and none were arrested. Now, the police response is under investigation." , etc. This is just with 2 mins of searching...
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-05-14 03:31:02 +0000 UTCOof those Red Scare ladies must be doing a bit. I mean come on! How do you keep describing yourself as "liberals" and "leftists" while uncritically embracing the old fashioned intellectual racist and his poorly substantiated arguments? It's not just that, they also adopt this insufferable, hyper-liberal way of speaking in that very hip Jersey girl / LA Valley girl / stoner hippie accent. If these people were actual far-leftists occupying the conspiracy theory horse-shoe spectrum, I don't think they would be so blase about embracing race science. They would be your more "DSA socialist, Biden is doing genocide" types. I believe these people are Bannonite trojan horses for the hard-right.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-05-14 03:18:19 +0000 UTCYou guys are doing a public service by exposing these fraudsters
Martin Pelchat
2024-05-14 00:26:57 +0000 UTC@ 54:25: Russell imitating Jordan doing his Rules for Life… 🤣 👨🍳💋
Kevin Nyberg
2024-05-13 17:24:32 +0000 UTCI literally point out the NYTs is biased in its coverage, and not telling the truth and you use the NYT to tell me I’m wrong without even citing a source? I’d love to see what you’re talking about. But as the Guardian points out it’s really not the students https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/article/2024/may/06/ucla-protester-mob-attack
Michael
2024-05-13 15:53:02 +0000 UTCAs a New York Times everyday reader, you are not telling the truth. I read from the NYT that the Pro-Isreal people are the ones who started the violence. People like you want mainstream news to affirm your beliefs and not tell the story
Asisipho Guga
2024-05-13 11:27:08 +0000 UTCIn terms of the NYT, WaPo and CNN (the average American isn’t going to the guardian) there’s been a lot of focus on the spectacle of the encampments rather than the substance of what the kids are actually demanding. Plus there’s an (intentional, IMO) misportrayal over the sources of violence which have been perpetrated largely by counter-protesters and the police
Michael
2024-05-13 09:23:08 +0000 UTCJust one of the works of genius from the great Chris Morris. Due a rewatch methinks.
elcid
2024-05-13 08:07:17 +0000 UTCIs this true? Like this is just the coverage from the US Guardian... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/us-campus-protests
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-05-13 06:50:21 +0000 UTCThe Red Scare race science clips were bracing. Not even JAQing off. They were fully into it.
Alex H
2024-05-12 23:28:57 +0000 UTCYes, those are not news sources in my view.
Linda Sears
2024-05-12 22:09:34 +0000 UTCNPR and the Guardian are probably the sources you could expect to get the most reliable information from. I was thinking of examples like: https://nypost.com/2024/05/11/us-news/majority-of-student-protestors-sympathize-with-hamas-survey/ https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/may-5-anti-israel-protest-colleges-campus-police-arrest Calling student protestors "pro-Hamas," and saying they're "anti-Israel" (sometimes "anti-Semitic") is incendiary and just counter-factual.
Gretchen Koch
2024-05-12 21:37:47 +0000 UTCOn the point of Twitch streamers covering current events I would generally agree that we need strong institutional journalism, however the Israel-Gaza conflict is an area where mainstream media is showing a clear bias in their reporting and headlines. I think there’s a lot of value to hearing directly from people on the ground, which is not a perspective you see from these outlets
Michael
2024-05-12 20:51:48 +0000 UTC@Níall - my bad. That's an indulgent back-reference to comments on the Flint Dibble on Joe Rogan thread. "Zetetic" is an obscure Greek-origin term for "proceeding by enquiry", but has been appropriated by the Flat-earther community for their particular brand of melted epistemics. It's taking the "seeing is believing" principle to new heights of anti-establishment/anti-science paranoia, basically. Originally inspired by Joe's "No, but LOOK at it man! Doesn't that look man-made..." insistence despite Flint's patient explanation that that's not really how archaeologists determine what's natural or not (microscopes, scanners, x-rays, etc).
Paul Bowman
2024-05-12 18:11:03 +0000 UTCWow, what a whirlwind of hot air that has no semblance of sense. Brand’s vomiting of big words at least made me look up the word penumbra. Brand is like the representation of the hypocrisy of Christianity, spewing sacrifice and forgiveness of sins, but not taking responsibility for his actions against women. You guys are heroes for trying to make sense of those back and forths. My head is still spinning in confusion!
