Supplementary Material 5: Spiritual UFOs, Alternative Theories of Evolution, and Atlantean Grievances
Added 2024-04-26 10:31:23 +0000 UTCWe watch in awe as the guru-sphere grapples with a host of 'alternative' theories:
Bret promotes pseudoscience on Polio and alternative theories on evolution
The Gurusphere collides with Tucker's takes on evolution
Rogan and Tucker praise Alex Jones' prophetic abilities
Tucker's views on spiritual UFOs
Hasan endorses Lex Fridman as the most genuine centrist
Contrasting Destiny and Hasan's transparency
World War 3 Warnings
The Great Archaeology Debate: Dibble vs. Hancock
Graham Hancock- A Grievance Mongering Masterclass
Intentional Misrepresentation
White Supremacy angers Great Joe
The Cass Review Controversy: A lesson in misinformation
Links
Jerry Coyne's old takedown of Bret's confused theories about evolution
The Iced Coffee Hour- Destiny on Debating Ben Shapiro, Toxic Wokeism and Getting Divorced
More or Less (BBC)- 98%: Is misinformation being spread about a review of trans youth medicine?
Comments
I have found another source, that references Gideon M K's thread on the matter. I appreciate that long-form video essays are not everyone's favourite media, but I like them, and I think Alexander makes some good points here, in an accessible format. He also calls out the intentional misreadings of the Cass Report 'on both sides', but also effectively criticises the report, directly in response to the UK govt using the Cass Report to restrict trans people's access to healthcare. Of course, they were already denied access, _every_ current NHS patient is being denied access to quality healthcare, and trans people are in a particularly difficult position within that system. https://youtu.be/QLWKYTxLYT4
Matt
2024-05-20 13:38:55 +0000 UTCNo that way lies madness
Guruspod 2
2024-05-14 11:58:17 +0000 UTCHmm, not sure about squirrels throwing twigs or nuts. I live in London and encounter dozens of squirrels a day and I've never seen this. They do mostly wear MAGA caps though (something Attenborough explains perfectly).
Mark B
2024-05-10 03:37:42 +0000 UTChttps://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/7517932-that-would-be-an-ecumenical-matter
Mark K
2024-05-04 22:12:04 +0000 UTCNice episode fellas. Just some relevant background here re. how twitch income works for streamers - streamers are required by contract to air a certain number of ads per hour because the revenue is split between the streamer and twitch. The amount varies streamer-to-streamer because the default contracts have changed over time to reflect industry norms. but it’s usually 1-2 per hour. If they don’t run the required amount of ads they have to backload the ads, or risk being penalized. Subscribers fees are also split between the streamer and twitch and a fixed amount too, so hasan couldn’t lower the price for his fans, even if he wanted to.
Peter
2024-05-03 17:12:06 +0000 UTCMuch as I generally agree with your criticisms of Rogan, I thought he did a pretty decent job hosting that debate, didn't show too much bias, and even when he's querying whether something "looks" man-made, he's only just expressing what the layman would think, and allowed Flint to fully set him straight without interruption.
David
2024-05-02 22:45:01 +0000 UTCI feel like this is the best use-case for this podcast!
Guruspod 2
2024-05-01 22:36:32 +0000 UTCI have big issues with Destiny and Vaush, but to watch one pf them get their teeth into Eric or Brett in a debate would be very fun.
Ben Godek
2024-04-30 18:46:08 +0000 UTCI thought he was implying that we don’t really understand how DNA and genes work?
Ben Godek
2024-04-30 18:43:07 +0000 UTCEvolutionary changes to the brain can be thought about both on the level of morphological structure and on the level of internal phenomenological structure. For example, morphological changes to a female bird’s auditory cortex enables a deeper phenomenological capacity to hear and evaluate the male’s mating song. Two levels of analysis for the same evolutionary adaptation. Without the phenomenological level to enable selective adaptation the morphological level wouldn’t change (outside of genetic drift). Bret is an idiot but not for that
Par
2024-04-30 17:37:29 +0000 UTCThat Eric “I dont like the feeling in my body” bit from the mic west ep should come with a bloody trigger warning. I was definitely not ready for it, Graham hancock was already taxing enough as it is
Idan Ca
2024-04-30 15:53:00 +0000 UTCThanks for explaining this, Nina. The U.S. healthcare system is quite different.
