😡😤 LET’S ARGUE! 😤😡 (SEPTEMBER 2024 Thread)
Added 2024-09-07 19:41:09 +0000 UTCThank you so much for supporting us this month! Now's that magical time when you hit us with your HOT TAKES, UNPOPULAR OPINIONS, and TOUGH QUESTIONS; drop em down in the comments and we'll look through them all in a couple of weeks. Let's go!
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thank u, i do think cultural appropriation is blown out of proportion from time to time but as a black person its just upsetting to see ppl minimize things as if they can’t be called out even if they aren’t as immediately serious as actual racism.
shilo ilo
2024-10-10 00:22:48 +0000 UTCThanks for the response, I’ve always rolled my eyes when white liberals get so bent out of shape about cultural appropriation, because I don’t believe it to be the most pressing racial issue right now. But I obviously understand the disconnect someone like Rina might have, and it can be a bit frustrating.
Tuck
2024-10-10 00:06:13 +0000 UTCFor me, box braids are more of a subjective thing, but I believe that wearing box braids or any Black hairstyle originating from Black people wouldn’t have to be a bad thing if Black people weren’t being persecuted or discriminated against for these hairstyles to the point where laws have had to be passed in certain states to get ppl not to do that, while they’re seen as cute or trendy when worn by someone who isn’t Black. so until this doesn’t have to be a problem it’ll always rub me the wrong way when someone non blk does that
shilo ilo
2024-09-20 15:58:15 +0000 UTCI agree collaborating with zionists is very bad, but why can’t she wear box braids? Who tf is she hurting
Tuck
2024-09-20 15:52:11 +0000 UTCAs a man, I also hate those manly soap ads
Tuck
2024-09-20 15:47:38 +0000 UTCI feel like The streaming services would just take a higher percentage, so the artists would get the same amount as they normally would’ve
Tuck
2024-09-20 15:46:43 +0000 UTCI have a hard time understanding why The Lemon Twigs don’t have at least a couple of million monthly listeners, I understand that it’s hard to become big but the quality of music that they’ve dropped for their last 2 albums it’s debatably some of the best music of that year. I feel like they have so much going for them and I’m so excited to see what they go for next but genuinely disappointed that they’re not receiving the recognition they deserve. It must be bad marketing on their part or something but I don’t know.
vvo
2024-09-19 03:45:58 +0000 UTCWhile snoop dogg may have alot of duds in his catalog he did manage to have one of if not the best debut of all the west coast rappers
Caspa
2024-09-18 12:58:55 +0000 UTCThe best brit-pop song and album weren't recorded by Blur or Oasis but Pulp. Common People is anthemic, insanely catchy and it tackles the topics of poverty and boredom perfectly. Different Class is a masterpiece as a whole, I Spy is a criminally underrated song. I know the album is considered a classic but it deserves to be the first thing mentioned when brit-pop is discussed. Also members of Pulp and Radiohead teamed up to perform a song called "Do the Hippogriff" in a Harry Potter movie and it should count for something (although I don't know what)
Filip Kaźmierczak
2024-09-18 10:43:06 +0000 UTCThere are two (2) types of music enjoyers: the "good music can't fix bad lyrics" crowd, and the "good lyrics can't make up for bad music" people. You'd think we'd find common ground on ambient tracks and slam poetry, but those are just as divisive, depending on the quality and subjective appeal of the material. Are you a tunes guy? Or a words guy? Or do you prefer music with a more hourglass physique?
Rodgers
2024-09-18 07:00:55 +0000 UTCI think Steal This Album by SOAD is wildly under-talked-about, having multiple songs that are as good as (and sometimes better!) than songs on Toxicity or S/T, its main problem as an album experience is fluff songs, which makes sense especially given what the album is and how it came to be, but man "Innervision", "Mr. Jack", "I-E-A-I-A-I-O", "Highway Song", "Streamline"? I think the popularity of Toxicity is partly why, at least NOW, conversationally, STA is dwarfed.
Elliott Tomkings
2024-09-16 22:30:02 +0000 UTCSublime is unfairly categorized as cringe. Sure they had maybe a few lines that could be interpreted as offensive or politically incorrect. But 40oz to Freedom & self titled are 2 of the best albums made during the reggae/ska rock explosion of the early 90s. If alive today, I’m sure Bradley would be fully supporting LGBTQIA2s+ communities.
ripplingSun
2024-09-12 17:07:02 +0000 UTCI don’t understand why on streaming services there’s not an easy option to pay more. I pay way too little ($17) for unlimited music for like 5 people. I’d happily pay $100 for this and have the extra money go directly to the artists I listen to(sure Apple takes a cut) This seems like it should be really easy to set up and would only make the streaming services and artists more money. Seems like an easy win/win
ripplingSun
2024-09-12 17:00:15 +0000 UTCOn a video today, you said your audience is mostly men. I think we need to talk about this, because it's a thing that's been bothering me a while. Youtube's analytics tells you that, obviously, and they get it via algorithms. They look at the things we enjoy, and then decide if we're a man or a woman. Who writes these algorithms? Men. So my enjoyment of video games, music, and science, prolly labels me, and much of your audience, as men. There's also probably a feedback loop here. It's just something we need to talk about more and call out more, if only so I don't have to put up with those stupid fucking "YOU'RE A MAN SO YOU NEED MANLY SOAP" ads.