Chandra Collins
2024-05-12 16:49:05 +0000 UTCYep. I’m kind of surprised that they aren’t bringing up string theory as well since it’s got all kinds of fun ideas to play around with like vibrational strings, multiple dimensions, and a theory of everything all wrapped up in a nice bow, made out of strings. It also has the advantage of being very difficult to test physically. My almost 90 year old dad does understand some of the ideas (I don’t). He’d shake his head at these types and say “bullshit baffles brains.”
Linda Sears
2024-05-12 13:31:53 +0000 UTCIt's those damned thought experiments.
Michael Lewinger
2024-05-12 04:25:50 +0000 UTCThe inventory of segments however is fixed, usually learned based on some other process.
Marcin Junczys-Dowmunt
2024-05-12 02:51:05 +0000 UTCNope, initialization is fully random. Embeddings get learned like everything else. So JP's description was fine, surprisingly.
Marcin Junczys-Dowmunt
2024-05-12 02:48:50 +0000 UTCGreat episode. I still get frustrated when folk with metaphysical worldviews bring up quantum physics to bolster their claims. I’ve tried to explain to a friend that most of us (including myself) have a surface understanding at best of QP. Yet, some seem to have amazing confidence in their understanding of the subject.
Shane Partington
2024-05-12 01:31:32 +0000 UTCDunno anything about him
Adam Sher
2024-05-11 23:26:01 +0000 UTCGlad to have been of service!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-05-11 23:21:42 +0000 UTCBefore Russell I’d always kinda liked British accents.
Jeff Faulkner
2024-05-11 23:09:53 +0000 UTCSteve Sailer
Linda Sears
2024-05-11 22:53:26 +0000 UTCTho “we don’t know who’s the Jesus, who’s the serpent!” was wonderful, shittalking lvl gay frogs
aneladgam_varelse
2024-05-11 22:34:29 +0000 UTCI think I prefer Jordan Peterson over Russel Brand, tho it’s though choice. Jordan is more pleasant to listen (or maybe it’s because I generally dislike British accent?) and sounds more sincere - Jordan talks needlessly dramatic, Russel is kinda self-congratulatory. I can’t decide if sheer unpredictableness of Russel’s speech is more interesting or more annoying.
aneladgam_varelse
2024-05-11 22:30:32 +0000 UTCBig Shake won’t get to me. I’m going to keep telling the world that it tastes awful
Guruspod 2
2024-05-11 22:21:27 +0000 UTC“Supplements & Materials (mostly steak knives)
Guruspod 2
2024-05-11 22:19:57 +0000 UTCMy understanding is that the embedding are fixed: they are the “dictionary” that encodes the raw text. Yes, the BP, attention etc is where the deep learning happens, but I don’t believe it affects the dictionary; rather it operates on the dictionary.
Guruspod 2
2024-05-11 22:18:35 +0000 UTCThe Red Scare ladies might be the only people on the internet who haven’t heard that correlation != causation so they think he’s a “stats guy”
Guruspod 2
2024-05-11 22:15:41 +0000 UTCKlaus Barbie Girls!
Guruspod 2
2024-05-11 22:11:11 +0000 UTCBe careful out there kids!
Guruspod 2
2024-05-11 22:09:29 +0000 UTCI mean, if I went around saying I was an emperor just because some moistened qznt had lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d put me away.
Roscoe 112
2024-05-11 22:08:28 +0000 UTCBig salute to Dan D from me too. I raised a glass the day I heard. +1 on deepities, it definitely informed the pseudoprofound bullshit concept
Guruspod 2
2024-05-11 22:07:52 +0000 UTCI feel like my mouth forms an involuntary sneer, which is very unbecoming
Guruspod 2
2024-05-11 22:05:28 +0000 UTC1) The sad truth is indeed I am a lumpy middle-aged man trying desperately to fend off entropy 2) I thought Bob’s speculative encompassing worldview was kinda fun and interesting, but IDK if one can take that kind of thing too seriously
Guruspod 2
2024-05-11 22:04:23 +0000 UTCI love avante Garde Jazz, so yeah, the analogy is very unfair to Jazz
Guruspod 2
2024-05-11 22:01:40 +0000 UTCEat away the memory lil worm friend!!! 😄
Daniel Reed Miller
2024-05-11 21:57:35 +0000 UTCI listen to this while getting drunk and when Jordan said that death makes things real I instantly thought „oh so god isn’t real, god can’t die”
aneladgam_varelse
2024-05-11 21:54:06 +0000 UTCExactly. Similar with any well practiced/performed improvisation form. It’s the true art of listening. This is almost the opposite in every way, lol. They’re musicians who know how to play a lot of notes and superficially dazzling riffs but don’t have any kind of “ear”.