Linda Sears
2024-04-29 19:46:42 +0000 UTCI just want to thank you guys for listening to these crazy people so I don't have to mess up my algorithms. I want to know about these folks but not at the expense of having to see their drivel show up on my various feeds. So THANK YOU!!
Karen Miscall-Bannon
2024-04-29 19:39:50 +0000 UTCTotally!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-04-29 14:40:50 +0000 UTCThe importance of NICE to NHS standards of care is really important to consider. NICE has a key role in deciding which treatments are available for NHS patients. The way it does that is to consider clinical evidence, assess value for money and to ensure that people have the same access to treatment wherever they live. This is of course important when providing a service that is free at the point of delivery. As an NHS patient, I can confirm that those aims seem incredibly hard to achieve and that by moving from one Borough to another I have very different care. The Cass report set out to look at care in the NHS context. In the NHS context, my sister was unable to have reconstructive surgery after breast cancer. Infact, her private medical insurance also initially refused it on the grounds that this surgery was cosmetic. (She fought the decision of her insurer and was successful.) There are many many drugs not available on the NHS because they are too expensive when balanced with as yet weak evidence. People are often offered treatment for cancer on the grounds that they take part in a clinical trial. Clearly, done of this is an 'ideal world' scenario. It is a constrained world view and it definately has an ideology based on a sense of being able to deliver a life saving service to everyone rather than being fair to everyone's individual needs.
Nina Davies
2024-04-29 13:14:08 +0000 UTCFun fact: when squirrels have kittens they get hyper protective of their nests and will throw twigs and nuts at you as you walk under their branches or hang off a branch and scream at you. In London some of the most popular tourist spots are quite leafy, so you get the sight of lots of very angry rodents xenophobically screeching at adoring crowds.
Ymirsdreams
2024-04-29 12:37:48 +0000 UTCI have adopted Chris' x2 speed podcast setting. I now get the mental images of a lot of right leaning chipmunks yelling at me about quotas.
Ymirsdreams
2024-04-29 12:35:35 +0000 UTCThanks for you lengthy reply. I take your points and will commit to loosening my convictions, that seem not to be as thought out as yours but thats why im here.
Norbs
2024-04-29 02:05:34 +0000 UTCIt’s not void of ideology. It’s following the ideology of the NHS evidence checks, of which this is just one. It isn’t a report intended to affirm trans identity in the abstract. It’s a report as to how the NHS should provide gender treatment to those seeking it within the NHS. I sincerely doubt Cass has supported ‘conversion therapy’, nor do I think she has disdain for the LGBTQ community. She was selected to lead the review precisely because she was considered someone capable of approaching things impartially. You can disagree if you like but I get the impression there is no report that could arrive at the conclusions Cass did that you would consider valid. Gideon is a good guy, and very progressive politically. He’s had various takes that illustrate to me that his political preferences skew his approach at times. On the topic of credentials, if you apply that heuristic, 1) you should be supporting those who dismissed Gideon’s criticisms of Ioannidis, 2) you should defer to Cass who has more relevant credentials and has spent way more time on this topic than Gideon. The report is not a ‘study’ and it is not a hack job. Gideon himself would disagree with that. In general, I don’t get the impression you are approaching this as much of a scientific or medical topic… you cite a 2% regret rate but if you found out that rate was wrong and it was significantly higher, would that matter? I don’t get the impression it would and I also suspect you would dismiss studies with a higher rate as ‘trash’. My criticisms of Gideon’s blogs would require my own blog entry but I’d still recommend him as a good source for a critical appraisal.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-04-29 01:55:07 +0000 UTCYeh sorry it was Chris. Nevertheless to say it was void of ideology is crazy. It never affirms trans as an identity only ever as a mental issues. Its always ‘gender related issues’ or ‘gender questioning patients’. Also Cass has publicly supported conversion therapy very recently. Which shows her obvious disdain for the lgbt community for me, so i disagree fully that she is impartial. Gideon does a great job dismantling the very premise of the review id like to know how you think hes biased? I might be blind to it as i admit i probably share them and thus blinded to them. It seems he thinks the study is trash for reasons other than the ones you two debunked on the show and going off his credentials he might be worth listening to. You can criticise the criticisms whilst also admitting the study is a hack job. It does dismiss evidence. We know for a fact hrt lowers suicide rates drastically and people who have transitioned show a 2% regret rate. So when the study suggests extreme caution when administering hrt up until people are 25 (which is what Cass has since walked back) it raises big questions. The american psychology association has also called it out for lack of evidence for its assumptions.
