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Suggestions for next decoding: DESTINY!

So we are still in the streamer and academic season and have decided it's about time to get to one Steven Bonnell, AKA Destiny.

As with most streamers, the difficulty is going to be in covering content that is relevant and ideally representative, though it does not have to be the case.

We will cover some of the more controversial clips and whatnot in the opening segment, but we do not do episodes on the basis of clip compilations. We look for longer-form content.

Destiny is partly difficult because some of his most (in)famous content are debates in which he is just one participant or dealing with some rather specific streaming drama. We are considering long-form interviews, for instance, with Lex or The Institute of Art and Ideas, but these are geared towards a particular audience and image.

Anyway, if you have suggestions, let us know, but remember the ideal is 1) long-form, 2) representative, and 3) focused on Destiny, not others.

Suggestions for next decoding: DESTINY!

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Destiny spoke to Richard Spencer.

Sam Mountjoy

The clip of them having pancakes and waffles together as they're interrupted by a fan who's "a fan of both" has a lot of potential for this.

Sam Mountjoy

Neither a streamer nor academic but I’d like to see Bari Weiss decoded.

pr

Hey guys, interested to see which long form content of Destiny you end up covering. When you do eventually decode him, please do cover his views on polyamory & paedophilla. Which are not only out there but quite detestable. Cheers!

SHOUNAK SARKAR

Ug. No thanks, but others may enjoy

JLP

This is another very recent example of Destiny just being needlessly awful to somebody. It's an interaction that happened on a stream today involving (I cannot believe I have to type this sentence haha) Daisy aka the expectant 'baby mama' of Fresh from fresh n fit or fit n fresh (idk..some smooth brained extreme right wing red pillers). The background to this is fresh got this woman pregnant after consensual unprotected sex when they were in a relationship and then seems to have treated her quite poorly once she told him about the pregnancy, asked her to abort the baby, and she has taken to social media to 'expose' him. She has been invited onto this stream to discuss it and says she doesn't want Fresh to have anything to do with the baby as he has rejected the baby already by asking her to get an abortion. She discusses how he should be liable for child support and also will need to support her (she clarifies wrt pregnancy and childbirth related expenses) while she is in America as she can't work as she's on a tourist visa. Destiny starts off raising some fair questions re what if he apologises dont you want the kid to know their father, think of what is best for baby etc but very quickly seems to decide she's a gold digger calling her human trash and "subhuman filth", the worst kind of human etc and tells her she's going to ruin her future child's life all for money. He openly accuses her of trapping fresh and of being a gold digger based on not very much at all. It's extremely ... yikesy, and misogynistic. https://youtu.be/cB7rWtfO-iA?si=gYCybDR3z8tKpONy The toxicity starts at about 29m, and again at 36m and at 1hr17m he goes on a VILE misogynistic rant about her being plastic and other racist and abusive stuff that I dont think I can even repeat her and also mocks her accent. It's pretty bad.

Anna J

@infinityward except I didn’t frame the ddos kid incident, I referenced it. I even posted a link that goes over the situation including destiny’s defence for why killing them would have been justifiable. Regarding your edit: destiny was one of the top Twitch streamers at the time making tons of money and not in a desperate living situation. Killing the kid and his father because his stream was going down is a justification that wouldn’t hold up in any court. He knew that and said that’s why he didn’t carry through with it: the risk of getting caught was too great

Par

I think your framing of the whole Kid ddos situation is extremely uncharitable, the same thing you’re accusing him of doing. The kid was fucking with his income, if some dude was slashing your tires everyday before work and there was nothing you could do I’m sure you’d also want to kill that person. Everyone laughs because it’s the internet and they don’t understand this kid was literally preventing him from providing for his family. Sure it’s a bit unhinged to say you want to kill the kid, but desperate times make you well… desperate.

Infinityward

Destiny seems to be somewhat addicted to dealing with unhinged, drama prone people. He must, in some sense, enjoy it.

