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Adolescence 4 | Full-Length Reaction

Adolescence 4 | Full-Length Reaction

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100% same in this moment. Homie is trying

Franklin

I haven’t seen all the way through yet so I’m hoping I won’t eat my words - but I’m upto where the dad’s van has been vandalized. Seeing his reaction - my heart really hurts for him. He seems like he’s completely underwater trying to stay afloat, everything’s testing his patience and he’s finding himself lashing out. But he catches himself doing it and tries to take it back. I really feel for him :(

Jaimie-Lea Livingstone

Having consumed a bit of British media over time, I've heard people call each other "nonce" plenty, without anything being really behind it, like no actual insult, but usually that is from mates to each other. But there is no real reason for them to imply that about the dad. He's just a working class dad with a temper that takes control of him. You can tell that he truly DOES love his family, he just struggles to keep himself in check. Nothing excuses the behavior but I feel like he is aware that it is something he shouldn't be doing. But he was brought up in the perpetual cycle of tough men toughing it out. So he's really making an effort to break out of that cycle, and he seems to be trying to learn from it, but I think that this episode shows him really getting a big punch on his birthday which pushes him over the edge, and then he is trying to keep it in, and then it just keeps going from bad to worse, and then Jamie calls and makes it more sombre, and... well, they try to make the best of it. And you see his true struggle with it at the end of the episode. It never fails to make me cry.

Eboe Thrasher

Phenomenal reaction, as always. You and so many others in the comments have hit all the major points I would have made about toxic masculinity and how it it hurts EVERYONE — not just women. So I'll just add that if you ever want to branch into reacting to any music (or if you just want to listen for your own enjoyment) the artist at the end of this episode is called Aurora and she's incredible.

Kele Webner

This is a fantastic breakdown of how the toxicity gets put in. I love that you can see that it's not masculinity itself that is the problem, but that toxic indoctrination that actually cuts away men's true caring nature. It's been such a relief watching this show here. Have you seen that video of Dustin Hoffman talking about Tootsie? This is not a spoiler for the movie, but he plays a man who disguises himself as a woman (he's not trans, just in drag), and he talks about doing hair and makeup tests and when they could finally make him look like a woman, he said "Yeah, but make me beautiful", and they said "well, this is as far as we can go, you're a middle aged average looking man and now you look like a middle aged average looking woman...". And he realized that he only saw women for their beauty. He realized that he was an interesting person on the inside, but that he would have never approached a woman who looked like him, even just to talk and have a friendship. "Ugly" women just weren't even people to him. And that he probably had missed out on even getting to know some interesting women, just because he didn't think they were beautiful enough to talk to. That's how it's built! Like you said, if they don't even see some of us as people! Hoffman said making the movie changed him, but my hope for the future is that men don't even learn that dehumanization in the first place.

Lola Lirola

People misunderstand what toxic masculinity means sometimes, they think that it means we're saying masculinity is toxic but that's the opposite of what it means. Masculinity can be about caring about the people around you and being there for your community, building something about of love and being passionate. Toxic masculinity on the other hand is exactly what you talked about, it's about the restrictions men put on themselves that are enforced by society, it eats them from the inside out until they're not allowed to feel anything other than anger. It's so damaging and isolating. They lock other people away, especially women. It creates this homosocial society where they can only ever wanna be mothered by or fuck women, nothing in between, and if a woman can't be either of those then she's worthless and less deserving of respect and even life. Their only friends can be male but the relationship can't be too intimate cause that's gay. It's this prison of a headspace that social media perpetuates to prey on boys and young men to make profit, it's disgusting and I hope that we as a society can begin to talk about this more openly. It's been going on for so long but I feel like we've already reached a breaking point a long time ago. I'm really glad you reacted to this series, you always have such a clear perspective on things like this, it's so refreshing to see your takes. EDIT: I also want to add that the scene in the end had me SOBBING especially since I've been a huge fan of the singer, Aurora, since I was in highschool and her music has helped me through some tough times. I'm lowkey pissed the name of the song and artist isn't mentioned in the subtitles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK6jRNl83tY

Sólveig

This episode makes me appreciate those parents who go out their way to avoid raising their voices in front of the children. It sounds trivial, but watching his parents' dynamic especially when his dad is angry is what leads to Jaime believing he has the right to show that anger in front of women. Like we can see, his father is "alright", but every time there's a problem happens, his wife and the sister literally have no voice. He barely listens to them, and they have to regulate their emotions and the father's to calm the situation. No wonder Jaime can't see a woman except for sex or comfort. He's learnt his mom is only there to make him and his dad comfortable. That's why he barely regards her. That's why when the female psychiatrist stands on her place and takes control, Jaime is mad; that's not a woman supposed to do. I think this is what most parents forget now; that they have to control themselves in front of their children because they'll copy what they're seeing. Those things will be ingrained inside their heads forever. But I'm glad it seems the work works for Jaime. Like, he started to get back to his old hobbie again (drawing) which he might have stopped because he's bullied for it. (boys see drawing as something "gay"). Can admit that he was guilty. And try to connect emotionally again with his father (who is still not emotionally available)

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