About breasts, penises and political correctness.
Added 2021-05-22 12:48:29 +0000 UTCHi Guys.
There are too many strange comments on this and I'm going to give you our reasons for the design Faun.
First of all I want to put things in context. The team of this Patreon is made up of 5 people. All 5 of us are entwined in very long relationships, some of us have children, but all of us have a very open mind. We are no longer fifteen years old, we are adult and thoughtful people.
And by NO means does Lastsword support sexist or degrading behaviors in REAL life.
However, as adults we are tired of the social double standard in many respects. This is a fantasy world, a beautiful magical amazing world, but like all worlds and places it can be cruel, dark, twisted and different. The game has societies that practice racial segregation and even genocide, one little breast appears and people start confusing the fantasy world we create with the real world we live in.
At Last Sword we are sculpting miniatures for a fantasy world. Our ultimate goal is to see our complete vision for the fantasy world come to life. To reach our ultimate goal of bring this world to life we have filled it with many strange and diverse aspects.
This world and aesthitcs we use for our miniatures has a classic look and feel to it. But, it will also be violent, it will have darkness steeped in realism and some parts will be very raw. Many of the societies in this "FANTASY" world could be sexist or even homophobic, if that is the specific lore that is appropriate. I am not sure this matters but to give everyone some context, I am Gay... I am not attracted to the female sex, nor in sexualizing women and certainly not in promoting homophobia.
What we will not do is become close minded, it will hurt the overall theme and feeling of the world. It will dull the world down making it boring and bland, we want to explore as many intersting ideas and paths as we can, nudity is one of them. We will use it when we consider it necessary for the lore of the game. We differentiate between morals in the game world, and in the real world, and we hope that as adults you will be able to do the same.
That said, I'm going to explain yesterday's Faun warrior.
Lets begin with some background. A lot of the civilizations that we are depicting in the game world are sexist or patriarchal. But the Faun is a wood elf and they are a matriarchal society.
We are not being all that original in this aspect, we have based on Celtic mythology, with Titania (Sarthas) and her consort Oberon (Dantae) as a backdrop.
So it is one of the few armies in which we are going to represent a considerable force of women. And the women are going to wear exactly the same type of clothing, armor and weaponry as the men.
In history there are very few women fighting in medieval-ancient settings. Most are nobles taking care of family possessions. They generally wear too much armor to represent a light troop such as dancers.
Researching women warriors, we found some intersting things. In Rome there were many female warriors, that were of Celtic origin. Women did not fight in the regular army they did not have a place, the did however fight as gladiators.
And in a way it was perfect, women were very agile fighters, wearing very little armor, they almost always went into battle bare-breasted or completely nude. Nudity in this case does not serve us any purpose among fauns, it complicates things to have to generate a racial identity and unite them to the elves through clothing.
But fighting bare-chested is interesting on all levels. It makes sense in the type of unit they represent, but more importantly, it makes sense in the society we want to represent. Where women are equal, or even superior, and are not ashamed of any attribute, but display them as a symbol of their social position. This all came together perfectly to represent the Faun miniature, it is realistic, thoughtful and raw. Just what we were looking for. This did not happen on a whim with reckless abandon.
A good friend used to tell me : "there is no sin in things, it is in the eyes that look at them". Every day I subscribe more and more to his thought.
We have made the Faun this way beacause it is part of the world we want to create. We at Last Sword are creators by passion. We are always exploring and pushing the boundaries in so many different ways. It is in our DNA to explore new, exciting and dangerous ways to push our limits while expanding out our miniatures and amazing "FANTASY" world.
I hope you understand what I mean. It is a very complex text, especially when it is not written in your language.
Thank you all very much for reading it.
Oscar López
Art Director of Last Sword Miniatures
Sobre pechos, penes y lo políticamente correcto.
Hola Chicos.
Hay demasiados comentarios al respecto y os voy a dar nuestros motivos. Sera la última vez que lo haga.
