TRAINWRECKORDS: Motley Crue's "Generation Swine"
Added 2022-09-04 22:15:31 +0000 UTCEDIT EDIT EDIT: The embed doesn't seem to be working (WOW PATREON, THIS VIMEO PARTNERSHIP IS GOING SO WELL), so here's the direct link. Does this work?: https://vimeo.com/user89788165/thething
EDIT: Okay, I just uploaded it to YouTube, hopefully that link works
This episode kicked my ass. I clearly need a break -- I was planning to take this month off, but then I missed deadline so technically I'm posting this during my vacation; I'm taking a badly needed break after this. I may be back next month or I might extend it, either way you don't need to adjust your patronage since I get paid by the video anyway
But as always check for my mistakes!
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Thanks for all of your hard work, Todd. I feel unfortunate that I haven't seen your videos until just about a week ago but I've watched every one since then. Really enjoy your musical perspective and fair criticisms. I wasn't sure where to drop this suggestion but I'm sure it has probably been referenced before for Trainwreckords. I'd have to say Angelic 2 The Core by Corey Feldman. As far as derailing a music career, I'm not sure one was ever really established but it has to rank somewhere up there with one of the worst albums of all time. Lol thanks again for all of the great content.
Demo Dick The Cock Marcinko in Hell and I took the dog with me
2022-10-17 15:06:16 +0000 UTCWe still love you! I'm just jonesin for some more TITS!
plusmin
2022-09-22 18:15:17 +0000 UTCNo, I'm just extremely exhausted
Todd in the Shadows
2022-09-19 19:36:26 +0000 UTCDid Todd move to once a month permanently?
plusmin
2022-09-19 16:11:12 +0000 UTCAlice in Chains funnily enough started out as a Hair Metal band called Sleze, and then Alice N Chainz, their box set has some demos of their hair metal phase and you can still hear some elements on Facelift.
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-10 02:02:39 +0000 UTCi was like that in high school when I first heard Appetite for Destruction in the 2000s, my mind was blown.
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-10 02:01:53 +0000 UTCEh I think this is more listenable then "Load"(which was a "Load" alright, a Load of shit for the most part) which was WAY too fucking long for it's own good with way too much filler and too many overlong, boring and mediocre songs.
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-10 01:54:53 +0000 UTCI think Crue did get better after this album though as New Tattoo was a fine return to form and Saints of Los Angeles was their best album since Dr Feelgood.
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-10 01:32:00 +0000 UTCIts funny as a few iconic metal bands of the 80's went through low points in the 90's without their most famous lead singer. Yet unlike Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and Black Sabbath Crue seem to be the only one who got worse once their singer returned.
James Thomas
2022-09-07 14:03:12 +0000 UTCAfter giving it some thought, “Brandon” is worse than “How Many Say I”. As awful as Eddie’s song is, at least he doesn’t come off as a moron when he sings it. Tommy sounds like he just learned that the baby comes out of the mommy.
Kristopher Bluth
2022-09-06 16:20:54 +0000 UTCWhat gets me is the random woodworking footage spliced into the video for Afraid... I mean, I get it, what with the guy polishing the doll woman's wooden leg, but... working on a lathe is actually really relaxing, so it doesn't fit the tone, at all.
user no. g_{64}
2022-09-06 09:14:11 +0000 UTCvery good luck on your break.. i hope you honestly feel a lot better after this break as i love all your content and have been watching since 2012
duke86fan
2022-09-06 06:13:28 +0000 UTCI actually had a similar vibe with a different Trainwreckord. When Todd did his episode on Witness, I kept thinking of Get to Heaven by Everything Everything, which came out the year before and made big summery pop songs out of the geopolitical anxieties that later gave way to Brexit and Trump. It’s very doubtful that Katy Perry used Everything Everything as an inspiration for “purposeful pop” – I don’t think anyone in the States listens to them except for weird indie kids and Radiohead fans – but it’s also not impossible either.