Lizstar
2024-09-12 16:37:26 +0000 UTCKiss of Life by Sade has a top 5 opening verse of all time, but the hook is underwhelming
Drake Parker
2024-09-12 13:17:26 +0000 UTCIn light of the Lil Wayne and Kendrick beef happening on Twitter, while Lil Wayne can be argued to be one of the most influential rappers of all time, in the next 10-15 years I think we’ll see in the wave of new rappers most of them naming Kendrick as their main influence, possibly making Kendrick more influence in the near future.
Venture
2024-09-11 16:44:49 +0000 UTCWhen talking about house or dance music at large, people don't seem to acknowledge how incredible and pivotal Luomo was to the scene with his 'Vocalcity' release. Not only helping shape microhouse as a genre in 2000, but producing the twelve minute deep house anthem that is Tessio. People just do not seem to give that project its dues, let alone be cognizant of its very existence. Why do you think this is? Do you feel as passionately about this project as I do, or would you say you agree with there being a criminal lack of appreciation this album receives? If you have heard it, what are your thoughts on it?
Nef
2024-09-10 08:15:38 +0000 UTCThere have been so many usages of "Holding Out for a Hero" that I have seen in movies AND TV shows that have come out in the past two years that I almost kinda wanna request for the song to not be used for quite a while. Scratch that. You know how the Disney Vault used to exist? We should have something like that for needle drops in movies. That song in particular. It was great for its original context in Footloose, then perfected with its usage in Shrek 2. We don't NEED to use it anymore than it already has been.
ToadMan101
2024-09-09 22:11:09 +0000 UTCDo you think it's vital to review the lore behind a certain artist/album? Looking back at Gorillaz and Magdalena Bay, I think the lore is very interesting but not vital to criticizing the music itself. Plus, I feel like the lore should be up to the audience to seek out since critics like you promote the album that could entice listeners to seek out said lore
Kyle Cahill
2024-09-09 12:20:45 +0000 UTCship of theseus question - what are your thoughts on when a band goes through so many lineup changes that they aren't even really "that band" anymore (most egregious example probably being Squeeze - VU)... This was inspired by the new Linkin Park lineup, and how they don't even feel like LP at this point, but then a band like QOTSA can go thru all its iterations w/o ever feeling un-QOTSA
Alex Sim
2024-09-09 01:36:56 +0000 UTCI think you are way too hard on Muse in your “Muse Sucks” video. Not the recent stuff - THAT SUCKS. But then you threw shade at Origins of Symmetry - which is one of THE hard rock albums of the 2000’s. From 2001 to 2006, they were legitimately great. They deserve credit for successfully marrying arena rock to a classical sound. They weren’t just Radiohead knockoffs.
Machine Gun Philly
2024-09-08 23:42:11 +0000 UTCgenuinely one of my favorite albums of 2023
It’s Not Melee
2024-09-08 23:29:31 +0000 UTCI agree with you, but he's gonna roast you alive with his red hot Steely Dan hate
Tuck
2024-09-08 23:23:59 +0000 UTCcome on man, this has real "as soon as something gets popular, I don't listen to it anymore" energy
Tuck
2024-09-08 23:23:08 +0000 UTCWhat recent 2024 review you dropped are you most proud of?
Tuck
2024-09-08 22:04:56 +0000 UTCyou’ve reviewed many albums from the opium label and all of them have received negative scores, at what point do you just give up scoring albums by artist such as ken carson/destroy lonely and start giving them the NOT GOOD treatment?
It’s Not Melee
2024-09-08 21:17:47 +0000 UTCPlaying any song at a major sporting event officially ruins it forever
Trevor Young
2024-09-08 16:20:23 +0000 UTCRich Gang Tha Tour pt 1 is THE defining project from that era of rap - and the best in Thugger’s discog (RIP Rich Homie Quan)
Alex Sim
2024-09-08 16:07:52 +0000 UTCBigfoot is a worse diss track than The Heart Part 6
EZGames69
2024-09-08 14:10:39 +0000 UTCMirage by Camel is an underrated prog album simply because it isn’t held among albums like In the Court or Close to the Edge. It’s the perfect prog record - it’s got all the technicalities and complexities you’d expect of prog… but most of all it’s just 5 perfect and accessible prog rock songs. So while it may not be as groundbreaking as In the Court, or as insane as Close to the Edge - I believe that if “prog” was a word in the dictionary, Mirage would be the most fitting definition.
