Violet Evergarden 1x5 Reaction Extended (YT link below)
Added 2022-09-05 18:12:23 +0000 UTCIn Violet Evergarden episode 5, a princess has the difficult task of getting out of bed on time to save the world from another war.
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Streamable Link:
https://streamable.com/33m2cu
YouTube Link:
https://youtu.be/7_JdpyQH4zs
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benj
2022-10-02 17:56:00 +0000 UTCBASED. Where were you when this upload got dropped?
benj
2022-10-02 17:55:51 +0000 UTCIt is not weird to, as a man, want to take care of the person you are in a relationship with. Case in point: Look at egirls, just chatting streamers, o.f. models and sugar babes. There is absolutely no logical reason for men (and the vast majority are men) to be spending their money like that with no apparent value gained in return, unless we accept that they have a natural instinct to provide. As a species we have evolved by having the male provide for the female.
Arakis
2022-09-30 21:45:31 +0000 UTCThe age difference in a relationship is being blown out of proportion in today's society, because women stay single until an increasingly older age. This is not good for the current societal structure and the State, and there is a conscientious effort to shame men so that they, as the saying goes "make honest women" out of the 30-35+ singles. This goes against human nature, and specifically men's. Our subconscious hivemind has not caught up to a society that has changed in an extremely fast pace the past 100 years, from how it raised us in the past thousands of years. It is normal for men to look for younger women. "She could be his daughter" and "He's grooming the naive young girl" are being thrown around a lot, because they invoke feelings of disgust (incest and criminal behaviour) even when they don't apply at all. A 17yo and a 27yo that just met are obviously not related and there is obviously nothing sinister. But when 45% of women aged 25-45 will be single by 2030 (source: https://www.morganstanley.com/ideas/womens-impact-on-the-economy), logic goes out the window and men need to be steered accordingly.
Arakis
2022-09-30 21:31:08 +0000 UTCAmerican children* fixed that for you. Americans coddle children till they're well into their late teens.
Xalmor
2022-09-27 14:49:33 +0000 UTCThis was never said...
Xalmor
2022-09-27 14:47:54 +0000 UTCAmerican's are way too up their own ass with the "18 or bust" shit we have going on. Even in our own country 15-16 is the legal age in a large number of the states. Most everywhere else in the world the legal age is 15-16. We coddle people too much. Force them to stay immature and stupid till they're in their 20s. Look at Callmecarson. The girl he dated was 17 and 9 months when he just turned 19. People lost their SHIT over that. A year age gap and people wanted blood.
Xalmor
2022-09-27 14:42:21 +0000 UTC“Is there anything a good letter can’t solve?” “That is the most comfortable bed I’ve ever seen,” (various comments of shock as to Violet being fourteen years old) “Also, that was adorable. And terrifying,” “Arranged marriages are no better or worse than modern relationships, intrinsically. It’s just the other side of the spectrum,” (the entire talk about age differences and arranged marriages) “While I’m sinking my whole ship with my opinions, I’ll say this too-” “There’s nothing weak about relying on someone,” “She was able to get out of bed this morning. THAT’S how you know life’s going well,” “Oh yeah, I almost forgot about this lurking evil,” “This guy needs to write a letter,”
Geneva The Weeba
2022-09-20 21:25:48 +0000 UTCI think it makes sense for her character journey. She grows up as the story goes on and she also grows in confidence as a person. Have you seen the VE final movie yet? She is basically an adult by than.
benj
2022-09-08 21:16:22 +0000 UTCi really wish they didnt make violet so young like she couldve easily been a little older
Amber
2022-09-08 04:05:56 +0000 UTCI don't know...I don't think there's any way to circumvent the creepiness of him knowing and being romantically interested in her when he was 20 and she was 10...
phaedra mladen
2022-09-08 01:19:19 +0000 UTCI remember watching this episode for the first time and it being pretty off putting. My main takeaway from this episode was just the heartwarming mother daughter relationship between the princess and Alberta, THAT was the part that hit me. While I agree that in this anime, the princess' marriage appears that it's going to be fine, it's not particularly realistic. Too much unknown for me to really have a positive opinion. I just don't see how I can back their relationship. Children are just not typically of a sound mind and philosophy, they likely do not know better. The way you articulated the nuances and grey area of a topic like this, is something I agree with, but my agreement with you and discomfort with this are concurrent.