Norbs
2024-04-29 00:56:13 +0000 UTCLike... finding different species on this planet? Nah, there's no evidence for that.
Roland Weber
2024-04-28 19:16:56 +0000 UTCYea I like the score also. I’m in a minority saying I prefer it to the original. It’s perfectly neutral and therefore works in the film better. The mad sort of sliding synth noise is the best. I never really like the original score. So chintzy and mannered. I’m aware I sound like a contrarian with this opinion 🙄. Maybe it’s just because it’s so highly rated.
Chris Clark
2024-04-28 03:51:14 +0000 UTCHaha agree on Leto. He’s apparently started a cult. He seems like the sort of vicious moron with an unfortunate surplus of malignant charisma that the Red Scare girls would find “hot”.
Chris Clark
2024-04-28 03:48:30 +0000 UTCMatt didn’t claim that, Chris did. The report seems a good faith effort to assess the evidence, that lays out its methodology very clearly. I don’t find most of the criticisms convincing. In many cases they were simply false (they rejected 98% of studies) and in other cases they demonstrate a lack of understanding of systematic reviews (assuming that a review should uncritically repeat the conclusions of studies that achieve ‘moderate’ ratings). The best critique I’ve seen is from Gideon M K, who I mentioned in the episode, but I also do not find him an unbiased source on this issue. Cass has been involved with this issue for multiple years now and will certainly have had contact with the gender critical side. This is not surprising, nor do I think grounds for dismissing the report. You might note that she did not conduct the systematic reviews, it was an independent team from York university who specialise in doing that. The claim that the report dismissed everything for not being double blinded is false. We addressed it on the podcast, it was covered as misinformation by a BBC show that focuses on misrepresentation of research, and it is now addressed in a special FAQ: https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/final-report-faqs/.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-04-27 22:20:57 +0000 UTCYep!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-04-27 22:07:05 +0000 UTCI enjoy these supplementary materials episodes. After weeks of streamers, I am happy to catch up with the regular cast of clowns.
Mike Nelson
2024-04-27 21:21:37 +0000 UTCSounds like Chris missed a good excuse to go on scuba diving trips.
Roland Weber
2024-04-27 20:28:28 +0000 UTCSaw Bladerunner 2049 only once. The final fight scene in a sinking ship (iirc) was choreographed so badly that I couldn't figure out whether the main character was trying to win the fight, or to intentionally drag it out until they both drown. Up to that point, I liked the mood of the movie.
Roland Weber
2024-04-27 20:10:09 +0000 UTCFlint made one of his best points in the last five minutes. Graham was asking archeologists to tone down their criticisms. And they should all just get along. And Flint basically said that the Graham on Joe Rogan is different than the Netflix Graham.
privateer
2024-04-27 19:37:02 +0000 UTCDevotees
Donkey kong
2024-04-27 17:20:31 +0000 UTCThe "I have a bad feeling in my body" (maaaybe not the exact quote) line is a work of art.
Alex H
2024-04-27 17:01:30 +0000 UTCI’ve read a couple of articles that argue Cass had connections with the people creating the review that was used to back up Florida Governor Ron De Santis’s legislation against trans care. Not sure how much to trust those sources, and it seems like it would be difficult to know the extent of those connections.
Linda Sears
2024-04-27 13:24:43 +0000 UTCHe is so insufferable. As much as I don't like these streamers so far, it would be fun to have one of them yell at Eric like they yell at their followers during those dumb streams .. wonder what kind of feeling that would give him in his body. Moron....
Chomagerider
2024-04-27 11:34:53 +0000 UTCLooks like it... https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/contra-kavanaugh-on-fideism
Robert Andrews
2024-04-27 11:31:03 +0000 UTCA few years back Chris contrasted himself with someone (I think maybe Scott Alexander?) talking about how he read a book about advanced ancient human Civilizations, was moderately credulous, then read some academic rebuttals and no longer believed it, whereas the guy went on scuba diving trips investigating ruins and came to the same conclusion. Was that book the Hancock Fingerprints book?
Subodh Kafle
2024-04-27 09:02:15 +0000 UTCI implore you to reconsider!
Roland Weber
2024-04-27 08:39:13 +0000 UTCThere are so many problems that are culture war created. It should be fairly simple to assess the efficacy of a medical intervention without everyone loosing their minds.
