ATLA Rewatch 3x18 & 3x19 Reaction
Added 2021-07-05 04:22:37 +0000 UTCStreamable Link:
Timestamps:
00:00 - Episode 3x18 Reaction
27:32 - Episode 3x19 Reaction
54:24 - Reacting to my reaction 3x18
1:11:00 - Reacting to my reaction 3x19
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I feel like all the previous Avatars get a lot of undeserved slack for the scene where he consults the. As you point out, their advice is not inherently bad. None of them are saying kill the Fire Lord. They're encouraging Aang to make a decision--be decisive, just, attentive (to consequences of actions), and selfless. Yang Chen's advice makes the most sense to me because she's telling Aang that the battle isn't necessarily about him. The outcome is greater than himself, and he shouldn't necessarily be closed off to other possibilities. The lion turtle in many ways feels convenient if you don't really analyze the show. While the show could have done a better job of alluding to the lion turtles earlier, it isn't entirely out of left field. I think that Aang, in the heat of battle, would not have killed Ozai. He would have just contained him like he had. Taking away the villain's bending was to give justice to the viewers.
Soleil
2022-01-29 03:00:39 +0000 UTCI think the Lion Turtle is more of a concrete representation of something abstract, which is Aang sorting out his feelings and beliefs and his way forward as Avatar. It's not like it shows up and solves his problem for him, he still has to fight it out himself and almost loses; it doesn't tell him the answer either, I think of it more as reaffirming what Aang already kinda knew and had decided for himself; and it doesn't come out of nowhere, there has been forshadowing all along, albeit very subtle. This isn't a show where the child protagonist is going to kill the villain, in many ways, killing him would be the easy answer that doesn't really solve the problem. The real problem the Avatar faces here is that the world is out of balance and he has to restore it somehow, but even Iroh realizes that just replacing Ozai as Fire Lord isn't going to do that. There's a lot of things that need to happen simultaneously (freeing the Earth Kingdom, new Fire Nation leadership, the Avatar as the impartial higher power passing judgement on the perpetrator, preventing the end of the world) and while I don't think it very likely, Aang killing the Fire Lord could be construed as an act of revenge for the air nomads, which would just further complicate things. I guess the other Avatars' advice isn't as bad as I remember, but it's also not really helpful? Like, at best they are saying "Idk, man, you're the Avatar now, do what you think is right" and at worst the implication is still "Just kill him and get it over with, that's what I would do". As a teenager it was really unsatisfying for me, but I guess now I can see more nuance in their answers and I think ultimately, that's the point, there is no right answer, you just have to do the work, think about it, reach your own conclusion and see it through, which is what Aang does. He knew he didn't want to kill him, hashed it out for himself, looked for his right answer and then got a reminder that energy bending is a thing that exists and exactly what he's looking for here.
kingafreund
2021-10-15 23:50:39 +0000 UTCYeah I always assumed the only reason Gran Gran would take him back is if he dropped that backwards way of thinking, and considering that he seemed to genuinely open his eyes after being wrecked by Katara, it makes me think he probably had a bit of an awakening and changed.
Nick
2021-07-09 01:03:01 +0000 UTCWhile I'm not massively invested in Pakku and Gran Gran getting back together, I don't think it's entirely unnecessary. The whole reason she left him in the first place was his misogyny. If she's now taken him back, that's a heavy implication that he's worked through those issues and become much more progressive. I would imagine women are allowed to study fighting at the North Pole now, and men are allowed to study healing! Hooray!
Jamie Morgan
2021-07-07 22:36:13 +0000 UTCIt just feels so much more right to me. And as I said in the video it's not so much about the "kill him or don't kill him" question for me, it's more about the "do something I think is wrong to get a desired result" or "hold true to what I believe to be right even though it's difficult." The latter is so immensely satisfying to me
Alex G
2021-07-06 02:09:27 +0000 UTCYeah full cricle! And it's been a little over a year since I started
Alex G
2021-07-06 01:59:47 +0000 UTCI'll take it where I can get it.
