Premium Episode 215: Structural Antisemitism feat Sean KB

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Ivan Novikov

Anyone else think that Julian basically describe capitalism having the same nature as a virus?

Kyle Reesman

This was a FANTASTIC episode. I have wondered about this for the longest time, I saw the common thread of anti-semitism but didn’t understand why it was always present. This really opened my eyes.

pls unlock :)

Matt Mayer

Kids, you can download an MP3 and send it to your friends via the internet!

Lindymizer

As has been stated numerous times here, definitely consider unlocking this ep for the broader public. Tasty vegetables.

Timothy Shippey

“The Cathedral” is what Dark Enlightenment types call the emergent post-Enlightenment consensus: that democracy is good, free speech is good, different groups of people are basically the same in terms of intellectual and moral potential, etc. It’s a “cathedral” because people treat them like religious precepts you’ll be burnt at the stake if you say that race science is true and that democracy is bad, or whatever.

Keith Jackewicz

That was an incredible episode

"The Cathedral" is what "Dark Enlightenment" dweebs call the establishment.

Jack Ford

pls pls pls, I need to show this to people

Matt Mayer

So what is the Cathedral? Googling it just gets me a movie from 2021 about a boy watching his family’s quiet rise and fall, and I don’t think that’s what we’re talking about.

No Relation to Henry

I think there is- the Parsi of India would also fit this structural niche. There’s a quote from the Nazi Julius Streicher who gets to this necessity for a scapegoat group quite well- “if there were no Jews, then we’d have to invent them.”

Isaac Suárez

Great episode and super important. Rule one of not being a left wing crank, never mistake moral condemnation of some “malevolent elite” for real material analysis or a class critique. Marx is a moral thinker in his way, but his morality is immanent (as in it arises from the material realities of structural forces within a larger system NOT that it depends on the moral decisions of some small group of the elect nor that it follows from the ethical or moral actions of isolated individuals.) If one gets sucked into a game of uncovering conspiracies, condemning morally depraved “elites,” or fetishizing the “authentic” or “grounded” virtues of an idealized revolutionary group, then you’re going down a bad road. There’s nothing more disappointed than a red painted conspiracy theorist…

Isaac Suárez

I’ve heard European Jews and oversees Chinese in SE Asia be referred to as “middleman minorities,” and it’s worth pointing out that Armenians in the Ottoman Empire had a similar social role. I don’t know how applicable the points about oversees Chinese suffering from antisemitic-style violence could be to the Armenian genocide as well, but maybe there’s a parallel.

No Relation to Henry

Lol

We all understand this and this episode doesn't disagree with you. It is a critique of the constantly moving thousand points of contestation that arise due to free market capitalism.

Philip P Deveney

Okay after some reading I am no longer Cathedral-pilled

Luke

I think some of y'all in the comments are missing a crucial point: This episode is not critiquing class antagonism. It's critiquing the abstraction of capitalism, the distorted understanding of material reality it fosters, the varying realities existent, and the variety, and often opposed, points of contestation that arise to combat similar problems. Those points of contestation are often so different because there are so many varying points of contact that people have with the system of modern capital due to the ever increasing abstraction of the market. In short: we unfortunately can't guillotine the system away. By all means go get the bastards, but don't think another one won't pop up in their place. You're playing whackamole.

Philip P Deveney

Ohhh shit I just got Cathedral-pilled

Luke

I believe most refer to that as "slavery" and there's a lot of reading on it out there. Including the whole history of the label "white" being invented solely to be able to justify the slave trade to the public by othering slaves through colour and fluffing the public's hollow feelings of patriotic superiority. I don't know where to start for helpful reading recommendations though, hopefully people smarter and more confident than me can provide clearer assistance there. 😔

Overzealous Euthanasiast

look up the essays "Capitalist Exploitation and Black Labor" by Donald J. Harris and "Slavery, Race and Ideology In The United States of America" by Barbara J. Fields, and the book Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in American Life by Barbara and Karen Fields

To be perfectly clear: please feel free to reccomend babies first book on race and marxist analysis to me!!

Sneakaboard

I dont really know shot about Marx since everytime I look into marxist thinkers it feels like they articulatinf stuff that should be trivially obvious to anyone who has worked for a living, speaking as someone who didn't complete a Bachelor's degree until i was 32 BUT: Is there a similarly articulated theory that ascribes anti-black racism to a similar structural necessity of capitalism? My lay understanding is that obviously capitalists want to maintain a permanent underclass to condition labor and have bodies for war and enslave and etc. but I'm curious if people know of any Marxist/ian work that addresses this specifically in the context of historically contingent anti-blackness in the way this writer did for anti-semitism?

Sneakaboard

But you repeat yourself...

Sneakaboard

This episode i didn't expect from QAA. I would expect this topic, treated with this diligence from other pods as for example TMK, not here. Nonetheless, a banger episode. Very well done. Its easy to hyper fixate on the worst aspects of one aspect of capitalism (the financing) while ignoring the rest. The polluting factories and abusive workplaces happen because the owner of the corporation adheres to the belief that line go up. Somehow, a lot of powerful people acting separately might do similarly aligned things. But that doesn't mean there's a big bad evil guy behind it. Most of the time is several bad evil guys. And a lot of board of directors members .

Josep C.

