Isn't there an audio book of another monster somewhere?
fionan franklin
2026-02-04 03:26:21 +0000 UTC
I do think his care for wim is genuine, which angers those even more know he was capable of this behavior and not what he had been doing a large part of his life .
fionan franklin
2026-02-04 03:25:40 +0000 UTC
I had written this to post it only here, but I figured I'd post it on Reddit too:
Disclaimer: Some readers well-acquainted with LLMs may predict, falsely, that this was written by an LLM due to some overlapping stylistic patterns, but I assure you this was written fully by me without any external help. Please remember that all these patterns predate LLMs, and that LLMs were trained on them.
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Bonaparta's pensive repentance and acceptance of what he has done seem at once repulsive and admirable; instead of inviting clemency, this very rare—almost abnormal—surrendering arouses more anger than if he instead acted normally.
The victim is left feeling something like, "What am I to do with all this pain, this sadness, this anger?"
When the very person responsible for that pain appears to the victim in the form of a frail old man who does not resort to retorts, takes everything on the chin, and welcomes it, there is a certain violence in there that would be clearly repugnant and putrid if only it weren't unseen. He defuses the victim, essentially robbing them of their anger. The victim realizes something is wrong but can never couch it in the right terms. Their anger is now contaminated with shame which shouldn't be theirs, because some part of their mind interprets their lashing out as cruel.
Though I think Bonaparta's behavioral display of that repentant nature is not as admirable as his words may lead you to believe, and that very discrepancy might be the greater cause of the anger. He says he has been waiting for punishment, when he should've been seeking it himself. He succumbed to helplessness when he found out he couldn't fix what he had done, instead of making it his life goal to fix things (like Thorfinn from Vinland Saga). That's not admirable. It's a half-measure, but appears admirable and confusing in a society that rewards what should be expected in the first place. You don't get a prize for recompensing your victims, or for being repentant. That's what should be done; that's the minimum.
The best analogy I can think of for what happens in such cases is:
1. The victim is wounded, and that wound produces energy which seeks release.
2. The energy is shaped—crucially—like a vector.
3. Ideally, that vector is directed at the creators of that wound.
4. When the victimizer appears in a Bonaparta-like state to the victim, he is in a way rejecting that release, and the arrowhead of the vector spins and goes crazy. It does not know where to go. The greater the wound, the harder this is on the victim.
5. The victim's wound gets reshaped.
This repentant attitude in Bonaparta produces a very specific shape of wound in its victims. I think of it as "violent repentance".
I might be reaching, but I think Urasawa intended for it to be this way. It seems like this is Bonaparta's subconscious mind devising a sophisticated way to absorb as little pain as possible from the retaliating victims. I know he feels guilt and believes he needs to be punished, but I think some of his manipulation is running subconsciously here.
That being said, Bonaparta's demeanor is very subversive and well-written and I don't think it gets the praise it deserves.
Solitary
2026-02-04 02:54:27 +0000 UTC
4 more episodes left
Pratham Dusad
2026-02-04 02:14:07 +0000 UTC
Y’all deserve an award going from the Ghorman Massacre to Monster 😭
Daniel Molina
2026-02-04 02:08:34 +0000 UTC
Andor 2x08 mentioned 👀
Milen Karabadzhakov
2026-02-04 00:46:22 +0000 UTC
It sounds like Andor really messed them up. I can't wait for Thursday's reaction
Alex Aguilera
2026-02-04 00:36:22 +0000 UTC
I want to mention some material from Another Monster, the book about a journalist interviewing people involved in the Johan case. In Chapter 16, there is a particularly interesting interview with a Czech lawyer who worked with Charta 77, an informal civic initiative that fought against the communist regime in Czechoslovakia.
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— What criteria do you supposed they used to choose those men and women?
"All the women who fell victim to this experiment were beautiful. They were tall and healthy, all well-educated... and from excellent stock. Intelligent fathers, mothers and grandparents. I suspect that many of the men were from the military. They would have been strong, smart, attractive. Probably officers. And also lonely, I believe..."
— What were their political thoughts?
"That's the strange part. Most of the women chosen were involved in liberal activism in some way or another, and had a history of arrest. You'd think it would be easier if they chose the patriots."
— Do you believe Franz Bonaparta was involved in this plan?
"I do. The victims all said that they did not recognize his face, but I believe he was."
— All these groups: the army, Omnipol, party officials... And some people say that this project was planned by just a tiny group of insiders.
"I suppose so. They would have to have been eccentrics with a strong interest in genetics."
— Would that include Bonaparta?
"I don't believe that he was actually fascinated by genetics. He was more intrigued by how to recreate people who were already born. This is why I believe they only chose women who showed anti-governmental proclivities. I suppose he must have felt just like some Greek god when those stubborn women fell under the spell of love, just as his formulas had shown."
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[ They later talk about the mother but they can't find any documents about her ]
— What do you suppose that means?
"Either Johan's mother is not named Anna, she is not from Brno, everyone involved is keeping their silence... Or perhaps there is a more sinister kind of suppression at work."
— More sinister?
"Think about it. Bonaparta is a devil who steals the names of others, a genius at stripping memories away. How hard is it to imagine he could have found some new method that we could never think of?"
— At some point, Bonaparta fell in love with her. I believe this is why he pursued her so persistently when she escaped from the facility. His way of loving her was to take her name away, erase her memory and become the only person in the world who recognized her for who she was. This sounds just like Johan.
"Stealing one's name... Or to be the only person who knows one's name... Just as knowing one's true name gives the knower power over one's life... Rendering you impervious to one's magic... This concept of the name being the true source of one's nature is commonly found in myths and legends the world over. This is why ancient peoples were said to only use their true name among the family, and go by an alias elsewhere. The first time I read a scene in a fantasy novel with a magician scheming to find another's true name, I thought it was silly. But seeing the way Bonaparta brainwashed his victims, it makes you think it's not quite so silly after all. Jung said that myths are the expression of the human unconscious — and I think that if he lived today, he would point to this as proof."
Robert Dirk H.
2026-02-04 00:34:23 +0000 UTC
Grimmer and Lunge are such a great team. Next episode will be fun :D
Robert Dirk H.
2026-02-04 00:30:37 +0000 UTC
Honestly monster could have been an extra 12 eps imo.
fionan franklin
2026-02-04 00:28:19 +0000 UTC
I’m so unbelievably excited for the next reaction. There’s a line someone says that Ive genuinely thought about once a month since watching years ago. It’s not overly philosophical or even that deep. It just sticks with you.
Caleb
2026-02-04 00:23:55 +0000 UTC
excited to watch episode 70 of monster!.. oh.. oh...wait
nur
2026-02-04 00:03:15 +0000 UTC
Damn Monster is such a great show it has two episode 50s