What on Earth Is Happening in the Young Thug Trial?
Added 2024-06-24 08:44:24 +0000 UTCOA1044
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has used Georgia’s RICO statute against everyone from public school teachers to environmental protesters to a former President of the United States. This week we examine Willis's massive 88-page RICO indictment of rapper Young Thug and 27 other associates of YSL, the Atlanta record label which her office alleges is also operating as a violent street gang. Matt shakes his geriatric millennial first at the scourge of mumble rap before breaking down what has already become the longest criminal trial in Georgia history and the injustice of prosecutors using an artist’s lyrics against them in court.
Finally, we break down this month’s most listener-requested story: judge Ural Glanville’s inexplicable decision not only to secretly meet with a prosecutor and one of the state’s most important witnesses without defense counsel present, but to sentence Young Thug’s attorney to 20 days in jail simply for noticing that he wasn’t supposed to. What is going on here, and could there possibly be a good explanation for it?
Young Thug’s NPR Tiny Desk Concert (7/27/2021)
GA Code Rule 2.9 - Assuring Fair Hearings and Averting Ex Parte Communications
Comments
Abaolutely stellar ep! I loved the bit where Thomas said he'd rather die than write the essay and Matt said he'd love to write the essay. Matt.... I relate so much. It's so fun to hear a kindred spirit 😅 Anyway I expected this ep to be crazy after my husband listened first and said it was wild...but it's even more wild than I expected. Jailing a defense attorney!?!?!?!? What the everything heck!?
Jess C
2024-06-28 02:10:26 +0000 UTCIt's the name of one of my favorite characters in the Hunger Games too.
Maytree
2024-06-27 17:32:40 +0000 UTC>Tell me how you found out >I will tell you how I found out when I see your signature on an order recusing yourself from this case. And this is what this case is about now. I'm going to bring up this motion every single moment I have to speak until you recuse yourself. Until you recuse yourself, you don't get to know.
Valendr0s
2024-06-27 03:07:10 +0000 UTCI think worth noting on why Georgia pursues so many RICO claims is that they get those funds.
Navi Girl
2024-06-26 16:12:28 +0000 UTCcinna is an excellent rap name
lauren
2024-06-26 10:04:46 +0000 UTCAh right you are, thanks, I fixed it.
Maytree
2024-06-26 04:57:11 +0000 UTC(Apologies for the language. I forgot this wasn't a swear-y podcast and - in my limited defense - my father was a truckdriver).
Katie Herrmann
2024-06-26 03:49:45 +0000 UTCGood question! Last I heard there was a mistrial (some time ago now), when the jury couldn't come to a unanimous verdict. I've heard very little about the retrial: just some bits and pieces about law enforcement fuckery, replacement of prosecutors, and use of lyrics at trial. He's been in jail for at least 5 years now.
Katie Herrmann
2024-06-26 03:44:28 +0000 UTCYikes. Talk about wrong place/wrong time/(wrong name?) And psst: the host you are referring to is named Thomas. 😉
Katie Herrmann
2024-06-26 03:32:22 +0000 UTCP.S. My experience on the criminal side of things is very limited (I prosecuted some infractions/ordinance violations as a baby lawyer and now occasionally assist with post-conviction relief). But the ex parte meeting described as happening here defies explanation, as far as I know. And the judge coming down on defense counsel for having received the notice they are entitled to (assuming some kind of cause existed) late, and after the fact? What a mess.
Katie Herrmann
2024-06-26 03:27:06 +0000 UTCFulton County Jail is an abyssmal place to put any human being. It is worth pointing out, I think, that it is not a prison. It is used to house - in large part - pretrial detainees. These are folks who have not been convicted of a crime, but are awaiting trial on criminal charges. Some of the stories I've heard come out of there are akin to complaints I've heard/litigated regarding Red Onion - a supermax prison here in Virginia. It's a toss-up as to whether the A/C even works. In a jail. In Georgia. Let alone the violence, overcrowding, and serial use of excessive force you'll find there. Ten people died in Fulton County jail in 2023. Props to the defense counsel for asking to serve out his weekender sentence for contempt alongside his client (truly some king shit). It feels bad to think of any person spending any time there. That facility just shouldn't exist anymore. Full stop.
Katie Herrmann
2024-06-26 03:11:31 +0000 UTCThe only part of the trial I’ve seen is the prosecution lady reading the lyrics and her voice is so powerful it sounds like she herself is the rapper
Austin Enverba
2024-06-25 11:36:28 +0000 UTCDOWN WITH MATT! DOWN WITH MATT!
No name
2024-06-25 04:14:04 +0000 UTCCan't wait for Young Thug's diss track of Matt. "Imma beat his lawyer ass til he's moribund. Cause only punk ass bitches write in garamond. Mumble mumble."
Gmork
2024-06-25 02:41:14 +0000 UTCOooo some sneak peeks of a future deep dive! 🤐
Lydia Smith
2024-06-25 00:53:04 +0000 UTCHilarious! "Come get me, walking down the hall...ok you got me, aw damn chill!" Fantastic.
Quick update, Ovechkin is only 26 goals from The Record
2024-06-24 17:51:53 +0000 UTCI’d love to hear Matt’s take on the Karen Read trial.
Lisa S
2024-06-24 17:48:26 +0000 UTCThomas jokes about being an innocent guy named Spartacus, but that exact scenario happened at the funeral of Julius Caesar, where people were rioting against his assassins and lynched a man named Cinna because Cinna was one of the conspirators except it was the wrong guy and he was just a poet coincidentally also named Cinna. Oops.
Maytree
2024-06-24 17:43:50 +0000 UTCEverything is left/right, dems /republicans, all good or all bad. And along comes OA giving us nuance. Oh and teaches us that it’s not about good and evil cause this isn’t a religion. We’re going to have to go deeper. Love it!
KeepingThePlatesSpinning
2024-06-24 16:50:33 +0000 UTCTo put a finer point on the ex parte issue: is the existence of an ex parte meeting usually withheld from the other side? The judge here seems upset that the defense council even knew the meeting existed, regardless of whether the lawyer learned about what was said.
Why do podcasters say moron that later
2024-06-24 14:45:26 +0000 UTCIntroducing lyrics about shellfish allergies would violate HIPPA.
Gmork
2024-06-24 13:53:44 +0000 UTCCounterpoint to everything in this episode (Key and Peele): https://youtu.be/14WE3A0PwVs?si=bmgtDPRV8gdL4J37
Matt Barber
2024-06-24 12:36:22 +0000 UTCFor anyone who wants some good coverage of what cop city is from an on the ground there leftist perspective, Robert Evans and company did a number of good episodes on it back in March on the podcast It Could Happen Here with a bunch of local protestors as guests.
Mothringer
2024-06-24 09:40:39 +0000 UTCMelly update in Florida?
Marshall Kuhlman
2024-06-24 09:02:57 +0000 UTC
