Black Sails 2x04 Reaction
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cosmotron
2024-02-02 21:43:11 +0000 UTCThey're not just pathetic, they are pathetic cowards. They're the type of people that if they lived in the modern age would have a rainbow in their profile description, or black out their avatar, but not actually do anything that will help materially. Many salons were like that: progressive in name only; good only for people to show how enlightened they are without actually doing anything to help the state of the world.
Eric
2024-02-02 18:11:13 +0000 UTCWe have a secret discord if you wanna join https://discord.gg/57WsVymw
Melkor
2024-02-02 11:05:43 +0000 UTCGlad to have you aboard
Melkor
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sakurabraus
2024-02-02 00:06:03 +0000 UTCChecked out patreon after episode 2 on youtube and saw that you're this far ahead, so I simply had to join for Black Sails. Also appreciate that you have the edited versions on early access, personally I wouldn't have joined for just full length.
Preacher
2024-02-01 22:26:57 +0000 UTC@Rileymetal Linked you the discord for you to join if you want.
Melkor
2024-02-01 17:53:13 +0000 UTC@Cosmo: - 1st paragraph Here you reported what happened but didn't add a comment, I'm not sure if you wanted to say that you agree with Max's statement, but assuming that then my reply would be that Jack had every right to enter that room the very first time because they were doing something behind his back (giving his relationship with Anne), in secret (even later on Max asks Anne "did he see you coming up?"). In that instance anyway Jack was friendly and conciliating, he wasn't angry, he actually said Anne he understand her and tried his best to lay the foundations for a nice relationship between the three. And I totally disagree with Max accusing Jack into turning it into a competition, it seems to me that, on the countrary, that what is Max did, in a subtle way, and gaslighted Jack. - 3rd paragraph Oh I believe her too, I never doubted her seductive abilities, her beauty and her manipulating skills, she absolutely very good at it. And to be clear, I have nothing against manipulative characters, Flint and Silver are too and I love them, it's the way Max does it that I don't like, also her motives. And to be fair, I was against Silver too when he used his skills for self interest, planning to betray Flint. I also never denied her value as a source of informations and the idea of the brothel as a tool in that regard is brilliant. I can only blame men for being so easily manipulated in bed ;) - 4th paragraph As mentioned before, I never underestimated Max skills in what she does. What I always thought during that scene is that Jack understands how good Max is and how effective that method is into getting in someone's mind. I don't agree with the last sentence though, people go into a brothel knowing they are paying for sexual performance with nothing personal involved. But Max teaches how to making them believe there is something real happening, when there is not. One thing would if I pay you to pretend to like me, to act like my girlfriendo or whatever, in that case I'm knowingly paying for an illusion to feel good, but I still know it's not real. What Max is doing is making Idelle (and I suppose the other girls too) to actually deceive men into believing the feelings are real. And THIS I despise very much, even if, as I said before, part of the blame is on the men for being so naive. - 6th paragraph She tried to divide them by antagonizing Jack in several occasion for no reason, just being petty and arrogant. I know you don't see those dialogue that way, for you it's the opposite, but even after reading you and Wanda thoughts on it, I still can't agree with your point of view. About wanting to divide them, sorry but I still have the feeling she wants Anne for herself, while Jack (and it seems even Anne) were ok with sharing, Max definitely wasn't. - 7th paragraph Well yes, I agree with you, I said it in my previous comments, Max is definitely good at what she does, never denied that. In the end, I can only borrow Flint's words: "When it comes to Max, you and I simply do not see her in the same way" ^_^
Sweet Owl
2024-02-01 17:37:12 +0000 UTCThis is all that I said about Max in my comments: Back in the brothel, we have more excellent wordplay between Jack and Max. Their dynamic is an interesting one - on the Black Sails podcast Fathom’s Deep, the hosts liken it to cats circling each other lol - and it’s one I like to watch. Max says that up until Jack walked in on her and Anne a few episodes back, that “everything was under control”. It was only by inserting himself into it that Jack turned things “into a competition”. And that now Anne will eventually feel forced to choose. Jack laughs at this idea, and points out all that he and Anne have been through together. That in comparison she’s only been in Max’s bed for a week. “You’d be surprised what can change after a week in my bed.” You know what? I believe her. And I think there’s more going on here than Anne simply “choosing one of them”. But I’ll elaborate more on that as we go on through the season. In any case, I think it’s interesting that despite these words Max follows it up with something meant to continue to prove that she is in fact “indispensable” to both Anne and Jack. That she will get him better men for his crew, and she demonstrates exactly how. Jack follows Max to meet with Idelle, who has been around since S1! She helped Max when she was initially trying to escape after her fallout with Eleanor, and she’s been a delight in every appearance she’s had. This scene is no exception. But more than anything else this scene shows both us and Jack exactly how much Max knows what she is doing, and it kind of leaves Jack in complete astonishment. I think though he knew the prostitutes were getting information, he kind of thought it just sort of incidentally happened. Like, the men would talk because they were happy after sex. And that’s certainly part of it, but it’s now made clear just how proactive they are about getting that information. And how very very good Max is at what she does. Not just seduction, but understanding people and using that to get what she wants from them, while giving them what they want in return. We hear the effectiveness of Max’s advice to Idelle as Jack and Anne have a conversation about it all. I do still think Jack and Anne are ascribing more malicious intent to Max than there really is. If she just wanted to drive a wedge between Anne and Jack she wouldn’t try to help Jack. She knows keeping a partnership with them is beneficial to her, so she wants to keep both of them happy. As I said, Max is very very good at getting what she wants by giving other people what *they* want. It’s certainly manipulative, and I understand Jack and Anne being wary of it, but I think the show also makes it clear that she isn’t really trying to divide them so much as she is trying to find herself secure footing. Anyway, I love the moment where Max pours wine for herself and joins the table with Anne and Jack, announcing their success. *More* than just their success, that Max (and Idelle of course) has gone above and beyond by getting them 28 men to follow and their pledge that Jack will have command of the ship. It’s far more than Jack had gotten on his own (8 men), and far far more than either he or Anne could have hoped for. I love the bit where Anne moves to sit at the table and takes her hat off. Like the first time we saw her disrobe, it feels like her taking off another piece of her armor to show herself around these two people. And, it deliberately parallels Thomas taking off his wig in a later flashback scene as well.