Rowan
2024-09-08 13:23:21 +0000 UTCSteely Dan's Aja is a classic, you just haven't listened to it recently.
Benjamin Lisboa
2024-09-08 11:48:27 +0000 UTCOf Montreal is one of the greatest bands of all time and they’re sorely under-appreciated in the modern music sphere. Kevin is still making compelling records to this day and they continue to have one of the most unique, eclectic, and ever-evolving catalogues in modern music.
Jake Perry
2024-09-08 08:24:46 +0000 UTCRed Medicine deserves a lot A LOT more representation and love in the fugazi catalog and in all of post hardcore and punk for how mind bending and weird and kinda ahead of the curve the band was for the gerne. It's also their best
Chris Castillo
2024-09-08 07:01:31 +0000 UTCA lot of music nerds go through the process of chasing the high of more and more experimental and abrasive music up to the point of listening to unorganized noise and become numb as a result. Are there any creative taboos or limits left to break down in the realm of experimental and extreme music? Is shattering musical barriers a dead end when listeners (outside the pop realm, at least) can't be shocked anymore?
Scarlett Serenity
2024-09-08 06:43:49 +0000 UTCelectroclash is the greatest subgenra of electronic music. the pioneers of the genre like peaches and fischerspooner are excellent and helped pave the way for tons of great music in the mid-late 2000s. unlike contemporaries, the genre has also managed to find its place in modern times with artists like snow strippers and ayesha erotica whose music doesn't feel like it's pulling from the past in a corny way
sophie
2024-09-08 04:01:36 +0000 UTCBlue Lines > Mezzanine. Mezzanine mostly stands out for its clean production, which its production is at least clean as hell. Blue Lines practically created the genre Mezzanine uses, so how could it not be so much more influential? Its sampling throughout is a lot more impressive, and while I do really love the song "Teardrop," Mezzanine doesn't have a beat nearly as iconic as "Unfinished Sympathy." Mezzanine also can't lyrically compete with that song or "Hymn of the Big Wheel."
Waffles!
2024-09-08 02:29:40 +0000 UTCWe're living in the golden age of music.
Diego Pumarino
2024-09-08 00:28:36 +0000 UTCOrigami Angel are hella underrated. I think Somewhere City is a really great album which deserves more recognition
Dr4kecl
2024-09-07 23:41:12 +0000 UTCI wonder who the Nickleback of the 2020s is then
Dr4kecl
2024-09-07 23:36:12 +0000 UTCUK rap is gonna have a lot more crossover appeal within the next couple years. I’ve been seeing a lot more US x UK connections with artists and more UK artists being put on. Give it some time you’ll start hearing Kairo Keyz, Nemzzz, Digga D, a lot of the drill rappers, etc.
John Coffey
2024-09-07 21:12:53 +0000 UTCDepeche Mode's Memento Mori from last year is genuinely an amazing late-career masterpiece, I feel like they've finally hit a sweet spot of how industrial their albums should sound after trying to find it since 2005. It's up there with my top 5 favourite albums of theirs, along with the four album run from Music for the Masses to Ultra
TaisakuPines
2024-09-07 20:51:07 +0000 UTCThe uncut version of the take: Trevor Rabin era of the band Yes (subtitled "YesWest") deserves a much wider appreciation. The albums in consideration are 90125 (1983), Big Generator (1987), some parts of Union (1991) and Talk (1994), which are filled with phenomenal songwriting and composition. 90125, the band's most successful album containing their only Billboard Hot 100 No. 1 hit "Owner of a Lonely Heat", written mostly by Trevor Rabin, showcases how Yes could evolve their sound from these sprawling and epic progressive rock epics to more commercially viable AOR of the '80s, which fits into the DNA of the band always having some accessible quality to them. But the album still manages to sound unique in the rock landscape of the time with longer and proggier pieces like "Changes" and "Hearts" and even the heavy and chugging "City of Love"; of course, who can forget "Cinema", a 2 minute cut from this line-up's unreleased 20+ minute epic. Truly deserves to be mentioned alongside the band's most acclaimed work. Big Generator, released after years of turmoil within the band, sees this line-up having a more stark approach between their poppier songs and proggier songs, with the singles "Rhythm of Love" and "Love Will Find a Way" focusing majorly on a commercial sound while the deep cuts such as "I'm Running" and "Final Eyes" focuses majorly on a more adventurous sound Yes is known for. My biggest mention will go to the title track, however, with that heavy guitar riff that one might refer to as "proto-Djent" and the lyrics criticising the Music Industry. A very overlooked album in the band's catalogue. Union, released in 1991, could be classified as an album of 2 bands, one being the Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe band featuring Tony Levin and the other being the YesWest line-up for 3 songs. This line-up rushed their songs but the sound they went for on those three foreshadow the band's next album, Talk. Although the song "Miracle of Life" also showcases Rabin's skills at tackling at writing a song that could easily sound like it came from The Yes Album, although with '90s production. Overall, the album is very overhated by the fans, including the 3 YesWest songs too. Talk, released in 1994 and happens to be Rabin's last outing with the band. And, for my money, is the one that deserves so much more respect. Not only because of the songwriting perfecting what the line-up tried to go for on Big Generator of blending their pop rock with progressive rock, "progressive pop rock" as I like to call it, with songs like "The Calling" and the 15 minute epic "Endless Dream", which happens to my favourite song of all time, but also because of how revolutionary the recording was. One of the first albums to be recorded onto and edited in a computer, it never seems to get brought up, which is a damn shame. And with it having so many nay-sayers, perhaps this is the band's underrated work and a true showcase of Trevor Rabin's masterful songwriting.
