Jamie Wheal: Right to Respond
Added 2022-12-02 03:39:24 +0000 UTCWell, this is an interesting episode.
For those wondering if there was ever going to be a sensemaker right-to-respond episode, the answer is yes and here it is.
We had some audio difficulties at the start so you might notice some shifts and some low-quality segments. We will do our best to fix it in post.
There are no edits/we haven't even reviewed and as such would appreciate folks keeping the content in the Patreon bubble for now.
But I am very interested to hear feedback. We get into quite a lot of things and there is probably more discussion of covid than you would have imagined.
Comments
I listened to it on double speed. I could understand Chris and Matthew but Jamie sounded like a breathy word salad for the most part, garnished with occasionally recognisable catch phrases and some peppercorns of fuck.
Lina Neild Robinson
2023-01-19 07:51:19 +0000 UTCThanks Chris and Matt, for giving Jamie his right to reply. I really appreciated your discipline in the discussion and your ability to take up specific points. The importance of critique by peers in the field, where there is not only an agreed, evolving knowledge base, but also a robust means for deriving new data, was lost on Jamie, I think. What a person knows and how they know it is an exercise in humility. I don’t mean that in the virtuous sense, but that sometimes, we have to get out of our own ways’ to see new information. How we see ourselves affects how we see everything else. That you guys could hold enough space to critically look at what he was saying, manage your reactions to the speed and content of his delivery, and then speak assertively and coherently, was something I’ll learn from. Thanks again :)
Carmel L
2022-12-28 00:38:19 +0000 UTCCan this guy stop fucking swearing? I've got a hot ear now! Gonna have to get my fucking cooling mist. Wait, how many more times does he need to say fucking before you realise that he's just a casual down to earth guy who doesn't care about the bullshit? Also what the fuck is his accent? Maybe its the 1.25 speed messing with my first person phenomenological experience of the acoustics.
bagelsavant
2022-12-13 00:55:42 +0000 UTCI assume they mean what Adderall/ stimulants do to most people, which is to amp them up (which IMO fits the bill for how Jamie sounds). I also have ADHD and take Adderall.
Will
2022-12-11 09:29:27 +0000 UTCSame. I couldn't stomach him.
Kerri-Anne Edge Hill
2022-12-11 08:17:32 +0000 UTCI have ADHD, and I take medication for it. Can you explain the Adderall quip to me?
Artemis Green
2022-12-11 05:04:30 +0000 UTCThankfully the remaining hour and half was a little less frenetic. Maybe the Adderall was wearing off or something. Having listened to the overall thing, I think the moment at 9:53 where he is outraged by Chris daring to suggest that Thiel, Musk and the rest of the PayPal mafia were maybe just flukey enough to be in the right place at the right time, he is actually spluttering, pausing, biting down his words when he says "Spoken... spoken like a... spoken like a.. bitter lefty.. postmodernist! Well done! Well done!" Kind of a mask slip moment for me. But like I say, he was more hyped at the start and seemed to gain a little more control over his composure as the interview went on (although it always felt a little precarious tbh)
Paul Bowman
2022-12-06 19:07:48 +0000 UTCAn aside, but love the username 🙂
Cillian McCotter
2022-12-06 17:14:58 +0000 UTCYea gods and little fishes. I'm only 34 minutes in and I'm exhausted already. It's like listening to someone coked up to their eyeballs or in the manic phase of bipolar disorder (I've spent time with bipolar friends during manic episodes and it's similarly exhausting and the mercurial sudden mood swings from bonhomie to aggression are also reminiscent)
Paul Bowman
2022-12-06 15:15:19 +0000 UTCThanks Doug. I encountered their stuff on the Cover Story podcast about abuse by therapists. As a cult survivor this hit very very close to home. As an org designer and lefty this critique of the "rich people will save us" narrative hits close to the heart. btw not sure if you'll remember but we met a couple times through our mutual Aaron D in NYC.
Bob Gower
2022-12-04 15:06:33 +0000 UTCTheir best stuff is in these episodes. Very scary stuff that psychedelics gurus do to their acolytes: https://www.psymposia.com/
Douglas Rushkoff
2022-12-04 02:48:30 +0000 UTCRather: https://youtu.be/0VDrP3ONf5g
Douglas Rushkoff
2022-12-04 02:42:16 +0000 UTCGawd. Do you think he came on to prove he is less of a dick than we already thought? #fail.
Amy McDonald
2022-12-03 20:22:34 +0000 UTCI’d love a link to the YouTube critique of the psychedelic therapy. I find that world full of hubris and ego so it’s hard to separate wheat
Bob Gower
2022-12-03 14:59:09 +0000 UTCWell done guys. I have no idea how you were so patient. I used to love JWs books but man that emperor is naked.
Bob Gower
2022-12-03 14:08:25 +0000 UTCWell done smug to boot. Wow. That was one of the highest piles of BS I’ve ever heard
Rod Hodges
2022-12-02 20:01:45 +0000 UTCOMG. If there a were contest where you had to express the simplest idea with as many words as possible and you could even make up your own jargon this guy would be king. I hated his convoluted BS. Very interesting though. Wow,all to sell some “supplements” or “personal growth mountain climbing” or who knows what. Ugh! Sorry to be so negative but this was a pretty good hate listening session.
Rod Hodges
2022-12-02 20:00:01 +0000 UTCI don’t know how Matt and Chris were able to handle his word salad, served smug
chuckboy
2022-12-02 19:41:21 +0000 UTC“Are people like Jordan and Daniel well-positioned to evaluate the efficacy of hydroxychlorquine and other clinical research?” “Well they do have a nine figure nutritional supplement company…” 🙄
Scott
2022-12-02 15:08:49 +0000 UTCArgh. Got about 5 mins in and could not handle Mr Braggy McBrag.
Emma
2022-12-02 05:59:41 +0000 UTC