Antes de nada quiero poner en contexto las cosas. El equipo de este Patreon lo conforman 5 personas. Las 5 con relaciones de pareja muy largas, algunos con niños, y todos con una mentalidad muy abierta. Ya no somos quinceañeros, somos gente adulta y reflexiva. Y en ningún caso se apoyan desde Lastsword comportamientos machistas o denigrantes en la vida real.
Ahora bien, como personas adultas estamos cansados de la doble moral social a muchos respectos. NO puede ser, que en el juego sean aceptables sociedades que practican la segregación racial e incluso el genocidio, y cada vez que aparece un pecho tengamos un montón de comentarios quejándose.
En Last Sword estamos creando miniaturas para un mundo de fantasía. En estos primeros pasos las miniaturas son elegidas para que puedan encajaros en otros reglamentos, pero el fin último es tener nuestro propio mundo.
Y ese mundo será clásico, en lo que refiere a los planteamientos de la fantasía que nos gusta. Pero también será violento, oscuro y por necesidades de realismo y crudeza muchas de las sociedades que representemos serán machistas u homófobas. Y estas líneas os las escribe un Gay que no tiene ni interés en el sexo femenino, ni en sexualizar las mujeres y desde luego en promover la homofobia.
Lo que no podemos hacer es renunciar a muchos elementos que consideramos interesantes en el entorno de juego o de la escultura. Y la desnudez es uno de ellos. Y lo usaremos cuando consideremos necesario. Nosotros diferenciamos entre la moral en el mundo de juego, y en el mundo real, y esperamos que como adultos seáis capaces de hacer lo mismo.
Dicho esto voy a explicar la guerrera Fauno de ayer.
Para empezar, vamos a hablar un poco de trasfondo. La mayoría de civilizaciones que vamos a representar en el mundo de juego son civilizaciones machistas o patriarcales. Pero concretamente la del elfo Silvanos no lo es. Esta si será Matriarcal
No somos nada originales en ese aspecto y nos hemos basado en la mitología celta, con Titania (Sarthas) y su consorte Oberon (Dantae) como telón de fondo.
Por lo tanto es de los pocos ejércitos en los que vamos a representar una fuerza considerable de mujeres. Y las mujeres van a lucir exactamente el mismo tipo de ropas, armaduras y armamento que los hombres.
En la historia hay muy pocas mujeres que combatan en entornos medievales-antiguos. La mayoría son nobles haciéndose cargo de las posesiones familiares. Generalmente usan demasiada armadura para representar una tropa ligera como los bailarines.
Investigando sobre mujeres guerreros, encontramos la solución que necesitábamos. En Roma si había muchas guerreras. Y encima de origen celta. Pero no en un ejército regular, donde la mujer no tenía cabida. Las mujeres luchaban como gladiadores.
Y en cierto modo era perfecto, porque son combatientes muy agiles, que usan muy poca armadura. Y siempre combatían con los pechos al aire. E incluso desnudas.
La desnudez en este caso no nos sirve a ningún propósito entre los faunos, pues nos complica generar una identidad racial y unirlos a los elfos a través de la ropa.
Pero el combatir con el pecho al aire es interesante a todos los niveles. Tiene sentido en el tipo de unidad que representan, pero más importante, tiene sentido en la sociedad que queremos representar. Donde la mujer es igual o incluso superior y no se avergüenza de ningún atributo, si no que los exhibe como símbolo de su posición social.
La cuadratura perfecta a las necesidades que teníamos para la miniatura. Realista, meditado y crudo. Lo que buscamos. No hay azar ni un antojo.
Un buen amigo me decía que no hay pecado en las cosas, si no en los ojos que miran. Cada día suscribo más su pensamiento.
Dicho esto me gustaría no tener que volver a dar explicaciones a este respecto. Hacemos así las cosas porque son los pasos que nos llevan al juego que queremos construir. Está en el ADN de Last Sword.
Espero que nadie se sienta ofendido con esto.
Oscar López
Art Director of Last Sword Miniatures
Comments
BRAVO
R.C.