cosmotron
2024-02-01 15:49:11 +0000 UTCOk, but could you kindly point me to which one? I usually don't read your essays because I'm ok in engaging a prolonged back and forth discussion, but even if I appreciate the dedication the effort I don't have the will to read a commented summary basically scene by scene. And just to be clear this not a critique eh, I read time ago someone mocking you for those, this is not the case. Zzzuuu ab, abg ernyyl: fur znavchyngrf crbcyr (naq guvf vf haqravnoyr) naq gur jnl fur qbrf vg whfg eho zr jebat. V xabj Syvag naq Fvyire znavchyngrf gbb, ohg gurl qb guebhtu terng punevfzn naq vagryyvtrapr, naq zbfg bs gur gvzr gurl ner evtug va gurve nethzragf ohg arrq gb erfbeg gb znavchyngvba gb pbaivapr gur perj orpnhfr fvzcyl ernfba naq ybtvp jbhyqa'g or rabhtu. Fur punatrf fvqrf qrcraqvat ba ubj gur jvaq oybjf naq fur vf ernql qb onpxfgno nalbar vs vg'f sbe ure crefbany tnva be gb fnir ure nff, rira Naar (frr F3). Fvyire jnf n onpxfgnoore gbb ng svefg, va snpg V jnf ntnvafg uvz va fbzr bppnfvbaf, ohg uvf fgbel nepu vf njrfbzr naq ur raqf hc fnpevsvpvat uvzfrys sbe uvf perj (jura ur ershfrf gb uryc Inar'f frpbaq naq ybfr n yrt sbe vg, ur pbhyq unir rnfvyl orgenl gur perj, or serr naq svaq n jnl gb trg gur tbyq), qb lbh guvax Znk jbhyq unir qbar gung sbe gur oebgury tveyf? Sbe Wnpx? Sbe Naar? Gur nafjre vf ab. Qhevat gur jubyr fubj, hayvxr Fvyire, Znk erznvaf gur fnzr naq ure zbgvingvbaf ner nyjnlf (be nyzbfg nyjnlf) sbe frys vagrerfg. Jura fur gnyxf jvgu Wnpx fur bsgra qbrf vg jvgu n gbar bs vafbyrapr va ure ibvpr, fur fcrnx jvgu uvz yvxr fur'f cebhq bs frqhpvat Naar naq fybjyl oevatvat ure njnl sebz Wnpx naq pybfre gb ure. V guvax Znk pnerf sbe Naar, ohg ng gur fnzr gvzr fur vf gnxvat nqinagntr bs ure qvfpbirevat ure frkhnyvgl (V guvax Naar jnf arire ernyyl fgenvtug be rira ov naq zl pbasvezngvba vf jura fur fnlf gb Wnpx "V pna'g or n jvsr sbe lbh").
Sweet Owl
2024-02-01 13:37:36 +0000 UTChttps://discord.gg/xwrcyszw
Melkor
2024-02-01 11:31:56 +0000 UTCSame
Melkor
2024-02-01 11:26:40 +0000 UTC100% agree with cosmo on this one
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-02-01 11:07:56 +0000 UTCI love how much you are both loving this show. I mean, I definitely knew you would both love it, that's why I kept pushing for it so hard, so it's also nice to be proven right lol.
cosmotron
2024-02-01 07:02:23 +0000 UTCSame about wanting to hug Flint. That feeling has just increased with every rewatch.
cosmotron
2024-02-01 07:00:48 +0000 UTC@Rileymetal: Yeah, @TeaDrinker3000 can give you an invite! It's just a fan discord but there are channels for all the things the girls are watching right now, plus others.
