Avatar the Last Airbender - S3E16
Added 2023-01-29 09:59:01 +0000 UTCAvatar the Last Airbender - S3E16
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it brings you joy torturing him. The thing is, the bad that happens to him are not related to the incident. he wont regret anything. you just enjoy having him suffer. in other words if it was someone else you pictured as him it would be the exactly same. It all happens in your head only. That makes you not much diffrent from some who tortures animals because their mother was mean to them. They picture the animal they hurt as revenge against those who did them wrong. He can do nothing to redeem himself, because there is no way he can know why things are happening to him. And therefore your revenge is cruel and not just.
Galliad
2023-02-01 12:47:44 +0000 UTC(@Ninja Kuma) Yeah I guess an extra wound or two is in order, why not?
Byakkoya
2023-01-30 03:42:59 +0000 UTCI'm probably the polar opposite in that once I get satisfaction (revenge) I move on and no longer care. In a way I achieve the same closure just via a different means. The only risk I take is receiving payback, but I have learned to do things via proxy now so I am never directly responsible always twice or more removed. Remember the old guy who stabbed me in the back & lied to the cops? Every change he made to the building he calls home has been dismantled, and every little change he would like won't happen until he sits in the cole earth. His home is now "filled with assholes" and he scurries back to his apartment whenever he hears anyone. He no longer walks freely, he no longer can use the CCTV to watch and police people, but rather is now watched by it (well no one actually watchs it, but it records everything) Mind you all this was done via a handful of conversations (which were going to happen anyway) and simply planting a few seeds which turned the entire building against him. It brings a smile to my face each time I block a motion he spends months trying to draft, wasting money on legal advice. Best part is, i would have to vote either way, this just brings satisfaction. Is that so wrong? There's a handful more cases, but I just nuked them and honestly forgot about them up until now. Got a director fired at work, another neighbour left since the noise was unbearable, old guy (mentioned above) has a lady eith ZERO noise proofing on her floor walking above, every footstep with shoes echo's and will probably crash his apartments value even if he tried to sell it, I could go on?
Monokuma
2023-01-30 01:22:17 +0000 UTCCan I at least injury his main arm so he's forced to be reminded daily of it? Just to make it a tad more painful? It'll make gardening that much more painful and remove the one solice he has in life, turning it into another painful reminder. Is that so wrong?
Monokuma
2023-01-30 01:15:04 +0000 UTCI don't disagree - but a quick question, if you don't dedicate your life to revenge (similar to Katara. She goes on a journey with Aang & even learns Waterbending) and the opportunity should arise (again similar to Katara who did not actively seek out the person responsible) whats your opinion of taking a day to travel (like Katara) to those responsible for your suffering? Again, context is everything, and in this scenario its not nearly as costly as in your scenario. Paragon or Renegade?
Monokuma
2023-01-30 01:12:28 +0000 UTCKuma, you say revenge is good because it stops bad people. But in the end, you are not responsible for other people's suffering. You are not the messiah. You are only responsible for your own well being. And for that forgiveness achieves more than revenge. Revenge might give you closure, but it might as well not. It might make things worse. But if you are able to forgive a bad thing in the past, your mind will be free of the pain, which is the ultimate goal of this. If your revenge does not work, you are not able to clean yourself of the negative emotions. If forgiveness does not work, you will still be able to get your revenge. 2 headed ratviper, remember? There is value in Aangs philosophy. If you want to torture him, tell him you will come back at some point to kill him in the most violent way he can imagine. then give him a few cuts all over his body and leave. He will fear what you are going to do for a long time.
Galliad
2023-01-30 00:47:08 +0000 UTCUltimately Katara handled this situation much the same way I would have. I remember back during the Jujutsu Kaisen reactions when we talked about shitty people and bullies and stuff and my general mentality was “if they’re an unrepentant shitty person then fuck them up”, this situation is a pretty different from that. Not only is this guy clearly remorseful for his actions but think about the life he has now. He’s past his prime, he has none of the so called glory of his past achievements that he probably once justified as “I did it for mah countreh”, he’s stuck with family that doesn’t care for him or love him in any way. At this point killing him would be letting him take the easy way out. I don’t believe in exacting revenge one the remorseful, but if you absolutely have to get back at this guy then reminding him of his past crimes and leaving him to his pitiful existence is punishment enough. This hollow shell of a man will live the remainder of his years in misery, you don’t need revenge and you don’t need to forgive him either, in a sick sort of way he’s already being punished for what he’s done. No need to get our hands dirty at this point.
Byakkoya
2023-01-29 16:40:01 +0000 UTCWell said. :D
Byakkoya
2023-01-29 14:26:54 +0000 UTCa lot can be said about revenge and its pros and cons, depending on you philosophical stand on the matter. as for me, i think my views on the matter can be summed up in two words: hakuna matata*. the reason why many people, including I, advocate for forgiveness over revenge is how revenge ultimately affects you. it's not that those who wronged you deserve to be forgiven, it's that you deserve peace. let's take a similar approach like the one we see with katara here. someone kills your mother and you never see them again. at this point you can either a.) dedicated your entire life to get revenge and spent every moment of your life thinking about them while life passes you by or b.) let go, move on and live a fulfilling life. what is that? someone wanted to reach out to you and make friends and help you? nope, to busy thinking about revenge. no time for that. you are given the opportunity to go to school and learn a skill that will help you earn a living for yourself in the future? nope, too busy sitting at home all day and brooding over ways to kill someone. guess i'll end up living in poverty and leeching off of others to survive. you are invited by someone to a date, which eventually will lead you into marrying them and having a family on your own? nah, too busy thinking about revenge to waste my time on that. ultimately all revenge does is ruin your own life, while at the same time not really doing much for you. sure, you can get your revenge, and maybe you'll even feel better for a day or two, but that won't bring your family back, nor all the time you wasted on that person, which you could have used instead to improve your own life. now of course i'm not trying to say you just shouldn't do anything if someone continues to harm others and it's in your ability to stop them. but if that isn't the case, what is it you truly get out of revenge? a few short minutes - hours at best - of gratification in exchange for a lifetime wasted. PS: also damn, katara, that was a really cold thing to say. to accuse sokka of not loving his mom, simply because he tries to reason with you and won't blindly indulge your selfish desires? yeah, no wonder you're at the bottom of my favourite list.) *PPS: it baffles me that people still don't get what hakuna matata actually means. it's not about running away from the past and not dealing with the consequences of your actions, it's made very clear that that's simply a misinterpretation of its meaning, but it's about not living in the past and letting the past dictate your current life. don't just sit at home all day and speculate on the what ifs and could have beens of events that have already happened. let the past behind you, where it belongs, and instead go out there, learn from your mistakes, and create a better future for yourself.
JHow
2023-01-29 13:31:52 +0000 UTC
