Better Call Saul: S4E10 Winner First time watching!
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So Jimmy’s crying in the car was real. No one was watching or nearby or listening etc. The reason they out that scene in, is because right before that was when he saw himself in that girl who only got 1 vote for the scholarship. When talking to her about it, he came to the realization that he was talking about himself and his brother so he finally broke down. Also, I feel like a lot of people miss it because of how clever the show is with wanting us to doubt jimmy all the time, but it was confirmed by Bob Odenkirk in a BCS panel that his words about Chuck in that final hearing (where he decided not to read the letter) were real and those feelings were real too. He spoke the truth. The reason afterward he acted douchey calling them suckers for crying etc is because he still felt the need to PRETEND he didn’t care about his brother. His inner sadness came out for real in those words at the hearing but then his outer hard shell returned after it was over because he didn’t like how vulnerable he felt admitting his feelings about Chuck in there. So in jimmy fashion he played it off to make it sound like he made all that up and truly didn’t care, but that’s not true. Anyway just some info for you so you don’t hate jimmy as much as you do right now! I do feel you’re unfairly hating on him quite a bit lately so I hope this helps
Reavezz
2025-02-04 23:24:28 +0000 UTCThat’s a very interesting point of view. I wouldn’t have thought of that.
Kamanda Hickey
2023-05-13 11:00:34 +0000 UTCSomething else Rob mentioned about whether Jimmy was faking his tears in the car, that you fight back tears, you don't force them. But I don't see it that way. I've had my moments when I've broken into tears and didn't fight it, but only when I'm alone, like Jimmy was. Hell, in this episode alone that happened to me when Mike killed Werner. My interpretation of Jimmy's breakdown in the car is that because it was right after the scholarship committee meeting and his speech to Kristy, Jimmy was upset that he would never be able to get rid of Chuck's influence, even after his death. He was in tears and repeating "no" because he didn't see any hope of getting his license back, due to all the repercussions.
Jarrod Wild
2023-05-13 05:34:49 +0000 UTCLove this comment, didn't catch on to this during my original watch. Thanks for sharing
Kevin Vercauteren
2023-05-07 11:08:44 +0000 UTCOf course Chuck can sing. He's David St. Hubbins of Spın̈al Tap!
WalkingTaako
2023-05-06 15:08:17 +0000 UTCIn Breaking Bad, at the end of Season 3 when Walt is begging Mike for his life and Mike says "I can't do it" this is what he's talking about. He knows that when Gus has decided that someone has become enough of a liability they must die, there's no talking him out of it, because of Werner. If Mike could have saved Werner, he would. But he couldn't do it. All he could do was save his wife.
WalkingTaako
2023-05-06 15:02:10 +0000 UTCRob and Trin, great reaction. There's one detail you might have missed (I did, multiple times). During Season 4, Jimmy improvises two scenarios where someone saves a person from a fire (once during the pastor phone call and also at the law library dedication ceremony). So even though he's desperately trying to convince himself and Kim that he doesn't care about Chuck, he subconsciously wishes that he could have saved his brother. In a show with consistently great writing, this detail blew me away the most.
JM63
2023-04-19 22:16:42 +0000 UTCI agree with most of your analysis but I still think that Jimmy used to care for Chuck and decided to be a lawyer to impress him. He even wanted to work with him and used every opportunities to do so. Like you said, Chuck is basically the only person that he respected and feared at the same time. Everything chanced when he realized like he said to the board that he would never be good enough for Chuck. At this point only he could care less about Chuck because he felt betrayed. I can’t disagree that he is a narcissist and his loyalty to Kim is sometimes questionable.