cosmotron
2024-02-01 06:55:10 +0000 UTCI'd encourage you to read my own comments for my thoughts on Max. And while you're certainly free to not like her, I do think you're ascribing more malicious intent to her actions than there actually is. V guvax pnyyvat ure n 'ivyr znavchyngbe' vf ernyyl fgebat? Nyy fur'f qbvat vf gelvat gb znxr ure bja sbbgvat va guvf fvghngvba zber frpher. Vs fur whfg jnagrq gb qvivqr Wnpx naq Naar fur jbhyqa'g obgure urycvat Wnpx. Vafgrnq fur qrzbafgengrf gb uvz ure bja hfrshyarff. Obgu sbe gur fnxr bs ubcrshyyl univat uvz ivrj ure gung jnl, NAQ gb znxr vg pyrne gung gelvat gb abg unir ure nf n cnegare jvyy unir pbafrdhraprf. Yvxr...vg pna or zber guna bar guvat? Fur pna or hfvat ure frkhnyvgl/fznegf gb ure nqinagntr gb gel naq znxr guvatf orggre sbe urefrys be znxr Naar/Wnpx inyhr ure zber. NAQ fur pna nyfb fgvyy or fbzrbar gung qbrf unir trahvar pner sbe Naar/jnag gb ohvyq n orggre cnegarefuvc jvgu Wnpx. Trarenyyl fur bcrengrf ol tvivat crbcyr jung gurl jnag va beqre gb nyfb trg jung fur jnagf. Vf gung znavchyngvir? Fher, ohg V qba'g guvax vg'f znyvpvbhf be ivyr.
cosmotron
2024-02-01 06:53:46 +0000 UTCAlready looking forward to saturday, and I remember how I felt having to wait a week to watch episode 6 after watching 2x5 the first time I watched the show (not really, though, it was 9 years ago, but I'm confident that I was pissed, and probably god damning, slightly, the writers for doing that to me every week, but at the same time forgiving them because they were giving me this masterpiece of a show.
Gustavo
2024-02-01 02:27:58 +0000 UTCI already said that but I'll do it again: I LOVE Milena love for Flint XD Every time I see her fangirling for him I just want to wave my arms like a baby :D Glad you picked up on Flint feelings during the dialogue with Silver, I've seen very few reactors understand how hard is for Flint to do that things he does, the internal struggle... he wears the mask of a merciless cruel pirate while suffering in silence. "Fire!" is one of Flint's best lines haha, every time Toby Stephens says that word, no matter the situation or the tone, is just pure bliss to my ear XD One I think I have to say to be objective: Mr. Scott was right here, if I put myself in Flint's shoes I understand why he decided to go forward with the attack, but that was definitely a questionable decision. About the post-episode discussion... Vane is not violent? Ehm... I like him a lot, but he is very violent. The fact that he can be reasonable sometimes doesn't change that, we've seen it several times in the first season, for example when he interrogated Max or during the exchange at the wrecks. Plus, he is one of the most feared pirates of the Carabbeans, you don't get that kind of reputation, in that setting, for nothing. @Wanda and Cosmo if you read: that's another example of why I said Znk vf n ivyr znavchyngbe, rira Naar ernyvmrf vg. Naq lrf, fur cebpherq Wnpx n pncgnvapl, ohg fur qrsvavgryl qvqa'g qb vg sbe uvz, Znk qba'g tvir n fuvg nobhg Wnpx.
Sweet Owl
2024-02-01 01:57:45 +0000 UTCI think that's a fair thing to consider, but previous episodes have also implied that most of the people who attend Thomas's salons are mostly only doing it to "feel like a radical" (James said that directly). So I do think there is enough to indicate that most of them don't actually feel all that strongly about the things they discuss, and I think it's meant to be a direct demonstration that some people will only talk the talk and not follow it up with action.
cosmotron
2024-02-01 01:46:04 +0000 UTCI think calling all the people who left the room pathetic is a bit extreme. They have been talking about stuff like this with him behind closed doors for months seemingly. They obviously have an interest and are probably not terrible people. Thomas only just gave his full plan to Flint recently though, so that was probably the first time they heard it too, and even Flint thought it was absurd and dangerous. To openly side with this stuff is probably societal suicide, they can't ruin their lives and their families if they don't have the deep conviction that Thomas does. I think sympathizing, but not wishing to continue upon hearing this stuff is perfectly understandable for most regular people. I doubt most would wish him ill in any way.
ArtficialFlvrz
2024-02-01 01:27:28 +0000 UTCI hope you watched episode 6 right after 2x05 .
Sone
2024-02-01 01:16:56 +0000 UTCI need Saturday to be today and it’s not fair at all that I must wait for it.
Melkor
2024-02-01 01:14:42 +0000 UTCThe Black Sails writers are masters at writing great cliffhangers
Bushido Black
2024-02-01 01:14:20 +0000 UTC“My God, it must be awful being you”. And I spend the next 2 n half seasons wanting to hug Flint. He really is such a sad boy. Thomas is the purest character on this show. He is the definition of a good man.
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-02-01 01:01:12 +0000 UTCI hope there was Serbian swearing when they had to stop at the end of next ep 🤣
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-02-01 00:56:35 +0000 UTCGot it, thanks Wanda! My video reviews are going to be more competent I hope 😅
TeaDrinker3000
2024-02-01 00:55:50 +0000 UTCWhen Flint said that if he moves he’ll never be able to regain that position, he meant that literally lol. He moved the ship during the night when no one was watching, so that it can’t be hit by the guns from the fort, but his can hit the fort and non of the other ships can get near it without its own cannons doing significant damage.