Nina Davies
2024-04-27 08:22:21 +0000 UTCClearly propagandistic for sure, lgb alliance, detransistion advocacy group and trans gendertrend to name a few. Big red flag for me especially if your running a study in a country with already volatile attitudes towards trans people where impartiality is crucial. She dismissed most of those existing studies supporting hrt treatment because they weren’t double blind, then in an interview recently admitted double blind studies arent really applicable. But she has her message out there now just like Wakefield so i guess it doesnt matter It was an interview with the kite trust. Tried to say the review didnt conclude that puberty suppressing is an unsafe treatment when it clearly did.
Norbs
2024-04-27 08:15:23 +0000 UTCEveryone knows it was the giant Finn McCool building a road to Scotland to settle scores . I mean c’mon. All the cardinal features of Western Giant - made structures.
Brainbiter
2024-04-27 07:50:33 +0000 UTCI see yon Russell Brand is getting baptized now , Father. Something about leaving the past behind and being reborn. Would that be an ecumenical matter Father, or just progression of the grift..
Brainbiter
2024-04-27 07:47:35 +0000 UTCWhat the fuck is the phenomenonological level of evolution? One of the most nonsensical things Bret has ever said.
Subodh Kafle
2024-04-27 06:24:28 +0000 UTCI’ve just looked at his Instagram. You just can’t unsee some of that stuff. The merch. Wtf. Jordan Peterson’s promotion of an all beef diet during a climate crisis, the fact that Bladerunner 2049 didn’t break even, Hasan Piker’s Instagram. These are all entries in the “Humanity. No.” side of the ledger.
Chris Clark
2024-04-27 06:09:21 +0000 UTCThanks for making me aware of Hasan Piker chaps. Thanks for that.
Chris Clark
2024-04-27 06:05:08 +0000 UTCDenied. As promised!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-04-27 04:36:07 +0000 UTCHow strong of a signal is “following XYZ ideological person” on twitter for you? For me personally - I can definitely see following someone on Twitter without endorsing their idea. Are there specific red flags that you’re looking out for? Are some of these accounts clearly propagandistic? Did she like any really sus tweets? Also - which claims did she walk back? I haven’t followed since skimming the report when it came out.
AzurePropagation
2024-04-27 03:29:52 +0000 UTCBut Chris...what about Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland? I mean look at it and tell me that this isn't made by an ancient civilization of giants. I looked at it. Hexagonal giant blocky stairs. So there! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway
Roscoe 112
2024-04-27 02:24:17 +0000 UTCI am here to request a free subscription that you won't honour. I found that very funny.
Tim Tripp
2024-04-27 01:22:53 +0000 UTCNo Joe you don't understand.
Tim Tripp
2024-04-27 00:53:42 +0000 UTCI can understand why trans people would feel threatened since there are transphobes (or people cynically using the trans issue for political gain) who will point to the Cass Review as vindicating their position. Where I live, trans gender care for children has been against the law for about a year. This has made it harder for trans and non-binary folks to feel safe even when they are not undergoing medical treatment. Given the political climate, I also wonder if some of the people who want to detransition do so because of fear of experiencing violence and discrimination. So, although I agree that a medical review should not be dismissed as being a form of disinformation, I can also see why some people are scared that this will lead to backlash.
Linda Sears
2024-04-26 23:51:31 +0000 UTCI hadn't heard that clip of Eric, but it gave me the chills. I forgot he can be just as disingenuous as his brother on top of his arrogance
Milquetoast Ramen
2024-04-26 23:37:12 +0000 UTCQuite frustrating when matt claimed the cass review wasnt ideologically inspired when Cass herself follows multiple anti trans accounts on twitter. Pretty nitpicky reaction from the boys i think probably in an attempt to stay on the fence. Cass also walked back some very major points of the study
Norbs
2024-04-26 22:44:36 +0000 UTCI think I like the supplementary materials more than the decoding episodes. Another great upload. How petty and ridiculous was Hancock. Cringe af.
Kyle
2024-04-26 22:27:09 +0000 UTCMaybe he sent a mouse in one of Elon's rockets!
Adam Sher
2024-04-26 21:58:09 +0000 UTCTrans community now is screaming transphobia, transphobia disguised as medical views at Cass Report. And it is so sad.
aneladgam_varelse
2024-04-26 20:52:01 +0000 UTCGraham Hancock would be a great show
Friendswithbenedicts
2024-04-26 20:37:17 +0000 UTCI know absolutely nothing about Colin Wright, so I might be missing context, but to me those tweets sounded like someone trying to expose Bret without leaving him an opening to dismiss it as bad faith.