Christopher Kavanagh

If you think Max’s edgy pedo stuff discounts everything he says then what does that say about destiny choosing the regularly collaborate and platform Max? Destiny knew all about the Cuties stuff long before destiny started their professional relationship

Par

Max is indeed very unhinged, agreed. None of the information presented was disputed, though. The real problem was Max presenting too much evidence for each of the situations and drawing harsher conclusions than others thought reasonable. Personally I see destiny as a very flawed person with some cultish tendencies but he’s also a brilliant debater I agree with on most things. Both can be true

Par

Destiny’s video from today good for a reaction. The moment at 45:10 captures a few quintessential things: destiny’s edgy debate bro style and his more problematic lack of charity/nuance. At that timestamp someone is asking him if opposing the war is wrong: https://youtu.be/4hi5sl8-CJ8?feature=shared For a bit of additional context destiny was arguing no one actually cares about the IDF committing war crimes (obviously absurd); they only claim to care because they want the war to end. Through his tendency to think in extremes he conflates opposition to the war with support for Hamas. While true Hamas supporters want the war to end for that reason, most people want the war to end because (1) the extent of civilian death and (2) the recognition that Hamas can’t be destroyed through military intervention. Failure to recognize the impossibility of eliminating Hamas only serves to condone the endless civilian casualties. Experts have been pointing this out for months (https://www.dw.com/en/israel-conflict-can-hamas-really-be-completely-eliminated/a-67692070) While destiny did lessen the strength of his first statement about the total elimination of Hamas down to ‘remove Hamas from administrative power’ it doesn’t change anything for reasons outlined in the DW article. And just to be clear regarding my perspective: the invasion of Gaza by Israel following Ovt 7 was completely justified. Attacking Hamas infrastructure, wiping out Hamas soldiers, and the unfortunate and inevitable collateral damage was, again, morally justified. However there are legitimate concerns around proportionality, the extent of civilian casualties, especially in context of ultimate futility of a military solution. The issue is destiny’s inability to recognize the various reasonable ways people might reach different conclusions without assuming the most extreme motivations (eg pro-Hamas, antisemitism, etc). Also just a couple minutes before the above timestamp he bans someone who challenges him (see my other comment outlining his pattern of mass bans and regular silencing dissent which puts a chill on honest disagreements — a very guruish tendency).

Par

What makes her a Nazi is all the Nazi shit she said and did, and still says and does.

Daniel Harper

Lauren Southern was literally dating a Nazi at the height of her popularity. That doesn’t make her a Nazi, however….

Melissa

the pot calling the kettle black

Adam Sher

Because Max Carson is a self admitted pedophile...

Daas Nahk

Think we covered it at the time!

Christopher Kavanagh

One should be extremely skeptical of Max Carson, as he is very unhinged. Not to say there could be no merits in his report, but one should be very aware of his motivations behind it.

Mert

Oh and how could we not link Max Carson’s massive manifesto attacking destiny and outlining in excruciating detail some of the more egregious things destiny has committed. From destiny planning the murder of a father and son for DDOSing his stream to having an ongoing sexual relationship lasting years with a vulnerable mentally ill fan named Ana (this saga was wild and showed off craziness destiny has toward relationships). Don’t read the whole thing, it’s a book and 100x longer than needed but it does show a different side to Mr Borelli https://mrgirl.substack.com/p/the-destiny-report Obviously you might not want to include things about his personal life but given the dynamic as leader of a massive loyal fan base there does seem to be some significant hints of guru nature

Par

Seems like most people are posting examples of good destiny content. While that’s fine it’s not within the spirit of the podcast. As a longtime fan of Steve and very active member of his subreddit since 2015 there are some traits that absolutely could be addressed. I will say his negative tendencies seem more cultish than guru-ish but you be the judge. First, destiny has created a culture in his community of silencing dissenting opinions. Over there years he’s carried out mass permabans of likely tens of thousands from his community for either subscribing to another community he hates or for having different opinions from him. For the latter he only permabans for “low effort” criticisms but in practice it creates a chilling effect. He says the user can just go through the ban appeal process but it’s easier to keep silent than risk the hassle. It’s led to a concentration of extremely loyal parasocial dggers who will agree with him on *every* single one of his positions. It is a great business model though since it creates a community loyal to the streamer! Secondly, his history of sexual relationships is absolutely unhinged. A couple notable mentions are his sexual relationship with Lauren Southern and a mentally ill fan Ana. He lied and cheated on Melina (now ex wife) multiple times and has said he’s extremely emotionally abusive to his partners often making them feel suicidal. There’s so much dysfunction I won’t get into others but he could exercise a lot more self control. To destiny’s credit he never advocates for his poly lifestyle. Thirdly, destiny is often uncharitable despite continual lip service to the contrary. When he doesn’t understand an argument he’ll assume the worst faith interpretation to make the person look insane. A significant example off the top of my head was the Rittenhouse debate with vaush (yes the short stack lolihorse cock enjoyer). I understand destiny not understanding vaush’s argument in the heat of the moment but he continued to misrepresent it long after. It’s not uncommon All that said I think destiny is an incredibly good debater and I agree with him on most things. Just adding some perspective to the common accusations he’s formed a cult like community

Par

I don't think Grim comes across very well in that interaction... though I might be biased by his extremely poor coverage of the lab leak and equally high confidence.