Oisín Harrell
2022-09-06 02:06:15 +0000 UTCY'know, Todd doesn't bring them up in the litany of influences this album has, but I kept being reminded of another 90's band who mixed hard, trashy glam rock with hints of scuzzy 90's gothic industrial and sardonic self-deprecating lyrics, and who also played a lot on pig imagery, to the point one of their biggest songs was called "We Are The Pigs": Suede. Dunno how likely the most infamously unable-to-cross-over Britpop band having an impact on this album is, but that's what I hear. Probably would've made a better target to aim for than "Everything", at least.
Claire Marriott
2022-09-05 23:19:09 +0000 UTCRingo the 4th would make for a funny trainwreckord. Todd has been looking for an “established act does disco” video, for which this mess would be perfect. I’d probably prefer Elliot Roberts talking about it in his eventual “Ringo solo album ranking” video though. Elliot does good stuff, go check him out.
Peter Melling
2022-09-05 22:53:25 +0000 UTCI think they have some good ballads, especially in their much better follow-up album New Tattoo.
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-05 21:19:14 +0000 UTCI thought most of the bands came off as fine in that documentary and even some Hair Bands have argued that Nirvana didn't really kill off hair metal and it was already on the decline as Warrant frontman Jani Lane recounted seeing their posters in the record label building being taken down and replaced with posters of Alice in Chains so the groundwork was already being laid. Nirvana actually never wanted to be famous, they were perfectly happy being obscure and unknown and i'd argue fame is what led to Cobain's death as he never really seemed happy with his success and looked deeply uncomfortable.
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-05 21:18:47 +0000 UTCPeter's book had some fascinating stories but it was a lot of whiny nonsense, still not as bad as Bobby Blotzer's book. I think Out of Control is a bigger Trainwreckord, Peter blamed lack of label promotion for it's failure but I think the real truth was fans just weren't interested in him as a solo artist(at least not as much as Ace). i think Music from the Elder was a Trainwreckord as that was the end of KISS leading the trends and it forced them to ditch their makeup for a while and they had to rely on their 70s songs for their 90s comeback.
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-05 21:15:56 +0000 UTCThis is fun timing because I've been listening to a lot of them recently (and I also think their ballads suck). They really struck me as the kind of band that could only exist in the exact time period they started in, outside of it they just seem like an oddity. Some awesome songs though. Have a good long break Todd and thanks for another great episode!
CB
2022-09-05 20:34:03 +0000 UTCTake all the time you need, Todd! You deserve a break!
darkjaden825698
2022-09-05 19:34:33 +0000 UTCBetween the glam acts going grunge and the flashy hip hop acts having to act hardcore the early 90s really are a Trainwreckords gold mine (I know this in 97 but still)
Anthony Pierre Coco
2022-09-05 19:00:43 +0000 UTCOnly mistake I could see is using an image of "Creep" when discussing STP. "Creep" actually has the word "creep" in the lyrics
Octo
2022-09-05 17:23:47 +0000 UTCI watched a lot of Headbanger’s Ball as a kid – I’m probably one of the few millennials who remembers Riki Rachtman, unless he got a shit-ton of new followers from Monday Nitro – and Mötley Crüe was one of my earliest favorite bands (the other two being Skid Row and Aerosmith). My mom bought me Decade of Decadence on cassette and a VHS compilation of their music videos. The subject matter went way over my head as a four year-old, but I thought they were fucking awesome. I even went as a hair metal rocker – complete with a jean jacket vest and oversized black curly wig – to my preschool Halloween party (not entirely unlike a shrunk down John Corabi). Part of me feels an odd sense of nostalgia towards The Crüe for that reason. For a lot of people, Nevermind instantly vaporized everything that came before it. But as someone who watched MTV during that weird fucking stretch between 1989 and 1991, I think it might have given me the broad appreciation for music that’s carried into my adult years. At the same time though…this scene really needed to die. I tried watching The Decline of Western Civilization Part II a few years ago, which follows a couple of struggling L.A. bands in the oversaturated hair metal scene and contains interviews with bonafide rock stars from that time – and except for Alice Cooper and Lemmy, everyone comes off like a massive asshole in that documentary. Rock had become too comfortably Spinal Tap and something had to change. I kind of respect The Crüe for following bands like Manic Street Preachers and Pantera…but Nikki Sixx isn’t Richey Edwards and Vince Neil sure as shit isn’t Phil Anselmo. Japanese bands like Buck-Tick and Malice Mizer actually did a great job of balancing stadium glam rock with nineties darkwave, but…yeah, this sounds like ass. I hope Charlie Clouser at least got paid decently if he really did work on this. Patreon rant/reminiscence/thing over. Great work as always. Enjoy your vacation.