Trees
2024-04-26 20:36:09 +0000 UTC"Big Archeology." I can imagine lots of people in Indiana Jones style costumes jumping out of their digs, wielding Paleolithic tools, and chasing poor old Graham Hancock across the Sahara.
Linda Sears
2024-04-26 20:08:43 +0000 UTCnot that there's anything wrong with that . . . .
S Garvey
2024-04-26 19:55:34 +0000 UTCWhat is "The Great Khan" and "Scientist Man" a reference to? I think it's hilarious, but does it come from somewhere?
brianshmrian
2024-04-26 19:25:37 +0000 UTCHe could do that by jumping out of a very high building and seeing what happens. Sorry, had to say it after hearing him waffle on evolution and talk about his dog litters.
Linda Sears
2024-04-26 18:37:57 +0000 UTCGravitation is "only a theory"...maybe Tucker can do us all a favour and do his own research with good old fashioned empirical fact-finding.
Zvi Pardes
2024-04-26 17:22:07 +0000 UTCThe Cass section in the last pod was salutary. The practical effect of those recommendations on trans healthcare is going to be devastating with the NHS under the strain that it is. And the whole thing feels like the culmination of a years long campaign by certain people and media orgs to drive trans people out of public life. So a reminder to not act like guruites (what's the term I'm looking for here) when reacting to it is important.
Unfitforpurpose
2024-04-26 16:31:51 +0000 UTCIt is so tiresome listening to grievance mongering. They're such whiners. Hearing hancock set himself up with this detailed takedown of Dibble was infuriating. If you're setting yourself as Galileo, why not at least attempt to act with a quiet determinism in the face of it, rather than smugly asserting yourself as such. It just oozes with this pathetic self righteousness that is so distasteful. Maybe I'm just sympathetic to Dibble, but I couldn't imagine preparing a slideshow, on what was apparently meant to be a debate on the subject, trying to discredit your opponent by demonstrably false claims. I guess he's doing it to appeal to a potential audience.
Daniel Richards
2024-04-26 16:20:17 +0000 UTCThat's funny, I know far more of the former. I didn't know there was much of a crossover in the latter! Different circles I guess. It's difficult, I thought Humza Yousaf's comment was probably the best amongst politicians. I'm paraphrasing, but effectively he said treatment recommendations should be left to clinicians, not politicians.
Matt
2024-04-26 16:14:17 +0000 UTCInterview with Flint Dibble would be cool. Pls ask him how prepared to debate on Rogan and if he felt like future of Big Archeology was put on his shoulders
aneladgam_varelse
2024-04-26 16:04:41 +0000 UTCI should say, I have no friends in the gender critical group of anti-vaxers .... only in the trans-activist anti-vaxer group!!
Nina Davies
2024-04-26 15:59:50 +0000 UTCBrain experiments on mice sounds impressive, but lets face it: it's not rocket science on mice.
Ymirsdreams
2024-04-26 15:56:41 +0000 UTCThe lack of provision by Camhs is cited as a reason why GIDS was overwhelmed with referrals in the first place. As you probably know, actual suicide attempt by a child is now the only way to get a service. By then it is usually impossible to avoid hospitalisation. Advocates for medicalisation usually say that the gender dysphoria is often the reason for all other mental health issues .... which is what Hilary Cass called 'diagnostic foreshadowing'. This obviously added to the referrals to GIDs, leaving children on waiting lists and not being supported. I have an academic interest in gender studies, was gender dysphoric and anorexic as a child and have 3 autistic children, one of whom identified as 'they' for a while. Many of their friends are trans because there is so much 'gender questioning' with autistic children. So you could say I am living very much in this world! I have noticed that many children's dysphoria does reduce through puberty, just as it did in my case (I was still worried by my sense of discomfort until, ironically, I read Judith Butler). 80% of cases, historically, have been like mine. Tortoise Media did a series a couple of years ago where the journalist was really troubled that it was impossible to predict which 80% would not require/desire medicalisation in adulthood. It is really hard to stay sane on this subject - but for me it does seem very similar to having relatives who are antivaxers. I have so many friends who would call me a Terf if they knew my concerns and would discount my own experience as irrelevant.
Nina Davies
2024-04-26 15:55:37 +0000 UTCAnyone in the patreon affected by gender related stress: best wishes. It must be an especially difficult time right now.