Gabriel Barott
2022-09-07 03:39:40 +0000 UTCFor me as well there is a huge distinction between what I'm okay with in real life vs. what I think is safe to explore in media. Thanks for the good vibes as always :D
Alex G
2022-09-06 17:56:22 +0000 UTCGoddamn man how you manage to breach a topic as touchy as age in relationships - with what could be seen as a controversial opinion - and manage to make it not-controversial and totally make sense baffles me. This is why I love your content, you pick apart issues and get to their philosophical roots. Idk why people react so strongly to some of this stuff - nothing is black and white, everything is situational (as you put so much more accurately in the video).
Aidan Pullen
2022-09-06 16:12:57 +0000 UTCi forgot violet was 14 XD wait is that....OMG IT IS DAMIENS VA IS MY FAVORITE SEIYU TSUDA KENJIROU AHHHHH I myself wouldn't hate u for dating someone 10 years younger than you, the hate would come if they were a minor this in real life: gross this in anime: perfectly fine as its fictional i have zero qualms here my toxic trait is shipping characters out of spite XD regardless i cried then i cried now still a damn good episode Edit: oh god i just skimmed the replies, this is why i don't bring up what i am and am not ok with cuz it just leads to heated....discussions? arguments? regardless just a bunch of negativity that i don't want to be involved with i just want the wholesome good vibes
Brimmy
2022-09-06 05:38:49 +0000 UTCEpisode 10 still takes the cake for me. Charlotte and Damian is just cutsey fluff.
ArmdVctr
2022-09-06 03:21:28 +0000 UTCSir, This is a Wendy's
benj
2022-09-06 02:45:00 +0000 UTCBased takes, not suprised in the slightest from Goodwin himself. I agree this is one of my fav episodes of the show and definitely the second best so far behind episode 3 imo. The romance is gripping, I knew there would be some negative reaction to this episode on here but I didn't realize it would be so universal. I wonder if Youtube is gonna rip you apart or just not care lmfao. Great reaction nonetheless.
benj
2022-09-06 02:40:36 +0000 UTCThank you for these perspectives. These are questions I find myself also struggling with as I read through and reflect on the different comments so far. I also really appreciate how you approached your conversation with your grandmother with genuine openness and reflection. Given the context of our day and age, I would say that a 14 year old child would be too immature to really understand what true love is. But I won’t discount that a 14 year old child from a different generation, growing up in different circumstances, and entrusted with a different set of societal responsibilities, could be emotionally mature enough to make such decisions for herself. In this particular episode, I am consoled that they showed that the Princess and Prince really made an effort to genuinely get to know one another and build an authentic and respectful relationship. I can accept their relationship based on that. However, I will not encourage this as an acceptable norm. Unfortunately, in both the past and the present, large age gaps are susceptible to abuse, and if there is even the smallest risk that any person, much more so a child, will suffer any form of abuse because of a particular culture, I think that culture should be corrected. Edit: I hope I made some sense also. It's really early here in my timezone and I will admit the sleepiness and a lack of breakfast make thinking more difficult. That being said, I am of course open to reevaluating my stance given further information, discussion, and some food.
Hofitel
2022-09-06 00:06:33 +0000 UTCthis is my first time rewatching the show so i've only just clocked that the prince has the same VA as Hannes from aot and Nanami from jjk
malikparah
2022-09-05 23:09:32 +0000 UTCIf it's any consolation, some of these historical marriages aren't expected to be consummated until the younger party, usually the girl is of age. The marriage is usually done early to get the formalities and contracts out of the way. There is a manga called Bride Stories which depicts a 12 year old boy and his 20 year old wife, and so far it's well received and the couple haven't consummated their marriage yet. The wife treats her husband like her younger brother. If this episode lead with this non-consummation point then I think people would be a bit more accepting as the modern views of marriage is that consummation happens shortly after.