Oisín Harrell
2022-09-05 17:20:29 +0000 UTCTo anyone wondering why Wilson Phillips' "Shadows and Light" might make a good episode of Trainwreckords, check out the following articles, one from 1992 from Entertainment Weekly, not long before WP broke up, and the other from 2020 from Rolling Stone. https://ew.com/article/1992/11/27/decline-wilson-phillips/ https://www.meremart.com/Entertainment-Weekly--November-27-1992 https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/wilson-phillips-hold-on-bridesmaids-interview-957375/
David Gutierrez
2022-09-05 17:10:25 +0000 UTCMentioning Peter Criss towards the end made me think - his solo album from ‘78 was very much a trainwreckord for him. Since Kiss arguably doesn’t have a trainwreckord, this’d be the best way to talk about the solo album project as a whole and how Peter’s album basically was his end as a contributor in the band. Also, Peter’s book is legitimately one of the most awful musician autobiographies I’ve ever read. The man has almost zero self-awareness and refuses to take any responsibility for his bullshit (even when it looks like he’s gonna do it). 10/10 would hateread again.
Peter Melling
2022-09-05 14:21:51 +0000 UTCVince Neil could sing with the Residents and instantly turn them into dated cheese.
Kristopher Bluth
2022-09-05 13:27:16 +0000 UTCSo what's worse, "How Many Say I" or "Brandon"? That's a tough one...
Kristopher Bluth
2022-09-05 13:23:09 +0000 UTCFantastic episode, though I do heartily disagree with your dislike of the “Terry Gilliam-directed Saw” style of video. More of that forever, if you ask me.
Calum O'Halloran
2022-09-05 12:32:23 +0000 UTCThe similarities between this and "Van Halen III" - save for the original vocalist returning - are incredible. Songs written for someone else's vocal range, a weird mishmash of styles, a completely overmatched producer, the most famous non-singing member actually getting to sing an epically cringey ballad - it's all here. I really do like "Afraid," though, so that's one more good song than "VH3" had on it.
Damian Penny
2022-09-05 12:07:02 +0000 UTCThis shit goes hard
Dustin Parsons
2022-09-05 08:44:23 +0000 UTCEnjoy your break, dude - wouldn't like to see you burn out (I've almost been there a few times). See you when you feel refreshed!
Robin Rohwoldt
2022-09-05 06:38:18 +0000 UTCI don't think they're all awful people, at least not Nikki, that guy had a genuinely fucked up childhood with no real chance of a normal life, so it's a miracle he's even still alive. Also felt pretty bad for Mick with his ankylosis condition that had been causing him constant pain since he was 19 (which is what drove him to drink so much)Vince and Tommy seemed to choose to be bad seemingly just for the hell of it whereas Nikki and Mick just seemingly got dealt a bad hand in life and tried to numb the pain with drugs and alcohol.
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-05 05:19:48 +0000 UTCand what final piece would tha be?
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-05 05:07:21 +0000 UTCthey sort of did do that though with the Quarternary EP where each band member did a song in their own style, Tommy Lee was the one who was really into the industrial stuff(and the song he did on that EP "Planet Boom" got remade for the Pamela Anderson film Barb Wire as "Welcome to Planet Boom") so it was no surprise when he went into that direction with Methods of Mayhem after his exile from the band in the early 2000s.
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-05 05:06:53 +0000 UTCProbably yeah, Saints of Los Angeles was a good album, but there's never going to be another Dr Feelgood.
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-05 05:04:59 +0000 UTCdon't forget Genesis-Calling All Stations, Run DMC-Down with the King and Vanilla Ice-Mind Blowin Don't really think Yellow Album qualifies as novelty albums about TV shows are kind of a stretch. I don't remember Bleed Like Me flopping really.
