Is a Cow Girl's Udder SFW?

Genital parts is explicit but breasts & udders is questionable ðen yeah its sfw

Anders Danielsen

I say SWF as for the pure and simple fact that we do not cover the "real" cows udders in the game why the hell should we bat an eye lash at Marion's other then well she is a shy and modest girl and tend to dress as such which is totally up to her you don't see Jess sportin and extra bra or two for the extra nipps she sprouts more over Marion's udder covers he lady bits so it really isn't showing anything explicit just my opinion on the matter SFW for sure then again i feel a lady has a right to bare some breast specially if she be producing milk which Marion does quite a bit actually

Chau-ta-u-auch-ca Rollings

Cool !

It’s really fascinating, isn’t it? Such a fantastic divide all on logical points. And the general consensus seems to have been a giant “hmmmm” lol

Raxynus

I'm seriously amazed at how much discussion this topic prompted, I've never seen seen this much engagement-- and I never would have expected the poll would be so even, either!

Little Napoleon

Oh to be clear we'll not be removing any udder content, this is strictly to determine whether or not they would be visible in the optional SFW mode! To your questions, her breasts will get larger but the number of nipples will stay the same, and her udder will be a separate TF component. As for whether there will be milk, well, she is a cow... :3

Little Napoleon

I'm still baffled that the topic is more for public reaction rather than facts. Just because there are few crybabies who would destroy something that they feel uncomfortable just so that they feel better about it, and we as a group, lose out because of 1 or 2 that shot down everything that was put in. I would say SFW as it would be back then, but there are those who don't want to see something 'offensive' that shows gender or parts of anatomy that they feel uncomfortable to even know about. So to play nice, the safe zone for playing is the SFW, everything else is in the NSFW, which is unfortunately, where I have to place the udders. Which is sad. On another note, will she have quad nipples on her breasts during transformation? Then shift and morph into udders on her crotch? And will she lactate in any of the stages?

Shadow

Like Cow and Chicken from cartoon network right?

Shadow

Man, I’m surprised how close the poll is about this. Not about the topic but because of how active it is. Been apart of too many places where the polls just have a few followers respond, so you are all supper awesome for being so active!

Raxynus

Hehhh... Sadly, as much as I wish I could say 'SFW', I fear that- in today's society- ''udders'' would be seen as breasts-like (particularly on a female/antro-female), and so would be considered 'NSFW'. Dumb society, I know.

Nova25

This is a tough one; cows udders are considered common to be seen by the population just because of how we use them as a source of milk. Technically, they serve the same purpose as a women’s breast when she’s feeding a baby. On the other hand, we tend to also have that kind of organ on a cow shown as it’s just something we are used to seeing at all times. Cartoons in every kind of context usually don’t hide them as breast and keep them to indicate the cow as being a cow. I’m making this as NSFW because of how we, as a culture, are showing the udder as being something to cover up more and more. Take it as an example of what Disney does for Clarabell Cow; her udders were always on display till pretty recently, so it’s safe to assume that they consider them a kind of sexual organ for a cow person. That’s a huge difference from the past where she would use her udders to heat people up!

Raxynus

I think as tf fans our response to this sort of thing is muted down. We don't think anything particularly strange about characters with animal ears, faces, tails, horns, or udders. When considering SFW/NSFW I try to think how someone else might react. My boss for example, is a beer-loving Manchester City fan with few other interests in his life and no interest in very much outside this. He doesn't even have an _awareness_ of fantasy and if I asked him what a furry was, he'd probably assume it was some sort of clothing. I can't imagine his reaction to a girl with udders: I'm pretty sure he'd find it quite perverted. The context wouldn't even matter.

Destrier

I think they are producing a sfw version so they can advertise/sell the completed product on a wider range of platforms.

Shorewood

Fwiw, I understand the idea of the sfw version isn't really so much about playing a game like this at work, but as it's definitely a fetish thing to me there's no such thing as a sfw version. I can't imagine a workplace where you'd feel comfortable playing a fetish dating sim other than if you happened to work an IT job with other furries and even then not at work, you know? I find that concpet of just you know, let me whip out my very specific fetish in the workplace and now you all have to know this information about me idea fascinating. I wonder if anybody would actually play something like this at work? Maybe I'm just self conscious but I feel like even if everybody in a tf piece is clothed it's still obvious most of the time to me that it's meant to be sexual, but I wonder how much of the visual language of fetish art translates to people who don't engage with it often?

Kassie

I voted NSFW, because I feel like if you were actually playing a game like this in public (strange thought tbh, but that's what sfw means to me because I still hold is it safe for an actual workplace as the standard, I feel like a cow-girl in a swimsuit would definitely be taken as fetishy. I agree with other commenters that the context is important, and would add that it really depends on the "gaze" for me. Wat's art tends to be sexualized looking even when the character's are mostly clothed (kind of the point) but I guess what I mean is that it's like the difference between how a magical girl anime that's actually aimed at girls frames the transformation sequence versus the ones that are trying to draw in horny adult men. If you draw her udders all shiny and suggestive, then it's NSFW, but if they're just, you know, cartoon udders then they're not. This isn't a judgement from me, I'm here for the NSFW, I just don't know how else to articulate this.