Wanda Did Nothing Wrong
2024-02-01 00:54:25 +0000 UTCBack with Miranda in present day, she gets another nighttime visit from Pastor Lambrick. And you can tell she is very done with him lmao, and she literally rolls her eyes when he calls them having sex “vile”, it’s kinda funny. But it’s obvious she is rapidly running out of patience with this man, and it’s only that he mentions the situation with Abigail (though not by name of course) that she suddenly snaps to attention. Not to listen to what he is saying, but to truly take in what he had already said. And we see why with another flashback. Thomas, Miranda, and James presenting their plan to the room full of people who have regularly attended Thomas’s salons. He’s impressing upon them the importance of action, not just talking as they have so far. Pleading for them to stand with him. But basically all of them leave. The only one left standing to help them, it turns out…is none other than Lord Peter Ashe himself. Whose daughter Abigail is now sitting in a cell at the Nassau fort. Cut to Eleanor drinking alone, wrestling with what she has done and what might happen. Then who of all people should show up but her father? This feels like a particularly interesting thing to have happen after the scenes with Thomas and his father. Richar Guthrie and Alfred Hamilton aren’t exactly alike, but they’re alike enough. I really like the scene with Scott and Flint that follows afterward. Flint points out that Scott is very invested in the future of this place, as much as anyone. And that while everyone knows of Richard and Eleanor Guthrie, the truth is that there was someone standing behind their thrones that helped to hold this place together just as much: Scott himself. That statement, and Flint asking him outright for advice, shows the respect he has for Scott. Which is interesting, considering Scott never wanted Eleanor to partner with Flint. And it is Scott’s very wise words that come the closest to reaching Flint I think. But even though he seems moved by Scott’s words…he still can’t do it. He can’t back away. Can’t tolerate Vane in that fort. He seems almost resigned to it. Disappointed in himself even as he gives the order: “Fire.” And so the episode ends. How we feeling, everyone? Seriously, what a great episode. Still, I meant it when I said it’s the next one I really can’t wait for. Saturday is going to be a good day, and I’ll see you all there.
cosmotron
2024-02-01 00:52:43 +0000 UTCWe have a brief scene of Flint talking with Hornigold, wanting to know how badly things will go if they do attack the fort. But hearing all of it just seems to make him think of Thomas again, and we go right into another flashback. We also meet Thomas’s dad! Who definitely seems like a nice guy and isn’t at all a raging asshole! Seriously though, from the literal first word you can tell he sucks. Thomas asks how the trip went and it doesn’t even seem like his dad is going to reply at first before he simply says it was “wet” and walks right past them. We cut right to their tense dinner conversation, though it seems to be going reasonably well…riiiiight up until it’s time to talk about the pirates. Thomas says he wants to put them to work. And what he says reminds me so much of what Flint will later say to Eleanor about the nation he wants to create in Nassau. “They can work the land…” and so on. But Alfred Hamilton is…not as receptive to this idea as Eleanor will be, to put it lightly. In fact, he refutes it almost exactly as James had said he would, with much of the same wording, except it gets crueler and crueler. Thomas says that pardoning the pirates is not only what will most likely get them their desired outcome, it “has the benefit of being the right thing to do”, a notion that his father outright scoffs at. Alfred Hamilton even tries to bring James into the conversation against Thomas, and I love Thomas standing up to him: “Don’t look at him. Talk to me.” Feels so satisfying even though it’s not like we’ve seen a lot of the relationship between Thomas and his father, this scene alone tells us enough. And Alfred still doesn’t do as Thomas says! He instead talks as if Thomas isn’t there. “My son is impertinent. My son is indulged.” He says no one in parliament would support this. Thomas points out several names that would, and further that the war they are fighting is meant to be in the name of God/the son of God. Yet they want to deny forgiveness to those who would seek it? Not exactly in keeping with the word of the Lord, is it? Things keep escalating, and Alfred Hamilton asks James what he thinks of this, but before James can answer Miranda tries to step in to diffuse the situation. But that’s when Alfred Hamilton truly gets vicious: he tells her that she has done enough damage to their family, and to keep “both her mouth and her legs firmly shut”, which is a horrific thing to say. And of course this is when James can no longer keep silent. Despite his arguments to Thomas about all the ways this cannot work, he supports it, and says so. Literally stands up for Thomas and Miranda. “I find his intent to be good and true and I find yours wanting, sir.” Then follows it up by saying it is time Alfred Hamilton left. He says it so politely, but with such clear rage underneath, and Alfred Hamilton actually gets up and leaves. “Did you just ask my father to leave his own house?” Yes, yes he did Thomas. Naq Gubznf snyyf n yvggyr zber va ybir jvgu Wnzrf. Thomas points out that his father will immediately start trying to act against them, but James doesn’t regret what he said. “People can say what they like about you. But you…you’re a good man. More people should say that. And someone should be willing to defend it.” Oh, the little tremble in his voice when James says that…god, Toby Stephens is so good. There’s so much emotion there. And the look on Thomas’s face afterward as well…you can see how much those words mean to him. How much they care for each other.
