KEY SCENE REACTIONS - Devil's Due (TNG S4E13) | Star Trek Journey 194
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Well, Kahless was their most revered religious figure, and he was basically a regular Klingon dude with extra-gnarly forehead ridges.
Dennis Hall
2024-10-08 11:19:43 +0000 UTCThis was a very TOS like episode always liked it
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-10-06 23:46:54 +0000 UTCI've always had a thing for Marta Dubois (RIP). She was in a lot of 80's TV like magnum PI and was a regular on Tales of the Gold Monkey.
Rob Nichols
2024-10-06 02:57:32 +0000 UTCWe have no devil, Kirk, but we understand the habits of yours.
Linda Stricker
2024-10-05 21:39:44 +0000 UTC"Running out of the painting." LOL
Mike Rogers
2024-10-05 19:17:52 +0000 UTCI’m telling you, if Audra had appeared as Dr Beverly, Picard might have gone for it and given her his Captain’s Log
marty63026
2024-10-05 13:55:50 +0000 UTCI don't know. They are humanoids so it makes sense the aame fundamental evolutionary "threatening" things, like fangs and uncanny valley versions of your own species would represent a nightmare to eternally torture the Cowardly. I can't get too detailed without going into spolier territory, but the Klingons history has been well fleshed out and their current state is a certain version of their culture that is currently in vogue. I recall someone writing that Worf's ideas of Klingon culture are like getting your ideas about america from reading cold war era Captain america books. As time goes on we get a more complete and complex version of their history and without spoiling its very complex with different historical influences, feeling like a real lived in culture. There are other races that get this treatment like the Vulcans where we get a picture of a complex culture that has changed over time as opposed to a "planet of the hats" version where one town serves as a stand-in for a human moral drama abstracted in a sci fi context. The Klingons, Vulcans, and Romulans feel much more "real" and fleshed out this way as opposed to say the alternate timeline human world of "Miri." Like when you go back and think about that one, its incredibly lucky that they happen to go to a city where there's a lab involved in the research. The particular tribe of ancient kids they have to deal with only represents a very local version of what exists. Presumably there are similar groups of survivors all over the planet and they could be very different culturally- the story focuses on a particular idea but there's no reason to think other groups of survivors are similar across the world. When Kirk says starfleet wil be sending teachers and such, that is actually a massive undertaking if the planet is the size of the earth, and many people are likely to die in the interim before the federation sends a fleet of ships- that fleet would have to be huge to find and help all the survivors across the planet. TOS is slightly worse at this, but its still there in TNG- the idea that the particular city or place they beam to is THE central spot representative of the whole planet and where a change can be influences. Think about the mafia planet. Presumably there are different gangs all over. But because of storytelling limits they treat every city as essentially the whole society and it takes some imagination to actually work out how the whole planet is transformed by the interventions of KIrk. TNG is a little better in the sense they tend to be engaging with the government for the whole planet and generally worlds that are a developmental level where there isnt a unified planetary government are no goes because of the prime directive. The occasional exceptions are planets where there is only one group who is "the outsiders" But while TOS works for suspension of disbelief, those planets would actually have way more diverse and complex societies that vary over the totality of the planet. Whereas with Romulans, Vulcans and Klingon, even though they are engaging with mostly the capitol, they feel like real, complex societies and the people who complain "x doesn't seem like a typical x-race"., they are being very limited in how much diversity one would expect in a planet that was fully inhabited. Vulcan specifically has been established as a world with lower population and mostly harsh environment, but Kilgong and Romulan societies are huge that span multiple planets. It's a bit hard to be exactly sure, but genereally, Iin TOS thee are around 30 to 50 "member states" that doesnt mean each state has just one planet, and in TOS the Federation is more like the pre- civil war united states, an alliance of seperate countries with their own internal rivalfies where by TNG its about 150 states that are much more a rich, poweful unified society (except a way too small starfleet because of the gillworms) Meanwhile, while it's hard to say, the Klingon and Romulan empires probably have about 30 to 50 planets but settled or conquered by one very militant race. There's more I could say about the specifics of each society but since the pciture is painte over the course of multiple series, I can't really go too deep into that without getting into spoiler territory, but as we get to the more modern treks I can write more about the complex history of "local" areas around tge alpha and beta quadrants and there is a rouglhy consistent local geography that the writers mostly hold to.
paultardspambot .
2024-10-05 08:22:39 +0000 UTCI can just imagine the carebear devil with its hordes of tribbles.
Matthew Martin
2024-10-05 02:31:16 +0000 UTCHe came to my city, and I got to see it! Bought the CD of it right after, too. I think I still have it...
Ian Westcott
2024-10-04 17:34:30 +0000 UTCI'm shocked the Klingon devil isn't like an anime character or a teddy bear. They seem to positively embrace what we consider ugly so you'd think that Feklar thing would be their version of angelic and the devil something cute.
EnigmaticPenguin
2024-10-04 17:14:49 +0000 UTCPatrick Stewart did a one man show of A Christmas Carol around this time. If I recall he started not long after this episode
tyranusfan
2024-10-04 16:56:41 +0000 UTCYeah, she has presence.
Paul
2024-10-04 16:43:27 +0000 UTCI’ve always had a thing for Ardra. Picard is a much better man than I. (And probably most people)
Brian Moore
2024-10-04 16:02:40 +0000 UTC
