British Vocalist reacts to BTS - Tiny Desk (Performances)
Added 2020-10-24 15:38:03 +0000 UTC*PLEASE READ BEFORE COMMENTING, REGARDING 'HARMONIES'*
*I think what people are thinking of when harmonies are mentioned is “boyz II men” style where it’s massive vocal moments. No, Albert means layerings of harmonies like how Jk harmonised with RM on a decorational level to add to the performance *which he mentions in the video* and if b-sides have more harmonies it only further highlights the point the that they ARE capable of this and in a setting like this it was a missed opportunity to showcase that, not every casual listener watching Tiny Desk is going to assume this. Very similar to if they performed at the grammy's and didn't dance, a critique of this would be fair because why not dance showcase the best of your skills in a particular situation and really put on a show which K-Pop is known for? So asking for harmonies from a group isn't "obsession" it's a fair opinion for the situation they are in.* It's a bit disappointing that this is the only part everyone is focusing on when the whole reaction was still fair with tons of positives.
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Hope you enjoy it and find humour in Albert's words. They are jokes as someone who does enjoy BTS but also has wishes for what he would like to see from them!
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Amani Upshaw
2020-11-28 02:49:38 +0000 UTCGood review but save me isn’t one of their songs that they do vocal harmonies. The part where you said they should be harmonizing, they’re normally dancing. To hear more of vocal harmonies maybe listen to love maze or home. But still good reaction 👍🏾
Amani Upshaw
2020-11-28 02:48:34 +0000 UTCBye. I already explained Alberts point of view many times but you chose to be obtuse.
Koko3op
2020-11-12 02:48:44 +0000 UTCThen I will take my money and time else where. Becuase you, seem to think that you and everyone there is the apex of whatever field of a
Child's Play
2020-11-12 02:25:49 +0000 UTCLol erm, I do not appreciate your tone and comment in the slightest. If you lack the maturity to engage in differences in opinion when it comes to BTS then you should not involve yourself with anything related to my videos. No single artist is perfect and people are allowed to have an opinion. I know plenty about K-Pop, how dare you? I'll assume you're a teen that's frustrated and is mis-directing their passion so I won't engage further however it sounds like you need to do research because many groups that have become before and after BTS focus on harmonies especially in live acoustic settings. EXO, GOT7, Shinee, NCT, SuperM, BTOB, Super junior, Monsta X to name but a few. That is all.
Koko3op
2020-11-12 01:07:23 +0000 UTCIf you knew about kpop harmonies are not something they focus on. And really bts does the best put of all the kpop groups because they harmonize the most. Listen to their tracks you will hear it watch a live performance you will hear. Dont compare them to western artist. They are not boys 2 men. They have surpased them. The Beatles and even Michael Jackson. And there are many Receipts to back up this statement. Dont compare their music to anyone's becuase they have their own style.
Child's Play
2020-11-12 01:03:03 +0000 UTCEveryone has different preferences I guess. I think he expected some call and response minor harmonies to fill up the spaces a bit more and add more decoration I guess. I would need to ask him next time. Most of the other points I've stated in other replies. Thanks for your comment! Looking forward to more of your input as another fellow musician!
Koko3op
2020-11-02 22:33:43 +0000 UTCI agreed with some things and disagreed with others. I personally love harmonies (hit me with that wall of sound!) and also wish I heard more of that from BTS, but I also know that harmonies aren't a core part of their singing as idols. I don't listen to K-pop with the expectation of hearing a lot of arrangements that showcase harmonizing, so I'm pleasantly surprised when I do hear it. I don't know about other genres in Korean music, so I'm not sure if from a cultural standpoint, if there's a lot of harmonizing. The rappers are at varying levels of comfort with their singing voices, so until they are in that space, it'll be a while before we hear a seven sung phrase (also it was J-Hope JK was harmonizing with in Save Me). They've been working on their vocals, so it could happen! Next album maybe? With Tiny Desk, I expect acoustic paired down, which is what they gave. Most of my joy from watching their Tiny Desk was how much joy they exuded and their song choice. Could it have been arranged differently? Definitely. Could they have harmonized more? Definitely. Should they? Not sure. As far as the other points, I would've loved to hear more explanation from Albert about the vocals. From a pianist perspective, they sounded great, but I got the feeling that technically there was something going on that wasn't satisfying to Albert?