cosmotron
2024-02-01 00:52:20 +0000 UTCFrom there we go to Billy! There was a previous scene that implied he was the one who washed up, but now we see it for certain. And Silver is already jumping all over it to try and control the situation. “Get…Gates.” Ooof. That’s an ouch. Back at the brothel, we hear the effectiveness of Max’s advice to Idelle as Jack and Anne have a conversation about it all. “I think I have underestimated my last whore given the week I have been having.” lol, I mean that’s definitely true. But what follows from Anne is really important I think. She points out to Jack that she has done a lot of things for him. Without thought. Without question. Even when she didn’t agree. “I’ve done some fucked up awful shit for you.” So she asks Jack to keep doing this for her. Because as long as he is with her on the other side of that door, nothing can get between them. So, I do still think they are ascribing more malicious intent to Max than there really is. If she just wanted to drive a wedge between Anne and Jack she wouldn’t try to help Jack. She knows keeping a partnership with them is beneficial to her, so she wants to keep both of them happy. As I said, Max is very very good at getting what she wants by giving other people what *they* want. It’s certainly manipulative, and I understand Jack and Anne being wary of it, but I think the show also makes it clear that she isn’t really trying to divide them so much as she is trying to find herself secure footing. Anyway, I love the moment where Max pours wine for herself and joins the table with Anne and Jack, announcing their success. *More* than just their success, that Max (and Idelle of course) has gone above and beyond by getting them 28 men to follow and their pledge that Jack will have command of the ship. It’s far more than Jack had gotten on his own (8 men), and far far more than either he or Anne could have hoped for. I love the bit where Anne moves to sit at the table and takes her hat off. Like the first time we saw her disrobe, it feels like her taking off another piece of her armor to show herself around these two people. And, it deliberately parallels Thomas taking off his wig in a later flashback scene as well.
cosmotron
2024-02-01 00:52:00 +0000 UTCBack in the present we see Silver engaging in political theater on the beach of Nassau, once more highlighting how smart he is. And, incidentally, demonstrating the power of storytelling: this man is telling a story of the brutality he “witnessed” by Vane’s crew, and we see how such things are used to stir up other people. And we see Eleanor doing much the same, paying four separate town criers to relay Vane’s message and reiterate that Flint is the “madman on the water”. Which brings us to a scene between Eleanor and Miranda. After the encounter they had in the previous episode, it’s kind of surprising to see them interact again. But Eleanor is coming here in a very different light this time. She’s not looking for Miranda to make up for wronging them, but begging her to get Flint to understand the dangerous actions he is taking. She talks about the last time Spain attacked, something she referenced before with Max as well. It’s something that she clearly thinks about on the regular and is genuinely afraid of. When will this happen again? I mentioned it before, but it’s also something that happened in real life too. Of course, Miranda knows that it’s unlikely anything she said would get Flint to stop. She’s been trying to get him to stop all of this for a while now and it hasn’t worked, why would it now? But when Eleanor accuses her of not caring enough about Flint…that’s when she gets angry. And she rightfully points out that Eleanor has encouraged Flint’s violence to suit her own needs, and trying to claim that Miranda is the one who doesn’t care is just flat out wrong. Back in the brothel, we have more excellent wordplay between Jack and Max. Their dynamic is an interesting one - on the Black Sails podcast Fathom’s Deep, the hosts liken it to cats circling each other lol - and it’s one I like to watch. Max says that up until Jack walked in on her and Anne a few episodes back, that “everything was under control”. It was only by inserting himself into it that Jack turned things “into a competition”. And that now Anne will eventually feel forced to choose. Jack laughs at this idea, and points out all that he and Anne have been through together. That in comparison she’s only been in Max’s bed for a week. “You’d be surprised what can change after a week in my bed.” You know what? I believe her. And I think there’s more going on here than Anne simply “choosing one of them”. But I’ll elaborate more on that as we go on through the season. In any case, I think it’s interesting that despite these words Max follows it up with something meant to continue to prove that she is in fact “indispensable” to both Anne and Jack. That she will get him better men for his crew, and she demonstrates exactly how. Jack follows Max to meet with Idelle, who has been around since S1! She helped Max when she was initially trying to escape after her fallout with Eleanor, and she’s been a delight in every appearance she’s had. This scene is no exception. But more than anything else this scene shows both us and Jack exactly how much Max knows what she is doing, and it kind of leaves Jack in complete astonishment. I think though he knew the prostitutes were getting information, he kind of thought it just sort of incidentally happened. Like, the men would talk because they were happy after sex. And that’s certainly part of it, but it’s now made clear just how proactive they are about getting that information. And how very very good Max is at what she does. Not just seduction, but understanding people and using that to get what she wants from them, while giving them what they want in return. “Just to be clear, I’m still going to fuck the shit out of him, yes?” “...Yes.” Hilarious. I love Idelle, she’s one of my favorite minor characters
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2024-02-01 00:51:31 +0000 UTCSpeaking of greatness, there’s the scene between Flint and John in the captain’s cabin. We saw earlier Flint react visibly to the word “madman” being used to describe him, and that carries over here. Well, first we get the very funny bit of Silver being like “You’re asking for my opinion???” which always makes me laugh. But it doesn’t stay funny for long. Silver doesn’t pull any punches about what could be motivating the men to join Vane over Flint, and points out it could be because they don’t like Flint. “So you think they see me as the villain of this particular story?” There’s that “story” theme coming up again. And Silver confirms that could explain the other men’s actions. And at Flint’s prompting, further adds that it doesn't really matter to him what Flint is labeled as, because he thinks Flint is still the person most likely to help him get his share of the gold. And it’s obvious as he says it that Silver thinks this answer will satisfy Flint, but it doesn’t. If anything…it just seems to make him sad. Silver picks up on it right away. “It bothers you, doesn’t it? What they think. With the things you’ve done…My God. It must be awful being you.” Well, doesn’t that just feel like a stab in the heart? But it’s also one of the things that makes Flint so interesting. People perceive him as being heartless or villainous, but the truth is that he feels things very deeply (and is, in fact, very often led by his emotions). He does not want to be a villain, but someone who saves Nassau. Like Thomas wanted to do all those years ago. The show really emphasizes that, because we move immediately into another flashback. Thomas is explaining to James another part of his plans for Nassau, one that he knows will face maybe the most opposition. He wants to pardon the pirates. And the statement is underscored with a roll of thunder, not because the statement is ominous, but because we know none of this turns out how they want. James insists to Thomas, both as his advisor and his friend, that he should be careful, and that bringing up this idea isn’t going to work. But you can see on Thomas’s face that he isn’t deterred.
