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What hman70 is saying is also an oversimplification on both points. While the speech was used to make Paradis the enemy, Eren specifially waited until the speech declared them enemies. If he didn't care at all he would have just attacked right at the start of the speech but he gave the Tybors and audience a chance by waiting and they proved him right in his eyes. Second point is you can't use the human shield argument to try to make one side morally superior here. Literally episode 1 and especially the second time they attack a wall in this show is literally the exact same thing Eren just did, except that the attacks on the wall were Government sanctioned while Eren acted on his own. The show is trying to show both sides at fault but one side was forced into this position multiple times while the other side had 100 years of abusing/brainwashing people and started the conflict.
Joseph C Gdaniec
2025-03-21 20:39:17 +0000 UTCI feel for Hayley. I don't think she'll have the stomach for season 4. But as the season goes on her ability to break down the twists and plots will be invaluable
Liam K
2024-04-28 22:10:39 +0000 UTCThere’s a lot I want to reply to your message with Josh but have to be short because of potential spoilers. The first point I want to make is that it’s an over simplification to conflate Eren with Paradisians. As we find out next ep Paradis didn’t want this attack, Eren did. We haven’t seen any evidence of Paradis attempting diplomacy with the Tyburs or Marley, and Eren was planning this attack before Willy even gave his speech, so using it as a justification for his actions doesn’t work. Second and last thing I’ll say for brevity’s sake is that “the enemy were using civilians as human shields” is not a justification for slaughtering those civilians. If you kill them, you still killed civilians. If you commit a terrorist attack and the government lets you do it, that doesn’t mean you aren’t a terrorist.
hman70
2024-04-24 13:04:19 +0000 UTCI’m surprised she caught that TBH that he was worried about Falco
Jake the Movie Geek
2024-04-24 12:30:24 +0000 UTCI never connected that. Good point!
Jake the Movie Geek
2024-04-24 12:29:40 +0000 UTClol I cringed so hard on that.
Jake the Movie Geek
2024-04-24 12:29:20 +0000 UTCI don't want you to get confused by it as we did so Reiner looked different because he was physically messed up when transforming. The state of the human body of the Titan shifter affects the appearance of the Titan form. Edit: also the intention, and as we knew from what he said previously, he had no regards for his own life so he manifested his armor offensively.
Anto
2024-04-24 04:01:27 +0000 UTCAnd the wars have started. We aren't even presented with the full thing yet and people are already justifying actions of characters.
Anto
2024-04-24 03:37:11 +0000 UTCThe USA firebombed and nuked Japan during WW2 killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians and while we can still pretty much conclude both sides committed heinous crimes against humanity I think we know which side was more justified in their actions.
vaughn
2024-04-23 23:52:06 +0000 UTCLoved what u wrote, agree with u Josh
Tututu
2024-04-23 13:46:05 +0000 UTCStill Eren Armin and all the troops from paradise kill a lot of civilians and kids that's the horror the show make us see and that's why this show is great because they are no good side and bad side everyone fight for is own safety and the safety of his people.
Arnaud Leroux
2024-04-23 10:38:33 +0000 UTCThe Nutcracker Titan is my personal favorite
Josh Knoebel
2024-04-23 05:42:31 +0000 UTC"Who is we anymore?" is a great question. This episode is brutal and horrific, but I hope you can think about it from Eren's perspective. He just listened to the combined leadership of the entire world declare war against his tiny little home of Paradis, while cheering. They claim that he, his family, and everyone he knows are subhuman devils that DESERVE to be completely wiped off the face of the planet. If you had the power to fight back and protect not just your personal loved ones, but your entire race and culture, can you honestly say you wouldn't use it? You would stand by and let them attack you time and time again like they have been for over 100 years? An endless stream of mindless titans (tortured and weaponized Eldians) that kept you cowering in fear behind the walls, until they eventually took even that small safety from you by breaching your defenses (multiple times) and killing your people in your own backyard? And yes, they were killing people in the internment zone who were not Marleyan, but the entire first 5 minutes of the prior episode was a dialogue between Willy Tybur and Magath explicitly planning the festival/stage play/world leader meeting so that there would be mass civilian casualties, in an attempt to sway global public opinion to their side. The Marleyan government and military were using civilians as meat shields to gain sympathy and claim victimhood (which, again, they explicitly discussed on screen). I find it hard to blame the Paradisians.