2021-05-25 06:55:42 +0000 UTCAgree 👍🏼
Jens Riber Meineche
2021-05-24 05:14:33 +0000 UTCHaha I had to go back and look again because I didn't notice until this post
Sampsonkennedy
2021-05-23 12:23:21 +0000 UTCI don't especially like the model myself for other reasons but when you go to the museum, do you ask for the paintings with bare breasts to be covered? That's called censorship. In my country, we stopped that non-sense centuries ago! Not satisfied with the mini? Don't print it. They are plenty of minis with covered breasts.
François Dumont
2021-05-23 06:38:07 +0000 UTCStand your ground, share your art. People be afraid of some tiddy? lmao
Hexed
2021-05-23 03:24:14 +0000 UTCjajajaj :)
Last Sword Miniatures
2021-05-22 21:53:54 +0000 UTCReally don't care if you are gay, make penises, vagina's or Cyclops boobs... You guys make awesome miniatures. I hate normal woodelves but this faun I loved for it is not like the normal one. Love your style and love your miniatures. Was here from the beginning and not gonna leave even if you make a huge Griffon penis who is gay riding a trans Chimera :P
Adam
2021-05-22 20:56:22 +0000 UTCTonterías, que si se ve el tobillo, el codo , la punta de la nariz y nos ofendemos todos, señores ya somos mayorcitos para ofendernos por cosas tan niñas....
2021-05-22 20:39:26 +0000 UTCEn pleno siglo 21 en esas estamos... Al que no le guste, puede PERFECTAMENTE lijar y pintar pelo por encima que no se va a morir. Hay mujeres guerreras y están empoderadas. Que luego nos ponemos el porno a todas horas
Manel Figueras
2021-05-22 18:31:42 +0000 UTCAnd I agree with the previous comment, in my view from the aesthetic side of the chest and how it is highlighted is not a very beautiful option. From the artistic side. No offense! You are doing really cool things!
Evgeniy Efimenko
2021-05-22 17:45:42 +0000 UTCHello. I am sad to read this text. But in my opinion, a good answer would be, ok we heard, we are working for you, our subscribers and we will make an option where the chest will be covered too. For example. For example, I don't really care who is gay and who is not. What race or gender you are. You make cool models! But different countries have different cultural customs. In my country, bare breasts are a public disorder. Not at all exhibitions I will be able to show your miniature when I paint it, for example. And you say thesis, we are artists - this is how we see the world. So it is, but the next step is, what - you say go and buy from another studio ?! You can have any description of the game world, but miniatures and their printed copies are artifacts of our world. In which we all live. Peace for everyone! :)
Evgeniy Efimenko
2021-05-22 17:41:49 +0000 UTC490 / 5000 Resultados de traducción I have to say that I did not like this miniature at all from the first moment I saw it. It is not just that you are wearing a pair of boobs, it is the face and the whole .. I have seen many sexy and provocative miniatures that I have loved, but this one does not seem like one or the other. I loved Lyall's miniature ... You can always try to cover the bust with a leather cuirass, with which you also fight with great freedom and it is not so unpleasant.
Virtu Cano Sánchez
2021-05-22 17:41:06 +0000 UTCNo breasts, no wig. promise XD
Last Sword Miniatures
2021-05-22 17:33:22 +0000 UTCThey are your miniatures and designs at the end of the day so fuck what others think.
fox pals
2021-05-22 16:52:01 +0000 UTCI don't have an issue with breasts on display, I just think the fauns would look better with a breastplate or armour. Just a design preference for me.
fox pals
2021-05-22 16:50:23 +0000 UTCTo be honest, I didn't even notice the breasts until all this fuss was made..... but than again I am gay haha
David
2021-05-22 16:26:41 +0000 UTCDo what you want, as long as you would'nt put breast on reptile. ;3
trungmi
2021-05-22 16:25:20 +0000 UTCMy first thought! Modeling boobs=hard - covering boobs by modeling cloth=easy
Robert Gaeding
2021-05-22 16:07:59 +0000 UTCI liked your celtic theme from the beginning. If your enemy disregards the dangers of combat so much that he or she shows up naked and hiped is a terrifying image. And in practical terms: modeling realistic looking breasts in 32mm is very hard, covering breasts with green stuff by modeling some coth is quite doable. Thanks for your hard work.