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2024-02-01 00:41:48 +0000 UTCThings with Vane and his crew aren’t in a great place either. Despite the prize he just found for them, Ned Low’s words about how they find Vane’s feelings for Eleanor to be “pathetic” are quite true. Again, Vane chose men who don’t care about what she does for the island or the power she has, and it continues to bite him in the ass. The way the angry crewmember speaks to her shows just how little they care: while she has had people speak disrespectfully to her before, this feels different, and you know that nothing she said would have sway over the men in Vane’s current crew. Eleanor presents Vane’s response right to Flint on the Spanish Warship. Scenes between these two are always great, their relationship is an interesting one (so I say about literally everyone on the show haha). I think Eleanor’s points here are about not wanting Vane hurt, but they are also very much about wanting to protect Nassau. She is genuinely terrified at the idea of what could happen if the fort falls, and how vulnerable that would leave them. Between learning he killed Gates and having him threaten to blow up the first, it’s no wonder she’s feeling their partnership is in doubt. Oh, and I like how last episode Flint was calling Vane a madman, and using that specific language to rile up his own crew. And Eleanor, having heard him do that, likely told Charles to use that same language to describe Flint. A very political maneuver indeed. Truthfully, both Flint and Vane are being hardheaded about this. Eleanor’s proposition that they sit down and talk it out would truly be the one that leads to the least awful outcome, but neither captain can afford to let themselves lose the advantage they have. We go from there to the great scene between Abigail and Vane. Abigail doesn’t seem to be beat up (being a hostage protected her a little on that front it seems), but it’s clear Low’s crew frightened her quite a lot. And her reaction to Vane saying that he cut off Low’s head is amazing, love the emphasis the actress puts on the word “Good”. And you can tell Vane kind of liked that response too, and wasn’t really expecting it. Then he starts asking about her father, trying to gauge if Low’s estimate about her ransom would be correct, but Abigail is initially confused about how Vane is asking it. Then she realizes: “Are you asking if he loves me?” And Vane is…somewhat perplexed by that idea. As if it hadn’t occurred to him that’s what a father is meant to do with his children. Considering what we know of his childhood, that’s not a surprising response. It also shows Abigail is quite perceptive, despite the terrible circumstances she is in and how scared she still is. I also really love the pause Vane takes outside of her door. I think a lot of other shows would have just cut away as he closed the door, used that to transition to another scene. But instead we linger deliberately on Vane’s reaction to what he just did. And how uncomfortable it obviously makes him. Great character work, as always.
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2024-02-01 00:40:43 +0000 UTChugging in distress hdhsjs i guess that's going to be happening a lot now can't exactly remember what happens in each episode but i remember the gist and the important things and the rest of the season is fire and it's going to be torture to stop and not watch the next. i do not envy you. i binged the whole season back in the day.
sand_fl
2024-02-01 00:39:35 +0000 UTCAs you should be
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2024-02-01 00:39:17 +0000 UTCEpisode four of season two. What an episode it was! And I’m incredibly excited for the next one in particular. Anyway, we open on poor Abigail Ashe. The show does a lot to characterize her very quickly with only a few scenes: here, where she eats the bread infested with maggots, and when Vane tells her that he killed Ned Low, as well as their conversation in general. It does a lot to make her feel like more than a kind of ‘damsel in distress’ character, even though she is literally being held hostage. More on that later though. We see Vane reacting to Flint’s ultimatum, and Vane (not unreasonably) thinks that Eleanor may have been involved in Flint’s plan. We know of course that isn’t true, but that suspicion is understandable. Eleanor also lays out quite succinctly how much damage Flint and Hornigold are threatening to do (and how vulnerable that leaves Nassau), something which is further emphasized in the scene afterward between those two captains. But I really want to talk about our first flashback of the episode. (S2 spoilers only) Lbh xabj jung vf rzcunfvmrq va guvf svefg synfuonpx? N gvpxvat pybpx, naq ehzoyvat guhaqre. Gebhoyr vf oerjvat naq gvzr vf ehaavat bhg. It says a lot about how Thomas feels about his father that he lists all of his titles before calling him “father”. But this scene between him and James is quite sweet: Thomas says he has come to trust him “very much”, and you can see how much James is moved by that. And, building off previous episodes when Thomas talked about wanting James around for his different opinions…James is there to help in a very specific way. To help Thomas practice for going up against his father. By James “trying to talk him out” of his plan, Thomas can come up with arguments to refute whatever his father might say. Back in the present time in Nassau, we have Max, Jack, and Anne waking up in bed together. Once more we get some excellent nonverbal communication, though the extent of what the characters are feeling isn’t quite clear. What *is* clear is that their feelings are complicated. I also love the little head kiss that Jack gives to Anne, it’s very sweet. In any case, both Jack and Max have to work out what the previous night really means for all of them going forward.