Ymirsdreams
2024-04-26 15:54:06 +0000 UTCI had also heard criticism, from a few sources, of the Cass Review citing poor evidence because there are no double-blinded RCT studies for trans healthcare, but to double-blind such treatment would be both unethical, and pretty much impossible. It did seem a fairly reasonable criticism to me as a layman when I first heard it, but I wasn't too sure, it seemed like a massive oversight, one that would have been rightly damned if it really was an accurate representation. So far, I've not seen this argument made by any serious commentors/organisations. Thanks for your explanation Chris, it was really helpful in understanding the limits of the argument. There's also an FAQ on the Cass review website, that specifically addresses these claims. https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/final-report-faqs/ I've not seen any serious, comprehensive, criticisms of the Cass Review yet. The only thing I had found previously was a 2021 critical piece in SBM over the 2020 NICE review, also headed by Cass. From what I can tell, AJ Eckert's articles on SBM are a good source for info on trans healthcare. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-critical-look-at-the-nice-review/ I believe the NICE review is referenced in the final report, and is the part I've seen referenced when making the Double-blinded RCT criticism, as in the below tweet. https://twitter.com/Naozymandias/status/1778431236265898448 I think it's a watershed moment in the debate, and I do think there are quite a lot of positives to be taken from the report, it decries the lack of access to healthcare, admonishes the toxicity of the debate (it states toxicity on both sides, which is a bit charitable imo), and appeals for compassion towards the individuals seeking treatment. I would hope that the emphasis is given to the compassion, rather than using the report as a tool to further reduce access to healthcare for gender non-conforming individuals in the UK. But, to be honest, I've not seen an awful lot from the UK press, or politics, that makes me too hopeful in that regard. Sorry for the essay, this is a subject I've put a lot of time and effort into trying to understand. Not least because I've had a few friends fall down the weird, aggressively anti-trans, rw rabbit hole.
Matt
2024-04-26 15:17:20 +0000 UTCDMT specifically, pretty sure Hancock is a big advocate of it.
Reinert
2024-04-26 14:50:50 +0000 UTCHasan: my luxurious lifestyle is socialist cause
aneladgam_varelse
2024-04-26 14:42:03 +0000 UTCGood ep. Just about the right length for my gym workout, so keep em coming around that length ;). Just re the last item and science communications being in your wheelhouse - scicom's not really my thing, but as I was reading Moscovici's opus on this, my wikipedia wanderings brought me to the Public Understanding of Science journal's 2016 competition around "Why does the ‘deficit concept’ not go away?". I was disappointed enough by the quality of the winning papers that I decided to write my own. The relevant part for people here is probably only the first bit on Moscovici - mainly because it's a more in-depth intro than you'll get from wikipedia and his work is at the intersection of social psychology and science communications, which sounds like DtG's bailiwick - https://eidgenossen.medium.com/the-continuing-appeal-of-the-deficit-model-473a3a2be5c1
Paul Bowman
2024-04-26 14:31:03 +0000 UTCLow quality, anonymous criticism. Your friend is just jelous.
aneladgam_varelse
2024-04-26 14:27:30 +0000 UTCIf you were gay, that'd be OK. I mean cause hey! I'd like you anyway...
Adam Sher
2024-04-26 14:14:25 +0000 UTCI asked a friend of mine who worked at Salk doing brain experiments on mice and he was very dismissive of Bret's claims.
Adam Sher
2024-04-26 14:09:19 +0000 UTCI was not aware that Ancient Civilizations TV was meant to he something other than a fictional what if show to be optimally consumed while under the influence.
Adam Sher
2024-04-26 14:07:14 +0000 UTCI think that was Lex being strategic but it seemed like more canny members started to see through it.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-04-26 13:47:52 +0000 UTCNope! Listen to episode 1. His inference has been disproven and his claimed insight was in the research literature before Bret conducted his PhD.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-04-26 13:45:49 +0000 UTCIf you’re not aware Lex was a fairly regular contributor to destiny’s subreddit. He is generally well loved by dgg and is referred to as grandpa Lex (he also refers to himself this way). Mostly he just spreads endless love and appreciation for memes but once a mod insinuated he was lying to which he was sure to express hurt lol
Par
2024-04-26 13:40:38 +0000 UTCIdk if I remember correctly, but I recall that Brett’s theory on telemeters weren’t pseudoscience, it was just overblown. Like: good discovery on technical thing, not revolutionary theory worth of Nobel prize
aneladgam_varelse
2024-04-26 13:34:35 +0000 UTCI think Hasan's embrace of Lex is tactical. the demographic/audience he's attempting to appeal to is young men and he's pretty desperate to NOT be "gay." According to the zeitgeist Progressives are p*ssies and not masculine like RW'ers like Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate. this requires occasionally counter signaling non-woke attitudes. Lex is a safe bet in that category.