Robert Gaeding
2021-05-22 16:06:05 +0000 UTCIt's a shame that you need to explain yourself. Feel free to express yourself the way you want. If some people are not satisfied/offended then they can stop supporting you.
François Dumont
2021-05-22 15:42:52 +0000 UTCI'm not offended by bare breasts at all, and I applaud artistic freedom - that said, personally, I would still prefer to have the option of a covered variant for aesthetic, thematic and practical reasons. I love the idea of a fully R rated model gallery set in a grim-dark universe, but also I think having a "PG" version for those wanting to use these models around younger family members or in public gaming events is more practical. More options is always good right? But I would never ask you to remove a model for nudity - that's entirely your artistic choice.
Scott Woods
2021-05-22 14:50:56 +0000 UTCAmen, brother! Fascinating how people get upset because of boobs... grow up folks, or get some greenstuff and cover it yourself!
2021-05-22 14:24:49 +0000 UTCUhm, just making it clear, you want me to imagine this guys reaction to this faun? ;) then its good he has things uncovered, coz the armor could be a bit tight here and there:)
Kamil Stolarczyk
2021-05-22 14:20:15 +0000 UTCYes. Imagine the reaction to a fully armored man with his penis out
Jared Danker
2021-05-22 14:18:21 +0000 UTCDistraction tits-nothing new then
Kamil Stolarczyk
2021-05-22 14:15:15 +0000 UTCI think it’s more about it being a fully armored woman with her breasts hanging out. Just my opinion.
Jared Danker
2021-05-22 14:14:18 +0000 UTCThere is another angle to this case-meaning, people now expect you to fulfill their own desires and visions when designing things. They dont understand the fundamental point that this isnt „order your own mini” club. There is a certain vision behind every designer and you either take it as it is /not to give away the right to criticise/ or you can always unsubscribe it and search for a creator who is closer to your own heart. I personally love that lads here are not just „we’lldo nicer gw figures” kind of studio, but have the whole new universum in mind, gradually revealing it to us. Having said that, as a psychologist i can gues why the faun was so controversial. It is the masculin face and pose /lack of well developed hips/ combined with feminin feature such as breasts gives a mam a cognitive discomfort. Just my opinion
Kamil Stolarczyk
2021-05-22 14:05:06 +0000 UTCWell as it came to this, at first I apologize my very badly argumented comment from yesterday. I sincerely though that this teaser wardancer was/is a male! Of course you as an artist have a right and should be true to your vision true. For your fantastic models we follow you and thank you for that! Still as your followers we have our own tastes and preferences and to my eye this particular model has lots of clothing and strangely a huge cap just on the breast area. As a father of two children feel responsibility over my miniatures and what is shown in our vitrine. Breasts are fine, nudity is fine and in this case still this feels a bit weird choice to me in this particular model. Do we really need political correctness or social justice here, aren’t those concepts dividing people enough in other areas? I think for us patreons this is a way to enjoy our life through your amazing miniatures. All in all these are taste preferences and this has been and still is my most waited KS this spring so keep up the good work as you have done! We’re eagerly waiting for wood elves :) Sincerely Mika
Markane
2021-05-22 13:53:03 +0000 UTCAlso, based on your post title I am assuming there are fully armored elves with their penises out in the pipeline.