Christopher Kavanagh

They are many things, including hard right apologists, who, at the absolute least, have a very high tolerance/fondness for white nationalists, including, at times, neo-Nazis. Kanye is pretty fond of Hitler. What has Candace said about him? Or how about her own comments about what Hitler did wrong? Lauren Southern... didn't she go on a tour with Stefan Molyneux after his pivot to white nationalism? Not to mention all the stuff with Richard Spencer and her general ethno-nationalism/racism. I don't know, they don't seem a million miles divorced to me.

Christopher Kavanagh

"Pals around" is an interesting way to say "pushes back on their ideas at every available opportunity". Also, Lauren and Candace may be many things, but they aren't Nazis.

Daz

Little tid bit from a recent JRE about destiny. https://youtu.be/GA_4mr0S3-8?si=pnNVPWfLI-mFicaO JR proposes that Destiny should debate Ben Shapiro, unaware that this already happened with Lex Fridman. Coleman informs him, then Joe gives a quick summary of Destiny "He's so ridiculous. He does a Wikipedia search and then just starts going after things like he's an expert." Probably not that relevant but I found it amusing, and also ironic.

Kieran Lockyer

Destiny on twitter is so toxic, I've blocked him to save my sanity. Here he is just straight up mocking Aaron Bushnell: https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1762575349630599213

Jovan Popov

Nobody should be subjected to this debate.

Andy

This is a fun one you might personally enjoy, a bit of Nebraska Steve coming out (Nebraska Steve is what people refer to as his shit talking 20's era), https://youtu.be/zxNcCo6YdPk

Daas Nahk

Check out his Dr K conversation about prescription drugs. It's an unusual conversation for Destiny because he's on the backfoot and Dr K changes his mind in real time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ncWjad_BUU Anavoir is a story that's sorta been memory-holed intentionally by Destiny to avoid harassment going towards her but imo it shows an unusual level of empathy on his part. He helps solve the mental health issues driving his stalker to obsess over him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq-mwgQJNB0&list=PLhhoyfFyuZCrZPoL32n4_IIQH86Ddx6Tc&index=51

lulu

He has 2 debates with Ben Burgis that I think highlight his blind spots when talking with people to the left of him. Rent control: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaSjd--cM-Y Socialism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaKBp9x3CpE

Dan

I think this is a good video, he is discussing a NYT article with Ryan grim and the journalistic failings within the article, he cant.seem to shake the debate me bro logic, for journalistic standards and data. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TNNc3tnrwJE&pp=ygURRGVzdGlueSByeWFuIGdyaW0%3D

Laura Boyce

Oh no now i have to look this up.

Bevin Flynn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-PHbg7bx3U this one might be useful. the premise is that this guy ActualJake is confronting Destiny on his toxic community, and what Destiny's responsibility is to stop his community from being so toxic. Destiny explains what he believes his responsibility is to his community.

mill23

Make sure to check out his interview with the 3 twitter “files” journalists. That was Destiny’s finest moment imo. He absolutely torches them. (Not saying this should be the main focus of the ep but as a highlight as to when he can be good.) https://youtu.be/7TWMPzGDvUM Destiny does deserve a lot of criticism but he can be very affective on a few issues. This was one of them. His very basic research and approach reveals how shallow right wing media is in this “debate”. Twitterfiles got an enormous amount of attention, and it doesn’t hold up to even the smallest bit of scrutiny. He can be a good antidote for the new alternative RW media sphere. (And he has done some on the ground campaigning in swing states for progressives, last one I remember was in Georgia he did some good work.) His weaknesses are pretty obvious tho. The last interview he had with Nathan Robinson I think it was showcased his limited abilities on more complicated subjects.

William Reznicek

His recent debates on Israel are a good example of his style of 'turn up and rely on quick thinking and rhetoric' failing.