Daniel Reed Miller
2024-05-11 21:46:35 +0000 UTCChristianity is social contagion
aneladgam_varelse
2024-05-11 21:34:45 +0000 UTCPlus the musicians actually have to listen to each other or it all falls apart.
Linda Sears
2024-05-11 18:18:01 +0000 UTCBebop jazz has the advantage, in my opinion, of being highly inventive, complex, and fun to listen to.
Linda Sears
2024-05-11 16:08:51 +0000 UTCThis monologue duet is truly something else. As Matt mentioned this is a sort of bebop or jazz that these two clowns are performing, just riffing & trading manic word salads to enthusiastic head nods and nauseating yes, anding.
Kyle Wilson
2024-05-11 15:00:29 +0000 UTCAre Matt’s ManShakes just knock off AG1?
Kyle Wilson
2024-05-11 14:55:03 +0000 UTCWho was it?
Adam Sher
2024-05-11 14:18:04 +0000 UTCCould you explain how the media is or has been misleading on the campus protests? I mostly get my news from NPR and sources like The Guardian. I don’t mind people learning about the protest from online gaming streams so long as the viewers understand that the person reporting may have their own slant as well.
Linda Sears
2024-05-11 13:58:27 +0000 UTCYes, that segment was even more painful than the JP and Brand segment.
Tim Tripp
2024-05-11 13:55:35 +0000 UTCFor me the worst part was Red Scare at the end. Introducing a young, new audience to white supremacist ideas. What could possibly go wrong???😢
Linda Sears
2024-05-11 13:37:07 +0000 UTCLoved it!!
Idan Ca
2024-05-11 11:03:53 +0000 UTCThank you to JBP and RB for reminding me of this sketch .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MWpHQQ-wQg
Colin Fardey
2024-05-11 09:43:28 +0000 UTCWhat's zetetic epistemics?
Níall Faughnan
2024-05-11 09:10:51 +0000 UTCBut isn't his point usually rather that forcing less developed areas of the world to forego industrialisation in the name of climate change is too big a sacrifice to ask of them?
Chomagerider
2024-05-11 08:46:17 +0000 UTCWhat does Freud say about an imaginary word spelled qznt? Jk don’t care.
David Hohle
2024-05-11 08:14:58 +0000 UTCLove the pod - great episode - two thoughts: 1) My concept of Matt as an effortlessly fit and infinitely seductive silver fox has come crashing down to earth - thanks for the self-confidence boost 2) While listening to the sharp analysis of the Peter-brandian babble, I kept wondering if yall have read either Moral Animal or Non-Zero by previously guru-ometered Bob Wright who explores this kind of all encompassing explanation of the human condition and if you might find it more cohesive or convincing?
Blake Lever
2024-05-11 05:51:55 +0000 UTCTakes years of practice.
Roland Weber
2024-05-11 05:20:19 +0000 UTCMattrix multiplication once again deconstructs the guru eigenstructure to uncover several degenerate nodes in the phase space.
Roscoe 112
2024-05-11 01:57:43 +0000 UTCThat first part about Matt's attempts to be healthier...or shall we say optimize. Careful, you're THIS close to ordering that good AG1 and embarking on the carnivore diet😂
Chomagerider
2024-05-11 01:29:05 +0000 UTCRhetoric theater is a great term
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-05-11 01:18:01 +0000 UTCPlenty plausible.
Maytree
2024-05-11 00:56:19 +0000 UTCI was listening to this while walking around the city and hope people didn't see my visceral grimacing whenever one of the Brand clips was playing.
Marcin Junczys-Dowmunt
2024-05-11 00:54:24 +0000 UTCdude, do you realize that money isn't even REAL??
Douglas Gearhart
2024-05-11 00:54:04 +0000 UTCHow do people talk like this when they are sober?
