Interesting. But my impression is that the Puppeteers' evolutionary history is pretty well understood: they're descended from herd herbivores.
Niven played fast and loose with evolution already, saying that humans are descended from Pak - despite us obviously being related to all the other terrestrial animals.
BTW, have you read the Fleet of Worlds series? I thought Niven lost his edge after Ringworld Engineers. But Fleet of Worlds is a great, newer Known Space series co-written with Edward Lerner.
Bob Alexander
2023-11-13 13:13:55 +0000 UTC
Though Larry Niven has officially nixed the idea, it seems logical to me that the Tnuctipun, an etremely intelligent race telepathically enslaved by the Thrint, evolved to become the Puppeteers.
The Tnuctipun were given more freedom than other sentients because they were the creators of most of the Thrint's technology, and they used that freedom to create devices and other biological entities to undermine the Thrint stranglehold. In the end the Thrint used a mind control amplifier to kill all sentient life in the universe that wasn't protected in a stasis field.
The Puppeteers, unlike the Tnuctipun, are overly cautious, and don't really allow outsiders on their homeworld. They are as smart, if not smarter, then the Tnuctipun. (When it was discovered that the galactic core was exploding, they were able to move their entire planetary system to escape.)
My reasoning is, the Tnuctipun were aware that the Thrint were going to kill everything, and managed to secrete themselves enough to escape the worst of the attack, but not without some side effects, mainly, losing their more aggressive nature, and becoming conflict avoiders, and eventually evolved, either naturally, or by choice, into the Puppeteers. (The original Tnuctipun/Thrint war happened billions of years before humans came on the scene.)
Jon Benson
2023-11-12 23:32:57 +0000 UTC
I’ve got some ideas for a better finale for Smallville. I mean, I could hardly do worse than they did.
VGR
2023-11-12 23:10:16 +0000 UTC
If you're of a certain age you remember the 1960's TV series "The Fugitive" where Richard Kimble (David Janssen) escaped on way to the "death house" for murdering his wife & spent 4 seasons searching for the "one-armed man" who actually killed her, while pursued by a police detective obsessed with capturing him
In the final episode (highest-rated regular TV episode ever at the time), the detective helps clear Kimble, who shakes his hand at episode's end. In my version, the detective takes a bullet fired by the killer at Kimble, saving his life at the expense of his own, and whispers his dying words to Kimble, "I'm sorry." (Either that, or Kimble simply slugs the detective insead of shaking his hand.)
JoeStrike
2023-11-12 00:44:22 +0000 UTC
I like your version better.
JoeStrike
2023-11-12 00:35:09 +0000 UTC
Before “The Mandalorian” proved me wrong, I liked to think Yoda was a human altered by centuries of using the Force.