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2024-02-01 00:38:46 +0000 UTCvindicated
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2024-02-01 00:38:33 +0000 UTCI am very very curious to know if Lola and Milena have watched the next episode or not. And how they’re feeling if they have. 👀
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2024-02-01 00:37:34 +0000 UTCflint decides to fire so we’re hugging in distress
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2024-02-01 00:36:36 +0000 UTCdo not remember exactly what happens in the episode for you tu be hugging lol but must be good i guess.ç
sand_fl
2024-02-01 00:33:07 +0000 UTCThere is an LM Reactions Discord?
Rileymetal
2024-02-01 00:29:40 +0000 UTCThe thumbnail is melting my heart and I’ve not even watched the vid yet lol.
Melkor
2024-02-01 00:19:11 +0000 UTCBlack Sails really mastered how to end every episode in a cliffhanger kind of way.
Gustavo
2024-02-01 00:16:28 +0000 UTCSo happy you guys are enjoying my favorite show of all time. Toby Stephens is incredible as Flint.
Drew
2024-02-01 00:15:03 +0000 UTCBest thumbnail ever
HenryM
2024-02-01 00:14:00 +0000 UTCthankssss ❤️❤️❤️
Joaquín Calderón
2024-02-01 00:10:48 +0000 UTC2x04 First Impressions. This will be my last of the written First Impressions, I'll be doing the rest in video format from now on. I'll probably just post it on the Discord, but I can post it here too if anyone wants. - Vane and El; When Vane says "If I can't hit ye...", is he referring to Flint out on the water, or does he mean not being able to hit El because she's a girl? I ask because I don't really know what Vane's values would be in regards to the latter, alongside how it would be taken both with her gender and position of power. - Flint and Hornigold; Good set-up of the episode's obstacle for Flint, there's a ticking bomb for his character as to whether or not he will engage Vane. I only noticed upon re-watch how Hornigold pressing the issue of time is then met with the SFX of a clock ticking, which then transitions us into the next scene. - Flint and Thomas; "I want you to try to talk me out of it" is an incredilby intriguing set-up. Given what's happened so far, 'wanting to be talked out of it' is quite the poignant premise. I'm sure there'll be similar weight to the phrase in future episodes throughout the series. Jack Max and Anne; I remember watching an interview with an actor before who said that post-sex scenes were her favourite coz you got paid to just lie in bed all day with your friend(s). I'm sure the actors here had a similar chill day shooting. In seriousness though, I'm very interested to see how Max and Jack will come up against each other this episode, I love their discussions. Jack and Black Haired Girl Whose Name I Forget; Jack was considering if Flint had acquired the gold. If Flint had the gold, would he have contemplated a way of retrieving some of it in some way? Or was her instead thinking of how it would affect his goal of becoming a captain. Also, does anyone else think the Black Haired Girl he talks to is a bit like Maddy from Euphoria, just the way she acts? Am I the only one who sees it? Vane at the fort; a good set-up here that Vane's protection of El is most certainly going to be a hindrance to the men trying to survive at the fort. Vane may very well have a long-term plan that necissitates keeping El alive (not to mention his own personal desire to see no harm done to her), but I doubt the men in the fort share that same level of prioritisation. - El and Flint; I almost feel bad for Hornigold, he gets disimssed so easily these days. The repetition of the phrase "madman" that Flint said in the episode before, speaks for itself. Another parallel of course is the fact that now Flint is questioning her loyalty. "I don't care if he leaves voluntarily", holllly shit, we're entering dangerous waters! I don't know how much truth their is to his statement that if Flint retreats this time that he'll 'never regain this position again'. I can imagine dissent from Hornigold, for instance, but surely Dufresne would be able to vouch for him with the rest of the men. Is his position truly as hopeless as he says it is, or is he trying to rationalise not backing down from the fight at hand? I suspect the latter, but I could be wrong. Vane and Princess Ashe; God only knows what Low was doing, I'm glad he's gone. Again, I do not feel optimistic that Ashe will know Vane by name after all this. I want him to live, even though he's done such terrible things. Flint and Hornigold; I'm glad that we're seeing how the fight between Flint and Vane is affecting the people of Nassau themselves. Again, this was another aspect that made the early seasons of Game Of Thrones so great, and sadly what was forgotten as the series went on. - Flint and Silvy in the room; The mask slipping in front of Silvy is serious. Silvy is not going to forget such a weakness in Flint anytime soon. Thus far he's been presented to us as a social savant, for lack of a better term, so this crucial bit of information is going to stand to Silvy as time goes on. In the present, it really speaks a lot to the downfall of Flint that he's able to show this degree of weakness in front of Silvy of all people. Thomas and Flint; It's hard to hear Thomas's proposal (both here and later on in the episode) and not think of Bunny's Hamsterdam plan from The Wire. For those unfamiliar with the analogy, Thomas is really coming across as an idealist, and a naive one at that. The idea of pardoning enemies to the crown during warfare is all well and good on paper, and of course as audience members we have the privilege of hindsight and emotional distancing, but it is truly a foolish idea, or at the very least a significant gamble. Thomas is 100% right