Alex G
2021-07-06 01:59:02 +0000 UTCLol it's tough man, these scenes....
Alex G
2021-07-06 01:56:24 +0000 UTCDEFINITELY and they're so directly related
Alex G
2021-07-06 01:56:08 +0000 UTCNo. I’ve watched this show at least 20 times and I still got tears watching him react to it.
thevoidbender
2021-07-06 01:42:36 +0000 UTCAgreed. He looked to her for the most help because she came from the same culture as he did without knowing how she was as a person and an avatar. If he did or had known how her entire philosophy and reign he probably wouldn’t have asked her since she is probably the most ruthless of the four he spoke to despite the funny Kiyoshi memes 😂
thevoidbender
2021-07-06 01:41:24 +0000 UTCI've been here since The Blue spirit episode 13 on yt so you beat me. gonna be sad with no more atla goodwin.
benj
2021-07-06 00:50:01 +0000 UTCAs someone who's in this journey with you since episode 3 on yt (I think...) I'll really miss avatar Sundays. They way you broke down the kore of the show and made me realize a lot of things about life and myself through my favorite show was amazing. And, you are liking someone ❤️ I endend a really long relationship a year ago (10yrs together) and falling for someone new was scarry and exciting at the same time. The reminder to not lose myself and trust in the love process was gold. Tks :)
Raysa Fonseca
2021-07-05 23:33:53 +0000 UTCI really love the past Avatar's advice, even Yangchen's being the least helpful. They're all trying to push him towards realizing this is a decision he needs to make, but also just like how Kuruk knew that Kyoshi wasn't a murderer when he stopped her in the 2nd book, they know who Aang is as a person, and I think they knew he would be able to find a way to solve this problem the way he wanted to, and they just needed to steer him towards that, which they all did, save for Yangchen really. But Yangchen being unhelpful is entirely fitting both because I think it's ironic that the one Aang wanted the most help from was the least useful, but also because we now know how much of a flawed Avatar Yangchen actually was. Her advice was in line with that, but not great advice for Aang's situation, where all the others were.
WolfWarrior623
2021-07-05 22:40:10 +0000 UTCI agree, though I think it's also because a lot of us first watched it as kids/teens, so it's easy to take the advice the same way Aang did. I actually like that Yangchen's advice is the least helpful though, I think it's fitting that the air nomad Avatar did not tell him what he wanted to hear, even if she could understand his conflict.
WolfWarrior623
2021-07-05 22:33:43 +0000 UTCI'm dead, you covering Melonlord's eyes every time. Protect that innocent fruit! Also the whole talk about Aang refusing to take Ozai's life is so much more moving to me in hindsight. Especially having watched AOT now. I had no idea it would continue to be so applicable. It really does feel like a homecoming watching this show. I know the whole burn-it-all-down-and-rise-from-the-ashes thing makes no sense, but some people really do think that way, so it's certainly not coming from nowhere.
Kotryna
2021-07-05 17:20:35 +0000 UTCIs it possible to watch the Iroh-Zuko reunion scene and not get emotional? Even I'm not that dead inside...yet.
benj
2021-07-05 17:04:17 +0000 UTCAgreed
Raysa Fonseca
2021-07-05 16:19:58 +0000 UTCI know im a little late watching it but I love how this whole journey from you first watching ATLA to the ending of the rewatch we go back to the blue wall.