Lina Neild Robinson
2024-05-11 00:46:54 +0000 UTCOh, and my (unfortunately recently-passed) favorite philosopher, Daniel Dennett (I was going to say "mentor, but I only met him a few times), coined a lovely term for the laughable attempt to state mundane facts as if they're world-shaking insights: "deepity." A deepity is true but trivial, making it especially noxious because you can't argue straight-on against its accuracy-- that's not the problem. The problem is that it's not a fucking revelation, and the only people who think otherwise are toddlers, toddler-minded gurus, and their toddler-minded followers.
Gretchen Koch
2024-05-11 00:45:53 +0000 UTCi dunno; it doesn't sound to me like Taylor Lorenz is endorsing anyone specifically. The George Floyd protests and the current pro-Palestinian freedom protests are two examples of when a story is wildly misrepresented by the media, to the extent that it damages the accuracy of public perception and portrays the actual victims as aggressors, and vice versa. Piker might not be a great choice to represent that movement, but hot damn, we're starved as a society for the bigger picture in those cases, and the impact on viewers/listeners can have tremendous consequences. And yes, as an American I hate acknowledging such a thing. It's sickening to think of your average American as a Trump-like toddler who needs to have stories read out loud with accompanying illustrations in crayon, but I don't actually believe that's the case for most of us. Most of us are kept in the dark and would never come across the views Lorenz is talking about if they *weren't* on Twitch. No, we shouldn't be getting our news via a gaming network. But if traditional news sources aren't do their job, how can people be blamed for finding the truth elsewhere, and writing relieved articles about it when they do?
Gretchen Koch
2024-05-11 00:39:46 +0000 UTCاهلن! Came here to say this, too!
Monica B.
2024-05-11 00:32:52 +0000 UTCBahaha.
Emma
2024-05-10 22:53:59 +0000 UTCAck! JPB and Russell Brand are insufferable. I felt like I was stuck at a diner with two ego-wanking boors, talking at each other. Like freshman college boys showing off, voices raised so we other diners are the reluctant audience, the boys blessing the peasants with their Deep Thoughts. Except these two are middle aged men, ffs.
Jeanne H-B
2024-05-10 22:21:27 +0000 UTCI made it 15 minutes. I previously said no more streamers and now I will eat a sock. Bring back the streamers.
Adam Sher
2024-05-10 22:17:41 +0000 UTCI hate to reduce it to old white dudes mad that the old social hierarchy has been deconstructed and their conception of self is/was related to that hierarchy and they feel the symbolic loss of status and they concoct elaborate theories to deal with it. But I just did. or, to say it more concisely - it's cope.
S Garvey
2024-05-10 22:04:09 +0000 UTCOnly if your the guy running for governor in California, and I which case you have my vote.
Maytree
2024-05-10 21:03:48 +0000 UTCBig Wasabi.
S Garvey
2024-05-10 20:50:31 +0000 UTCSupplemental Materials™️
Kung fu fan
2024-05-10 20:46:38 +0000 UTCgood episode, lads. If you need someone to do some low-key experimentation with marijuana to dis/prove Huberman hmu. I can do. ;- )
S Garvey
2024-05-10 20:35:28 +0000 UTCJordan and Russell…. Two empty vessels trying to out-noise each other
Gavin Ryan
2024-05-10 20:34:31 +0000 UTCIt almost sounded like Brand wanted his sin of self indulgence to be worse than the sin of pride so that his elevation from sin to salvation could be more impressive.
Linda Sears
2024-05-10 20:25:36 +0000 UTC“Priapus, man…Priapus!” 😂😂
Chris Clark
2024-05-10 19:59:54 +0000 UTCOh dear, thanks once more for reminding me about the dangerous corners of the internet. I promise to stay away from there!
Roland Weber
2024-05-10 19:35:28 +0000 UTCBint, or, بنت، is also Arabic for girl. Not derogatory
Douglas Gearhart
2024-05-10 19:33:28 +0000 UTCOn the sacrifice story, it seems that parenthood is a prime example of sacrifice that would far predate Christianity, especially for the mother. Happy Mother’s Day!
Linda Sears
2024-05-10 19:11:57 +0000 UTCIf heaven is Russell Brand’s voice and he is God, then take me to hell please.