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-05 05:02:55 +0000 UTCTake a deserved break, we'll be here when you come back. Love the episode, was in college during this era and I remember just thinking the whole Crue thing was just sad and depressing. Now that I've heard more than the only video, I realize it was so much worse.
Aaron Larson
2022-09-05 05:00:27 +0000 UTCi'll gladly listen to Swine over anything those hacks ever put out.
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-05 04:57:18 +0000 UTCI think Motley Crue has decent ballads, I think Without You is pretty good, Home Sweet Home isn't that great though and is admittedly amongst the weakest of the hair metal ballads, it's no "Heaven" or "Every Rose Has It's Thorn" for sure.
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-05 04:57:03 +0000 UTCIf Imagine Dragons were around in 1997, this is exactly the type of music they'd be making.
Jacqueline Sailer
2022-09-05 04:27:53 +0000 UTCI would've put their self-titled album here as a Trainwreckord personally as that was the true beginning of their decline in popularity, their autobiography The Dirt certainly looks at it that way, one notable passage from the book had the band members asking some fans if they wanted to meet them for autographs in the parking lot after the show, and once they got to the parking lot they were distraught to see only a handful of people asking for their autographs compared to previous tours where they'd had dozens of fans waiting for them after the show waiting for autographs, it really showed how unpopular Corabi was with the fans and how much Grunge had taken over.
RedBedroomRecords
2022-09-05 04:24:19 +0000 UTCI loved hearing the intro to Glitter and imagining them covering Open Up by Leftfield. And when you said Tommy Lee was going to sing, I had Eddie Van Halen flashbacks. Also 'You're All I Need' is my favourite of theirs, so they can do ballads. Fun revüe :)
Christie Brewster
2022-09-05 04:10:23 +0000 UTCAnd I’m sure I’m not the first to suggest this, but the story behind “Waiting for A Star to Fall” by Boy Meets Girl is actually a lot more interesting than you may think. Nirvana Killed My Career and Screwed By The Label all in one episode!
Kristopher Bluth
2022-09-05 03:30:47 +0000 UTCVince Neil's voice is really more suited for the old Crue stuff. He has an edge of sarcasm that fits the 80s stuff more .
Katy Hart
2022-09-05 03:29:38 +0000 UTCWatching shriveled up metal guys cry about how much they didn’t understand grunge never gets old.
Kristopher Bluth
2022-09-05 03:23:09 +0000 UTCI remember going to B. Dalton and thumbing through magazines like Kerrang and Hit Parader that were all about the hair metal and completely baffled as to what to do with stuff like Pearl Jam and Alice In Chains. When Motley Crue’s self titled from 1994 was coming out, they tried SO HARD to hype it as some grand event that a whole generation was foaming at the mouth for (“There’s a group of kids who have never heard Crue and are desperate to experience real rock at last! Really they are!”). Heh heh, have fun going on Where Are They Now? shows to whine about how mean Kurt Cobain was to you. Say what you like about where bands like the Pixies, Jane’s Addiction, or even Bush wound up, but they aged far more gracefully than most of hair metal did…
Kristopher Bluth
2022-09-05 03:19:15 +0000 UTCInteresting that they mentioned Cheap Trick as an influence to the album, as Rick Nielsen and Robin Zander are credited on backing vocals on "Glitter". But glad to have this one covered, I always wondered what exactly happened in the 90s to Crue
Cody Baird
2022-09-05 03:12:01 +0000 UTCI remember being a like 12-13 year old edgelord metalhead kid (in like the early 2000's after that was really a thing) and hearing Dr. Feelgood for the first time and getting swept away. Then hearing Generation Swine and quietly going back to Feelgood and Kickstart My Heart like nothing ever happened lol
Gabby Wolf
2022-09-05 02:39:29 +0000 UTCThank god Todd isn't sick of Nirvana Killed My Career episodes, because I literally never will be
Johnny Riches
2022-09-05 02:22:49 +0000 UTCEnjoy your break Todd. When you get back to making videos, here are some interesting "Trainwreckords" to consider: "Bionic" by Christina Aguilera "Hootie Mack" by Bel Biv Devoe "Testify" by Phil Collins "Love Beach" by Emerson Lake and Palmer "Masterpiece Theatre" by En Vogue "Bleed Like Me" by Garbage "Chinese Democracy" by Guns N' Roses "Victory" by the Jacksons (The Victory tour featured no songs from the Victory album) "Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie" by Alanis Morisette "Face the Music" by NKOTB "The Yellow Album" by the Simpsons "Now & Forever" by Kim Wilde "Shadows and Light" by Wilson Phillips "In Blue", "Live in Dublin", or "Borrowed Heaven" by the Corrs
David Gutierrez
2022-09-05 02:09:15 +0000 UTCgreat episode todd, what a wild ride. tho now im more wanting the final piece of the Glam Metal Flop Era Trilogy, even tho i know it will probs be an hour long and a bitch to make. but it doesnt really matter ... gotta find out for yourself ...
