FULL DISCUSSION - Star Trek TNG S3E20 - Tin Man
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Comments
Definitely hits a bit different depending on how much you can empathize with Tam. One thematic element that didn't draw much attention in the review or discussion but is still worthy, is the concept of being achingly lonely while literally surrounded by people because you just can't integrate. A level of isolation in which you are effectively ostracizing yourself because being around more than one or two people at a time is so overwhelming as to be almost physically painful. Tam wanted desperately to connect with someone, to be immersed in the relationship -- hence his appreciation of the "glacial" Chandrans and his fascination with having to take the time to get to know Data. It's no wonder he ran to Gomtuu as quick as he could. The deep connection of symbiotic existence was the piece each of them needed for stability. It's tragic, but also very satisfying in the end.
Avaria
2024-07-17 03:18:47 +0000 UTCIt's a secret...
KatWithAttitude
2024-07-12 14:07:49 +0000 UTCTam and Gomtuu saved both ships from destruction by pushing them away from the star, and then got the hell out of there themselves, and then returned Data. They're off having mindorgies together to this day.
Jovet
2024-07-12 06:56:28 +0000 UTCThat colleague of Doctor Crusher that Riker's dad *hasn't* slept with, you mean?
Jovet
2024-07-12 06:54:30 +0000 UTCThat last paragraph: absolutely!! Excellent point. Succinctly explains why TNG is my favorite Trek (that I've seen).
Jovet
2024-07-12 06:53:27 +0000 UTCYeah, you guys are... diff'rent. ππ
Jovet
2024-07-12 06:40:42 +0000 UTCI like that this looks like the discussion was filmed the same year as the episode aired. That's some TA dedication to authenticity...
StonyD
2024-07-12 02:48:55 +0000 UTCOh, yes. Something *I* didn't notice until this watchthrough with you guys: The USS Hood and it's Captain, DeSoto were Riker's previous ship and Captain, hence why everyone knew him. Uber fans who WEREN'T less than a week old probably caught this their first watch and were excited for the cameo from Riker's past.
Nolan
2024-07-11 20:36:21 +0000 UTCFor me this episode is fine the one thing that sticks in my brain that I can never come to a solution on is, did Tam and Tin Man die at the end or did they go somewhere else?
harrypothead42024
2024-07-11 19:10:55 +0000 UTCI'm getting old so my eyes can't tell the difference between One camera and the other
harrypothead42024
2024-07-11 19:06:06 +0000 UTC18:16 There were two other composers not named McCarthy or Jones prior to Chattaway. Code of Honor was composed by TOS alum Fred Steiner, and as a result, it had a very TOS musical feel. George Romanis composed Too Short a Season.
JGoss
2024-07-11 18:12:26 +0000 UTCCorrect, and the USS Hood (Rikerβs former ship) is depicted in both episodes as an Excelsior-class vessel.
Matt Everkoul
2024-07-11 17:21:27 +0000 UTCOK, this finally got posted. I'll have to find something else to bitch about.
JGoss
2024-07-11 16:57:43 +0000 UTCFormer astronaut and current U.S. Senator Mark Kelly cowrote two children's novels, "Astrotwins: Project Blastoff" and "Astrotwins: Project Rescue," in which Kelly and his twin brother Scott (who was also an astronaut) fly in space for the first time as kids in the 1970s rather than waiting until adulthood, as in real life. One of the group of kids who helps them in the books is intended to be neurodivergent, but Kelly could only express this by comparing him to Spock because the modern terminology was not yet well-known in the books' time period. As I mentioned in my comment on the reaction, this was the third TNG episode scored by someone other than McCarthy or Jones -- Fred Steiner and George Romanis scored one episode each in Season 1.
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-07-11 15:33:30 +0000 UTCAlmost the only thing I remembered about the episode, other than the basic concept of the Tam Elbrun character, was Gomtuu growing the chair for Tam at the end!
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-07-11 15:25:01 +0000 UTCYes, he was mentioned by name in "Encounter at Farpoint," but didn't appear until "Tin Man."
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-07-11 15:24:03 +0000 UTCWill you see a guest character that no one already knows? You will, and soon.
KatWithAttitude
2024-07-11 14:09:13 +0000 UTCY'all got some terrific cinematic film grain noise going on with this video. I like it.
Matthew Riley
2024-07-11 13:56:46 +0000 UTCEpisodes like Contagion and Tin Man lean on the fantastical side, where I think the writers intended for the audience to imagine something greater than what was presented on screen. As a young kid growing up watching these episodes, my mind filled in the blanks with what the Iconion Empire and what Tin Manβs creators were once like. Now as an adult, I can appreciate that a few lines about how βmysteriousβ each of these species/beings were doesnβt give enough oomph to the plot to make it stand out. All that being said, I do miss how Trek eventually dropped the wonder and magic of exploring the universe and turned standard episodes of the week into phaser battles and technobabble solutions, where everything is spelled out for the viewer.
Lwaxanaβs Poolboy
2024-07-11 13:54:37 +0000 UTCAre you suggesting that the $600 you are sending me is no good?!
tyranusfan
2024-07-11 13:01:26 +0000 UTCalso I agree with Alex, the guest's relationship with Data was the best part of the episode, imo.
Captain Proton
2024-07-11 12:03:09 +0000 UTCIf this were to be a buffet, it would be a plate of Doomsday Machine(Giant destructive space thing.), Is There In Truth No Beauty(The outcast Empathic character with a secret), and All Our Yesterdays(The ticking time limit of a star about to explode.) My strongest memory of this one growing up is honestly the visual of the Enterprise D and the Romulan ship being thrown out of the system at the end.
Steven Johnson
2024-07-11 12:00:17 +0000 UTCalso great choice to shoot it like that!
Captain Proton
2024-07-11 11:57:31 +0000 UTCI agree. Middle of the road for me. The Tam character was interesting, especially at that time, but I kind of understood where they were going with him even back then. My mother taught mentally-disabled kids, so I had some knowledge of what that might be like.
Collin Freeman
2024-07-11 11:56:37 +0000 UTClol @ the description
Captain Proton
2024-07-11 11:55:01 +0000 UTCCaptain DeSoto was Riker's previous commanding officer, iirc.
Darin Wagner
2024-07-11 11:38:39 +0000 UTC4:3 for the win!
SinocTheHodgeheg
2024-07-11 10:27:17 +0000 UTC