Kamanda Hickey
2023-03-09 05:09:41 +0000 UTCI think we only doubt Jimmy's feelings if we read his feelings about Chuck as if they were our feelings about a sibling. We know *we* would never act that way or feel that way, so we keep expecting Jimmy not to act that way or feel that way. When he seems to act like Chuck's death didn't affect him, we try to make that be fake, because it would be if we were him. Everybody forgets the decades that Jimmy lived trying and trying to live up to Chuck's expectations and never making it. Jimmy didn't have any respect for his father, but had all kinds of respect for Chuck as a father figure. When Jimmy finally realized that he could *never* live up to Chuck's expectations because Chuck didn't *want* him to be a lawyer, let alone a *successful* lawyer, he wrote Chuck off. When Jimmy doesn't *appear* to be affected by Chuck's death, it's because he's *not* affected by Chuck's death. When Jimmy doesn't appear to be moved by Chuck's letter, it's because he's *not* moved by Chuck's letter. Jimmy uses the letter in front of the board as a tool. He uses it to feign his undying love for Chuck and to convince the board that Chuck is the entire inspiration for everything good in his life. When he boasts of pulling one over on the board, we're left confused — but not if we've known all along that Jimmy really doesn't care for Chuck at all, viewed the letter as being all for Chuck's benefit, not his, and saw it as a way to convince the board to reinstate him. There's no doubt about where Jimmy stands. He manipulates the board just like he manipulated the judge in Huell's case, like he manipulated the Lubbuck building department with Kim, like he manipulated the music store owners with his Slippin' Jimmy routine, etc. The letter was just a tool to advance his goal. He is a high-functioning narcissist. Kim is the only person he really loves — though he's not above using her if he has to.
Craig Rairdin
2023-03-08 16:46:45 +0000 UTCI love your convo at the end of the episode about Jimmy faking or not faking his tears in the car. I am sure that everything he does is intended to make us doubt. I always said that this show is very special because no one is good or bad, they all have moments. I am not even sure that Jimmy was really crying in the car but maybe he was and us as viewers cannot believe him even when is being vulnerable and genuine. We are basically like Kim at the end of the episode.
Kamanda Hickey
2023-03-08 16:17:29 +0000 UTCI have watched this episode many times since the show ended and it always makes me very emotional, especially the beginning and that flashback. This is one of my favorite episodes. I feel that Jimmy's crying in the car is sincere and its because the frustration, we saw how they didn't give the young lady the scholarship just because she had a dark past, and Jimmy sees himself in it when he tells Kim that "no matter what I say, I'll always be THAT GUY to the board."
Johann Miranda V.
2023-03-08 05:41:37 +0000 UTCThere's a limit of truth that the young are able to hear, despite you desperately tell them of it. There are some things that are too much for their minds to handle. Kristy getting the truth from Jimmy at that moment. She'll get there eventually, but it's too soon & way too much for her to handle at her age. In every case when Jimmy shows feelings about Chuck, I always feel like there's some truth to his feelings, but he was mostly enraged at having to do this. He still didn't believe that it was all because of Chuck, again, that was holding him back from being the lawyer he felt he worked hard to be. So, when he & Kim were standing outside, and Kim saw that look on his face, I don't think it was him sad; I think it was him preparing himself to do something he despises doing. Jimmy's conflicting feeling toward his brother goes on after Chuck's death, for sure.
angie808
2023-03-08 05:29:05 +0000 UTCWell, I must say, this was an excellent way to end the season. Here's my takeaways: Now, we can finally put the "this is when Jimmy becomes Saul" thing to rest. Jimmy finally completed his transformation into Saul Goodman at the very end of this episode, a perfect way to end it and to complete this season. Gotta love how shocked Kim was when she saw Saul going on about how he'd suckered the committee, she finally sees Saul in all his glory, instead of the Slippin' Jimmy she was accustomed to. The final Mike/Werner scene was both so tense and so tragic. The real downer was seeing Werner's face when Mike told him he could never be trusted again. I think Werner knew right then and there that there was absolutely no way he was coming out of this alive. I like the Lalo/Gus rivalry setup we're getting. Bob Odenkirk deserves accolades for this episode. He portrayed so many different, conflicting, powerful emotions..playing a person who is acting as if he is acting, then acting as if he has given up the acting and is being sincere. Nicely done, Bob!!
Joe Lazarus
2023-03-08 05:15:35 +0000 UTCMike breaks bad.
Chris B
2023-03-08 03:53:25 +0000 UTC