Jay Crigler
2021-07-05 14:18:24 +0000 UTCYou should use this thumbnail for youtube cuz you look soooooooooo cute in it. hehe
Yusuf
2021-07-05 14:01:17 +0000 UTCthe beach episode you wanted back in my hero is here in avatar at least :P
Kamolak
2021-07-05 06:52:34 +0000 UTCI find a lot of people think that the advice from the avatar's is vague or unhelpful, but I've always really liked the advice that they gave. I don't think that they should be expected to just give Aang the perfect solution on a silver platter. While they may be experienced and wise, they're ultimately prone to the same mistakes that regular people can make. No one has gone through the exact situation that Aang is experiencing to tell him what action will give the best outcome. The best that they can do, the best that anyone could do, is share their experiences of the conflicts that they have faced and how they tried to resolve them, with the hope that Aang is able to derive some kind of value out of those experiences to help him with his own struggle. In that, I don't think any of the avatar's gave "bad advice". However, I still don't like Yang Chen's answer. She didn't really recount any experiences for him and her advice sounds dangerously close to telling him that he should sometimes compromise his values for what is convenient. As a side note, I was also unsure what to think of Zuko being selected as firelord over Iroh. The speech Iroh gave about Zuko's worthiness was very moving but I think that Iroh was realistically the better choice. Zuko's grown a lot over his journey, but that doesn't necessarily make him ready to run a country. Iroh at least has some administrative experience as a former general and is almost certainly more qualified to be firelord. It almost seemed selfish of him to push the responsibilities and heavy burden of the throne onto someone so young and inexperienced. However, narratively Zuko was obviously the best and only choice.
Square
2021-07-05 06:34:56 +0000 UTCThe Grandpa Pakku is definitely one of the stranger choices by the show... I don't want to dwell on the negatives too much, but I agree. Very unnecessary.
Aura Y
2021-07-05 06:26:45 +0000 UTCThe lessons of Avatar continue to persist through our lives. It's hard to call anything a perfect show, but it really has so many great moments and so much depth in its writing. (I feel like I'm writing for the finale, but just stream of consciousness). If you ever do decide to do a 2-hr video analysis of Zuko or any character for that matter, I'd love to watch it!
Aura Y
2021-07-05 06:24:32 +0000 UTCHahaha you were trying so hard not to cry the second time through
hays collins
2021-07-05 06:10:45 +0000 UTCOff topic but I highly recommend the show Loki if you're into the MCU at all!
GraphicsCow
2021-07-05 05:41:11 +0000 UTC“But if he was wouldn’t his body still be here”. Zuko onlynknows that because he captured Aang in the north poll while he was in a spirit world journey. I just realized that haha
hays collins
2021-07-05 04:54:22 +0000 UTCI bet it’s super refreshing to get back to avatar after watching AOT season 4. Especially the most recent episode you just watched.
hays collins
2021-07-05 04:51:12 +0000 UTCYeah in my first watch I mistakenly believed they were pushing Aang to kill Ozai, and that is how he interprets it as well. But on this watch it seems to me that they are not allowing him to defer the responsibility, are giving him what they think is sound advice, and forcing him to make the decision without them explicitly laying out a path for him.
Alex G
2021-07-05 04:44:40 +0000 UTCSo many great moments to choose from. Yangchen is an intriguing character, maybe we'll get some more focus in some of the upcoming productions :)
Alex G
2021-07-05 04:43:16 +0000 UTCWatching the advice of the past avatars so many times, I've come to what I think is an understanding. None of them are telling him to kill Ozai, that much is obvious, but their advice isn't just pretty words. Each of them tell Aang what would have helped them in their time, to interpret as he will. Roku tells him to be decisive, one way or another. Kyoshi tells him justice will bring peace, but not what justice in this instance is. Kuruk tells him he must shape his own destiny, not waiting for an answer from someone else but making one for himself. And Yangchen tells him that he has to do his duty as the Avatar, but not what to do or how to do it. They all are basically saying: here's what we learned, but it's up to you to interpret it and apply it to your current problem.
R. Lewis
2021-07-05 04:39:11 +0000 UTCThat Yangchen speech legit gives me goosebumps everytime I here it. It’s my second favorite moment in episode 2 of the finale. Of course iroh reuiniting with zuko is number one. That speech and when Yangchen shows up in the Kyoshi novels it makes me want a Yangchen novel
hays collins
2021-07-05 04:34:28 +0000 UTCTake Sweaterlord off payroll and give auto-thumbnail his salary (cel-ary?) There's something there
MikeWest
2021-07-05 04:34:24 +0000 UTCYESS BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR WEEKS
hays collins
2021-07-05 04:32:54 +0000 UTCWow auto-thumbnail... really captured something there
Alex G
2021-07-05 04:23:27 +0000 UTC