Elizabeth Susan Libra
2024-09-07 20:30:31 +0000 UTCHow to disappear completely is a great song but not a great Radiohead song cause it’s too pathetic. Most Radiohead songs got some optimism in it. And it feels kinda weird for it to be in kid A imo.
Htkkk
2024-09-07 20:30:05 +0000 UTCHere is my hot take: Yes' albums with the guitarist Trevor Rabin, from 1983's 90125 to 1994's Talk, deserve much more recognition as managing to perfect the prog sensibilities of Yes in a commercial context. And of course, 90125 and Talk also deserving recognition production wise with the former defining the sound of the '80s and the latter for being one of the first albums to be completely recorded to and edited on a computer. I'll post a more elaborate response in the replies although it might be too long for the video.
Elizabeth Susan Libra
2024-09-07 20:30:04 +0000 UTCThe dated music of the 70s is much better than the dated music of the 60s and 80s. If given the option, I'm always going to take the 70s sappy ballads over the 60s 'lovey dovey' bubblegum or the 80s sitcom themes and Rugrats synthesizers. It was such an incredible decade that even the weaker stuff released during then was still pretty good.
Herbieguy98
2024-09-07 20:14:02 +0000 UTCMore than most other metal subgenres, black metal usually needs heavy influence from other genres/styles or a significant deal of experimentation to be truly captivating. This isn’t restricted to more modern acts either; bands such as Ved Buens Ende and Samael stuck out in the second wave because of their willingness to venture outside of black metal’s typical confines. Not to say that straightforward black metal is bad or uninteresting, especially not if it’s well-written. But without a switch-up or a decently paced runtime it can get old super quickly.
EasyBakeCoven
2024-09-07 19:57:34 +0000 UTCDo you think mick Jenkins has reached his ceiling when it comes to noteriety? Could a project of his eventually gain some level of main stream success?
Zach S
2024-09-07 19:50:27 +0000 UTCImagine dragons are the Nickleback of the 2010’s
Zach S
2024-09-07 19:50:09 +0000 UTCHey melon, what's the worst era of my music taste? Reddit seems to think it's the adult tier but I think they're out of their minds and just hating because BRAT is in there. https://imgur.com/a/KYEB0bH
kissbubbly
2024-09-07 19:49:42 +0000 UTCMassive Hot Take: I don’t get the hype around Bowie albums released after 1973. I think he peaked with his Glam Rock sound even though I constantly see albums like Station to Station, Low, and Heroes peak rankings. (Not saying I dislike those albums, but I much prefer the ones released before)
Ben Barber
2024-09-07 19:47:31 +0000 UTCThe downward spiral of Rina Sawayama’s career and image has been really really sad to see as a long time fan of hers. The “Rina” EP has genuinely has some of the best pop in recent memory but half the stuff Hold The Girl seems like a shallow version of how good her music used to be. It’s also weird seeing her promote herself as supporting of causes and than proceeds to do offensive shit like where box braids and collaborate with zionist 😭😭
shilo ilo
2024-09-07 19:46:34 +0000 UTCAlter Bridge is superior to Creed on the basis of Myles Kennedy's vocals alone
bressig
2024-09-07 19:46:01 +0000 UTCKinda hot take: “Dani California” is a HORRIBLE song. Gentrified, lame ass funk with awful lyrics. One of the worst modern rock hits ever right up there with “Beverly Hills” and like seven Nickelback songs.
Machine Gun Philly
2024-09-07 19:43:22 +0000 UTC