David Noble

I’m also not a fan of the rapid delivery style, but that’s because I’m a slow processor.

Linda Sears

Thank you so much for doing this podcast. It's really important to scrutinize the emerging class of new media that is becoming more and more "influential" (I think that's probably the right term!) in our everyday discourse. I really look forward to this podcast and have included just a few ideas and possible sources. First off, I think it would be beneficial to define your approach with these streamers. I was listening to your podcast on Hasan Piker - which was very good - and noticed you began by defining him based on his political approach. He is a "tankie" or a "far leftist." Now, I have barely listened to Hasan Piker, but I think above all else he is a capitalist who is a major figure in media. None of these people are academics, intellectuals, philosophers, and certainly none of them have consistent political values. They espouse whichever "take" will garner them more capital and power. Sartre and Camus debating Russian versus American imperialism on the left bank they are not. What I mean to say is, to quote Destiny, intent matters. On Piers Morgan show, Piker defines himself as a "propogandist." Destiny went on the show and gave a much more neo-liberal definition of his métier: "As part of the media, my job is to shape public opinion." So, this is the new media which is just the next evolution of the old media. As Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent put it: media and propaganda are one and the same. Destiny represents the neo-liberal political view which is to say pro American imperialism, pro globalist, pro Western values (as they are just superior to any thing not Western), all under the veil of supposed leftist sympathies - as long as they align with his Western capitalist values (it's fine to bomb the Houthis, above all because they are interrupting global trade - the ultimate sin!) In a larger sense, Destiny and Hassan are two sides of the same coin. Now, since your podcast is about the "rhetorical tactics used to make [a] case in the absence of substance" I will try my best to be specific, but most of these rhetorical tactics - as I understand this term - can be just as easily applied to Hasan as Destiny, I'm just more aware of Destiny. 1) Performance - all of these streamers appear in excrutiating pain when they hear a point of view that differs from their own, as if their opponents argument is causing them psychic harm. I've had people come by my computer and ask my why the man on my screen looks like his brain is about to explode. Performance and optics are huge. 2) Binary thinking and use of legal terms or technical vocabulary - this one is especially applicable to Destiny. Destiny pigeonholes definitions of terms and really just sees the world in black and white legal terms. He's been accused of "autism" and it wouldn't surprise me if he is on the spectrum. However, words have more than their legal application tied to them. They also have etymological roots and connotations. Maybe what Israel is doing in Gaza is not LEGALLY genocide, but we can say that there is a race (genos) being killed (-cide). Destiny is so absorbed by the words he often misses the larger picture. 3) Deflection and language: he often deflects terms or uses other terms when arguing. I have a lot of papers to grade so I'm going to stop there. Here are a couple of links to some interviews of his where all of these are on full display: Here he debates I-P war with someone who actually understands the new media landscape, very refreshing to see him get caught a few times: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEuFqEErHno&t=811s Here he is debating David Pakman where they spend 30 minutes talking about the latter's tweet until finally he gives up and says okay whatever you're right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpbZ6XiVxtI&t=2512s

Jovan Popov

Yeah you would not enjoy it

Oliver Bostridge

The debate with Marc Lamont Hill was great; the debate with Finkelstein was unlistenable, though it would be good fun to hear Finkelstein insulting Destiny and calling him by the wrong name. Really don’t want too much coverage of the latter one.

Travis

There's already a fair amount of comments suggesting supplementary videos so I won't bother throwing on too much to the pile, aside from this classic 3-min clip of him going 'Nebraska Steve' on conservatives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxNcCo6YdPk Definitely take a look at https://www.omniversus.io as a more comprehensive resource listing his media appearances. Additionally, I'd like to spotlight that what makes Destiny truly unique in the sheer breadth of both conversation topics and debate/discussion partners he'll try to substantively engage with. A lot of online communities nowadays can be defined by having a 'constellation' of shared beliefs. The reason why most of those communities would eagerly protest that Destiny is most certainly not 'one of us' is because, in their totality, Destiny's positions don't map particularly well with any one group. Some may describe this as simply being 'contrarian', but those same people would probably have a hard time finding Destiny contradict himself against a previously stated position. Regardless of how you might explain it, I think the fact that he only ever has to defend his own positions, instead of defending an entire constellation of positions, is why he has been able to grow so much in these past few years. It renders him immune to audience capture, and makes him open to speaking to almost anyone along the entire ideological spectrum. And when they're talking to him, it's oftentimes more engaging because the opposition cannot default to a standard set of talking points recycled for use against particular 'groups'.