take5™
2022-09-05 01:55:00 +0000 UTCi was gonna first ask "dont u think its a bit too early to call that a trainwreckord?" and then i remembered that its been 5 years now, and they just released a new album, and it was desperately trying to get back to the sound of the glory days, and most critics thought it was just mid, and then The Rest happened, and i think now, yeah, its time
take5™
2022-09-05 01:48:47 +0000 UTCAnother great video... just a note, at the 22:45 mark, more or less, there is a very odd cut/edit/jump. Just something to check.
David Gutierrez
2022-09-05 01:44:35 +0000 UTCMe, squinting at that Pam and Tommy clip before you said what it was from: Wow, Tommy Lee looks EXACTLY like Sebastian Stan.
Laura Elizabeth
2022-09-05 01:27:56 +0000 UTCI was able to view on Vimeo. Enjoyed it, learned a little.. Hey take some time, relax, and come back when you feel revived and rejuvinated. I know that overclocked feeling and it just takes time to get back to baseline.
nursermk
2022-09-05 01:21:12 +0000 UTCIt seems like Motley Crue would have been better off if the band went on hiatus for a few years in the mid-1990s so all the members could do their own side projects with their visions of what Crue should be. After that bit of experimenting and getting out of their system they could come back together and actually hash out a coherent vision. Seems to work for Dave Grohl.
Josh Liller
2022-09-05 01:04:38 +0000 UTCOh boy. This is probably the first video you've done that I got a bit worried at before clicking because I have a lot of nostalgia attachment to Motley Crue... But yeah no, everything here was pretty much spot on. I really wish they had gone the "velvet revolver" route with the '94 album, and thinking Vince could just be slapped in for the songs meant for Corabi was stupid as hell. Nikki seemed to learn an important lesson which was "keep it to the solo albums", these kinds of songs go to Sixx AM to make now which is probably for the best. "Motley Crue" really is an accurate band name. For better or worse, the whole group is kinda mismatched and Vince by himself is basically holding up the entire "hair metal" aspect, so without him they lose all of it, and with him they can't do anything else. Realizing that is probably why they don't put out albums anymore. They could probably get away with occasional singles, but trying to make a whole bunch of songs that hit that sweet spot where things match up right probably isn't doable out of their original era without sounding utterly dated and only of interest to their old diehard fans.
Katastrophe
2022-09-05 00:58:45 +0000 UTClmao that closing line
AimLikeFish
2022-09-05 00:54:10 +0000 UTCwow just... nailed it.
Buddog18
2022-09-05 00:44:54 +0000 UTCI facepalmed several times at the promotion for the album and the “Brandon” song. Seriously, it sounds like something out of a Mr. Show sketch or an IASIP episode. Corabi’s interview was very telling as to the absolute lack of direction the album had.
Peter Melling
2022-09-05 00:17:52 +0000 UTCIs that timestamp correct? I don't hear any change
Todd in the Shadows
2022-09-05 00:13:10 +0000 UTCI genuinely thought “Brandon” was a joke
Listening to Deadlock at the furry convention
2022-09-04 23:35:50 +0000 UTCalso it might be my Twitter brain, but I can't help but imagine Pamela Anderson giving birth to a baby Joe Biden when I hear that Brandon song.
meffeww
2022-09-04 23:30:56 +0000 UTCSounds about right. This album was hot fucking garbage. Metallica managed to make great heavy modern rock albums (Load and ReLoad are both excellent albums), Aerosmith just made dirtier and sleazier hard rock, but Crüe...just...no.