Josh Knoebel
2024-04-23 05:41:29 +0000 UTCHaylee, in the previous seasons you got used to Eren and the gang killing Titans. Titans were akin to a force of nature they were facing but now the "enemy" are other human beings. And so everything becomes more complex and not so morally clear. This is why you are so annoyed. You realize the people getting killed are not as easy to otherize as the Titans were in the previous seasons. This is made abundantly clear when you noticed how the gunner named Carlo, who was part of Pieck's panzer crew, had pictures of his friends in his gun compartment. Along with noticing how Armin just nuked a whole bunch of civilians alongside the Marleyan fleet. The world has gotten a whole lot bigger and more complicated then how this show started off in Season 1.
Drift3r
2024-04-23 02:13:23 +0000 UTCIn the thick of things? Well.... let's just say it's about to get a whole 'nother level of topsy turvey. So glad you guys are enjoying the show
Jamesson
2024-04-23 00:15:53 +0000 UTCLevi 2-0!!!
issaBlue
2024-04-22 23:47:41 +0000 UTCYou guys are having the right reactions. Who do we side with? There's a lot of gray eras. It's not as simple as it was when we were just killing titans
Jake the Movie Geek
2024-04-22 22:13:08 +0000 UTC*sees Armin* "Historia???" LOL
Nuni
2024-04-22 19:45:33 +0000 UTCRemember when Jean hesitated to kill the woman who was about to shoot him and got saved by Armin instead? He promised that he wouldn't hesitate again, so he was now even ready to kill a child if it tried to protect the enemy.
Oktay Yumlu
2024-04-22 19:21:17 +0000 UTCA juicer? That's hilarious. Had me laughing pretty good. :D Don't worry. Everything gets explained. And it's kind of repetitive now to keep saying this with this show, but it just gets better and crazier, impossible as that may seem.
Jon Herrera
2024-04-22 18:28:17 +0000 UTCThats war, sounds cruel but thats the way it is., unfortunately
Luis Suárez
2024-04-22 18:07:37 +0000 UTCIt's not made super obvious, but General Magath doesn't hate Eldians. A couple episodes ago he says he's pushing for Marleyan enrolment, he's talking about getting Marleyans to join the military because it'll be harder to justify war when it "isn't sacrificing legions of devils". Also, last episode when he's talking to Willy Tybur in the wagon, Magath tries to make the point that they shouldn't do it in the internment zone because so many Eldians will die, but Tybur says they have to die as Martyrs, then Magath says "Eldians truly are devils but so are we". So, to me at least, it wasn't really a surprise when Magath was worried about Falco. If you watch him closely, he shows that he doesn't hate Eldians, or at least not as much as other Marleyans.
Thomas Cresham
2024-04-22 17:48:25 +0000 UTCHaylo is too pure for this season. I can already see what direction this will go with her reaction.
Jake Smith
2024-04-22 16:18:34 +0000 UTC"Using the jaw titan as a juicer"lmaoo
Henrik Eik
2024-04-22 15:28:36 +0000 UTCHaylee watched all of this like I did—with sadness and confusion. It was so incredible to see our team in action and see how much they’ve grown and evolved but at the same time you can’t be proud of them without feeling like what they’re doing is wrong. You don’t know who the bad guys are anymore and it hurts to see our people (Armin especially) just cutting people down. Can’t wait for the next one!!! Or…well, mixed feelings haha.
Kel
2024-04-22 15:13:09 +0000 UTCUtter carnage in this episode!! More please!
Billy Dancel
2024-04-22 15:10:24 +0000 UTCI love the outro music for y'all videos.
iameNeRG (Rodney Gant)
2024-04-22 14:51:58 +0000 UTCDisagree personally, a lot of what happens can hit better if you have time in between to process everything. Also in general I dislike telling first time viewers when important episodes are, might not be a spoiler for everyone but it's spoiler adjacent
hman70
2024-04-22 14:46:31 +0000 UTCIncredible reaction to an incredible episode. The balance of you guys wanting to enjoy what might be the most intense action in the series to date with the emotional gravity of the stakes of it all and the lives being lost sinking in is absolutely representative of the audience as a whole. The "Who is *we* anymore?" yes. Chef's kiss
hman70
2024-04-22 14:42:04 +0000 UTCSince ik yall react to comments much l8r, im just gonna say this in advance : PLS WATCH EPS 19,20 AND 21 TOGETHER, I really dont want yall to miss this trilogy
aryan2k2
2024-04-22 14:40:25 +0000 UTCYou're exhausted? Well it only gets worse! Enjoy the nightmare season. IMO this is the best season by far. I love all of them but this one especially. Its so nuanced and theres just so many real life themes, morals, ethics, and even poetry i suppose. Well more on that later!
Lasse Bjørkmo
2024-04-22 14:36:08 +0000 UTCFull* lol
Dane Fisette
2024-04-22 14:05:59 +0000 UTC
