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POD 75: Jordan Rubin on the bizarre history of the Federal Analog Act

In this interview I talk with lawyer Jordan S. Rubin about his new book Bizarro, which chronicles the work of two synthetic cannabinoid entrepreneurs who found themselves ensnared in a law so confusing the DEA's own experts can't agree on how it should be interpreted.  

https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520387959/bizarro

http://www.northescambia.com/2020/09/former-escambia-businessmen-sentenced-to-20-years-on-federal-spice-money-laundering-charges

Comments

Hey just finished the book looked up the defendants they are free

E Lee

If the federal analogue act seems insane, then I think you should cover the UKs 2016 psychoactive substances bill. Essentially bans all psychoactive substances and provides a list of exceptions. They have a similar issue to the attempt to define "analogC except now it's defining "Psychoactive".

jacob smith

Thank you ham man

M

The book is really good

Ari Givony

They just made the bizarro book available at my local library and I got it on hold waiting thanks for the recommendation Hamilton

Ari Givony

I wanted to get Jordan's permission first, I just uploaded them.

Hamilton Morris

I only searched for a few minutes but didn’t find it

Hamilton Morris

Really enjoyed this thanks! Its those kinds of questions, the ‘why did the synthetic drug market happen at that time’ that makes Hamilton so interesting, he probes points no one else thinks about which are often so slyly fascinating. Great convo.

Meek

Is there a video somewhere or audio of that 20/20 interview?

Ari Givony

Thank you Hamilton, I'm getting a my monies worth. Thank you for all you do!!

Anthony Sturgell

The UC bookstore has a 40% off coupon MAY40, which brought the cost way below Amazon.

Kevin Bauer

I think there is a state law that describes categorical prohibition of CB1 agonists but I was having trouble finding it, I read the law sometime around 2012

Hamilton Morris

The 2012 FDA act only prohibits cannabinoids of specific structural classes. Although some states have made their own laws including any substance found to be a CB1 agonist.

stormroad

That's the point. People saying use of ketamine by EMTs should be banned because of Elijah Mcclain's death are neglecting to acknowledge the role of police brutality, as if the drug was the only factor in his death. The context in our conversation is the death of Christoph Karl LaDue who died after being violently arrested by police (tased, pepper sprayed, shocked with a stun gun) and his death was attributed to his use of synthetic cannabinoids. Different situations in that one involved forced administration of a drug and the other voluntary use, but in both instances drugs took attention away from police violence.

Hamilton Morris

wtf are you talking about Elijah Mclaine about and comparing him to someone who uses drugs? He was murdered...

Mitchell

Great episode!

Laura

Hella yea brother 💪💪 this is why I'm subbed.

Pisslord42069

Smoking on that defcon 5 total annihilation pack

giticzb

If Congress were replaced by a pack of wild baboons we would have more reasonable public policy and more entertaining TV

giticzb

really enjoyed the lawyer shop talk here, that has always fascinated me

runningfromthemysterymachine

I hate the dea so much it feels me with murderous rage and I’m a hippie

David Constine

Drugs being banned based on what receptor they bind to is really stupid. Almost as stupid as drugs being banned in the first place. This is a great episode. Hamilton, you’re a treasure. Please do a Q&A episode soon, I’m sure you’ve got plenty of time /s

Ryan Campbell

Very interesting

Aidan

Hamilton not forgetting about us this month feels good😭

Salvatore Deschino

Can you post those court documents?

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