C S
2020-11-02 18:43:38 +0000 UTCBoy groups like Take that, Nsync and Backstreet boys are definitely influential on how Koreans group execute their performances . Of course idols dance harder and pretty much always have rap and have more members but sonically I hear loads of early 00's boy group influences and see it in some performances also - choreo-wise so it's quite familiar to me but that's different for everyone I guess. EXO, GOT7, Shinee, NCT, SuperM, BTOB, Super junior, Monsta X and a plethora of other groups have consciously harmonised often in their own tracks live as well as covers. BTS did it for Dimple too live off the top of my head, so I think it's definitely common for idols groups to harmonise too, BTS just chose not to do that here for one reason or another. And yes you are absolutely free to judge the reactor for sure and tbh I think even if he delivered a valid point differently there still may have been an issue because critiquing anything BTS does is a no go even from other BTS fans like myself because everyone is ignoring all the other good parts but alas, it is what it is, at least people are feeling something from the reaction and it's getting a conversation going. Thanks
Koko3op
2020-11-02 12:25:13 +0000 UTCBut they don't really follow traditional group structures. "Boy bands" usually aren't seven members or have three rappers with their vocalists or to be honest have choreography attached to every song. In fact, Idol groups usually confuse Western listeners because they ARE different from what we know about "boy bands." It's not mutually exclusive of course but many leave harmonies to backing tracks if they do them at all because usually they are dancing. Doing harmonies the way Western groups usually do isn't as common for Idol groups. I think it comes down to him not knowing how the group performs and his tone makes it sound harsher than what he wants to convey. I think you can wish for a group to do something that you like but I think the way he's expressing it makes it sound like his way is the only way and they are doing it wrong. Not his intention I'm sure but as he judges the group by what HE sees, so do WE as viewers of the reaction.
trista hall
2020-11-02 12:15:57 +0000 UTCYeah, I couldn’t finish that. I think I’ll stick to watching Ola’s reactions on YouTube. Thanks for sharing BTS with your friends.
Podcast Fandom Premium
2020-11-02 03:53:07 +0000 UTCAre people really saying they harmonize more on B-side tracks because that is simply not true. I became a patron for this, but now I’m nervous. *sigh; clicks play*
Podcast Fandom Premium
2020-11-02 03:29:44 +0000 UTCYeah of course, I get that, you don’t sound like an asshole at all. Unfortunately it’s hard to police someone’s tone when they’re reacting because you want to keep it authentic. Sometimes they may come across a bit brash but then at least you know they’re staying true to who they are because in the midst of their delivery they’re opinion is what’s of value at that time. It’s a fine line really because if it was too positive all the way through it would be authentic and not everyone expresses their critics the “right way” because to them, it’s their opinion we are recording which is fair lol, perhaps they can further expand their statements In the future reactions if proven wrong. I appreciate your words though.
Koko3op
2020-11-01 02:12:18 +0000 UTCThanks for the reaction! After watching the video, I understand the disclaimer about harmonies before watching. I understand his point of view, and I know it doesn't come from a bad place of trying to be mean or being ill intentioned. It's clear he enjoys BTS. Personally, and I think this may apply to others, his opinion wasn't an issue at all, but I was slightly put off, even after reading the explanation, by the way he expresses it. What I mean is he talked as if his opinion was the only option or like he knew better. He did not allow for any other opinion to be valid. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily disagree with the fact that it would have been nice to hear some more harmonies, but I think people might have reacted differently if he had just said that this was his personal point of view. I hope I don't sound like an asshole, and I know it's difficult to read tone in an online comment, but I'm just trying to point out a small thing. I'm also not defending, in any way, people who have been rude, disrespectful or straight up hateful. Some fans take things way too far online and it really turns people off and takes away from possible discussions.
Cat L
2020-11-01 02:04:50 +0000 UTCIf a reactor underestimates a group because of a performance then it's not the reactors fault because they're judging based on what they are being shown and most casual listeners will not assume anything else. Why not showcase the best of their skills in THIS particular performance and re-introduce harmonies seeing as they ARE capable of it and there are several members to add nuanced moments here and there, it doesn't need to be a choir. That's Alberts point.