Chris Clark
2024-05-10 19:05:24 +0000 UTCJP seems to me to be on a life long mission to rationalize his particular moral/political worldview, leading to strained leaps less grounded in science than in motivated reasoning. Trying to take the discussion about “mapping onto reality” in evolution even a little bit seriously, I hear him equating “mapping to reality” as an evolutionary process as “Good” and “Truth” rather than simply as way to achieve a level of accuracy that’s good enough to survive long enough to reproduce. (A huge intellectual leap!) And then he leaps further to such-and-such myth (eg the Christ story) is ergo Truth because we are primed to tell true stories as a species due to our evolutionary mapping to reality/“Good” (or something like that). I don’t know if there is any philosophical scholarship that takes this line of reasoning seriously but it hits me as classic, unsupported sophistry.
Maytree
2024-05-10 18:52:03 +0000 UTCHaha, +1 for Klaus Barbie Girls!
Dries T.
2024-05-10 18:20:25 +0000 UTCJordan performing self flagellations because of his pathological need to virtue signal how much he understands and values notions of sacrifice while simultaneously scolding anyone who brings up climate change on the basis of the profound injustice inherent in asking anyone in the first world to make any degree of material sacrifice... never gets old. I mentioned in another thread at some point that the guy is incoherence incarnate. This is another great example of that. No actual principles. Just rhetoric theater.
Devin Poore
2024-05-10 18:19:23 +0000 UTCOn the hipster racism thing, at 1:31:50ish, one of the Klaus Barbie Girls says "..but I love to go into those types of arenas and say, like, uh, 'You should pay attention to what you see with your own eyes, because, uh, the reality usually conforms to uh *giggle* what you're observing". Yet another clear-cut case of Zetetic epistemics in the wild. (I'm really warming to this theme)
Paul Bowman
2024-05-10 18:02:50 +0000 UTCIt's actually from Arabic - it's the female (daughter of) equivalent of bin (son of), used in Arabic names that list progenitors (e.g. Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz...etc). Appropriated by Brit colonials as racist pejorative for Arab women generally, and then wormed its way into the language as a more generalised misogynist slur.
Paul Bowman
2024-05-10 17:58:57 +0000 UTCHey wait, so what was the nicer thing on the agenda that Matt was referring to? I sure could have done with something just slightly less excruciating than hipster racism...
Dries T.
2024-05-10 17:31:17 +0000 UTCIt's old fashioned but it speard across the UK.
Unfitforpurpose
2024-05-10 17:15:30 +0000 UTCI just listened on, I thought it was only Scottish 🤷🏻♂️
Allan Hutton
2024-05-10 16:55:30 +0000 UTCB I N T is a Scottish slur for a woman 😂😂😂 On ye go JBP ya dipstick
Allan Hutton
2024-05-10 16:52:08 +0000 UTCThe racism stats at the end, could probably be entirely explained by a boom of visible minorities being pushed into gig work, people end up driving a lot more than they normally do.
Anonymous ethicist, not a serial killer at all, just asking questions.
2024-05-10 16:51:57 +0000 UTCI think LLMs start with their word/token embeddings randomized and adjust them during training using back propagation just like other parameters?
brianshmrian
2024-05-10 16:45:14 +0000 UTCBrand responding to Peterson like an improv player whose just been given a particularly tough prompt he needs to free associate his way out of might be the most honest version of him we'll ever hear.
Unfitforpurpose
2024-05-10 16:33:41 +0000 UTCPutting "Supplementary Materials" behind a paywall means they're already shilling supplements ;-)
Roland Weber
2024-05-10 15:25:18 +0000 UTCI want an RFK Jr brain worm after listening to the segment with Jordan Peterson and Russell Brand!
Mike Nelson
2024-05-10 15:13:54 +0000 UTCThank you :)
Ymirsdreams
2024-05-10 15:08:47 +0000 UTCWhen we getting the DTG supplement line then? Sponsorship by manshake or big miso?
Daniel Richards
2024-05-10 14:31:32 +0000 UTChttps://youtu.be/lhAr_UeroCk?si=XFEiVjbI5QPiu9Ee
Rob Leslie Jr
2024-05-10 13:48:37 +0000 UTCBig fan of you chaps! True antidote to the rise of the idiots!
Rob Leslie Jr
2024-05-10 13:46:35 +0000 UTC