I guess this is an unpopular take, but here goes. I got twenty minutes into this. I think of this in the general category of Liv episodes, where I get to have someone read Marxist theory essays at me. I would rather read such a thing. Was someone different literally just interrupting in to read a subtitle? Seriously? Can you guys plan and edit this better? This is a podcast. If someone wants to write their undergrad hot take on Marxist theory or summarize an academic article at me, just post the original article and be done with it. On that note, and this is more directed at the thinkers whose work is being regurgitated for me, as someone who studies non-Western and quasi-feudal societies for a living, I find the weird take essentialism and broad strokes of the argument absurd. I mean, that’s a lot of European Marxist thinkers for you—they meditate on Europe so they obviously they understand capital and labor everywhere on earth. I think there’s probably something interesting somewhere in this podcast episode, but I’d have to get to it, and the way this was recorded, I am not going to get there. It looks like there’s an audience for it among the Patreon crowd, which is fine. I guess I’m not a part of that group.

H.O.G.

jake noble

I've listened to every episode, and this is one of my absolute favorites. So extremely profound and current. I agree with the other commentors, never said this before either, but please unlock this ep. Really needs to be shared.

devils cherry

I haven't been listening to this podcast for that long (maybe 2-3 months), but this is the most profound one I've heard by far. I'll definitely listen to it multiple times. I'd love a full transcript of it if possible.

Gabriel Edwards

Uh, this definitely needs a wider audience. There’s a lot of folks who repeat the one-sided pseudo critique

Beej

I've never said this before, but Unlock This One. This is the real shit, the share-with-everyone-right-now kinda deal.

Jon Lyons

Interesting episode. I do agree that anti-semitism is fools socialism. However, the idea that the financial class unregulated are not parasitic is preposterous. Yes, financial-capitalism and industrial-capitalism are intwined. The growth of a My given economy is slower than growth of compound interest. A fact that is mathematically provable and was known to be true 5000 years ago by the ancient Sumerians. Because compound interest grows exponentially and economies do not, societies will eventually be driven to into feudalism as all the wealth accumulates at the top. Without laws and customs to redistribute the wealth of the financial class a feudalist society will be the result. This is why ancient societies had debt jubilees. Secondly… The fact that no one controls all of global capital doesn’t mean that conspiracies don’t arise on behalf of global capital… consider the crimes of the Wall Street man Allen Dulles for example. Conspiracies and assassinations on behalf of global capital are unfortunately too numerous to start listing. Blaming the dews is dumb. Pointing the finger at the financial class, taking their money and land sharing it out amongst the poor is correct and can be without taking away our technology. Furthermore it will invigorate economies and make them healthy again if it is inclusive and fair to all types of people. Obviously difficult to achieve lol.

Please please PLEASE unlock this on the free feed! I think this is the single most important episode you have ever done; people need to hear it! (Also please keep asking Sean on, his episodes have been amazing)

Comrade Penelope

Holy shit, this was good.

John Brandkamp

Imagining an alternate history where anti-Italianism was a major force in early Christianity and the Ethiopian church filled the place of Rome.

Jacob King

An extremely good episode, honestly a shame its patreon only, it should be heard widely

Alexander Gavin

This episode is super fantastic. I'm not all the way through but had to pause and come here to say: Have y'all listened to the Ghost Herd podcast? It's such a full circle of commodities, markets & actual producers. This is kind of a PNW ag scandal, so I'll forgive those who missed it. In SE WA, a prominent farming family lost everything after the son (generation 2) tried to swindle Tyson with 250K 'fictitious beeves'. Why, you might ask? Because he was busy playing cattle futures on the market and racking up millions in debt. But he wasn't able to swing it. He's in prison now, and the family farm (massive ag enterprise) was bought up in a bidding war between Bill Gates and LDS corporate. The mormons took it in the end. Anyway, seemed very topical. Anna King, the East-side ag reporter is excellent.

yazikus

Ty for having Bob burger on to explain antisemitism

The fact I've seen "china controls Hollywood" for years is a good tell of how sinophobia is link with anti Semitism

Trapped in gay gacha hell

excellent episode!!!!

S/o taibbi and red scare pod

aarinsanity

There’s a mention of attacks on Chinese middlemen in Vietnam being similar to anti-Semitic attacks elsewhere. Thomas Sowell discusses how middlemen minorities have been the target of hatred throughout history in his book “Black Rednecks and White Liberals”

Ps I'm becoming a Liv fan.

C’mon

Poetry? If so, its lyrical resonance froze my brain. I replayed it a few times, which is why podcasts rock. But hell yeah! Freeze my brain, QAA! once it sunk in, it answered questions I didn't realize swirled in my unfrozen brain lol.

C’mon

“I wouldn’t remove that if I were you, that’s a load-bearing antisemitism”

Jessie Cherbak

GotDAMN this is a bop! I'm feeling the spirit on this one, Love this breakdown on commodities and capital. It's fucking poetry

Jon

Wow. Really appreciate this episode!

Kate

is this the guy who said Hamas was bourgeois on twitter

I wish I'd met this critique decades ago. It explains what I've never liked about political rhetoric on both sides. of what Sean called the "liberal conservative bourgeois divide" This is the real meat and potatoes, rather than Taibbism, which I've always hated and never fully understood why.

Brad Plumb

Typical that the first thing this episode opens with is (((Julian))) advocating for Anti-Italian discrimination.

Excellent talk

misterr

It this AI generated?

John Brown Jovi

Good one!

Moloch's Personal Adrenochrome Peddler

always love to see sean kb

Karl Childers

It's been too long without a quality rant like Julian had about Michael Bloomberg and when he said he was the meme sherriff

Kyle Cook