S Garvey
2024-04-26 13:24:15 +0000 UTCTucker on Alex Jones: ‘He’s really channeling some stuff…..The supernatural is real. There were people called prophets (they made them off supplements).’
john statham
2024-04-26 13:20:19 +0000 UTCThe Studies Show Podcast also looked at the Cass Report this week. One of the hosts kept saying 'the evidence is so non-existent I felt myself becoming radicalised'. I listened to a range of podcasts on the subject from Owen Jones, across the middle ground and into the hideous right. It was a very sobering experience. Owen Jones referred to Cass as a 'RETIRED Pediatrician' and repeated the misinformation endlessly and his guests didn't put him right. It was every bit as bad as listening to Joe Rogan.
Nina Davies
2024-04-26 13:16:11 +0000 UTCUsed to think it was weird that Tucker was a massive Grateful Dead fan. It’s starting to make sense!
Christy Kilgore
2024-04-26 12:51:11 +0000 UTCCheers for the heads up! Should have checked more thoroughly.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-04-26 12:36:38 +0000 UTCI'll correct next time.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-04-26 12:33:25 +0000 UTCI should add that I saw it on the list, too... but then to check, I just googled to see if it was being discussed, and it was, so I thought, ok, he must have talked about it. But now I see it is just Gender Critical sites referencing it. Eugh...
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-04-26 12:32:48 +0000 UTCI was listening to The Studies Show with Stuart Ritchie and Tom Chivers and they mostly had the same take as you but they dismissed the Andrew Wakefield thing as likely a joke. I remember coming across it on Twitter myself the day the letter came out and briefly trying to look into it and not seeing good evidence it was actually him.
Andy
2024-04-26 12:31:48 +0000 UTCThis is a good question. I should have checked. I did a search and saw it mentioned in a few places, but looking now more carefully, they do not look like reliable sources!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-04-26 12:29:30 +0000 UTCIs there any evidence Andrew Wakefield actually signed that letter as opposed to being added as a joke by someone critical of it?
Andy
2024-04-26 12:24:15 +0000 UTCWithdrawal symptoms are powerful
Adam Sher
2024-04-26 12:24:14 +0000 UTCStreamer season will end and then you will miss them!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-04-26 12:19:28 +0000 UTCListening to more streamer analysis feels the same as smoking a pack of cigarette
Adam Sher
2024-04-26 12:18:39 +0000 UTCThis is the sanity I need after surfing the discourse. Thx guys.
Kgar
2024-04-26 12:09:26 +0000 UTCwtaf, "lex is the only centrist", jesus wept. What a bunch of melons.
Matt
2024-04-26 12:04:59 +0000 UTCLooking forward to it!
Andy
2024-04-26 11:42:32 +0000 UTCYup but nothing firmly scheduled yet.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-04-26 11:41:56 +0000 UTCHave you been in contact to set up the interview yet at all?
Andy
2024-04-26 11:41:01 +0000 UTCWe will ;)
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-04-26 11:39:53 +0000 UTCI like the pig-chimp cross-breeding theory for human evolution https://www.macroevolution.net/hybrid-hypothesis-contents.html
Matt
2024-04-26 11:30:20 +0000 UTCI think if you asked Destiny about Peter Boghossian you might be similarly disappointed as when Hasan was asked about Lex Friedman. Actually, you might even hear something similar if you asked Destiny about Lex as well.
Andy
2024-04-26 11:22:08 +0000 UTCI find Chris's contempt for Joe endlessly entertaining 🤣
Chomagerider
2024-04-26 11:13:43 +0000 UTCYay, new content! Listening to Tucker Carlson wax nonsensically about evolution reminds me of the recently departed (and much missed) Daniel Dennett who, having listened to Rabbi Shmuley Boteach's own exposition of Darwinian evolution, responded with "Shmuley, your understanding of evolution is breathtakingly ignorant!"
Robert Andrews
2024-04-26 11:06:54 +0000 UTC