Mark

Another post where he calls Political analyst Rabbani whom he debated not long ago a grifter who makes money off dead Palestinian babies. https://x.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1773071656245739838?s=20 Maybe I'm being too sensitive but it just all seems very unprofessional and unserious for someone who seems to be trying to break into more serious places of discourse.

Anna J

Is that the Bret W ticket he proposed?

Adam Sher

Another very recent example of his apparent lack of any sense of decency is him reposting this on X which is a (rather cringeworthy) mockery/joke regarding the delivery of aid into Gaza. In the context of the current famine plus the killing of the 7 aid workers by the IDF it again, just paints him as a deeply unserious propagandist. https://x.com/AviBittMD/status/1774793984839160270?s=20

Anna J

He says some wildly awful stuff that just makes me think he lacks decency generally. For example this tweet: https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1765574691995926735 Like obviously he's a streamer and part of that is being an edgelord but he also seems to want to be taken seriously and have genuine debates and discussions, but when I see tweets like this I can't help but think this is an unserious person who lacks integrity.

Anna J

if you go to his youtube channel (@destiny) and sort videos by most popular, you'll get what you want. It's not 100% representative of his audience's tastes because on top is the stuff that goes viral with larger youtube, but it's an alright sample.

lvl5hm

He has 2 pretty different sides though- his more normie persona ( see recent foray into politics with Brianna Wu and interview with Ro Kanna ( sic) ) and his streaming which can be incredibly insulting petty righteous. Fridman’s wasn’t terrible interview as did touch on both with the ‘R’ word stuff and the poly stuff (RIP) but he’s a slippery one and would be easy to get wrong . But the Seder Rittenhouse does capture his contrarian side ( for the ‘left’) quite well. Good luck….

Brainbiter

Mr Boticelli

Kelley

C’mon -it’s pronounced Bonarellismo

Brainbiter

Definitely cover the long-form content for Destiny!

nazar dzoba

Not streamer related, but is there any chance we could have a Unity 20/20 special? I’m not sure everyone grasps just how narcissistic and deluded these two twats are 🙏

NIALL DAVISON

I don't think he's done that for years at this point.

Oliver Bostridge

I tried googling, there's some reddit threads w ppl going through their fave debates. That might be representative. But most of the 'best of' videos are gaming moments. Or at least a debate in which his playing a game while debating. Almost impressive tbh, probably adhd-related. That might not be what you're looking for.

Matt

Don't know anything about Destiny or streamers in general (too old!). But the thing I always lack in Guru coverage in general is any sense of where their audience is at. Obviously it comes into the discussion re audience capture (particularly around specific hot-button topics like anti-vaxx etc). But with someone like Destiny, I have no idea what his audience is. Is there any way to do a review of his most-viewed (or popular/liked? are there likes in Twitch/whatever?) episodes re topic to see what most draws his audience?

Paul Bowman

When are you guys going to do an episode on Blender Guru? He IS secular and is obviously a guru (It's in the name) It's about time somebody took his 3d tutorials down a notch.

Said Polat

I've been waiting for this one, heres the big stuff you guys might be interested in. The most famous video of him is outing Jontron, one of the most famous youtubers at the time as a Neo Nazi, https://youtu.be/6RQA9GZprqM This was his first cancelling as was harassed by quite a few famous communities online h3h3, the creator of Smiling Friends and others. Destiny fact checking process in real time (10:30-17min): https://youtu.be/BKlnF_Ig5AQ?t=637 Conversation with uni professor on conspiracy theories https://youtu.be/FpY2TTe7i_k Micheal Shellinberger leaving a panel after Destiny started asking him question about his environmental research and data he was citing https://youtu.be/uOe6oNmmQuQ?t=3966 Destiny on Satire vs Disinformation, bonus calling Maajid Nawaz a wanna be James Bond , also Seth Dillion and Libby Emmons: https://youtu.be/t74oI7Mcl80 Debating James Linsdey on conspiracies (Digital Dollar, ESG, etc) https://youtu.be/EHxlD8UwmKk Destiny giving a lecture on information gathering and research to a college class: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeMa_jqAtkA Destiny finding out mid debate that Leighton Woodhouse, David Zweig never verified any of the twitter file information given by Elon https://youtu.be/7TWMPzGDvUM The debate that ended Destiny and Hasans relationship regarding lying about political opponents https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho Destiny Nick Fuentes Debate that people cite when saying they are friends: https://youtu.be/KLCus6oI3g4 The debate that was shown in congress with him debating nick fuentes, sneako and others. https://youtu.be/F9-BUjsh7xg Will add another thing that theirs alot of content related to him since he's the first the streamer. I doubt there's anyone who's been filmed more than him. Does help his positions he wrote out in his wiki https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Positions and his notes he live publishes now https://publish.obsidian.md/destiny

