Attack on Titan 4x25
Added 2024-06-05 18:32:01 +0000 UTCLet us talk...
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Eleonora Frizorger
2024-07-13 15:31:50 +0000 UTCMagath did sent the Warriors to the island. And while the Eldian Empire might be history, it only ended about a century ago. That might seem like a long time, but Magath likely had (great)grandparents who lived under Eldian oppression, it would be a lot more personal to him.
Lucid
2024-06-07 09:26:26 +0000 UTCWhat’re the odds the plot armor titan survives the series?
Don Pham
2024-06-07 05:20:57 +0000 UTCYea, you have a great point. The reason they've gone for this completely different animationstyle is from what i read the direct translation of their characters. With each and every fact yelena called out you see (for example) armin for a short cut being in shame directly cutting to trees. As though armin can't look anyone in the eye and everyone just wants to get out of the situation. As i said, it's their FIRST conversation, not like sws assumed "a final conversation" and FR as you said i would try to utterly justify myself in silence just like Jean did in the first 2Minutes of the episode. The whole EP for me again is a masterpiece (even though its the slowest in the season) bc it interconnects these shamescenes and gives the characters the first chance ever to think outside of the box.
tris273
2024-06-06 15:38:02 +0000 UTCWhen I reached this part, I felt like this moment in the story wasn't give quite the space to breathe that I wanted. Which, to be fair, the world is ending so the characters themselves don't exactly have space to breathe. But there's a powerful significance to these character coming together that I wanted to feel more of. With all of the accumulated tension and interpersonal conflict over 4 seasons of fighting (esp. between Armin/Jean/Connie and Reiner/Annie), they all have fantastic reasons to hate, but also understand one another. We get one good moment of that with Jean's punch, but I wanted more. The potential, and all the groundwork is there.
Michael Uebele
2024-06-06 14:27:16 +0000 UTCI can agree, I do see storieswithstyle's points as he wants some closure from the characters for what has happened. But I think it is very realistic in the sense that there is nothing to say especially the first time it's brought up again and shoved in your face. I would personally go into deep thought trying to either justify or shame myself but I would definitely not be able to give an answer on the spot. It really depends on a persons cognition how they behave in that moment and how much they have processed what they have done/not done.
daragh faro
2024-06-06 12:32:12 +0000 UTCI agree with the silence saying more. Because throughout the rest of Attack on Titan, almost every single character has made it clear with their words or expressions that "our hands are stained with blood", it's been a theme too consistent to not see that everyone already thinks it, especially after Yelena proved it one by one to each of them in one last blow. In the end, after all of Yelena's accusations about the crimes everyone had committed, all the guilt written on their faces, in my opinion there was only one answer that really mattered-- that reflected the sum of their guilt and their blame for each other and what they intended to do about it. And that was "how to answer Gabi and Falco's plea". When they were both begging over Reiner to please, please save everyone. The answer is that though everyone's hands are forever stained with blood, though nobody feels they truly deserve to say that they are or have been in the right, that even though they might not be able to completely forgive each other, possibly ever-- that all they can do is move forward and finally do the RIGHT thing RIGHT NOW. This was one of the few times that there was nothing to be said that hadn't been said before-- they're proving it with their choice and actions instead.
BlastYoBoots
2024-06-06 02:58:48 +0000 UTCAh, that makes more sense to me now. I misinterpreted your reaction. I didn't think the conversation around the fire was going to be that successful because tensions were still very high between the two groups. On a side note, I think it was very interesting seeing Magath's reaction to Gaby begging for help.