Jared Danker
2021-05-22 13:39:32 +0000 UTCPart of being a designer is going with your vision even if people don't agree with all of it. Heck how many of us are here just because we don't like some of the design choices and styles of armies from other manufacturers and designers. In the end find your designs, do your styles and stick to your guns as much as you can is what I'd say. PEople will always find something to dislike or such; just as they'll always find things that they really love. That said I think one of the big powers of stl provision over physical models is the opportunity to provide alternatives. This might be one of those cases where you've got your vision for something, but where you can also provide for the vision and desires of your customers with modified versions. A simple sash or covering so that people of both camps can be happy with what they've got. Plus I'd also say don't forget that even the big names - GW for example - have bare chests here and there (Diaz style Deamonettes were all bare chested; Daughters of Khaine have one exposed breast on their bloodwrack and fiends have - er - many exposed.
Overread
2021-05-22 13:31:17 +0000 UTCI didnt even think twice about the breasts to be honest, didn't even notice the outrage either. I'm keen to see more models of the like showing the creative talent of the last sword crew.
Ed Thüringen
2021-05-22 13:30:17 +0000 UTCTodo mi apoyo hacia vosotros, creo que hacéis un trabajo fabuloso y vuestros modelos son impresionantes, seguid siempre así.
German Garcia
2021-05-22 13:27:37 +0000 UTCFor clarification, I don't think people are offended by the bare breasts. It's simply an aesthetic choice many of us don't like. I understand and agree that you guys can and should do whatever you like design wise. Some of just would prefer full clothed or armored figures. Personally I think the breasts being cut away is jarring since the rest of the model is wearing armor. That being said I do like other aspects of the model. The weapon and armor design is very interesting and unique.
Travis Gist
2021-05-22 13:18:22 +0000 UTCThese products exist in our world in a community that generally is not as inclusive of women as it should be. That said, I’m not against things like this being manufactured but I generally don’t support them. Perhaps an alternative sculpt for your fans who like the model but not the nudity would help. Not everyone wants bare breasted women on their painting table.
Jared Danker
2021-05-22 13:18:18 +0000 UTCIf the world was as inclusive and creative as your work we'd all be in a lot better place. Long may your work continue and I look forward to every miniature. Thank you to all
2021-05-22 13:11:08 +0000 UTCas end user we give our opinions. I can understand uour point and you can do whatever you want creatively , but implying people are close minded or not adult for not wanting nudity in a tabletop game, thats a lack of understanding to part of your backers also. Still love your work, not so much the message.
Philippe Tremblay
2021-05-22 13:11:05 +0000 UTCIt is art, it should be free to whatever the artists feels. As observers we can only say if we like or dislike, do not impose your will on how an artist should or shouldn't portray their work. I personally would love to see a full Monty of this mini, to me it just seems natural that he would be armour free, although I do like the ivy leaves on the mini.
Andrew Pryor
2021-05-22 13:07:48 +0000 UTCI would say 4 patreons commenting negative about 1 single model out of 362 patreons is a rather small percentage of your community. Please dont change anything, its your artistic playground, keep it like that.
2021-05-22 13:04:54 +0000 UTC100% This. Patreon is your creative outlet that we are here to support. While creating models for us to enjoy, we are here because we like your style. This one is no different. :)
Blair Fenning
2021-05-22 13:01:58 +0000 UTCBrilliant! Finally someone who fights against the wanton PCness in fantasy.
Jeffrey Ernst
2021-05-22 12:55:34 +0000 UTCThank you for your explanation, but you shouldn’t feel the need to justify as the creator. I love your stuff and immediately recognized Roman elements in your sculpts which I’m all here for. You’re doing great, unique and interesting work, that’s why i stick around each month. Keep it up!
Tyler Hurst
2021-05-22 12:54:11 +0000 UTCLa única pena que me da es que tengáis que dar alguna explicación. No avivaré ni daré ni un minuto de gloria al pielfinismo, por mi parte solo deseo que venga ya Cthulhu y nos vayamos todos a la puta. Dicho lo cual, a mi me flipa la silvana y estoy deseando poder hacerme con lo que tenéis preparado para los amigos del bosque. Un fuerte saludo.
Carlos Manuel Luna Cuenca
2021-05-22 12:53:41 +0000 UTC