Kassie

I’d have to disagree on teet migration. The most concrete thing we have to base physical transformation on is evolution and if you go back in our tree you’ll run into rabbits and mice before you‘ll find a horse or a cow. If anything, Jessie should be the model for our midpoint with a row of breasts developing before the emphasis shifts from the top pair to the bottom quartet.

Honestly, this is my main concern with this as well. If we vote that exposed udder is NSFW, will all “normal” scenes with Marion having her udder exposed-such as just walking around or chatting with her-be censored? I’m aware of the NSFW version of Changeling Tale, but I’m unclear as to whether or not voting for NSFW will remove Marion’s udder from all non-sexual scenes even in the NSFW version. The way the question was worded leaves me unsure.

Darkwalker

I would also say I'm a fan of the quarto-breasts but suspect the udders are part of the character concept. As for NSFW or SFW I'd say it depends a lot on the situation but more than likely considered NSFW.

Aaron Cardarelli

I think you should censor the udders case-by-case instead of wholesale. I think more people would be disappointed they don't get to see the udders without the sex than being forced to see the udders at all. For that reason, my vote is SFW.

Lonely TFL

I mean from a old cartoon show it showed a cow girl like literally a cow udder so I say It is fine to call it Sfw in a way, there has been shows that shows kinda anthromorphic cows in a way with udders and all but i guess it depends how it is exposed to consider it as Sfw or Nsfw

Rose D Winters

If it's in a completely non-sexual context, is a cow girl's exposed udder safe for work? yes says i, yes now and always.

Isac Arellano

The SFW option is for people who want to play a SFW transformation dating game. With that very specific context I would argue that most folks who would be interested in the cow route would not be bothered by udders - those just come with the territory when dealing with cows.

Damo

Context is everything.

Damo

SFW!

Offshore - Adult Games Developer

The context is what will make it NSFW. So in a romance game and on an anthro character imo they are the same as nipples. Which will be nsfw as soon as they are exposed or engaged with as such. While they may remain SFW if it was say a nude person swimming in the lake, where nudity would be "normal".

Kullax

while it might TECHNICALLY not be nsfw, since it can be interpreted to be nsfw since she's exposing a part of her that'd be under clothes, I'd say it's not okay. (can't wait to enjoy all the nsfw goodness)

Kole

Like most borderline cases in the SFW/NSFW divide, I'd err on the side of caution and put this in the "technically not nudity but you still wouldn't want your boss to find you looking at it" category. (Though obviously I'd look at it in other contexts, since udders, like Marion, are adorable.)

Chrysalis

Though you aren't wrong, I'm an udder supporter.

GREG STEELE

I take this moment to plead the case of anatomical realism (acknowledging that any true TF challenges realism). Cows have four functional teats NOT six. The best tf would be for Marion to experience a doubleing of her breasts. (developing second nipples and then dividing) before final transformation migrates them to quadruped-friendly position. A level of realism that may be a bit to far most of her fans: Marion has never been pregnant (?), ergo is a heifer. Her breasts could double, but flatten, pending breeding. Most TF artist assume their audience consists of bottle-fed young males. -just saying

Hans Niemand

It is an interesting question. I would say weather or not it is SFW is highly dependent on context. If it is used most often in a sexual or erotic context it is probably NSFW. (e.g. Breasts- there is nothing inherently more sexual about a breast than your mouth but we cover one and don't cover the other in western society) If it is used exclusively as a narrative or story telling device it is probably SFW. (e.g. "Cow and Chicken" the cartoon) I'm certain we can dive into a long discussion about why some things are sexualized and/or arousing and/or made prudish and others are not but that's probably too much for this problem. In Marion's case I suspect we will be observing her organ in a sexual context and therefore it's NSFW.

Fr0g

I think of it as safe. Period

Cedric L.

You know, Marion. It is pretty much between a hit or miss at this moment. While some saw it as normal and not at all sexual, others think of it as different. I for one think of it as safe for work and in no ways at all you should be shy about it.

Cedric L.

... huh, that is a really interesting question – this is clearly about the context, because the exact same udder on anything less anthropmorphised then a cow-girl (including a cow-girl that has turned full feral) is obviously SFW. I would personally lean SFW but I could see the context making it so questionable that (ironically) the safe thing to do would be to lean NSFW just to be safe. But really the correct answer is obviously to go ask Mr. Owl, though he usually solves things by trying to lick them and he is known to bite, so that might not sit well with Marion: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6rHeD5x2tI&feature=youtu.be&t=36" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6rHeD5x2tI&feature=youtu.be&t=36</a>

Cischiral

You know, the things I have heard sitting in this chair...