Daas Nahk

I hope Mr Vermicelli uses his right of reply. Whatever you choose will be great.

HustleTron9000

I've only heard him through your podcast and my opinion of the guy is he needs to talk slower. The hyper speech becomes careless and isn't the best way to have a substantive discussion or debate.

Daniel

I would suggest his debate with Sam Seder on Kyle Rittenhouse. It's long form (but not 4+ hours). It's one-on-one. And, I find it is representative of how Destiny approaches analysis of hot button political issues/news stories. It's a bit dry for the first 20 minutes but I think there are good examples of his thought process and rhetorical techniques. https://youtu.be/5iPsH8v1YNE?si=fF24Qf_bcNUJq2WS

Jon B

I think Alex O’Connor and Chris Williamson’s interviews are the best for his current philosophy, way of thinking etc. he’s changed a fair bit in his rhetoric and style compared to the years where he was doing killstream debates with the alt-right

Adrian Barrett

hmm...i say slavoi, destiny is ok though

N ERIC GEORGE LEKAI

Whatever clips you use I’d recommend trying to find where they originally came from. There’s been a few I’ve seen (in the sub and elsewhere) that seem pretty bad but when I looked for the original vid, whoever clipped it took out the end where he says something to the effect of “no but seriously” or “is what I would say if I was r****d” (which is imo bad but in a different way). I’ve seen similar weird clip stuff done to other streamers — seems like a common strat in streamer world to flood the zone with misleading clips of the people you hate. The Richard Wolff debate is one I’ve seen people talking about lot about. Wolff himself is pretty guru-y so maybe there’s an opportunity for killing two birds with one stone: https://youtu.be/JcA5szcnESY?si=wRWo9Nf9wgleFFFh

Ethan Milne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7IgSuADdMQ debating Cenk Uygur on Israel Palestine https://youtu.be/j-wmU-nIHnA video of him explaining his moral system https://youtu.be/7TWMPzGDvUM debating Leighton Woodhouse, David Zweig and Bill Ottman on the Twitter Files, Elon Musk, Hunter Biden laptop story and censorship (good exploration of his epistemology) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7i1ZUoBkxM debating TheStockGuy on that GME meme stock debacle (dismantling a guru?) https://streamable.com/mojsp9 rant about convervatives

mill23

https://youtu.be/O7-8dqCOJMY?si=DHYn9GF-zSuv0XmJ

Brynn

His conversion with “Dr K” might be worth consideration.

Brynn

Ya, we will definitely discuss the habit and probably play some (in)famous clips, but I think those episodes would mostly end up being about the Nazi stuff.

Christopher Kavanagh

Personally I think understanding why Destiny pals around with Nazis is essential to understanding what he does. My methods are not yours of course.

Daniel Harper

We will discuss it, but any episode like that would mostly end up being mostly about Fuentes. The same goes for Lauren Southern and Candace Owens.

Christopher Kavanagh

https://youtu.be/u4lYO98fYwo?si=IIV8ykEU2GW1mym_

Matthias

He had an interview on Graham Stephan’s show. Graham is a financial guru (bordering on grifter) who (often poorly) interviews random people. Anyway, Destiny is called the “anti Ben Shapiro” and he discusses his life, how he prepares for debates, and how he formulates his political ideology.

Matthias

Yeah, I know about this one... but I gotta say that dealing with 2 hrs of amateur philosophizing does not sound very appealing.

Christopher Kavanagh

Also if you’re gonna cover vaush later put this one in your backlog to watch as destiny does a good job of covering the major issues that vaush has https://youtu.be/F4_9VZxtM9M?si=bCfmjKEv1kJ6_908

YellowDreams

Why not decode one of the many times he got friendly with Nick Fuentes?

Daniel Harper

YellowDreams


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