Case 300: Tegan Lane (Part 2/2)

'Beyond reasonable doubt' is a difficult burden of proof when there's no body, but the prosecution must prove there's no other reasonable explanation for the disappearance of the baby. Personally, I agree there is no other reasonable explanation given her continuious lies, the fact she had such a limited window of time to hand the baby over legitimately, and the exhaustive, fruitless search for the dad/baby. I agree that on the evidence no other 'reasonable' conclusion can be drawn.

Ruth Elizabeth

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Sarah

Not my favorite episode— writing and storytelling were excellent, I just hate unresolved cases. Funny thing is, this one kept my fiancé, who’s not much of a true crime content consumer, up at night. It’s been a week and he can’t stop bringing it up.

Kayla

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Elly Yarali

No.

AR

Proving the truth in this case seems to be impossible. That doesn't mean the defense failed. It's actually really common for defenses to present no actual defense beyond "the prosecution hasn't proven its case." If there was ever a case where that defense approach was valid, it must be this one.

AR

Q from a non-Aussie: Is it relatively normal to refer to your kid as "the second child", or "the baby" instead of by name?

Cat Warren

I really dislike this woman but even I think her sentence has been extreme and undeserving. Compare this outcome to the case of Matthew Leveson or Niamh Maye… what the heck!

J. Chips

And I get that BUT I think the defense did a disservice to the case by sitting there and saying "the prosecution has nothing" instead of putting up any true defense. It's not like this was the first no body case and effective defenses have always been able to put up reasonable alternatives. This counsel just sat back and rolled the dice on whether there was enough circumstantial evidence to convict. So I think the defense team was ineffectual and could have done more.

Demi

That's just a fascist race to the bottom.

Michael Brodie

The defence has no onus to prove anything. Nada

Michael Brodie

Clearly her form of contraception wasn't working. This girl was extremely immature and irresponsible. I hope her babies that were adopted have happy fulfilling lives.

Michelle Kimball

Wow! This must give you chills!

Michelle Kimball

Well said, Michael! These cases that evoke so much emotion with prosecutors wanting to make career advances = public wanting punishment- evidence be damned

Jennifer L

This was either proven beyond a reasonable doubt or her defense team was so ineffective as to not follow-up on the most crucial point: to prove she didn't kill her daughter, they needed to find Tegan or Andrew. I get that the defense doesn't have the burden of proof but when the circumstantial evidence in a no body case is that high, the only good defense is proving the truth, like the Chamberlains were ultimately able to do.

Demi

Reminds me a bit of the kerry babys cases in Ireland

Marie Gough

great breakdown on a polarising case, I do think she did kill her daughter. It will be interesting what everyone other than Aussies think

Rissi Watson

Yes I never said there wasn’t more evidence but there was no smoking gun. No cctv evidence and still lots of questions around the case especially when it came to the negligence of the hospital.

Elisha

There was a great deal more evidence in the Letby case.

Parrots Liz

Do you think that Kelly should be executed in circumstances where there is no actual evidence she harmed the baby?

Parrots Liz

This was covered in the episode

Parrots Liz

Especially as she had a daughter whom she had kept and bonded with. It's destroyed her life, also. Definitely a weird case, and something smells fishy, but I can't believe it passed the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' test. The fact that they decided to take a majority vote proves there was doubt.

Sam Tirrell

Agreed. that seems like the most likely scenario. certainly a crime, but not the murder she was charged with. What a depressing case

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Dawn E

As an Australian, I truly can't understand how we don't have the death penalty in this place. Our incarcerated are more well treated than our old age pensioners, it's disgusting.

Alex May

This kind of makes me think of the Lucy Letby case in the UK recently. They had no smoking gun but she was convicted. Would love to see casefile cover that case too. Thanks again Casey!

Elisha

Australia's Casey Anthony.

Vanessa Allen

That house is Gladesville was mine at the time . I remember when the police came and taped up the house and excavated. Though they didn't come inside or look in the roof. I had bought the house with my two sisters and we lived there together. We had to pack our things and stay at our parents place for few weeks. They had brought over a French special excavator and dug up our backyard. It felt surreal.

Gigi Engstrom

This reminds me so much of the disappearances of both Kyron Hormon and Sky Metalwala, two cases with an eerily similar total lack of evidence and a very tight-lipped mother/stepmother. Except those cases are in the U.S., and there's been no attempt at prosecution in either one. I'm not sure how to feel about that because i would love to see prosecutions in both cases, but I'm struggling to see anything but reasonable doubt in this one. (I could have sworn Casefile did Kyron Horman but it's not coming up for me on Google! Which was the episode where Casey did the ridealong with Paul Holes?? Oh wait lol that was EARONS, of course.) In any case, another stellar two-parter and nuanced handling of a huge case. Great job, gang.

AR

The prosecution was a case of immaculate deception.

Michael Brodie

Same. My personal view is she abandoned the baby someplace remote to die, before going to the wedding. But I do not see how we could claim this is known beyond reasonable doubt.

TheodoraTheExplorer

Can you do the case of Operation Forest Strip. It's of a Russian serial killer who killed over 58 citizens. He outdid any American killer ted Bundy's, but, or eu Moores couple murders. Truly criminal did a 58 minute YouTube, podcast on it this year, but I think it be a great 8, 12 part episode for ya.

Sage Pirotess

Meh, no body, no existence. And a women who can't accept accountable. Not saying she killed the baby. But she knows something. Yet denies her babies existence.

Sage Pirotess

Say what you will about her guilt, but a man would never have been convicted on such flimsy “evidence.” I’ve seen countless cases of probable femicide where they don’t even prosecute bc there’s no body

Luma61

Give her the chair.

Green Thumb

I tried to express the same idea in part 1, and I had someone respond "She’s been convicted which is why she is in jail. So yes we can assume she is guilty." Such people must be new to these shows. How could anyone be so naive.

Bob Trenwith

❤️oh thank you CF.. Yet another truly sublime piece of storytelling.. like wtf happened? Anyway thanks you guys, my love and obsession with your crime style is borderline cringey btw lol 🫨🥇

Shannon Walker

Whilst I don't necessarily believe she's innocent, I feel like this is a clear case where it was not proven '...beyond a reasonable doubt' that she killed her child. We can't convict people because we think they might have.

Sam Tirrell

Could you possibly cover the case of Sally Clark. In case you are worried about explaining the maths involved (which is the main point of the case), I believe I can help you to get that point across.

Bob Trenwith