Eduardo
2024-06-06 01:18:02 +0000 UTChahahaha, that would be awesome :D
M U
2024-06-06 00:00:03 +0000 UTCOh, I see. I think conflict still just not resolved in this episode.
puremetalcore
2024-06-06 00:00:02 +0000 UTCYeah, that part might be something I change my mind about when the scenes i expected happening here happening later. =)
M U
2024-06-05 23:59:40 +0000 UTCHim saying "I have done as much sterrible stuff as you" or something alike. This way it really feels like Armin is not on the same level as e.g. Annie, though Annie killed far less people. Additionally, Armin later thinks about Berthold, but never says that to Reiner etc. I would have loved for exapmple to have the realisation that comes later when Daz and Samuel are killed here already and saying what he thought there to the marleyans. Similar stuff for the others. Like Jean saying to Gabi that he killed people too. That would not have been needed directly, to be fair, but he could have said it when he and Gabi had their dialogues. =)
M U
2024-06-05 23:58:36 +0000 UTCimagine if they went through all this t ofind eren at the coast just saiyng he had the walls walk up ot the shore to show he has a threat against marley
HAL
2024-06-05 22:53:40 +0000 UTCTheres no word's or actions that can outweight the atrocities all of them done. This EP uses an animationtechnic usually acccuring in hunterxhunter using flashy backround image to rise tension over certain sentences and their silenced parts. It induced the feeling of being there, being ashame even and having that awkward feeling you have when you have to see yourself as the bad person in a conflict but you're still to scared to give up ur ego and transform. You assume that it's their last conversation but actually it's their first. They'll still have their talks with this episode just starting all of it in a way that feels VERY slow(just looking at the high pacing in previous 30eps) but was necessary as the last split before the final fights and characterdevelopments accure.
tris273
2024-06-05 22:52:47 +0000 UTCI get that, but that's because this conflict isn't resolved yet. I also don't think there's any reason for them to acknowledge that to Yelena of all people + Kevin's point. They're not exactly open to these moral questions yet either, as they've just now met up for the first time. This is not the place for everything to be resolved despite how satisfying that might've been at the time. And they are in fact running away from these questions as well, but that's not a fault of the writing or dialouge, but a result of the conflicted pposition our characters find themselves in. All I'm saying is that these questions will come back later in some form. This is just the beginning of dealing with their sins now that they've come back to bite them.
Phthalo
2024-06-05 22:49:43 +0000 UTCthe show makes it clear but the characters haven't cleared thing sup not that you ever could just clear stuff like that up armin has talked pletny to anne but there's still a lot of tension thats not easy to resolve also, armin now has bertholts memories but he's also the one who figured out annie was hte female titan, figured out how to corner her and lured her in so while we saw annie nad eren fight armin also bears full responsibility for the whole annie eren fight and her ending up in a stone
HAL
2024-06-05 22:49:28 +0000 UTCAwesome reaction as always. What type of response were you looking for to Yelena's questions? Armin sure feels guilt for destroying the harbor and killing innocents, but strategically speaking he had to. Without the destruction of all those battle ships, we don't even know if they would've successfully got Eren and Zeke out of Liberio. The situation is very interesting because most of their evil actions are also intelligent battle decisions.
Eduardo
2024-06-05 21:55:43 +0000 UTCI think why I disagree with you is that I don't really think there is much that necessarily *needs* resolving. All conflict mentioned in this episode, safe for the Reiner/Jean one are not conflict which really impact others. Reiner: Already discussed multiple times in the show, most notably in the declaration of war. Annie: Also discussed at length, most notably in the episode Sunset Armin: This conflict doesn't personally impact the other characters in this scene. Like yeah, it's a huge moment (literally and figuratively), but no other character is really involved. There's nothing to be resolved in the group by mentioning anything which wasn't already mentioned. Jean: This is the one where I guess you can make a case since Falco is involved, but still I think this was partly touched on when Falco and Gabi kneeled in front of him, even if they weren't directly addressing it. In terms of his personal character arc, this is a direct escalation of what happened in s3e2 (I believe) between Armin and Jean. I don't think much would be added by basically repeating that scene, at least in part. Gabi: I don't even need to mentioned how well addressed this part was. In any case, I think that the silent looking away was the most in-character thing Isayama could have written in this scene. As in yeah, it's not pretty, but it would absolutely be how all these people would react. I guess what I mean to say by this is that while I sorta get your points, there really was not much which needed to be "resolved" here. The point of this episode was to show that both sides have done horrific deeds and that fingerpointing in this situation would merely be hypocritical. Getting everything out in the open makes everyone more trusting of one another.