ArmdVctr
2022-09-05 22:08:35 +0000 UTCMy biggest issue with this show, like everyone pointed out, is most definitely the controversial age gaps and minor girl-adult man relationships. And it reminded me of conversations I had with my grandma a few years back. She married my 26 year old grandfather at the age of 15(fyi- we're indian) This is her point of view- it was very normal to get married at young ages back then and concepts such as grooming wasn't really a social construct. She wasn't coerced and a lot of the girls looked forward to getting married and becoming "adults", and for the most part her marriage was very normal and she didn't have any complaints. I was horrified, but the more I sat down with it, the more I realised it's not always fair to impose my ideals and world view on someone else from a different generation who grew up with a different understanding of the world. Don't get me wrong, to me her relationship still feels wrong, but it's not my place to impose when she thinks she's fine. I think all these child marriages were so normal back then mainly because the culture was so different. This is just with respect to my grandma, but she didn't feel wronged and that's what matters. She grew to love her husband and had no problems marrying as a child (yes you could say, because she was ignorant), but she doesn't really care to change anything in her life. Would you call it grooming? I'm not sure myself. It's still such a nuanced topic that changes from generation and culture. Someone who is not my grandma could have had a very different take on this, so does it come down to one's individual experience? If it really is an individual's experience, does Violet's and the princess' relationship count as grooming when we don't really see the men actually grooming them(solely in the context of this show and what little we're shown). Is their relationship built on their naive exposure to them? Or can 14-18 years olds really fall in and understand true love? Do we have the right to discredit an individual's love because we deem they aren't mature enough? There is a lot to consider and while I'm not trying to defend the relationships this show portrays or even discredit them, I still feel rather conflicted on how to feel about it. Hope I made even a little bit of sense. Just wanted to start an open conversation about it and try to see beyond black and white, right or wrong. On saying all this, these relationships are definitely uncomfortable to watch at this day and age and it's a bit worrisome when it's romanticized, but also at the same time it's portrayed in Violet's POV and is her story of love so can it really be turned into a psa about age gaps?
Bighead
2022-09-05 20:23:43 +0000 UTCWould you react to Rick and morty? The new season just dropped
Seth
2022-09-05 20:21:19 +0000 UTCThat seems to make a lot more sense
Alex G
2022-09-05 19:52:10 +0000 UTCiirc violet is actually 18 in the novels
AryTheDog
2022-09-05 19:27:04 +0000 UTCThis is exactly how I feel as well
Francesca White
2022-09-05 19:12:43 +0000 UTCWhile I agree that things like age don’t have a one to one correlation with everyone across the board, I would also say that the experience one has at an older age can give some advantages that would be easy to abuse in a relationship regardless of emotional maturity. I know that this show is set in semi-historical context, but I wish that it showed a bit more of the issues with a 24 year old being in love with a 14 year old. I love the show, but it does give me a weird feeling that they show an obviously emotionally mature man being interested romantically in a child. Especially when they first met when he was 20 and she was 10, and portraying that as completely without issue. To me you can represent the time and also reflect on how these practices were harmful.
Nicholas Bell
2022-09-05 19:06:42 +0000 UTCit also doesn't help that this character is framed laying in bed with her stuffed animals multiple times, the show clearly showing that she's still a child 😭
Francesca White
2022-09-05 18:55:34 +0000 UTCok so here's my take on this episode before i watch the reaction. i am not a fan of how the subject of child marriage was handled here. don't get me wrong, it could've definitely been worse, and i still really enjoy the show, but i don't think it was handled well. to explain myself, first let me say i don't think it's wrong for a show to have child marriage in it, as long as it is not portrayed in a positive light. and to be fair, they did portray her being married off at 10 as bad, but they still made it seem like a 14 year old and a 24 year old can have a genuine romantic love by the end, which is my problem. i don't mind child marriage being portrayed in historical shows, just like i wouldn't have a problem with say, slavery being portrayed in a historical show. the problem arises if the depiction of these horrible things from the past is too positive. like, if a show featured slavery, but the episode framed it like "i may be a slave, but my master is so nice! i actually don't mind being a slave because it gives me a sense of purpose!". like if we watched an episode of a show and that happened i think we would all be weirded out lmao. so yeah, I wish that this episode didn't end with a romance between a 14 year old and a 24 year old.
Francesca White
2022-09-05 18:47:34 +0000 UTCAt least to me its pretty obvious its not that type of love. Violet also doesn't really look that old, I think people just wanted to assume she was older because she's so pretty.
benj
2022-09-05 18:33:52 +0000 UTCViolet's age also confused me pretty hard when i first watch this episode, and really made me hope Gilbert was speaking about some father/daughter love.
Jak
2022-09-05 18:21:59 +0000 UTCthese are just too good with your insight on the characters and world... we're gunna need the next 8 episodes and movies stat sir, thank ya very much
Toidleboy
2022-09-05 18:16:58 +0000 UTC