ethically to want to promote independent civilisation rather than fatten the crown's pockets, but I think the main drive here is his desire to assert himself against his father. It's simply too bold a move, in my opinion. I'm totally theorising here, but he could arguably be acting out of fear. He knows that he cannot be under his fathers thumb any longer, but rather play the long game to slowly move up the ladder and give himself leverage (and clarity for that matter), it's as though he's pre-emptively acting against his father whilst he has the resolve and a semi-competent plan. Flint at the beach; again, look at Flint here paying to make sure a particular idea is out on the street. This is 'not' the man Flint should be showing weakness in front of. As for the Billy reveal, jesus imagine being in that situation. Like seeing your friend come back from death itself, the advent of a missing person returning in those days would have felt like a true act of god. - El on the beach; I only caught that 'madman on the water' from the crier the second time around. And hey, the pastor! What's good bro. - El and Miranda; I loved this scene so much. I love both these characters and actors. Miranda is inarguably defensive here. El's request is valid and respectfully made. Miranda is clearly upset at the prospect of Flint dying and everything they've worked for being laid to ruin, not least of all for the reason that Flint is going down a path as a means of escaping his own demons, an act which she is hapless against (and perhaps always has been). Even if she *could* stop Flint, which I'm sure she wants to, it's still going to be emotionally taxing on her to do so. In my opinion, this is what is coming out of her in this scene with El. And a tragic aspect of this is of course is that regardless of whatever degree El might recognise Miranda's emotional lashing out, she cannot argue against it. El has no doubt had these same thoughts of contributing to the problem wrack her mind too. The manner in which she's rationalised it over time is for us to speculate. - Jack and Max; "You can be amazed at what can change in a week in my bed" is such a boss bitch line. Love Max. They're definitely one of my favourite duos in the whole show when it comes to dialouge. - Jack Max and Idelle (I learned her name!); Poor Jack feeling insecure in this moment, it's great comedy though. I genuienly don't think Max was even trying to fuck with him here, it's all just an internal thing for him. But of course his worries are ultimately fruitless (or are they? :') ) - Billy and Silvy; Ooft, that gave me the feels ; _ ; - Jack and Anne; "Congratulations Captain" had me grinning ear to ear. I was definitley taken off guard by Max's goals initially, and even this episode had me doubting to a certain extent. I think that Max would not help Jack if she believed him to be a hindrance to the well-being of the island and its inhabitants. I can't help but feel immense pride towards Jack. And I loved the conversation between he and Anne, she's grown on me quite a bit! Hamilton dinner; I thought that Thomas's conviction here was admirable. The build up throughout the episode led me to believe that he would be a lot more sheepish in the confrontation, but here we see him able to stand his ground against his father with the same level of conviction he spoke to Flint with. And jesus, that line Hamilton said to Miranda?! As for Flint, in my mind this would be the scene that is the strongest indicator thus far that himself and Thomas's relationship went beyond platonic. Perhaps it won't be confirmed at all, but if that's the case it could be really interesting in its own right. The speculation as to whether or not they were involved with one another in that way is somehow more compelling. I love how the show uses ambiguity. Miranda and Pastor; I can't imagine how difficult this entire ordeal must have been on Miranda 10 years ago. Thomas and Ashe; not much to say here, it's clear that the past Miranda and Flint may have shared with Ashe will come into play in the present day. How exactly I've truly no idea. My best guess is that they'll do something to inform Ashe about Abigail's location, maybe so that Ashe can help Flint, or help Nassau itself. I don't know, but I will say that I'm amazed by the set-design here. Given how story heavy this show is, I don't think enough of us patrons have given enough attention to how incredible the cinematography has been in this series. The lighting in this scene for example is just stunning. El and Richard; was not expecting to see Richard in this episode, I think it's a good continuation of the scene she had with Miranda. She's in a pretty helpless situation, and as much as it hurt her pride, she seems to have no choice but to go with what her father says. At least in the short term. Scott and Flint; Again, that cinematography. Goddamn. So so great. Same goes for the monologues. I aboslutely love Scott's character, and his speech is a great 'voice of reason' moment for the protagonist. I could imagine it being reworded to fit an inner narration from Flint himself. Again, the show works so well by making compelling argument for both war and peace, for either the supposedly right or wrong thing to do. Were it black and white, neither the characters nor the show would have the same degree of immersion and interst for me. I'm really loving season 2 so far. Flint on boat; ...no half measures
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2024-02-01 00:07:42 +0000 UTCit’s uploading now, should be up soon
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2024-02-01 00:07:25 +0000 UTChi girls, you will upload the one piece reaction today?
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2024-02-01 00:06:24 +0000 UTC