Koko3op
2020-10-31 11:16:10 +0000 UTCI like your honesty, too much fake being thrown around nowadays! I semi agree on the harmony aspect, a part of me wants that little bit more but then the other part likes simple lol 😁
Steph 💛💙
2020-10-30 20:22:24 +0000 UTCAhhh ok, i understand his view more then, I was also thinking that’s what he meant when he talked about harmonies. My bad 💀
Jillian Boyd
2020-10-30 16:48:03 +0000 UTCAlso I think what people are thinking of when harmonies are mentioned is “boyz II men” style where it’s massive vocal moments. He just mean even layerings of harmonies like how Jk harmonised with RM but anyway we’ll see how he feels about the bsides however to me that further highlights the point the that they are capable and in a setting like this it was a missed opportunity to showcase that.
Koko3op
2020-10-30 16:44:08 +0000 UTCAlthough I understand his want for harmonies ( i get that it can make a good song great in some instances). Saying that every group needs to have harmonies is kind of stretching it, and if they don’t have harmonies, the group (in my opinion) is kind of dismissed by him. That’s not to say I don’t notice him also giving positive reviews and I appreciate the honest reactions nonetheless. I’ve just noticed it with other groups as well lowkey. So I kinda agree with the others in the comments. I think it would be best to either show him BTS b-side or just to only show him other groups that constantly have harmonies and such. But I still enjoy the honest reactions by him!!
Jillian Boyd
2020-10-30 16:41:46 +0000 UTCWhile I partly understand where it's coming from, the obsession with the harmonies (or lack thereof) is incredibly strange to me. For starters, BTS have never claimed to be a vocally focused group; their focus has always fallen onto the PERFORMANCE, their choreo being the highlight of many of their songs, especially their title tracks, which are obviously what they perform live most often. They're used to dancing while singing all three of these songs, and therefor used to cutting out the harmonies that are in the actual tracks in order to focus on the dancing. If you want more vocally challenging songs with more harmonies, promo performances aren't going to do it for you. You're going to have to get into b-sides and concert videos to see that they are indeed capable and DO bring the harmonies out when it makes sense in their performances. The vocal line are incredibly talented singers, and I think you might be underestimating them just based on these performances, which don't show their whole potential and abilities. I appreciate how honest you are, though!! Reactions aren't fun when they're sugarcoated and fake, so honesty is important
jordan allison
2020-10-30 02:18:36 +0000 UTCpersonally idc as much as you seem to but its a lil weird to me that they harmonize constantly in concerts etc but not in performances like this! don't know what that's about tbh. keep up your honest reactions!! I like it bc you can tell you're being real when you appreciate something since you don't hold back otherwise :-))
bibi
2020-10-29 23:02:30 +0000 UTCConsidering BTS and other groups follow traditional group structures, it’s a fair critique since a lot of other boygroups do harmonies especially when singing acoustic. There were loads of other positives Albert mentioned also but it wouldn’t be a well rounded authentic reaction if he didn’t voice what he also felt was something missing from his perspective.
Koko3op
2020-10-29 19:35:37 +0000 UTCI got a whole lot to say about this harmony obsession but for now I'm gonna say you're gonna have to get over your traditional view of a boy group (or any group) needing harmony just because there is more than one member.
Paradisemono
2020-10-29 19:16:18 +0000 UTCHaha tell me about it! He really wants those moments and to be frank I honestly have noticed stronger vocal performances live from the rap line when it comes to BTS and that's okay because the vocal line still has good moments. I'll look at those other songs though and will post them on Youtube! Thanks for joining and commenting!
Koko3op
2020-10-24 18:33:54 +0000 UTCreally hung up on the harmonies thing eh? i mean, they do have a lot of songs, like louder than bombs that would scratch that itch too. live though, maybe magic shop? or love myself? have some good harmony moments, but they have a lot of small harmony moments. personally i prefer that they arent constantly adding in layers and layers of harmonies, but i think they obviously have the capacity and skill too. but if ya really like the harmonies i can understand the disappointment when they choose to perform it highlighting the single vocal.
Lex
2020-10-24 18:25:47 +0000 UTC