Erjon Sejdijaj
2024-06-05 21:12:38 +0000 UTCi think he finished the season already (e28) its just not uploaded jet because he has no time
Benzoni
2024-06-05 21:00:18 +0000 UTCI see. From my perspective a big reason they were not speaking and moving on casually was that it was clear to them Yelena was trying to make them fight each other. Ignoring her was their way of not engaging with her attempted manipulation. Even if talking about it included apologizing, their alliance is very tentative and they don’t want to bring up sore subjects. Yelena calls this out directly when she says they cling to the phrase “save the world, to wash out the taste of hate”. She ends up being correct. Even with Reiner apologizing wholeheartedly while talking about Marco, it still causes issues within the alliance and makes Jean leave for awhile. Always good to get different perspectives though, so I appreciate your response. Agreed on the Jean/Reiner scene though haha.
Kevin
2024-06-05 20:26:08 +0000 UTCOh! And don’t forget episode 86 has an after-credits scene!
Kevin
2024-06-05 20:16:54 +0000 UTCYes, of course they do, but I would have liked them say it for once to the people they always accused. Armin nuked a harbor, all we got was "oh, so this is what berthold saw". Comparing that to s3e2, where they took half an episode to address armin killing the woman, it feels really off that these things are not discussed at length. "Armin feels guilty" is just not cutting it anymore at this point to me. =( They even had the brilliant setup with him almost sacrificing himself to conny's mom. Just felt really off. but perhaps they will talk again and adress it. I just assumed this was the last time they got together on screen like this as the movies are probably action heavy and have other foci. =)
M U
2024-06-05 20:09:57 +0000 UTCYeah, storyboarding was awesome. As this is probably their last time together on screen like this, I feel just silence did not do it justice, though. Feels like their relationship did not get resolved here in any way (save for Jean/Reiner). Especially Mikasa just doing the Eren thing we saw 1000x stole valuabel time they could have used for more character writing. It was always just 2/3 lines that were missing and knowing Isayams writing, he could have easily nailed them. I feel something was cut, almost.
M U
2024-06-05 20:06:14 +0000 UTCThat was not the point, I was annoyed at, though. I want them to acknowledge it to the people they accuse themselves. The dialogue felt really shallow considering this is probably their last talk. If this had been a scene in season 3 or 2, I would have loved it, but Jean is just like "yeah, okay..., I am not gonna address Yelena's criticism, I like soup". Sometimes it is not enough to just imply stuff, I expected them to talk about it and come to the conclusion that they all had done fucked up shit and say "hey, we all have done fucked up shit". We had far better character writing before and I was really disappointed in the dialogue. I got what the episode was going for, but it just fell flat to me in many parts. I loved that Jean could "avenge marco", though.
M U
2024-06-05 20:03:39 +0000 UTCThere’s an entire episode of Armin narrating the past 3 years to Annie trying to figure out if there was any step along the way that he could have changed so that he didn’t end up feeling forced by Eren to take out the port so that Marley couldn’t immediately retaliate against the island. His guilt and grief over this is clearly apparent in that episode. Jean also questions himself immediately after throwing the spear at falco, and then the very next episode stops Floch from killing them after they shoot Sasha, clearly realizing he made a mistake before nearly killing a kid and trying to do right this time. I’m kinda confused at this reaction. I feel like the story has done in incredible job both in previous episodes and this one showcasing the characters feelings and guilt. This episode felt realistic to me. I think a whole episode of characters directly saying, “I did ‘x’, and this was morally wrong” would feel corny and forced.
Kevin
2024-06-05 19:39:21 +0000 UTCI think this is the sorta situation where silence speaks louder than words. While I kinda get what you're saying, what could they say, really? They all obviously regret their actions, all for reasons everyone basically already knows. Just the act of looking away and staying silent is an admission of guilt here. Anyway, shoutout to the storyboarding of this episode. It really added to the atmosphere and gave extra depth to the emotions that it gave me as the viewer.
Erjon Sejdijaj
2024-06-05 19:20:27 +0000 UTCI think Armin and Jean feel guilty for what have they done
puremetalcore
2024-06-05 19:12:28 +0000 UTC