Spotts1701

If you have to ask, it's probably NSFW.

Fox Face

Ow. My brain.

Lumination

Correct, it's all dependent on context

Phuriousgeorge

The udder is seen in children's cartoons. I guess it would depend on the rest of the scene and the context surrounding it, but an udder itself, even on an anthro, is SFW in my eyes.

The two ways I look at it are physically and socially. Physically, a cows udder (while not concealed) is tucked under it’s body and between it’s legs. With Marion on two legs it’s pushed forward drawing attention to it. Socially, Marion is shy about it. This also applies to her ears and hooves, but if she would feel special discomfort at attention being directed between her legs, it should be considered NSFW.

It's hard to say, but if I was to play this at my workplace, I wouldn't want to take the chance. So that pushes it over to NSFW for me.

Giza White Mage

Probably can't get away with it due to the style of the artwork. The characters aren't cartoon-y enough to brush aside nudity. Unfortunately you're going to have to wait until you get home to enjoy those features.

ComicTF

I consider the udder SFW, it's not as if they're completely hidden on real life cows. In fact, they're a defining feature!

Pheagle

This ...... is a tough one to call. Udders are a female sexual characteristic, but are not seen as offensive by the majority of the population. We do get our milk from cow udders after all. On the other hand we have a woman who is changing into a cow, and udders for bovines are located toward the hips/crotch area. I say play it safe just to be sure. Go for NSFW.

Tmothy B. Ross

None of those examples are as well drawn as Marion... nor are they attached to said beauty.

Shorewood

Barnyard got away with exposed udders. So did rocko's modern life and cow and chicken.

Blitz Gamer

On a real note though, if it's intended as something errogenous in any way to the character that may be considered NSFW

CADAMAN

Think of it like this. Would you be ok with your boss or family seeing you play this game, with the udder exposed. I guarantee you the large majority of adult's first thoughts will be "Is that a fetish thing?" I'm not talking about a "fun boss" either, NSFW has to apply to a professional work environment. That's the whole purpose of the tag.

KangasaurusRex

I want to say it depend... If it's for intimate scene, I think you should go swf, but for times when she will just walk in town, talk with Malcom about weather or other... no. Depend of the moment. But for coherence, maybe nsfw (because "hey, now it's here, now it disappear, magiiiiiiiiic", it's not that great).

Lord Lorac

Technically, it's both. While an udder is a completely non-sexual organ, it is treated by some with....differing imaginations, as a secondary sexual characteristic....much like a human breast. So while innocent enough to be seen as normal, it would probably be safest to put it as nsfw.

Russell Thorne

Your job definitely isnt one of the more common ones :p

Sabrith Ebonclaw

Better question, are a cow girl's udders sexy? If yes nsfw. If no, sfw. (Hint the answer is yes)

Kazard

My boss was very happy when I presented him with Marion udders :V

Wat

Look at it this way. If you played it at work and your boss saw the udder, does he give a disapproving glance, or are you going to HR and/or pink slipped at 95% of jobs? If the latter, its NSFW.

Sabrith Ebonclaw

Better safe than sorry. NSFW

Saradi

Not gonna lie. Seeing this got me thinking I was gonna see a new sneak peek of the lovely cowgirl lol. Oh well, I'm sure it'll be worth the wait. :)

CADAMAN

While I still say NSFW for out of context reasons, I do not believe that they should be completely removed either. Everyone expects a cow to have udders, so -if- it goes that far, I would expect a fully formed cow, udders included because it's only an animal.

Shado Urufu

Makes sense. Legal problems are something nobody wants for themselves.

Rhawkas

I'd say NSFW just to err on the side of caution. In her case, having her udder out is basically the same as going around with her breasts uncovered.

Rhawkas

I think it's NSFW.

Nekonomicon

My rule of thumb in the office: When considering NSFW, the answer is always "If you have to question, it's NSFW." Saves you legal problems later.

Per the discord chat, on a humanoid character and in the context of the modern world and putting an image showing her udder on a game sale website like Steam, I would mark it NSFW just to be safe. For the context of the game, and her walking around having to cover her udder for some sake of propriety and social normality in the gameworld, I would say its SFW and people around her would understand and give her some leeway for what she's going through (IE: its a fetish game, show us the fetish :P).

Considering this game is aimed at furries I'll consider it sfw

jpgreen

It may be, considering it is a mammary on an anthro humanoid Character... but that’s a tough one, since you wouldn’t censor an udder on a non humanoid...

Stitch-Nose

100% depends on context. If it's there with NO skin showing where it's attached and there is nothing sexual about its presentation, I think it can be perfectly SFW. (I sound like a tumblr rep)

KDhynamo

Perhaps modesty would be better in this case and not revealing her udders. Folks with a fetish for bovine gals would find them a turn on regardless. So I would say NSFW.

Pyde Piper