Kylie McInnes
2022-09-04 23:28:40 +0000 UTCthere is a dip in the audio quality of your voiceover between 6:30 - 6:50 (reminds me of your old videos, kinda nostalgic, but definitely not intentional). besides that, this was such a fun episode - and hearing the lyrics to Brandon is the hardest I've laughed in a while. enjoy your break and thank you for the great content as always!
meffeww
2022-09-04 23:24:28 +0000 UTCIf you like failed attempts to save a slipping career that only cemented its death, there's a very good episode to be made on The All-American Rejects' Kids in the Street, which tries to catch the indie rock boom of 2012 and also get a little Fall Out Boy/Panic at the Disco style personality, and fails at both horribly.
Isaac Jackson
2022-09-04 23:12:57 +0000 UTCEnjoy your time off!
Jennifer Layton
2022-09-04 22:55:34 +0000 UTCI saw them on their most recent tour. Vince looked...unwell.
Henry Kiley
2022-09-04 22:54:53 +0000 UTCThank you so much Todd!
Listening to Deadlock at the furry convention
2022-09-04 22:41:05 +0000 UTCPlease do Everything Now at some point
Charles Kieser
2022-09-04 22:38:18 +0000 UTCI clicked through to the Vimeo page and it plays fine now, thanks.
Elisa
2022-09-04 22:35:31 +0000 UTCThat works now, thanks Todd! Short holiday eh?
Jaszon Alexzander
2022-09-04 22:33:38 +0000 UTCTrying to fix but I've added the direct link in the description
Todd in the Shadows
2022-09-04 22:32:50 +0000 UTCSeconded.
Teddy Haines
2022-09-04 22:30:36 +0000 UTCVideo is broken
Tyler curneal
2022-09-04 22:29:34 +0000 UTCthe direct link you posted in the edit works.
Creamer
2022-09-04 22:29:32 +0000 UTCthe direct link works thank you!
Anthony Raye
2022-09-04 22:29:11 +0000 UTCIt’s asking me to log into Vimeo to view the video
Kael
2022-09-04 22:28:31 +0000 UTCDoes not work for me on mobile haven't tested PC
Craig Nelson
2022-09-04 22:27:16 +0000 UTCNow it takes me to Vimeo where it says Sorry, we couldn't find that page
Teddy Haines
2022-09-04 22:27:15 +0000 UTCDoes it work now?
Todd in the Shadows
2022-09-04 22:26:01 +0000 UTCIt's possible to get the vimeo link from the source code, but the embed is broken, like the comments above say. ETA: didn't notice any issues with the video. Always love a Trainwreckords! Enjoy your time off.
Alina
2022-09-04 22:24:20 +0000 UTCIs it me or does the video not work for anyone else? Anyways, enjoy your break Todd! EDIT: direct link works, I'm on Firefox windows 10
Yannic Schäfer
2022-09-04 22:23:00 +0000 UTCThe video won't play.
Teddy Haines
2022-09-04 22:22:47 +0000 UTCThe video link appears to be broken.
Ethan Michael Thomas
2022-09-04 22:22:24 +0000 UTCWe appreciate your efforts Todd! Get some rest, try not to think about music too much!
Jason Lee
2022-09-04 22:21:57 +0000 UTCThanks for all your hard work! Enjoy your break Todd!
Serendipity
2022-09-04 22:21:25 +0000 UTCBased on that album artwork, this should have been a Primus album.
Thomas Carmody
2022-09-04 22:19:15 +0000 UTCYes! I was hoping you make a Trainwreckords video for this
TheOwlGuy
2022-09-04 22:18:40 +0000 UTCHave a great break!
Ben Mackenzie
2022-09-04 22:18:34 +0000 UTCEnjoy your break, Todd!
Syl W
2022-09-04 22:18:00 +0000 UTCHave a nice holiday.
Jaszon Alexzander
2022-09-04 22:17:40 +0000 UTC
