YOUTUBE VIDEO - 'The High Ground' Would Never Be Made Today! (PATRON TAKES S3E11&12)
Added 2024-06-14 06:04:04 +0000 UTC
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I know, but given the context of both the episode, what is happening in real life with the controversy and the title of the thumbnail I inferred what you probably didn't imply. I understand the sensitivity of it, both extreme sides seem to make broad "if you are not with us all the way, you're against us all the way" attitudes.
Hunter
2024-06-17 23:38:53 +0000 UTCI don’t know if someone missed it, but there were similar themes in sci-fi/fantasy in the mid-2000s, deep into our occupation of Iraq, so it’s totally untrue that this would not be made post-9/11. Josh is right; it was kind of ahead of its time.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-06-15 03:04:35 +0000 UTCYeah, I know. I just wish I wasn't so boneheadedly wrong... like I've seen enough to know what I said was not accurate, and yet, when I wrote it, I was still in my media analyst mode of thinking how media changed in the 2000s, but not how it's been changing since then. I mean, I DID watch Andor and other shows that've been about this topic, so I definitely needed to either re-think the stance, or be more nuanced. Either way, the youtube comments are gonna be fun. Haha.
Nolan
2024-06-14 16:34:53 +0000 UTCA good Crusher episode. This ep was obviously a take off on the Israel/Palestinian conflict. Even the term "Insata" sounds like a take off on the Palestinian term "Intifata" or rebellion. So I am a little surprised it didn't stir even more controversy than it did!
Comrade Wireless Caller
2024-06-14 15:43:43 +0000 UTCThat's definitely true, I'm very left leaning, my best friend is very conservative, if we were 20 years younger we may not be friends at all because politically we agree on very few things. But we are in germany and I think the divide is not as strong here as it seems to be in the US but it still feels like we get very different news because of the algorithm.
Phillip Grischa
2024-06-14 14:26:58 +0000 UTC"Today's Terrorist is tomorrow's Statesman." (https://www.academia.edu/716191/Today_s_terrorist_is_tomorrow_s_statesman_the_United_States_and_Angolan_nationalism_in_the_early_1960s)
James Knight
2024-06-14 13:49:56 +0000 UTCOh crap. I thought these were all YouTube edits of the reaction. Now I have to go back and watch all of these.
PIG
2024-06-14 12:39:06 +0000 UTCI agree with you Phillip, but I think the internet has escalated it exponentially due to algorithmic echo chambers. I can only speak for the US, but here people essentially live in curated realities where 90%+ of their human interaction is online and they can block anything they don’t agree with. This is the case for essentially all topics, but when it comes to media specifically, if someone thinks showing a terrorist or a government in a sympathetic light is “bad” they can find thousands of people online to reinforce their belief and ignore everyone else making their belief near impenetrable. As part of the last generation to grow up without an iPhone, it worries me that future generations will be able to avoid virtually all challenges to any belief they have. A society of people all radicalized in individual ways sounds pretty terrifying. However, I’m generally an optimistic person and I think we will figure it out.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-06-14 11:51:18 +0000 UTCThe take makes no reference to the Middle East
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-06-14 11:34:34 +0000 UTCI disagree with this blanket statement. I think it would be made today. Assuming that saying this episode wouldn't be made today because of the "Situation" in the Middle East,, This episode was made during the First Intifada (1987-1993), a major incident that included riots and also Terrorist attacks. There was also a Second Intifada (2000-2005) and Star Trek obliquely addressed the issue then too, and I don't necessarily mean in referring to 9/11 (although it did). The current Situation started "just" seven months ago. I think it will just take awhile for the writers to catch up, but of course it will be subtle.
Hunter
2024-06-14 11:27:20 +0000 UTCIt’s the most interesting take of the video, and caused the most discussion. That’s why it’s the focus.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-06-14 10:05:02 +0000 UTCBut the same is true for Walter White and others, they were all written as villains to entertain the audience. And just like most people today get most people back then got it too, they enjoyed watching a villain do his villain thing but I'm pretty sure there was a subset of people genuinely liking the villains back then too, they just didn't have twitter to share it with the world. People have always had brainrot, actors were verbally attacked for things their characters did even back in the 50s and 60s for example. The only thing that has changed is that now everyone has a platform.
Phillip Grischa
2024-06-14 10:01:42 +0000 UTCThis episode is a mixed bag. Post-TOS Star Trek often fell into the trap of 'MESSAGE' stories, instead of an engaging, well crafted story that had a moral, or an accompanying perspective on an issue. The first can be heavy handed, while the latter is usually the better way to make a point.
Numinous2019
2024-06-14 09:09:32 +0000 UTCYes, but J.R. was an 'enjoyable' bad guy. Maybe some people aspired to be like him, but most people were entertained by a hissable villain played with relish and flair by the talented Larry Hagman. J.R. was intended to be the worst combination of traits, with Bobby Ewing presented as his clear counterpart and his long suffering wife re-enforced just what a low life J.R. was.
Numinous2019
2024-06-14 09:04:34 +0000 UTCThe episode was not banned in the UK and Ireland because it showed alien terrorists, it was because Data mentioned that terrorism can be successful in achieving its goals and cited the reunification of Ireland as an example. That could have been seen as encouraging by the terrorists active at the time, so I understand why both governments didn't want it on the air.
Phillip Grischa
2024-06-14 07:52:48 +0000 UTCRegarding the brainrot, I don't think that's a new problem, it's just more visible because of social media. I think there were just as many people in the 70s or 80s rooting for bad characters and looking up to them. JR Ewing from Dallas was extremely popular for example despite being a morally corrupt abusive asshole.
Phillip Grischa
2024-06-14 07:48:55 +0000 UTCOuch. Put in the spotlight for being wrong. 😅 I guess I should've been more nuanced, in that it's an episode that wouldn't have easily been made in the 2000s. and that the world is starting to shift to not being as binary in regard to the topics the episode covered as it was in that decade and the one that followed it. And there's obviously some exceptions to the rule there as well. But my goodness, the 2000s were filled with shows about national security and bogeyman terrorists. Hell, that's what launched the MCU in Iron Man.
Nolan
2024-06-14 07:01:21 +0000 UTCPeople love to say things wouldn’t be made today and I find it is rarely correct.
AzoriusMage
2024-06-14 06:35:55 +0000 UTC
